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Asaramelli
Dear DCML friends :

In the history "The New Economy", Mr Giorgio Pezzini talks about the
internet business fever, a very complex phenomenum , like an gold run, with
a very good script.

After decided to enter on the internet business, Uncle Scrooge tried to call
for his accountant, to see how manage the activities in the nwe economy. So
Huey, Dewey and Loui recommended to Uncle scrooge look for another kind of
professional, someone who know the new economy, better than his accountants.

In the real life, for some months, managers around the world really used to
forgot the traditionals accountants practices, and looked for new doubtful
commerce practics because they really used to understand that the internet
business world was a completely new theather for business, with new rules.

The dialogue with Huey, Dewey, Loui and Uncle Scrooge was created only for
offer a better script, increase the emotion , or really, it was a manner to
demonstrate the real situation in that days ?

I?m writing an article about the Uncle Scrooge relationship with
his accountants, and if anyone know any aspect about, please, write for me.

A nice Friday for all !

Alexandre Saramelli

Giorgio Pezzini

The New Economy
Zio Paperone e la New Economy
A Nova Economia
Tietotalouden armoilla

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/I+TL+2440-6//
Le Richard
In Paris, I suggest "Dans la gueule du loup":
http://www.danslagueuleduloup.com/
They have a lot of things, past and new.

Francois

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Nils
Thanks to Elaine Ramshaw for a thoughtful and eloquent
contribution, re HDL's emotional maturity, their sense
of self-identity, &c. One is reminded of Daisy's nieces
April, May, June, who *sometimes* are portrayed as having
more distinct, or at least visually distinguishable, personalities:
one has a ponytail, another a moptop, the third has pigtails.
Can we imagine HDL adopting slightly different visual
characteristics [apart from the colours of their caps]?
Different t-shirts, tattoos, piercing, eltonjohnian glasses?

Regarding self-identity, self-perception and "which is which?",
I'm as before reminded of Britten (ca. 1950, I believe), who
found the following description helpful:

First, April, she with mellow showers
Opens the way for early flowers,
Then after her comes smiling May,
In a more rich and sweet array,
Next enters June and brings us more
gems than those two that went before
Then, lastly, July comes and she
more wealth brings in than all those three;
April! May! June! July!

In a prospective initio-prepub-romantic HDL story, that most
of us hope will not be written, or at least not be officially
published, I suppose Phooey will get July. Somehow it doesn't
quite work as well, though, with

First, Huey, he with mellow showers
Opens the way for early flowers,
Then after him comes cunning Dewey,
In a more strong and tougher hooey,
Next enters Louie and brings us more
germs than those two that went before
Then, lastly, Phooey comes and he
more noise brings in than all those three;
Huey! Dewey! Louie! Phooey!

Nils Lid Hjort
Rob Klein
Hola Santiago!
Donald's three nephews were invented to give him a lot of trouble in one cartoon, as only
foils for Donald. They were not intended to be primary characters-or even considered for
making return appearances in other cartoons. They were so unimportant, that
background information was not even necessary. I'm not evensure we got to hear the
name of their mother (Donald's sister). So, in developing the characters, it was easier
to
have them be triplets (three little kids can be much more trouble than one). And, if
they're
all energetic, wild demons, there's no reason to give them different characters. Barks
developed all the Duck characters much more than the cartoons did. BUT, he didn't have
license to change their characters from those of the cartoons. So they had to stay
triplets,
who acted as one.

Rob Klein

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Marvinw
Great news that besides the Good Housekeeping cartoon stories we will also be seeing soon stories from the King Features Disney strips. With Leonard Maltin presenting the series of Disney film treasures, we now have David Gerstein as his counterpart providing us with the Disney printed treasures. Many thanks to Gemstone enabling this to happen.
I have two particular favorites that I would like to see. A representation of the very first Disney comic book that appeared in 1931 which consisted of black and white Gottfredson strips.
Secondly, I would like to see a reissue of the 1943 Gremlins story produced by Disney. This was written by Roald Dahl, the author for the Disney stop-motion film "James and the Giant Peach", he wrote many of the Tales of the Unexpected used by Hitchcock, and he is the author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with its new film version now being shown.
Included with the Gremlins story book were beautiful color drawings by the Disney artists. The Gremlin characters later appeared in WDC&S in several short two page comic gags drawn by Walter Kelly.
Perhaps the reissue of the Gremlins could be bound together with a comic book type version of the story drawn by a modern day artist ( maybe a new challenge for Don Rosa ! ).
I am sure that many will have their own special favorites.
Marvin Winitz

Enclosures for David Gerstein:
Walt Disney himself reading his very first Disney comic book
Gremlin pictures drawn by the Disney studio
Lars Jensen
Fredrik Strömberg wrote:

> I have now completed the foreword on Shakespeare in Disney comics
> (thanks for all the help) and have started the next one, which will be
> about Arthur Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. I have located the
> comics with Basil The Mouse Detective and The Sleuth and I am now
> looking for more obscure parodies, satires, references etc.

Gorm Transgaard and Miguel recently made a continued Donald Duck story
(D 2004-255), where a seemingly impossible crime happens. The Ducks'
solution: get Gyro's time machine to transport "Homer Sherlong" and
doctor "Vatsen" (Danish names) to Duckburg so they can solve the
mystery.

Part 1 was printed in this week's issue of Anders And & Co. (35/2005),
so I don't know whether the Ducks actually do get hold of Sherlong and
Vatsen. It looks promising so far, though.

Lars
Lars Jensen
I'm not really sure what Marvinw meant to say with his posting.

Marvin, do you want us to revive Mickey, Minnie, the Gremlins and Walt
Disney? Regarding the latter individual, we might be in over our
heads...

Lars
Marvinw
Lars Jensen commented: unsure about the posting.
In the email sent out to DCML members I referred to
1. A representation of the very first Disney comic book
2. A reissue of the 1943 Gremlins story produced by Disney

Note: In the DCML archives on the DCML web site, apparently read by Lars, the text of my posting was scrubbed and instead the picture attachments sent as cc carbon copy to D. Gerstein were not scrubbed. ( This is the reverse of the usual operation of the DCML site !!)
Marvin Winitz
Herbert Snorrason
I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing:

http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck

Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth purchasing?
--
Schw?che zeigen hei?t verlieren;
h?rte hei?t regieren.
- "Glas und Tr?nen", Megaherz
Santiago García
Nils:

> First, Huey, he with mellow showers
> Opens the way for early flowers,
> Then after him comes cunning Dewey,
> In a more strong and tougher hooey,
> Next enters Louie and brings us more
> germs than those two that went before
> Then, lastly, Phooey comes and he
> more noise brings in than all those three;
> Huey! Dewey! Louie! Phooey!

:-DDDDD

Rob:

> Donald's three nephews were invented to give him a
> lot of trouble in one cartoon, as only
> foils for Donald. They were not intended to be
> primary characters-or even considered for
> making return appearances in other cartoons. They
> were so unimportant, that
> background information was not even necessary.

I see. That seems to be quite right.

> BUT, he didn't have
> license to change their characters from those of the
> cartoons. So they had to stay triplets,

I don't understand this: Dind't Barks himself create
HDL characters, for comics?

Santiago.

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>
>
>I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing:
>
>http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck
>
>Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth purchasing
>

If you're interested in (a) seeing Donald and Scrooge twisted into
Communist propaganda or (b) laughing at a couple of dorks who would do
such a thing, then yes, it's worth reading.

Quack, Don
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 9/5/2005 4:12:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
methanal at gmail.com writes:
>I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing:

>http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck

>Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth
purchasing?

$16 for a bootleg? Loose Xerox pages or what?

Used copies are all over the web at $10 up -- of course the first USA
edition was unauthorized by the authors as well......2nd edition is the authors
correct version (i recall)

yes, as stated this is a publication about how Donald
Duck and Uncle Scrooge are (at least in the 1950s-1960s in Chile) are
capitalist propaganda. Ive read one of the sequels - and it seems mildy valid,
folks who've read the HTRDD 1st english edition, state that either the
authors are making some stuff up - or the translations the authors read were
horribly done.

Worth purchasing? Depends on your need to read Marxist criticism of Disney
comics.

steven rowe
H.W.Fluks
Daniel J Neyer:

> However, there was an odd part in the Black Crow Mystery that made me
> think there had been a little censorship. Mickey spots a
> strange-looking
> farm hand during a fire, and queries a farmer about him. The dialogue
> seems oddly weak, though it occupies an entire strip, and
> stranger yet,
> nothing more is made of the strange-looking farm hand. The farm hand
> looks very much like the caricatured "Jap" typical in WW2-era
> propaganda,
> so I wonder if the original sequence contained some
> anti-Japanese slurs?
> There certainly seems to be a joke or punch line missing in
> the two-strip
> sequence. Was the presumed anti-Japanese joke removed when
> the story was
> published in "Mickey Mouse Weekly" (the British magazine from
> which all
> the albums' stories seem to be taken), or was it removed when Horst
> Shroder edited the volume for United States audiences?

I can only compare with Schr?der's b/w xerox collection, but I think that collection is just like the originals.
The "Jap" strips are exactly as you describe. In the 2nd strip, Mickey says "I don't like the looks of that guy!".
I think this Japanese guy was originally planned to appear several times again, becoming the prime suspect during the story. And then in the end, he would turn out to be innocent.
My theory is that the writers or editors changed their minds while the story was being published, because they would have to show that a Japanese was innocent! 8-)
Anyway, they apparently decided not to refer to the Japanese guy again, so these 2 strips are all that remain.

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Steven replied:

> yes, as stated this is a publication about how Donald
> Duck and Uncle Scrooge are (at least in the 1950s-1960s in
> Chile) are
> capitalist propaganda. Ive read one of the sequels - and
> it seems mildy valid

There are indeed some truths in their analysis.

> folks who've read the HTRDD 1st english edition, state that
> either the
> authors are making some stuff up - or the translations the
> authors read were horribly done.

Yes, some translations were deliberately anti-communist. For instance,
in a Jiminy Cricket story, two bad crows were named Marx and Hegel. In
the original, they had some generic crow names.

--Harry.
Garth Danielson
Hi, my name's Garth Danielson. I have been reading these emails with interest for a couple of month's and decided to write myself. I have been a Disney comic fan for 40 plus years now and recently started filling in the gaps in my collection, especially the Dell Giants that I had not been able to find locally. Turns out eBay yields up much more material than I can (should) buy all at once. Still, I gave my credit card a good beating and wound up with some wonderful books. It's really nice to read the old comics, something about the original versions appeals to me. That and there just aren't reprints of a lot of material.

Like so many here I am a Carl Barks fan and have been since before I knew who he was. When I get a stack of comics I always put Uncle Scrooge at the bottom to read last. Right now there are 14 Scrooge issues waiting, waiting for me the finish the other comics I wanted to read first. And first I wanted to finish the new graphic novel from Gemstone, World of the Dragonlords. I work part time in a comic shop in Minneapolis, when I went to work on Sunday it was sitting in my pull slot. A pull slot is what we call the place pre-ordered comics go, it's just a comic box with plastic dividers labeled with our customers names. DreamHaven Books and Comics is a mixed bag of comics (mostly new), sf (new and old, cheap to very expensive), related movie material and some comic smut and a few naughty books. It's the best shop in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, and one of the best you'd ever find. Enough plugging.

I really enjoyed the World of the Dragonlords. Byron Erickson has written a good adventure story. I think Carl would approve. It captures the elements I like about the Barks adventure stories. There is an interesting location, some jeopardy, some humor and a good bunch of characters who work together to solve the problem. I liked the alternate world setting, and especially liked the dragons. I really liked that the boys had center place in the story. The art by Giorgio Cavazzano is really wonderful, lively and fun. I particularly liked the battle chapter with no word balloons, the story is in the pictures. All and all a really good read and one to reread, or just look at the pretty pictures, and those dragons are pretty cute.

It's Labor Day here in the US and I am off work and plan to read some of those stacked up recent purchases. I bet I'll have a good day, especially when I got to those Scrooge's.

Garth

P.S. I also have a blog that I natter on about movies and comics and the odd other thing or two I like. http://garth.typepad.com/
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