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François Willot
I'll list here the contents of the latest Picsou issue. (As always, I write
down titles by memory so there may be some spelling errors here and there!)

- Christmas pin-up by Don Rosa
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/scans/064D.JPG
- Christmas for Shacktown, by Carl Barks
- Donald's best Christmas, Firestone Christmas Giveaway 1945, very rare,
unpublished in France
- amazing examples of Duck paintings in the style of Bruegel, Klint, Titien
et al. I think they were made by Italian artists working in the school of
Giovan Battista Carpi.
- Don Rosa 2001, illustration by Don Rosa for Chapter 10 bis of The Life of
Scrooge
This story made especially for Picsou will appear next February.
- Aku Ankka cover by Don Rosa with Donald, Panchito and Joe Carioca. I was
told Don's "The 3 Caballeros" will be published in issue 351.
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/scans/fr-pm347-newsLOS.jpg
- Santa Stormy's visit, FCG 1946, by Carl Barks - rare, unpublished in
France
- Three Good Little Ducks, FCG 1947, by Carl Barks, rare, unpublished in
France
- Toyland, FCG 1948, by Carl Barks, rare, unpublished in France
- Donald's New Toys , FCG 1949, by Carl Barks, rare, unpublished in France
- The Runaway Train, WDC 195, ten-pager by Carl Barks
- Al Taliaferro daily strip
- Carl Barks and the Christmas Spirit, one page editorial about Christmas
for Shacktown

Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/search.uk.php
Daniel Van Eijmeren
FABIO BLANCO, 05-12-2000:

> Hey! Remember me? I recently did write... [...]
> Now I wanna know about another adventure, about a little mill
> that expulses salt, and water, and shoes, and... Which $crooge
> adventure is??? Pleez!!!

All I can say is that it's most likely not a Barks story.

In your description you mostly mention keywords. If you want a
story being identified, the chance gets much bigger if you also
try to be more detailed about what *happened* in the story.

Best wishes,

--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
LUCA BOSCHI to PER STARBACK, 04-12-2000:

>> on <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/story/W+OS+356-05> you can
>> see the publications known in the Inducks, which are only three:
>> the original American in Four Color 356 and Swedish and Danish
>> publications in 1959.

> Yes. It's unpublished in Italy. But I think it should be hard to get
> a good b&w proof to use it now!
> Any opinion?

As published in OS 356, the gag is in b/w.
Take a look at: "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg"

Best wishes,

--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ROB KLEIN, 04-12-2000:

> Daniel: Now that I know that Carl himself indicated that the
> Parrot gag may have been his, I feel that it is more likely than
> I thought that it was, indeed by him. But, as you said, we still
> cannot be sure, as his memory for all the more than 7,000 comic
> book pages he drew, even only 10 years after, was not perfect.
> This unsureness is likely to be enhanced in situations where he
> only submitted a gag in word description, as you indicated may
> have been the case in this situation.

I don't understand what you mean with the last sentence. I've never
intentionally indicated that the parrot gag may been submitted in
words description only.

My thoughts about that are rather the contrary, because I imagine(!) it
as a script like the ones Barks made for the Junior Woodchucks. This is
a pure guess, though.

Or do you mean something else?

Best wishes,

--- Daniel
Fernando Ventura
. Here the history: Scrooge, Donald and the nephews
make a picnic on the beach. But the sandwiches have too much salt! Was it? A
little mill who produces salt! Is a mill who produces that we want. Scrooge
say produces gold, silver... and he obtains but problems too. Later he
demands shoes and the mill produces shoes and the crack of shoemaker
industry... Later (I can remember why) Scrooge demand water... and the mill
send Duckburg to deluge...
Over a floating door, the nephews says "produce salt" and kick the mill
again to the sea where he make salted the water for ever...

I remenber this one!!! I will try to find it here, because I don't remenber the comic that has it! But I'm sure it is published here in Brazil! And I'm sure it isn't Barks too, maybe Tony Strobl...

When I find it, I will say!

Fernando!
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 12/09/2000 2:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:

> I don't understand what you mean with the last sentence. I've never
> intentionally indicated that the parrot gag may been submitted in
> words description only.
>
> My thoughts about that are rather the contrary, because I imagine(!) it
> as a script like the ones Barks made for the Junior Woodchucks. This is
> a pure guess, though.

Which is the way that most of Western scripts were done (as well as Harvey -
Harvey even supplied paneled paper for writers to draw on).

Steven Rowe
Mike Pohjola
DON:
> I am not saying exactly *what* bad taste is... that would be impossible to
> determine and we should stop wasting time on the subject... I'm just
> explaining how I see what I do as compared to what *I* think is bad taste.

In a Finnish comics newsgroup there was a trollish person who was
convinced that every other newsgroup reader was a fanatic Rosa fan and
tried to make us understand that Rosa is not the best comics creator there
ever was. He prooved this by informing us that Rosa's engineer humor is
in extremely bad taste (because it's engineer humor). When somebody
compared your work with Herge?s, the person found this (the act of
comparing you two) offensive.

> Sorry. I need to try to write English at least half as well as you
> Europeans.

That's okay. English is a European language, after all ;)

DAN:
> REN AND STIMPY's booger collection into kid's animation programs,

That's a kids' program? I always figured it was meant for college-level
people. (Maybe when they're high, but still.)

FABIO:
> Now I wanna know about another adventure, about a little mill
> that expulses salt, and water, and shoes, and... Which $crooge
> adventure is??? Pleez!!!

I know of one story that almost fits the description. Don Rosa's
recent adventure that was set in Finland. Called "The Quest for
Kalevala" or something like that. But the mill (Sampo) ground salt, flour
and gold.

Mike Pohjola
mikep at iki.fi +358-50-5238399 http://www.iki.fi/mikep
Daniel Van Eijmeren
LUCA BOSCHI, 03-12-2000:

>> Perhaps someone can ask Chase Craig, who (I believe) was Barks
>> editor at that time. But, he is 85 years old, and probably wouldn't
>> be able to remember a single gag submitted 50 years ago

> Maybe. But it seems his memory is quite good. He remembers the most
> important issues about his job at Western. Maybe David can help us
> about?

Even though I don't know if the chance is likely that Chase Craig can
or will be interviewed, I'm thinking of questions which could be asked.

Here's a very rough brainstorm of such questions:

- Does Craig still know details about the relationship between him
(or Western in general) with Barks?

- For "House of Haunts", Barks submitted a synopsis first. Craig asked
Barks to tone it down. (Craig's letter has survived.) Was this synopsis
an exception or did Barks at some point submit synopsis to Western
first before he drew a story?

- What was Western's relation with foreign countries? Is it comparable
with Egmont's role? For example, why did the "blinders" gag (submitted
on 28 February 1957) show up in the Italian "Albi della Rosa" No. 201,
1958, while Western didn't use the gag themselves?

- Does Craig have any recollection of cutting down Barks stories?
Who did the cutting and how was it done? Does he have any recollection
of material which has been cut?

- Does Craig have any recollection of staff people taking some cut art
with them? I think I once read that some of the cut art survived
because of that. (Maybe Craig can give directions in finding people
who may have - or had - some cut art which hasn't surfaced yet?)

- Did Western have a policy of keeping unpublished covers and stories?
Somehow Barks' previously unpublished 1957 milkman story survived,
but his 1952 golden apples ten-pager has vanished. Is this
coincidence or was the golden apples story intentionally destroyed
before a certain policy in keeping unpublished art was introduced?

- I think I've read that Barks and Craig also met in private, after
Barks retirement, for example by going out for a dinner. Does he
have recollections how this relation started? Does Barks and Craig
also meet in private before Barks' retirement? Where Craig and Barks
friends, or was it only a business relationship? (After his
retirement, Barks still worked for Western by submitting covers
and scripts.)

- Does he still have some Barks material (art, letters, photo's, etc.)
which still haven't surfaced in public?

- What's the history of his own career at Western?

Please note that this is just a disorganized brainstorm in thinking of
questions. If someone would manage to contact Craig and decide to use
some of these questions, I would like to polish them by doing some
research first.

Also, if Craig will be interviewed about certain Barks works, I think
it's important that the interviewer can show copies of the mentioned
art to "refresh" his memory.

I'm very curious if others here also have ideas for questions which
could be asked to Chase Craig.

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

(Quiz question: "Mr. Craig" is mentioned in one of Barks' comics.
Which one?)
Fabio Blanco
>In your description you mostly mention keywords. If you want a
>story being identified, the chance gets much bigger if you also
>try to be more detailed about what *happened* in the story.

Yes. O.K., you're right. Here the history: Scrooge, Donald and the nephews
make a picnic on the beach. But the sandwiches have too much salt! Was it? A
little mill who produces salt! Is a mill who produces that we want. Scrooge
say produces gold, silver... and he obtains but problems too. Later he
demands shoes and the mill produces shoes and the crack of shoemaker
industry... Later (I can remember why) Scrooge demand water... and the mill
send Duckburg to deluge...
Over a floating door, the nephews says "produce salt" and kick the mill
again to the sea where he make salted the water for ever...

Hey, with blanks and all I did emotioned trying to remember this... Some of
our duckmembers remember this one... maybe is from Italy or Brazil... I
don't now...

Thanks Everybody
Fabio Blanco
***********************************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
Daniel Van Eijmeren
On 3 December 2000, I wrote:

> An instance where I doubt Barrier is his listing of the submission
> date of Junior Woodchuck story "Hound of the Moaning Hills" (JW 12),
> which would have been submitted on March 3, 1970. [page 122]

In a private email, Harry Fluks suggested to doublecheck the information
with the submission list elsewhere in the book (page 214).

There, "The Hound of the Moaning Hills" is listed as being submitted
on March 3, 1971, which must be the right date.

Best wishes,

--- Daniel
Rob Klein
I have 3 important points to make regarding (1) Barks' submission of gag
ideas; (2) repetition of exact converations on DCML; and (3) The 1920s or
'30s Country and Western novelty song "The Crying Cowboy" as possible
contributor to Barks' inspiration for Donald's "Screaming Cowboy".

It was always my idea that Barks turned in a sketched drawing for all his
idea submissions to Western Publishing. But, I wasn't sure if that were
absolutely ALWAYS the case. Perhaps Mike Barrier, or some other person
with more knowledge of that subject can enlighten us. I apologise to you,
Daniel for misinterpreting your message. I had thought that we do not know
for sure, if he submitted a drawing, or just a text description. If he DID
turn in a drawing and McSavage saw it, McSavage must (in my opinion) have
changed the staging and poses drastically. They do not look at all like
Barks. As Daniel suggested to me in a private message, perhaps a study of
Barks poses and staging from that period (1948-1951) for those particular
emotional requirements and situations would give us insight.

I also apologise for appearing a bit ascerbic over seeing the EXACT SAME
(word for word) discussion in another DCML message. As I noted in that
very message: it is NOT a waste of our time because we now have many new
members who have now been exposed to that information. It is clear that I
am schizophrenic, showing both positive and negative reactions in one
comment. I'm not really as nasty as a few of my comments may sometimes
appear. This list is a great place for us Disney Comics fans to share
great insight and lots of new information - so keep up the good work (and
bear with old humbugs like me!).

Now the fun Part! "The Screaming Cowboy" has long been a favourite theme
for Barks Fans and
Donaldists. As a part-time worker in Germany, lo these many years, I have
been trying for a long time to help The "Hamburger" Donaldists find the
inspiration Barks had for their "Theme Song".

I had an Uncle whose own "Theme Songs" were called "The Crying Cowboy" and
"The Laughing Cowboy". They were recorded on the two sides of a single
American, 10 inch, 78 RPM plastic (or bakelite?) record. He played it once
for me in the early 1950s when I visited him in Chicago, USA.

The record was printed on the OKEH label, and I believe it was released in
the late 1920s or early 1930s (certainly no later than the mid 1930s). It
was a country and western novelty record. A parody of both the typical and
popular "sad" and "happy" cowboy songs of the period. The "Crying Cowboy"
had inane lyrics with a lot of crying, wailing, howling, moaning and
sobbing. The other side was ridiculously happy, with a lot of varient
laughing. Unfortunately, I cannot remember
the Singer's name. And, more unfortunately, by the time my slow mind made
the potential connexion between it and Barks' "Screaming Cowboy", my Uncle
had died - and had been buried WITH THE RECORD!!! He really liked it! I
have since tried to find it, but was never able to even find information on
it. I looked it up in the Schwann Catalogue between 1986 and 1990, but it
was never listed. That was supposed to be the official ist of recorded
music currently available. Perhaps it has since been re-released on a
compilation CD of Western or novelty songs; and thus, will be currently
listed on a computer list (perhaps even available on the internet?). Can
some of our new musically knowledgeable members help us out in our search?

Seasonal Greetings to all our members, Rob Klein

Sinterklaasje bonne-bonne-bonne,
gooi wat in de lege lege tonne,
gooi wat in de huizen,
dan grabbelen wij als muizen!
Timo Ronkainen
Hi!

Next issue of Finnish comics fanzine Sarjainfo will have in it´s centerfold
four Rosa´s "EC" covers, those he drew during San Diego Con.
(check: http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/ecrosa.html)
They will be printed first time ever in Sarjainfo. It will come out january
2001.
Anyone interested can ask about it directly from Sarjainfo´s editor in chief
Ville Hanninen: ville.hanninen at helsinki.fi

Timo Ronkainen

.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"

timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
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http://members.nbci.com/timoro/pamaus

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Eta Beta
FABIO, FERNANDO

>Scrooge, Donald and the nephews
>make a picnic on the beach. But the sandwiches have too much salt! Was it? A
>little mill who produces salt! Is a mill who produces that we want.

S 69003 The Enchanted Mill

Indeed by Tony Strobl, it was published in Italy in "Topolino" #741,
february 1970

Cheers

Eta Beta
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Luca Boschi
Hi, Daniel!

> LUCA BOSCHI, 03-12-2000:
>
>>> Perhaps someone can ask Chase Craig, who (I believe) was Barks
>>> editor at that time. But, he is 85 years old,

Mistake. He is 90, now... Hmmm...

> Here's a very rough brainstorm of such questions:

Interesting. It seems that he was not able to remember so muche, indeed,
according with Alberto, who wrote him, and received onli "general" answers.
>

> - Does Craig have any recollection of cutting down Barks stories?
> Who did the cutting and how was it done? Does he have any recollection
> of material which has been cut?

This is very interesting...

> - What's the history of his own career at Western?

An answer to this question can be suitable for him, at least!

> Also, if Craig will be interviewed about certain Barks works, I think
> it's important that the interviewer can show copies of the mentioned
> art to "refresh" his memory.

Yep! Ciao!

L.
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