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Timo Ronkainen
Hello all!

Finnish Donaldists published a special issue completely in English. National Donaldistic Magazine! Fresh from the printer! 36 pages. Presenting the publishing history of Finnish Disney comics publications and Disney comics authors. Plus lengthy article on Romano Scarpa and his comics, Gil Turner the best Wolf artist, gaze upon Barks' oil paintings in art historic context, close view on Screaming Cowboy - the Donaldist Anthem.

Check for details:

http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit
Best Wishes
Timo
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Carl Lund
Any word on the state of Uncle Scrooge and C&S? It's been about two
months by my count since their last issues.
Brian Tucker
I'm getting oncerned about the continued delays with Gemstone. They've
announced several different plans to get back on schedule, but didn't follow
any of them.

They solicited for "Walt Disney Treasures Vol. 3", which didn't appear. When
I emailed them and inquired about the status of that book, the response I
got was "we have no information on that title." Well if Gemstone doesn't
have any information on titles they announced, who does? I know Gary Leach
is on this list, but he has been noticeably silent regarding any of the
questions posed here. One has to wonder how much longer Gemstone will
continue any Disney titles.

I think one of their problems is the endless reprinting of already reprinted
Carl Barks stories. People are getting tired of buying the same stories over
and over and over. It has to be hurting their sales. Some of the local comic
shops won't even special order their titles anymore.

I fear the end of the Gemstone Disney line can't be far off, and they have
no one to blame but themselves.

----- Original Message ----- >
> Gemstone's Schedule (Carl Lund)
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:18:02 -0600
> From: Carl Lund <clund at cox.net>
>>
> Any word on the state of Uncle Scrooge and C&S? It's been about two
> months by my count since their last issues.
Leo Schulte
Greetings!

I have always thought the lack of proper distribution hindered both
Gemstone and Gladstone: children's sections or comic sections of major
bookstores (Borders, Barnes and Noble, etc) never carry Uncle Scrooge or
anything else. One must always visit a specialty comic shop, to which
many parents would be loathe to take their children, given the violent
superhero stuff to be found there. (I assume some are child-friendly,
but I have yet to find one in the 4 major American cities I have lived
in.)

The other problem: why has Gemstone not been looking for successors to
Rosa and Barks? There must be some budding young artist doodling away
somewhere who could assume the throne! Don Rosa might even know of
people himself: perhaps he has all kinds of stories in his head which
"simply" need to be drawn.

Why has the development of a new generation of artists for Uncle Scrooge
and company not happened?

Answer: bad, short-sighted management!

Let us hope this is not the end of the Barks/Rosa Universe!

Best Wishes!

Leo Schulte

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Carl Lund Writes:

> I fear the end of the Gemstone Disney line can't be far off, and they have
>
> no one to blame but themselves.
>

Really, No one but themselves?
How about the reading public who aren't buying Disney Titles,
Or The economy!
Or The lack of good stories!
Or the fact that Young readers are on the Internet all day!
Gemstone is trying, I applaud them for that.
Maybe You could take up the Disney License and do better?
My guess is they have not been very profitable for some time, but they are
still trying!

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What about Fabian "Wanda" Gattino ? http://wandagattinocomics.blogspot.com/

I think is Don Rosa's call. Anyway, another artist would be very careful
in draw the 50's-60's ages from the Don Rosa Universe. I would love see
more comics from the Don's pen.

Fabio

Leo Schulte escribi?:
>
> The other problem: why has Gemstone not been looking for successors to
> Rosa and Barks? There must be some budding young artist doodling away
> somewhere who could assume the throne! Don Rosa might even know of
> people himself: perhaps he has all kinds of stories in his head which
> "simply" need to be drawn.
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Robert Hutchings
Does anyone know anything about the Abbeville Press compilations of the late 1970s and early 1980s? There are several titles: "Donald and His Nephews," "Goofy," etc., all of which have about ten well known stories by--but uncredited--Barks and Gottfredson. What I'm wondering about is how the process of selecting the stories and editing worked. Most of the stories are missing a few panels--and it seems the panels that are missing are semi-randomly selected. They're never integral to the plot, but not all of the non-integral panels are deleted. Furthermore, sometimes there are additional panels drawn by someone other than Barks inserted instead of the Barks panels, with completely different dialogue--often borderline nonsensical within the story. There are even a few Barks-drawn panels that appear in Abbeville a few panels before they did in the original Barks version, and they have new dialogue (this is something only someone very familiar with the
stories would pick up on, though). It's almost as if Abbeville bought the stories by the panel, bought the dialogue separately, and both came "assembly-required" like a jig-saw puzzle rather than in any coherent manner. It's totally baffling. And, this goes way beyond any editing that Western did of Barks' and Gottfredson's stories--I know Western chopped some scenes from their stories, but there is at least some apparent logic to such editing. There's no discernable logic to the Abbeville editing.

Robert Hutchings
Brian Tucker
Carl Lund did not write the quote you mentioned.

The reason the buying public isn't buying Disney titles is, in part, due to
the endless reprints of Barks stories. Why spend good money for yet another
copy of a story that you already have five or six copies of?

There are good stories available, perhaps not as good as Barks/Rosa, but
still good stories that have never been printed here. I have heard from many
long standing Disney collectors that they stopped buying them because of
all the continuing reprints of Barks. I'm glad you think I posssess the
millions of dollars it would require to take up the Disney license, but
unfortunately I don't. I'm sure they haven't been profitable for some time.
Whether or not reducing the number of reprints they publish would increase
their profitability is anybody's guess, but it would improve their sales.
Yes, Gemstone is trying, but their efforts are misguided.

Ten years ago, the store I deal with had about 25 customers buying all the
Disney titles. Now they have one - me. I have been buying every Disney title
published since 1954, and still have them all.

Since you appear to be knowledgable in Gemstone's problems, have you
considered taking up the Disney license? I suspect it will be available
soon.

> From: UNDBKB at aol.com
> Subject: Gemstone
>
> Carl Lund Writes:
>
>> I fear the end of the Gemstone Disney line can't be far off, and they
>> have
>>
>> no one to blame but themselves.
>>
>
> Really, No one but themselves?
> How about the reading public who aren't buying Disney Titles,
> Or The economy!
> Or The lack of good stories!
> Or the fact that Young readers are on the Internet all day!
> Gemstone is trying, I applaud them for that.
> Maybe You could take up the Disney License and do better?
> My guess is they have not been very profitable for some time, but they are
> still trying!
>
> Barry Branvold
>
Olaf.Solstrand
Greetings,

I hate being the grumpy guy, but I feel the need to address a couple of
things in Leo's last mail.

> why has Gemstone not been looking for successors to
> Rosa and Barks?

First: Why Gemstone? Gemstone clearly has not had a budget for developing
new stories, which is why they've based most of their publications on
reprints and European material. Why should Gemstone be responsible for
finding a successor to Don Rosa when Don Rosa never worked for Gemstone?

> There must be some budding young artist doodling away
> somewhere who could assume the throne!

But... There ARE many great artists and writers currently making Disney
comics. Vicar. Marco Rota. Bill Van Horn. Kari Korhonen. Giorgio
Cavazzano. Rodriques. Maximino. And that's just the artists, don't forget
John Lustig, Janet Gilbert and a ton of other great writers. All of them
and more make comics in the tradition of Barks, what's wrong with them?

> Why has the development of a new generation of artists for Uncle Scrooge
> and company not happened?

It has happened, and it's still happening. It's just not happening in the
United States.

> Answer: bad, short-sighted management!

Rubbish. There clearly are great artists and writers out there. Gemstone
aren't producing and finding them, but Gemstone never did. And I
understand that very well, considering sales numbers and all that.
Gemstone's sales numbers are in no way large enough to support tracking
down and finding the new Disney cult icon. And there's no reason to
critisize Gemstone for not being as big as they probably wish they could
be, as I'm sure they're not exactly rolling in money over there. On the
contrary, as Disney fans we should praise Gemstone for managing to do the
things they've done -- considering the market for Disney comics, I'm
impressed they've managed to publish Disney comics in North America for
more than five years, and from a businessman point of view, that's a
daredevil project that I can only assume is run by TRUE Disney fans.

> Let us hope this is not the end of the Barks/Rosa Universe!

What? There is no "Barks/Rosa Universe". Barks and Rosa are two of the
most different storytellers in Disney history. Obviously the "Rosa
Universe" ends with Rosa, but the "Disney comics in Barks' tradition
universe" is gigantic, and it includes everybody making Disney comics for
Egmont (and, I assume, everybody making comics for the Dutch and Italian
publishing houses as well).

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Mark Baker-Wright
>
> From: "Leo Schulte" <schulte at teacher.com>
>

> There must be some budding young artist doodling away
> somewhere who could assume the throne! Don Rosa might even know of
> people himself: perhaps he has all kinds of stories in his head which
> "simply" need to be drawn.

As I recall, Rosa has said on occasion that as he, personally, sees doing
comic work, it is difficult for him to imagine separating the tasks of art
and writing. It therefore strikes me as unlikely that he would have stories
in his head that he'd be looking for other people to draw.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, of course.

My two cents,
Mark Baker-Wright
Carl Lund
Carl Lund Writes:
>
>> I fear the end of the Gemstone Disney line can't be far off, and
>> they have
>> no one to blame but themselves.
>
>
Um. I'm not the one who wrote that. I just wondered if there is word
on their schedule.

I do agree with Leo--distribution has been an issue for Gemstone, and
new American talent needs to be developed. I know in the days when
Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were still being published, I had friends
who might have picked up a copy for their kids, but they weren't about
to hunt down a specialty comics store.
Fluks, H.W. (Harry)
> Does anyone know anything about the Abbeville Press
> compilations of the late 1970s and early 1980s?

These were taken from Italian publications. The cutting and pasting and
redrawing and stuff were done to make the stories fit for a new layout:
3 panels in a row. The original Italian books had 6-tier pages, just
like the big Abbeville books. Abbeville also printed them half-size
(with 3-tier pages).

Inducks info:
Italian books: http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=it/BIG
Abbeville big books: http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=us/BCS
Abbeville half-size books:
http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=us/BC

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Timo Ronkainen
Hi!

Those Abbeville books are far from being uncredited. Although no names are on the cover except the Disney of course. Well, on the cover of "Mickey Mouse" it says "Introduction by Floyd Gottfredson".
Their origin is in Italy, surprisingly. Stories are reprints from Topolino magazines, where editors needed to change the layouts of the comics. That's why some panels are missing etc.
Barks and Gottfredson wrote introductions to these Abbeville versions, but they are not included in original Italian or any other European editions. Otherwise these books are excat reproductions of these "Io" -books:
http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=it/BIG
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=it/BIG+++1A#d
Abbeville published also smaller hard cover books that are based on these big ones. Their page size is half of these and they contain only one story.

Best Wishes
Timo
^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist --- Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 ----------------- 20540 Turku --------------------- Finland -------------------------- - 044 20 46 455------------------ - timoro at hotmail.com timoro2 at yahoo.com ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:47:45 -0800> From: robertmhutchings at yahoo.com> Subject: The Abbeville Press compilations> To: dcml at nafsk.se> > Does anyone know anything about the Abbeville Press compilations of the late 1970s and early 1980s? There are several titles: "Donald and His Nephews," "Goofy," etc., all of which have about ten well known stories by--but uncredited--Barks and Gottfredson. What I'm wondering about is how the process of selecting the stories and editing worked. Most of the stories are missing a few panels--and it seems the panels that are missing are semi-randomly selected. They're never integral to the plot, but not all of the non-integral panels are deleted. Furthermore, sometimes there are additional panels drawn by someone other than Barks inserted instead of the Barks panels, with completely different dialogue--often borderline nonsensical within the story. There are even a few Barks-drawn panels that appear in Abbeville a few panels before they did in the original Barks version, and they have new dialogue (this is something only someone very familiar with the> stories would pick up on, though). It's almost as if Abbeville bought the stories by the panel, bought the dialogue separately, and both came "assembly-required" like a jig-saw puzzle rather than in any coherent manner. It's totally baffling. And, this goes way beyond any editing that Western did of Barks' and Gottfredson's stories--I know Western chopped some scenes from their stories, but there is at least some apparent logic to such editing. There's no discernable logic to the Abbeville editing.> > Robert Hutchings> > > > _______________________________________________> http://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
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Harry:
> These were taken from Italian publications. The cutting and pasting
and
redrawing and stuff were done to make the stories fit for a new layout:
3 panels in a row. The original Italian books had 6-tier pages, just
like the big Abbeville books. Abbeville also printed them half-size
(with 3-tier pages).

Correct, but some of the cutting and pasting and redrawing was already
in the Italian books. Those hardbound compilations from the early 70es
faithfully reprinted the original Italian publications of the stories,
which took place mostly in the 30es, 40es and early 50es; in those days,
Italian editors had no problems using scissors & glue to adapt the
stories' original layout to their needs. An infamous example is provided
by Barks' "Christmas on Bear Mountain", whose final was prolonged by
adding a gag obtained from Taliaferro panels, probably because the
editor had an extra half-page to fill...

Ciao,
Armando
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