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Hi, Don and all!

>>>>> Not giving credit where credit is due will very likely continue
> People who does it on regular schedule is/are LOUSY and BAD people not
> deserving respect (nt mine, indeed). I'd like that someone can change this
> bad trend and these thieves' behaviour.
>
> I must be scanning these Digests too fast because I'm not sure what this is
> about.

Yes. It's a mail I sent some days ago, but that was delayed for some
reasons.

> But I'm guessing it refers to something like a Disney publisher
> somewhere taking articles that appeared in a Gladstone or ZP issue and
> using them without giving credit?

Right!

> I agree with what you say in principal, but just to make sure this is not
> thought of as being as heinous as you suggest... these publishers ARE
> giving credit to the author of the article -- Walt Disney. Anything, and I
> mean *anything* that appears inside a licensed Disney comic is the sole
> property of the Di$ney Company and Disney "shall be deemed its author". I
> wrote a whole series of articles about my "Lo$" for Gladstone for free just
> as a favor to them and to please myself... but I later saw those articles
> translated into other languages

You're right! And... in Italian, too! With some minor changes...

> Yes, I agree that a publisher
> *should* give credit and hire people who either recognize that moral
> obligation or who can write new articles themselves, but to do so is
> behavior above and beyond Disney's interpretation of the copyright law as
> they have described it to their licensees. Using an article out of a Disney
> comic without giving the original writer credit is bad, but not one iota as
> bad as using the full story of a writer and artist who worked much longer
> and harder and still get no credit for all that labor, and that also still
> happens, though it's happening less and less often in an increasingly
> "enlightened" Disney-licensee world.

OK. But this is a different matter. Alberto, Leonardo, myself and Andrea
Sani made the articles published by Gladstone for free, only because we like
that some informations about comics (and about Disney comics in this case)
have a wide circulation. We didn't want any money and we never asked
anything for their reprints. But if a magazine, like "Komix", translates 'em
in another language, and translates things NOT published in Disney comic
books (like our "Blue Book", published by Alessandro Distribuzioni in
Bologna) or takes things from Internet newssgroups (with their authors well
indicated)... Well, what can you say about such guys?

> Anyway, when a Disney licensed publisher in Poland or Brutopia or somewhere
> gives us writers and artists credit for our work, that should be considered
> a really nice gesture, good for them. But when they don't, they can't be
> cursed too much for simply following the letter of the rules that we who do
> work for Disney publications are apparently accepting when we supply our
> creations, however indirectly, to that corporation.

Well, in this case we are not talkin' about Disney. We are talking about a
different publisher which uses articles just published in other books NOT
published by any Disney as well...

> (This sort of discussion always reminds me of the time back in 1986-87 when
> the Gladstone folks were writing an article about me to appear with "The
> Son of the Sun" story -- they had planned to print some panels from my
> "Captain Kentucky" and "Pertwillaby Papers" strips, but realized they
> couldn't because Disney said that they owned *anything* that appeared
> inside a Disney licensed comic.

Well, fortunately, this law doesn't work in Italy, where the Civil Code
introduces a sort of "citation right" (diritto di citazione). For this
reason, the same Disney publications can carry pictures from other sources.
For this reson, for example, in ZP's articles there are Woody Woodpecker's
or Porky Pig's panels, with their own copyrights.

One more thing... I'd like to READ your articles about non-Disney books...
And maybe to translate 'em in Italian, if you agree, for some Italian
publisher who can pay royalties to you for 'em...

Ciao!

L.

Luca Boschi wrote:

> But if a magazine, like "Komix", translates 'em
> in another language, and translates things NOT published in Disney comic
> books (like our "Blue Book", published by Alessandro Distribuzioni in
> Bologna) or takes things from Internet newssgroups (with their authors
well
> indicated)... Well, what can you say about such guys?

Don Rosa wrote:

> Ah, yes, if that's the case, they *are* stealing. A year or two ago I told
> KOMIX they should stop doing that, and maybe that's why they hired their
> new text writer. If that's still going on, it's happening only in the
texts
> that he does not supply.

Like Archontis Pantsios wrote in a previous mail, if you want to write an
article you must have a experience. Carl Barks, Don Rosa, Romano Scarpa and
all the other artists was unknow in Greece until the beginning of Komix'
publication in 1988. There was no articles from 1966 to 1988 about Disney,
the artists and the characters, no interviews, not even credits or a simple
note in each story (apart from the code, maybe).
When Komix started publishing stories, there was not even one text writer
with an experience to those stories. So, they started translating articles
from other magazines (mostly American and Italian). In the middle of 98',
Komix started publishing original articles [like the survey about Don's
hidden Mickeys (ok, I know that all the images from those 2 articles have
been taken from Thomass Lauritsen' page)] and interviews by Don Rosa.
I think that Komix writers have now learned a lot of things about Disney
comics and specially for both Carl's and Don's stories, and they're ready to
write original articles.
So, can we forgive them? I cannot think that they was trying to "steal" the
other writers' work.
Best Wishes and Merry Christmas

P.S. My Hotmail account ( komix43 at hotmail.com ) is not longer exists. Use my
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Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
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From: "Apostolis Trikourakis" <komix at compulink.gr>

> So, can we forgive them?

The day when they'll credit all the stolen works... maybe :-)
That wouldn't be difficult, they'd just need to provide an index for old
articles, giving all due credits.

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)

Hi!

> From: "Apostolis Trikourakis" <komix at compulink.gr>
>
>> So, can we forgive them?
>
> The day when they'll credit all the stolen works... maybe :-)
> That wouldn't be difficult, they'd just need to provide an index for old
> articles, giving all due credits.
>

I totally agree with Francesco. But ONLY when they'll credit all (included
what they did in the past years - and since I think that this is
impossible...).
It wouldn't have been difficult, since those credits were WELL PRINTED in
the original version that they translated. Really strange that they
translated ALL the other stuff and NOT the credits.

Very lousy job.

Luca

Hi all Disney fans !

I just wanted to pick up on Barks the screaming cowboy.
In Sweden it's called
"Den suckande sj?mannen"
The sighing sailor
and the lines are
"Ge mig en grav i det djupgr?na hav
D?r blott b?ljorna lyss till min gr?t"
Give me a grave in the deepgreen sea
Where merely the waves listen to my crying

Now I think it would be fun to know what the title and the lines are in
other countries, don't you ?

Ola in a Stockholm with a blue skye, first time in almost a month now

Greetings,

It's been a while since I've had anything to contribute to the INDUCKS,
but I do have somewhat an update which might be helpful.

I guess I could be pegged as the Disney Comics fan who will go to his
grave trying to get recognition for some of the lesser known or not
recognized minor recurring characters. My favorites seem to be Goofy's
son, Minnie's twin nieces and her dog. Goofy's son, now known best as
Max, has come into his own and garnered his own fan-following as a result
of his revival in the animated series GOOF TROOP and the two theatrical
films A GOOFY MOVIE and AN EXTREMELY GOOFY MOVIE, as well as his role in
the Christmas short on the direct to video MICKEY'SONCE UPON A CHRISTMAS.

Likewise, Fifi, Minnie's Pekingese pup has seen quite a lot of print in
books, calendars and other merchandise of late, so she, too, has received
some noted recognition. The folks at the Disney Stores even seem to know
who she is these days (this wasn't always true).

Finally, Minnie's niece are being given real, even "official" recognition
by the Disney Company! A couple years ago the question of whether or not
Minnie had nieces came up in Disney's "Ask Dave" column in their official
"DISNEY MAGAZINE" (Fall 1999). Dave Smith, Disney's official Archivist,
answered in the affirmative naming Millie & Melody and their singular
appearance in "The Late, Late Show" comic which appeared in the MICKEY
MOUSE ALBUM #1. The question recently came up AGAIN in the Winter 2000/1
same magazine column because a reader questioned the accuracy of Dave's
naming since Disney's Trivia Master, Kevin Neary, who has written several
"official trivia books" for the Disney Company listed their names as
"Melinda & Melody". Dave's reply stated that the forth edition of that
Ultimate Trivia Book misidentified "Melinda" and the true name is "Millie."

And now, as if to increase the recognition of Minnie's nieces, the
Disney Stores have sponsored a set of Collector's Cards & Medallions
called "The Disney Decades Coins" which feature the official debuts of
various characters, studios and films which are part of the Disney legacy.
Yesterday I picked up #48 card and coin which depicts Millie & Melody and
says. "Millie and Melody are the nieces of Minnie Mouse. The perky pair
made their debut in a 1962 comic book story, starring alongside their
world-famous aunt." I found this collector's card to be a bit odd since
there doesn't seem to be any other comicbook characters listed in the set,
which leads me to believe their might be some inside activism to generate
recognition of these twins for a new generation. Oddly enough, Morty &
Ferdie don't have their own card, and Huey, Dewey & Louie are mentioned by
virtue of their involvement in the film "Trick or Treat." It would appear
that, while we mention Millie & Melody, along with various other names as
part of what has been generically called "Minnie's Nieces", the Disney
Company itself seems to recognize "Millie & Melody" as the OFFICIAL names.
Anyone interested can view the card/coin at:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/MnMcard.gif

In Dave Smith's own Disney book "Disney A to Z: The Official Encyclopedia"
he list Minnie's official nieces as "Millicent & Melody."

A NECESSARY FIX for the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. FILE:
Along with this information I thought I should bring up an oversight in
the INDUCKS.

While Millie & Melody's appearance in "The Late, Late Show" [W 01 518-06
& W 01 518-06] is noted in both the HOOZOO and DCML Character files, the
actual INDUCKS does NOT list this appearance which should add them to the
"Appearing Characters!" They, along with Mickey, played a MUCH greater
role than Minnie or Morty & Ferdie in the same comic.

Along these same lines I have a question. When file searching for "Minnie's

Nieces" the two files that do appear are W MM 88-05
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.uk.php/W+MM+++88-05
"Mickey's Close Call"

and S 63003
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.uk.php/S+63003
"Girl Scout Leader."

I am familiar with "Mickey's Close Call" (where the girls are named Pammy
& Tammy), but not with "Girl Scout Leader." If anyone on this mailing list
has any of the books where this story was publish could you please let
me
know if Minnie's nieces are actually "named" in the story, and, if so, what
names were they given?

Also, the DCML lists alternate names as including "Maisie", but I was
wondering if anyone knows the source for that name? The only Maisie I've
seen was listed as one of Mickey's nieces, not Minnie's. I do know that
Egmont lists their official names a Millie & Tillie, which, if they also
use "Melody" would effectively distinguish them from the single niece,
while, here in the USA, the door is still open that the single niece
Melody could be half of a set of twins.
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/melody.html

Thank you,

Rich Bellacera

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