One of the differences between the characters who populate Duckburg and on the other side Mickey is that the stories of the first ones are more oriented towards the personalities, the stories of Mickey are more focused on the intrigues (in general).
Here are some (not exhaustives) considerations about three Mickey's buddies: Floyd Gottfredson, Romano Scarpa, Paul Murry:
Romano Scarpa and the Gottfredson alchemy: the Scarpa's story called 'l'ongle de Kali - Topolino e l'unghia di Kali 1958 - takes its roots from the phantom blot story: a mysterious villain steals a certain kind of records whereas in Gottfredson this is cameras; but the story of Scarpa pushes the envelope further by introducing some different elements: in 'Kali' the villain is already present at the very beginnning of the story and we already know his identity; this is not the case in the phantom blot where the villain is unmasked only at the end of the story; an another story which is inspired by Gottfredson is 'Mickey et la dimension Delata - Topolino e la dimensione Delta 1959 - the story is reminiscent of 'L'?le volante aka Island in the sky' where we first meet Pr Mirandus alias Einmug alias Pr E.nigme, but the plot is different here; in fact the first half of the story is one of the best mysteries which has been written for Mickey; the second part (once the solution has been given away) is more conventional; the talent of Scarpa is to have created, in the first part of the story, an outstanding mystery by multiplicating the fake issues cleverly.
2 - 'Back to the past': treatment of time in 'Mickey empereur de Calidornie - Topolino imperatore della Calidornia 1961 - : an another important (and ambitious) story of Scarpa is 'Mickey empereur de Calidornie' - Topolino imperatore della Calidornia: this story plays with the impossibility of a character to be what he seems to be (a perfect double, an accurate image of the infamous Kid Mickey) for many reasons: it can't be more than one Kid Mickey in the present in the town called 'Phantom-Ville' (curiously the name of the city is not Mickeyville -Mousetown - but Phantomville in the french translation of the story published in 1966 in Mickey Parade 723 bis); secondly the double of Kid Mickey is too perfect, even wearing the same three old beard than the original; the time in this story is structured in three parts: the first part takes place in 1880: this is the part of what has already been done, the nostalgia page of a past event; the part of the present is the part of the introspection: the investigation lead by the main characters (Mickey and Atominus aka Atomiinus) is going to re-build the past (but imperfectly)of what has already been done: this is the part of awareness of the past due to the events which take place; the third part: at the end of the story the time is lived by the protagonists in its rapidity (the burlesque end of the story when Mickey has just a few moments to live as an emperor of Calidornie); the the time is precious and assimilated to a rapid pace in the center of the city with its clock of the church town in the style of the 'Back to the future' movie; Scarpa drew very well the atmosphere of this middle town at night; the story ends as it began : Mickey burst out of joy when he knows he is emperor of Calidornia; all that lead to the main issue of the story, the central question in fact, the masked core of the plot, unexplained at the end: a touch of family? So since the beginning, due to many elements, there has always been a doubt about the fact of knowing whether Mickey really is a descendant of Kid Mickey; some points are not clear in the plot (only in the french translation? I don't think so); we don't exactly know if when Chief O'Hara spread the rumor that Mickey is a late member from the Kid Mickey's family tree, all the friends of Mickey (except for Goofy, but Goofy doesn't play an important part in this story, as bizarrely in many important Scarpa's stories: Topolino e la collona chirikawa, Delta, Calidornia, in these three stories the real friend of Mickey is Atomiinus) reject him by feigning or if they sincerely think he is a real descendant of Kid - paranoia is a key element of the story, previously to this scene there was an another one where Mickey is identified by some witnesses as the real Kid and putting in jail by Chief O'Hara who think he is really guilty.
One word about Paul Murry for concluding: i read a few stories of him, his stories are worthing being read (one of my favorites is The marvelous magnet 1955); here this is a different Mickey, sweeter with his astonished eyes, assisted by the inseparable Goofy; that's all folks.
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Jeanmarcbano
Mickey's buddies
Message 16 -
2004-05-07 at 15:20:36
Jeanmarcbano
The frontiers of Duckburg
Message 17 -
2004-05-07 at 15:29:43
About the debate Kangaroonie or Australia: I think we can consider the name of the cities or countries outside the frontiers of Duckburg like 'sign-posts'.
Eta Beta
Hall of Fame: Romano Scarpa
Message 18 -
2004-05-07 at 15:50:36
HARRY
>> > the second story is about first meeting of Mickey & Pete
>>
>> This one, however, I guess is meant as their first meeting in
>> a Scarpa story, since Pete is one of the oldest characters in
>> the Disney universe, dating back from 1930...
>>
>> I'd say it would then be
>>
>> The Mystery of Tapiocus VI (I TL 142-A +)
>
>My guess is that it's the Chirikawa necklace story, since it involves a
>flashback about Mickey and Pete in their youth.
You might be right, sure.
>Also a very good story!
I'd say it's even better than the Tapiocus story, indeed one of
Scarpa's best!
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>> > the second story is about first meeting of Mickey & Pete
>>
>> This one, however, I guess is meant as their first meeting in
>> a Scarpa story, since Pete is one of the oldest characters in
>> the Disney universe, dating back from 1930...
>>
>> I'd say it would then be
>>
>> The Mystery of Tapiocus VI (I TL 142-A +)
>
>My guess is that it's the Chirikawa necklace story, since it involves a
>flashback about Mickey and Pete in their youth.
You might be right, sure.
>Also a very good story!
I'd say it's even better than the Tapiocus story, indeed one of
Scarpa's best!
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Lars Jensen
Hall of Fame: Romano Scarpa
Message 19 -
2004-05-07 at 16:13:03
Eta Beta wrote:
> Pete is one of the oldest characters in the Disney universe, dating
> back from 1930...
Pete debuted in 1925.
Lars
> Pete is one of the oldest characters in the Disney universe, dating
> back from 1930...
Pete debuted in 1925.
Lars
Daniel Vasset Haugsbø
DCML Digest, Vol 15, Issue 7 - Scandinavian Tour
Message 20 -
2004-05-07 at 17:13:02
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote:
> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
Fra: "Don Rosa"
Tema: RE: DCML Digest Issue 6
Dato: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:05:26 -0400
Til:
> From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
You're not sure?
Hehe, it is supposed to be a "?" a norwgian letter, it has always shown as a "?" in my name here at the DCML.
> Subject: Scandinavian Tour
> Hello Don.
> I know that your trip to Norway will be to the Raptus festival in
> Bergen, but the Scandinavian tour, what is that?
> Do you know where you will appear during those days?
It's a "whirlwind" tour since I will have just returned from 10+ days in
Brazil and I need to get back and try to someday finish this Caballeros
story.... I can't spend a leisurely 2 weeks on tour or anything. I know
where I probably will be according to the current plan:
6/4 -- Arhus
6/5 -- Malmoe
6/6 -- Copenhagen
6/7 -- Stockholm
6/8-9 -- Oslo
Ok, thanks for the information.
Unfortunatly I`ll be at school when you are visiting Oslo, but I hope to make it to Bergen in October.
Best wishes
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?,Norway
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> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
Fra: "Don Rosa"
Tema: RE: DCML Digest Issue 6
Dato: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:05:26 -0400
Til:
> From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
You're not sure?
Hehe, it is supposed to be a "?" a norwgian letter, it has always shown as a "?" in my name here at the DCML.
> Subject: Scandinavian Tour
> Hello Don.
> I know that your trip to Norway will be to the Raptus festival in
> Bergen, but the Scandinavian tour, what is that?
> Do you know where you will appear during those days?
It's a "whirlwind" tour since I will have just returned from 10+ days in
Brazil and I need to get back and try to someday finish this Caballeros
story.... I can't spend a leisurely 2 weeks on tour or anything. I know
where I probably will be according to the current plan:
6/4 -- Arhus
6/5 -- Malmoe
6/6 -- Copenhagen
6/7 -- Stockholm
6/8-9 -- Oslo
Ok, thanks for the information.
Unfortunatly I`ll be at school when you are visiting Oslo, but I hope to make it to Bergen in October.
Best wishes
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?,Norway
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Chris Hilbig
Pencils and Pens
Message 21 -
2004-05-08 at 08:46:01
Derek,
I myself am an illustrator/comic artist, who's more or less at the
amateur level. The bulk of my work can be seen at partianimals.com. (A
first of many plugs :P) What type of tools you use depend mainly on
your preference and comfort level with whatever tools, paper, etc you
use.
For comic book pages I use a generic looking mechanical pencil
containing 0.5 mm HB lead for my pencils. When I ink, I use a variety
of tools. I prefer using a sable brush for much of the organic lines on
the page. I'll trade off between a Rapha?l 8408, Windsor and Newton
Series 7, or a Dick Blick Master Sable brush. I find the Rapha?l the
best of the three because of its price and performance. I also stress
that not all sable brushes are equal, so unless you find a cheap $2 US
brush that does a hell of a job and doesn't drive you crazy with
splitting hairs, you'll normally find the more expensive brushes, such
as the Series 7 ($9.58 US) brush or the Rapha?l 8408 ($7.38 US) will
consistently serve you better. That's just something you'll have to
experiment with and find out. Another note, sable brushes are a pain to
clean and take care of. Stuff like india ink and acrylic paint will do
a serious number on your brushes if you're not careful. Always
clean/rinse your brush out before the ink dries. And when you're done
for the day, clean your brush with a little soap and water. I recommend
"the Masters" Brush Cleaner and Preserver, it does the best job out of
all of the other brush soaps/cleaners that I've tried. On another
message board (http://www.wetcanvas.com/), I've read that Johnson's
baby shampoo will do the trick and without the residue. I haven't tried
this yet, but it'll be interesting to see if it works as well as "the
Masters". I also use Speedball dip/crow quill pens, which are easier
to master. You can buy the the sets or individual nibs and holders. The
tips I use are #'s 102 and 107. The 107 is a stiffer nib, but both will
give you a good variety of line widths. For straight lines I'll use a
Koh-I-noor Rapidograph. Although Rapidographs are pretty pricey,
Stratford or whoever owns Koh-I-Noor has made a more affordable line of
Rapidographs that doesn't have much difference, other than who they're
marketed to and the number of widths the cheaper line offers. The india
ink I use is Dr. Ph. Martin's Bombay Black. Not too thick and not too
thin. I'm not completely happy with Bombay, but it does the job. India
ink is also a subjective topic with many variables to consider,
blackness, resistance to erasing, thickness, etc. Other artists I've
read about or known also use markers such as Sakura Pigma Micron and/or
Sharpies. I've also heard about brush markers in use here in the US and
Asia. Eventhough markers are extremely convenient, I have found them to
bleed and fade into a gray after erasing. For corrections, I use
Liquitex concentrated acrylic white with a brush and Zebra white out
pen. As far as paper goes I use 3-ply 11x17 inch art/bristol board. 11
x 17, with a 10 x15 drawing area is the standard in the US for
companies like Marvel, Image and DC. In Europe and Asia they use
different sizes, I don't particularly know what they are, but I do know
Egmont (ECN) uses a much larger size page. I recommend checking out the
different offerings at BlueLinePro.com. Their boards are in both
standard and custom sizes. They are also pre-printed with non-photo
blue guides.
Most of what I've describe above can be obtain at your local arts and
crafts store or online at dickblick.com, texasart.com, misterart.com,
and BlueLinePro.com. I also recommend magazines such as Draw!
(drawmagazine.com) and Sketch (BlueLinePro.com). These mags are geared
to comic book artists and illustrators and have all sorts of great
information. I also recommend checking out the "Introduc(k)tion to Don
Rosa" http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/drinfo.html. If you scroll down
a little over half way, you'll find some interesting tid-bits as to
what type of materials Don Rosa uses.
Now if you feel really bold (or stretched for time when working or
whatever your excuse) and know your way around a Mac or PC, you can
take the digital route. For my online comic strips, I quickly sketch
them in pencil, and scan them at 300 dpi (I use a great i'll program
called VueScan http://www.hamrick.com/index.html). You can scan at 72
dpi, but 300 dpi works best if you wish to see your work in print. You
can always scale it down. :) Then I'll ink, letter, and color in either
Corel Painter (corel.com) or Creature House Expression
(http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/). MS recently bought out
Creature House and has released the Mac version as freeware. MS from
what I understand plans to release Expression for Windows as was before
the buyout, but MS seems to be taking its good sweet time. You may have
to look around the web to purchase a copy of Expression 3 for Windows.
None the less it's an amazing illustration program. I like it a lot. In
both Painter and Expression, I ink and color with a 6 x 8 Wacom Intuos
graphics tablet.
Anyways, I hope this helps.
Chris Hilbig
I myself am an illustrator/comic artist, who's more or less at the
amateur level. The bulk of my work can be seen at partianimals.com. (A
first of many plugs :P) What type of tools you use depend mainly on
your preference and comfort level with whatever tools, paper, etc you
use.
For comic book pages I use a generic looking mechanical pencil
containing 0.5 mm HB lead for my pencils. When I ink, I use a variety
of tools. I prefer using a sable brush for much of the organic lines on
the page. I'll trade off between a Rapha?l 8408, Windsor and Newton
Series 7, or a Dick Blick Master Sable brush. I find the Rapha?l the
best of the three because of its price and performance. I also stress
that not all sable brushes are equal, so unless you find a cheap $2 US
brush that does a hell of a job and doesn't drive you crazy with
splitting hairs, you'll normally find the more expensive brushes, such
as the Series 7 ($9.58 US) brush or the Rapha?l 8408 ($7.38 US) will
consistently serve you better. That's just something you'll have to
experiment with and find out. Another note, sable brushes are a pain to
clean and take care of. Stuff like india ink and acrylic paint will do
a serious number on your brushes if you're not careful. Always
clean/rinse your brush out before the ink dries. And when you're done
for the day, clean your brush with a little soap and water. I recommend
"the Masters" Brush Cleaner and Preserver, it does the best job out of
all of the other brush soaps/cleaners that I've tried. On another
message board (http://www.wetcanvas.com/), I've read that Johnson's
baby shampoo will do the trick and without the residue. I haven't tried
this yet, but it'll be interesting to see if it works as well as "the
Masters". I also use Speedball dip/crow quill pens, which are easier
to master. You can buy the the sets or individual nibs and holders. The
tips I use are #'s 102 and 107. The 107 is a stiffer nib, but both will
give you a good variety of line widths. For straight lines I'll use a
Koh-I-noor Rapidograph. Although Rapidographs are pretty pricey,
Stratford or whoever owns Koh-I-Noor has made a more affordable line of
Rapidographs that doesn't have much difference, other than who they're
marketed to and the number of widths the cheaper line offers. The india
ink I use is Dr. Ph. Martin's Bombay Black. Not too thick and not too
thin. I'm not completely happy with Bombay, but it does the job. India
ink is also a subjective topic with many variables to consider,
blackness, resistance to erasing, thickness, etc. Other artists I've
read about or known also use markers such as Sakura Pigma Micron and/or
Sharpies. I've also heard about brush markers in use here in the US and
Asia. Eventhough markers are extremely convenient, I have found them to
bleed and fade into a gray after erasing. For corrections, I use
Liquitex concentrated acrylic white with a brush and Zebra white out
pen. As far as paper goes I use 3-ply 11x17 inch art/bristol board. 11
x 17, with a 10 x15 drawing area is the standard in the US for
companies like Marvel, Image and DC. In Europe and Asia they use
different sizes, I don't particularly know what they are, but I do know
Egmont (ECN) uses a much larger size page. I recommend checking out the
different offerings at BlueLinePro.com. Their boards are in both
standard and custom sizes. They are also pre-printed with non-photo
blue guides.
Most of what I've describe above can be obtain at your local arts and
crafts store or online at dickblick.com, texasart.com, misterart.com,
and BlueLinePro.com. I also recommend magazines such as Draw!
(drawmagazine.com) and Sketch (BlueLinePro.com). These mags are geared
to comic book artists and illustrators and have all sorts of great
information. I also recommend checking out the "Introduc(k)tion to Don
Rosa" http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/drinfo.html. If you scroll down
a little over half way, you'll find some interesting tid-bits as to
what type of materials Don Rosa uses.
Now if you feel really bold (or stretched for time when working or
whatever your excuse) and know your way around a Mac or PC, you can
take the digital route. For my online comic strips, I quickly sketch
them in pencil, and scan them at 300 dpi (I use a great i'll program
called VueScan http://www.hamrick.com/index.html). You can scan at 72
dpi, but 300 dpi works best if you wish to see your work in print. You
can always scale it down. :) Then I'll ink, letter, and color in either
Corel Painter (corel.com) or Creature House Expression
(http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/). MS recently bought out
Creature House and has released the Mac version as freeware. MS from
what I understand plans to release Expression for Windows as was before
the buyout, but MS seems to be taking its good sweet time. You may have
to look around the web to purchase a copy of Expression 3 for Windows.
None the less it's an amazing illustration program. I like it a lot. In
both Painter and Expression, I ink and color with a 6 x 8 Wacom Intuos
graphics tablet.
Anyways, I hope this helps.
Chris Hilbig
Eta Beta
Gratuitously pedantic remarks
Message 22 -
2004-05-08 at 10:00:39
Lars Jensen wrote:
>Eta Beta wrote:
>
>> Pete is one of the oldest characters in the Disney universe, dating
>> back from 1930...
>
>Pete debuted in 1925.
There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>Eta Beta wrote:
>
>> Pete is one of the oldest characters in the Disney universe, dating
>> back from 1930...
>
>Pete debuted in 1925.
There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Stefan Persson
Gratuitously pedantic remarks
Message 23 -
2004-05-08 at 11:11:28
Eta Beta wrote:
>>Pete debuted in 1925.
>
> There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
There was such a thing as Disney movies in 1925.
Stefan
>>Pete debuted in 1925.
>
> There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
There was such a thing as Disney movies in 1925.
Stefan
Jeanmarcbano
Gratuitously pedantic remarks
Message 24 -
2004-05-08 at 13:07:17
Lars Jensen is right, the first apparition of Pete is in the movie 'Alice solves the puzzle' dated february the 15th, 1925.
Jakob Blaavand
DCML Digest, Vol 15, Issue 7 - Scandinavian Tour
Message 25 -
2004-05-08 at 13:08:50
Could you be more specific about your program? I.e. which places you will be
visiting in the current cities.
Mostly I?m most interested in you ?rhus-program, but I think all
Scandinavians on the list would like to see, where we can meet our favourite
storyteller
Best Regards
Jakob Blaavand
_____
From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb? [mailto:danielvvhh at yahoo.com]
Sent: 7. maj 2004 16:13
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se; donrosa at iglou.com
Subject: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 15, Issue 7 - Scandinavian Tour
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote:
> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
Fra: "Don Rosa"
Tema: RE: DCML Digest Issue 6
Dato: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:05:26 -0400
Til:
> From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
You're not sure?
Hehe, it is supposed to be a "?" a norwgian letter, it has always shown as a
"?" in my name here at the DCML.
> Subject: Scandinavian Tour
> Hello Don.
> I know that your trip to Norway will be to the Raptus festival in
> Bergen, but the Scandinavian tour, what is that?
> Do you know where you will appear during those days?
It's a "whirlwind" tour since I will have just returned from 10+ days in
Brazil and I need to get back and try to someday finish this Caballeros
story.... I can't spend a leisurely 2 weeks on tour or anything. I know
where I probably will be according to the current plan:
6/4 -- Arhus
6/5 -- Malmoe
6/6 -- Copenhagen
6/7 -- Stockholm
6/8-9 -- Oslo
Ok, thanks for the information.
Unfortunatly I`ll be at school when you are visiting Oslo, but I hope to
make it to Bergen in October.
Best wishes
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?,Norway
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visiting in the current cities.
Mostly I?m most interested in you ?rhus-program, but I think all
Scandinavians on the list would like to see, where we can meet our favourite
storyteller
Best Regards
Jakob Blaavand
_____
From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb? [mailto:danielvvhh at yahoo.com]
Sent: 7. maj 2004 16:13
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se; donrosa at iglou.com
Subject: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 15, Issue 7 - Scandinavian Tour
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote:
> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
Fra: "Don Rosa"
Tema: RE: DCML Digest Issue 6
Dato: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:05:26 -0400
Til:
> From: Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
You're not sure?
Hehe, it is supposed to be a "?" a norwgian letter, it has always shown as a
"?" in my name here at the DCML.
> Subject: Scandinavian Tour
> Hello Don.
> I know that your trip to Norway will be to the Raptus festival in
> Bergen, but the Scandinavian tour, what is that?
> Do you know where you will appear during those days?
It's a "whirlwind" tour since I will have just returned from 10+ days in
Brazil and I need to get back and try to someday finish this Caballeros
story.... I can't spend a leisurely 2 weeks on tour or anything. I know
where I probably will be according to the current plan:
6/4 -- Arhus
6/5 -- Malmoe
6/6 -- Copenhagen
6/7 -- Stockholm
6/8-9 -- Oslo
Ok, thanks for the information.
Unfortunatly I`ll be at school when you are visiting Oslo, but I hope to
make it to Bergen in October.
Best wishes
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?,Norway
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Søren Krarup Olesen
Gratuitously pedantic remarks
Message 26 -
2004-05-08 at 15:59:23
LARS + ETA BETA + STEFAN:
>>> Pete debuted in 1925.
>>
>>
>> There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
>
>
> There was such a thing as Disney movies in 1925.
Perhaps so, but that conversation was about appearing in Disney comics
for the first time. Even if Pete had shown up in the Bayeux Tapestry it
wouldn't have made a difference :-)
S?ren
>>> Pete debuted in 1925.
>>
>>
>> There was no such thing as Disney comics in 1925.
>
>
> There was such a thing as Disney movies in 1925.
Perhaps so, but that conversation was about appearing in Disney comics
for the first time. Even if Pete had shown up in the Bayeux Tapestry it
wouldn't have made a difference :-)
S?ren
Eta Beta
To Pete or not to Pete
Message 27 -
2004-05-08 at 16:10:39
Now, guys...
>Lars Jensen is right, the first apparition of Pete is in the movie 'Alice
>solves the puzzle' dated february the 15th, 1925.
Point 1, we're talking comics here, not movies.
Point 2, the black cat appearing in the Alice Comedies being Pete
is an assumption, not a fact, to the best of my knowledge, and
I have recently researched the matter for an article on Pete I
wrote for the Italian magazine IF.
I concede, however, that I might be wrong on that, so please can
anybody bring proof of that cat's Peteness ?
To bring all this back to a lighter mood, please allow me
to repost something that some of you might have already seen
elsewhere...
How many DCML List members does it take to change a lightbulb?
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs, and discuss how
the light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
1 to move the discussion to the Lighting list.
2 to argue then move it to the Electricals list.
7 to point out spelling and grammar errors in posts about changing light
bulbs.
5 to flame the spell-checkers.
3 to correct the spelling and grammar flames.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... and another
6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".
15 know-it-alls who claim that they were in the industry, too, and that
"light bulb" is perfectly correct.
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs, and people should
please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum.
11 to defend the posting to this forum, saying that we all use light
bulbs, and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs works best for this
technique, and what brands are faulty.
7 to post URLs where one can see examples of various light bulbs.
4 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and then to post the
corrected URLs.
3 to post about links they found from those URLs that are relevant to
this group, which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety, including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot
handle the light-bulb controversy.
4 to say, "Didn't we go through this already, a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions
about light bulbs".
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and
start it all over again.
:-)
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>Lars Jensen is right, the first apparition of Pete is in the movie 'Alice
>solves the puzzle' dated february the 15th, 1925.
Point 1, we're talking comics here, not movies.
Point 2, the black cat appearing in the Alice Comedies being Pete
is an assumption, not a fact, to the best of my knowledge, and
I have recently researched the matter for an article on Pete I
wrote for the Italian magazine IF.
I concede, however, that I might be wrong on that, so please can
anybody bring proof of that cat's Peteness ?
To bring all this back to a lighter mood, please allow me
to repost something that some of you might have already seen
elsewhere...
How many DCML List members does it take to change a lightbulb?
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs, and discuss how
the light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
1 to move the discussion to the Lighting list.
2 to argue then move it to the Electricals list.
7 to point out spelling and grammar errors in posts about changing light
bulbs.
5 to flame the spell-checkers.
3 to correct the spelling and grammar flames.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... and another
6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".
15 know-it-alls who claim that they were in the industry, too, and that
"light bulb" is perfectly correct.
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs, and people should
please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum.
11 to defend the posting to this forum, saying that we all use light
bulbs, and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs works best for this
technique, and what brands are faulty.
7 to post URLs where one can see examples of various light bulbs.
4 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and then to post the
corrected URLs.
3 to post about links they found from those URLs that are relevant to
this group, which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety, including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot
handle the light-bulb controversy.
4 to say, "Didn't we go through this already, a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions
about light bulbs".
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and
start it all over again.
:-)
Cheers!
Eta Beta
David Gerstein
To Pete or not to Pete
Message 28 -
2004-05-08 at 20:00:51
Dear Eta,
"Point 2, the black cat appearing in the Alice Comedies being Pete is
an assumption, not a fact, to the best of my knowledge, and I have
recently researched the matter for an article on Pete I wrote for the
Italian magazine IF.
I concede, however, that I might be wrong on that, so please can
anybody bring proof of that cat's Peteness?"
Yikes! Eta, I think you were looking at the wrong animal for Pete...
Pete isn't the cat in the Alice Comedies. That cat (Alice's best
friend, looking a lot like Felix) is named Julius, and his name is
given in many of the Alice cartoons I've seen.
Pete is the BEAR in the Alice Comedies and later the Oswald cartoons.
He is first called Bootleg Pete in ALICE SOLVES THE PUZZLE, but later
gets other names like Putrid Pete, and Pegleg Pete. In these early days
he's a little thinner than later, and his pegleg is a little longer.
Pete appeared in the Oswald series after Alice ended, and in Oswald,
Pete began to get fatter and wear more clothes. Finally he turns from a
bear into a cat (by virtue of his nose and ears getting shorter) when
the Mickey series begins.
Interestingly, when Mintz and then Walter Lantz made Oswald cartoons
after Disney, they continued to use the bear version of Pete as
Oswald's enemy!
Best, David
"Point 2, the black cat appearing in the Alice Comedies being Pete is
an assumption, not a fact, to the best of my knowledge, and I have
recently researched the matter for an article on Pete I wrote for the
Italian magazine IF.
I concede, however, that I might be wrong on that, so please can
anybody bring proof of that cat's Peteness?"
Yikes! Eta, I think you were looking at the wrong animal for Pete...
Pete isn't the cat in the Alice Comedies. That cat (Alice's best
friend, looking a lot like Felix) is named Julius, and his name is
given in many of the Alice cartoons I've seen.
Pete is the BEAR in the Alice Comedies and later the Oswald cartoons.
He is first called Bootleg Pete in ALICE SOLVES THE PUZZLE, but later
gets other names like Putrid Pete, and Pegleg Pete. In these early days
he's a little thinner than later, and his pegleg is a little longer.
Pete appeared in the Oswald series after Alice ended, and in Oswald,
Pete began to get fatter and wear more clothes. Finally he turns from a
bear into a cat (by virtue of his nose and ears getting shorter) when
the Mickey series begins.
Interestingly, when Mintz and then Walter Lantz made Oswald cartoons
after Disney, they continued to use the bear version of Pete as
Oswald's enemy!
Best, David
Eta Beta
To Pete or not to Pete
Message 29 -
2004-05-08 at 21:41:26
DAVE
>Yikes! Eta, I think you were looking at the wrong animal for Pete...
Clearly my researches weren't as thorough as I had thought, indeed
I have only seen still frames from the Alice Comedies, and I stand
corrected!
Cannot quote sources right now, but I remember reading somewhere
that, although the basic idea of a peg-legged baddie derived from
those early cartoons, it would be pushing things a bit to say that
it was indeed "our" Pete...
So, we can say that it is historically true and estabilished that
the early bear and the later cat are indeed the same character,
weird as it may sound ?
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>Yikes! Eta, I think you were looking at the wrong animal for Pete...
Clearly my researches weren't as thorough as I had thought, indeed
I have only seen still frames from the Alice Comedies, and I stand
corrected!
Cannot quote sources right now, but I remember reading somewhere
that, although the basic idea of a peg-legged baddie derived from
those early cartoons, it would be pushing things a bit to say that
it was indeed "our" Pete...
So, we can say that it is historically true and estabilished that
the early bear and the later cat are indeed the same character,
weird as it may sound ?
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Shad Z.
Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 3 (April 2004)
Message 30 -
2004-05-09 at 09:26:59
Once again, the contents of the latest Disney Adventures (well, I'm late, the May issue may be out now...)
Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 3 (April 2004)
1) No Code, 1 page, 3-tiers, The Last Laugh: "Three New Ways to say 'Hello!'"
Written by John Green. Art by Ryan Dunlavey.
NOTe: This episode of "The Last Laugh" appears on the first page of the magazine, and is called "The First Laugh"
2) no story code, 3 pages, 3-tiers, Spy Kids: "Metal Menace!"
No story credits. Art by Christine Norrie.
"Spy Kids" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Miramax Film Corp.
3) JZ825, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Finding Nemo: "Massage in a Booble!"
Written by John Green. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Letters by Michael Stewart.
Characters include Nemo, Dory, Pearl, Tad, Sheldon and Mr. Ray.
4) JZ826, 6 pages, 3-tiers, Pirates of the Caribbean: "Open Sesame!"
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Bret Blevins. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Felix Serrano.
Characters include Jack Sparrow and Will Turner.
5) JZ796, 4 pages, 3-tiers, Freaky Friday: "Freaky Ferret Fun!"
Story by Sheryl Scarborough and Kayte Kuch. Pencils by Christine Norrie. Inks by Mike DeCarlo. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Hi-Fi Studios.
Characters include Anna Coleman, Tess Coleman, Ryan, Maddie and Peg.
6) No code, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Lilo & Stitch: "On the Fence!"
No writing credit. Art by Disney Academia. Letters by John Green.
Characters include Lilo, Stitch and Myrtle.
7) JZ827, 2 pages, 1-tier, The Last Laugh: "Solve the Case of the Missing Bananas"
Written by John Green. Art by Dave Clegg.
NOTe: This episode of "The Last Laugh" appears in the centerfold of the magazine, and is called "The Middle Laugh"
8) JZ828, 4 pages, 3-tiers, Kim Possible: "Mummy Matters!"
Story by Landry Quinn Walker and Eric Jones. Pencils by Dan Gracey. Inks by Mike DeCarlo. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by John Green.
Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Rufus and Dr. Drakken.
9) JZ829, 4 pages, Kid Gravity: "Doomball!"
Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Gary Black.
Characters include Kid Gravity, Kid Apocalypse, Penny Galactica, Jetboy, Jetgirl, the unnamed Zargian and the robot teacher.
10) JZ830, 1 page, 3-tiers, Gorilla Gorilla: no title
Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar.
Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard.
11) JZ833, 2 pages, Home on the Range: "When the Music Mooooves You!"
Story by Sheryl Scarborough. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios.
Characters include Maggie, Mrs. Caloway, Grace, Buck, Jeb, Audrey, Ollie and the duck. (Alameda Slim, Reggie and the chicks appear in Maggie's imagination, but not for real.)
12) JZ831, 1 page, 3-tiers, The Last Laugh: "Alien April Fools' Pranks"
Written by John Green. Art by Jim Paillot.
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Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 3 (April 2004)
1) No Code, 1 page, 3-tiers, The Last Laugh: "Three New Ways to say 'Hello!'"
Written by John Green. Art by Ryan Dunlavey.
NOTe: This episode of "The Last Laugh" appears on the first page of the magazine, and is called "The First Laugh"
2) no story code, 3 pages, 3-tiers, Spy Kids: "Metal Menace!"
No story credits. Art by Christine Norrie.
"Spy Kids" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Miramax Film Corp.
3) JZ825, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Finding Nemo: "Massage in a Booble!"
Written by John Green. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Letters by Michael Stewart.
Characters include Nemo, Dory, Pearl, Tad, Sheldon and Mr. Ray.
4) JZ826, 6 pages, 3-tiers, Pirates of the Caribbean: "Open Sesame!"
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Bret Blevins. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Felix Serrano.
Characters include Jack Sparrow and Will Turner.
5) JZ796, 4 pages, 3-tiers, Freaky Friday: "Freaky Ferret Fun!"
Story by Sheryl Scarborough and Kayte Kuch. Pencils by Christine Norrie. Inks by Mike DeCarlo. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Hi-Fi Studios.
Characters include Anna Coleman, Tess Coleman, Ryan, Maddie and Peg.
6) No code, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Lilo & Stitch: "On the Fence!"
No writing credit. Art by Disney Academia. Letters by John Green.
Characters include Lilo, Stitch and Myrtle.
7) JZ827, 2 pages, 1-tier, The Last Laugh: "Solve the Case of the Missing Bananas"
Written by John Green. Art by Dave Clegg.
NOTe: This episode of "The Last Laugh" appears in the centerfold of the magazine, and is called "The Middle Laugh"
8) JZ828, 4 pages, 3-tiers, Kim Possible: "Mummy Matters!"
Story by Landry Quinn Walker and Eric Jones. Pencils by Dan Gracey. Inks by Mike DeCarlo. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by John Green.
Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Rufus and Dr. Drakken.
9) JZ829, 4 pages, Kid Gravity: "Doomball!"
Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Gary Black.
Characters include Kid Gravity, Kid Apocalypse, Penny Galactica, Jetboy, Jetgirl, the unnamed Zargian and the robot teacher.
10) JZ830, 1 page, 3-tiers, Gorilla Gorilla: no title
Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar.
Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard.
11) JZ833, 2 pages, Home on the Range: "When the Music Mooooves You!"
Story by Sheryl Scarborough. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios.
Characters include Maggie, Mrs. Caloway, Grace, Buck, Jeb, Audrey, Ollie and the duck. (Alameda Slim, Reggie and the chicks appear in Maggie's imagination, but not for real.)
12) JZ831, 1 page, 3-tiers, The Last Laugh: "Alien April Fools' Pranks"
Written by John Green. Art by Jim Paillot.
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HONK TO SEE PUPPIES
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