Quote from user: Thomps2525The artists are John Green, who also draws Phineas & Ferb, and Paul Rudish, who also draws the Powerpuff Girls comics which are in a style similar to the "new Mickey."
So these are comics with original art, and not just stills reformatted as comic panels?
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Baar Baar Jinx
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Message 31 -
2015-05-11 at 20:44:46
Thomps2525
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Message 32 -
2015-05-11 at 20:49:05
Those digital comic stories are adaptations and contain original art.
For the past several years, Bob Foster has been a storyboard artist for Mickey Mouse Clubhouse ("Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggety dog") and Jake & The Neverland Pirates ("Yo ho, let's go!") and he is a member of The Animation Guild, IATSE Local 839, 1105 N. Hollywood Way, Burbank CA 91505, telephone 818-845??7500. I'm sure we could get in touch with him via his union. They take his dues money so they've gotta know where he is!
For the past several years, Bob Foster has been a storyboard artist for Mickey Mouse Clubhouse ("Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggety dog") and Jake & The Neverland Pirates ("Yo ho, let's go!") and he is a member of The Animation Guild, IATSE Local 839, 1105 N. Hollywood Way, Burbank CA 91505, telephone 818-845??7500. I'm sure we could get in touch with him via his union. They take his dues money so they've gotta know where he is!
Mesterius
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Message 33 -
2015-05-12 at 01:11:48
Quote from user: Thomps2525Those digital comic stories are adaptations and contain original art.
Um... huh? Do you have any examples of that "original art"? I researched this Mickey Mouse comic a bit when it was launched in 2013, and all the page samples I could see online were clearly just reformatted stills from the films. BADLY reformatted, I should add... they looked terrible. You can find a bunch of scanned pages on the Disney Wikia: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Mickey_Mouse_(2013_comic_book) All of them are obviously using film stills, resulting in very awkward-looking drawings and pacing. The only thing they've done is add some text parts and chop the pictures into panels. The worst kind of comic, if you ask me.
Um... huh? Do you have any examples of that "original art"? I researched this Mickey Mouse comic a bit when it was launched in 2013, and all the page samples I could see online were clearly just reformatted stills from the films. BADLY reformatted, I should add... they looked terrible. You can find a bunch of scanned pages on the Disney Wikia: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Mickey_Mouse_(2013_comic_book) All of them are obviously using film stills, resulting in very awkward-looking drawings and pacing. The only thing they've done is add some text parts and chop the pictures into panels. The worst kind of comic, if you ask me.
Thomps2525
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Message 34 -
2015-05-12 at 03:09:59
I have the Summer 2013 Disney Comic Zone magazine which includes adaptations of four of the new Mickey shorts. Each story---"Croissant De Triomphe," "No Service" , "Yodelberg" and "Stayin' Cool"---also appears in the digital comics and each story says "Based on the Disney TV Animation series by Paul Rudish." Paul is the man who re-designed the characters and directs the cartoon episodes. Some of the panels are the entire width of the page and do not appear to be lifted directly from the cartoon. Is it possible that the cartoons' backgrounds were copied for the comic stories but the characters have been redrawn? I'll have to see the cartoons again so I can make a comparison. In one story, there is a panel depicting a naked Mickey hiding from Daisy and Minnie. He is pressed against a lamppost. The next panel is very narrow and is just an enlarged close-up of Micke from the previous panel. Other than that one unnecessary panel, each story flows smoothly.
I have never downloaded a digital comic. Each issue of Marvel comics has a code for a free download...but why do I need the download when I already own the actual comic book? If I pay for the download of the two Mickey comics, will I be able to print them so I have an actual physical copy? I'd like to see IDW run some original stories with the re-designed characters, stories which are a little more plausible than the cartoons. A living furnace? Really? An entire apartment filled with water? Really? Mickey's ears used as hockey pucks? Really?
I have never downloaded a digital comic. Each issue of Marvel comics has a code for a free download...but why do I need the download when I already own the actual comic book? If I pay for the download of the two Mickey comics, will I be able to print them so I have an actual physical copy? I'd like to see IDW run some original stories with the re-designed characters, stories which are a little more plausible than the cartoons. A living furnace? Really? An entire apartment filled with water? Really? Mickey's ears used as hockey pucks? Really?
The Rhyming Man
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Message 35 -
2015-05-12 at 13:06:30
But why? There are the classic characters' designs, yet. Do we need so much a plausible story with Disney characters in that design? Those Mickey, Donald and pals version are silly.
Mesterius
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Message 36 -
2015-05-12 at 15:43:09
Quote from user: Thomps2525I have the Summer 2013 Disney Comic Zone magazine which includes adaptations of four of the new Mickey shorts. Each story---"Croissant De Triomphe," "No Service" , "Yodelberg" and "Stayin' Cool"---also appears in the digital comics and each story says "Based on the Disney TV Animation series by Paul Rudish." Paul is the man who re-designed the characters and directs the cartoon episodes. Some of the panels are the entire width of the page and do not appear to be lifted directly from the cartoon. Is it possible that the cartoons' backgrounds were copied for the comic stories but the characters have been redrawn? I'll have to see the cartoons again so I can make a comparison. In one story, there is a panel depicting a naked Mickey hiding from Daisy and Minnie. He is pressed against a lamppost. The next panel is very narrow and is just an enlarged close-up of Micke from the previous panel. Other than that one unnecessary panel, each story flows smoothly.
Dude. They ARE reformatted cartoon film stills. Even if some panels are "the entire width of the page", as you say (there was probably more of the background art created for the cartoons than what we necessarily see in a given film still, anyway). And all the characters and backgrounds are taken DIRECTLY from the cartoons. No redrawing has been done.
And I disagree: I think, compared to the original cartoons, the story flow and pacing in the comic book pages I've seen is VERY awkward. Doesn't even come close to the timing and snap of the animated shorts. Which ties directly into the limitations that comes with using film stills, rather than having someone actually draw the stories for the comic book medium.
But I see that my link up there didn't work properly. To see the Wikia page I'm talking about, you have to copy and paste the entire link, including "_(2013_comic_book" in the end (in other words this: "http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Mickey_Mouse_(2013_comic_book"). I'll make it easier, though. Here are the three first comic book pages for "No Service":
Page 1: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111502/disney/images/3/37/A35b852968621d0db7dfadec9d4ebfaa.jpg
Page 2: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111356/disney/images/d/db/99679e2fabf671a5e3f155a7bf2cb021.jpg
Page 3: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111412/disney/images/3/32/931269cd04c644775b5d38ad88cbd693.jpg
Now compare with the animated cartoon. You'll find the exact same still images in there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNdhDq-DF8k
Dude. They ARE reformatted cartoon film stills. Even if some panels are "the entire width of the page", as you say (there was probably more of the background art created for the cartoons than what we necessarily see in a given film still, anyway). And all the characters and backgrounds are taken DIRECTLY from the cartoons. No redrawing has been done.
And I disagree: I think, compared to the original cartoons, the story flow and pacing in the comic book pages I've seen is VERY awkward. Doesn't even come close to the timing and snap of the animated shorts. Which ties directly into the limitations that comes with using film stills, rather than having someone actually draw the stories for the comic book medium.
But I see that my link up there didn't work properly. To see the Wikia page I'm talking about, you have to copy and paste the entire link, including "_(2013_comic_book" in the end (in other words this: "http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Mickey_Mouse_(2013_comic_book"). I'll make it easier, though. Here are the three first comic book pages for "No Service":
Page 1: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111502/disney/images/3/37/A35b852968621d0db7dfadec9d4ebfaa.jpg
Page 2: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111356/disney/images/d/db/99679e2fabf671a5e3f155a7bf2cb021.jpg
Page 3: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226111412/disney/images/3/32/931269cd04c644775b5d38ad88cbd693.jpg
Now compare with the animated cartoon. You'll find the exact same still images in there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNdhDq-DF8k
Thomps2525
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Message 37 -
2015-05-12 at 22:34:35
You are correct...but you already knew that. I was wrong. I do think the comic adaptations, even though they use film stills, flow smoothly, considering that much of the action of the cartoons had to be eliminated. Anyone who sees the comics prior to seeing the cartoons would likely have a different opinion than someone who sees the cartoons first and then sees the comics. When I can view No Service and be able to pause it and re-play certain sections, I can see the flaws in the computer animation. In the opening scene of Mickey and Donald walking forward, the sudden appearance of the palm tree on the left and the sudden appearance of the buildings on the right are disturbing to me. The foreground does not blend into the background the way it would have if the cartoon had been filmed using the multi-plane camera with several "layers" of art. Compare it with the 1937 animated short The Old Mill. Of course television animation has a much smaller budget than feature animation.
On a related subject, does anyone know why the Disney Channel has shortened so many of the classic cartoons of the 1930s-40s-50s for airing on the "Have A Laugh" segments? Originally between six and seven minutes in length, each cartoon has been cut to three minutes. For example, the 1948 Mickey & The Seal cartoon ended with a scene of several seals frolicking in Mickey's bathtub but the edited version being shown on the Disney Channel eliminates that scene, along with several others, and ends with just one seal---the one who had hidden in Mickey's basket---in the water-filled shower stall. Does Disney think that today's generation of kids can't sit still long enough to enjoy the entire seven-minute cartoon?
On a related subject, does anyone know why the Disney Channel has shortened so many of the classic cartoons of the 1930s-40s-50s for airing on the "Have A Laugh" segments? Originally between six and seven minutes in length, each cartoon has been cut to three minutes. For example, the 1948 Mickey & The Seal cartoon ended with a scene of several seals frolicking in Mickey's bathtub but the edited version being shown on the Disney Channel eliminates that scene, along with several others, and ends with just one seal---the one who had hidden in Mickey's basket---in the water-filled shower stall. Does Disney think that today's generation of kids can't sit still long enough to enjoy the entire seven-minute cartoon?
AzureBlue
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Message 38 -
2015-05-12 at 23:13:37
Quote from user: Thomps2525On a related subject, does anyone know why the Disney Channel has shortened so many of the classic cartoons of the 1930s-40s-50s for airing on the "Have A Laugh" segments? Originally between six and seven minutes in length, each cartoon has been cut to three minutes. For example, the 1948 Mickey & The Seal cartoon ended with a scene of several seals frolicking in Mickey's bathtub but the edited version being shown on the Disney Channel eliminates that scene, along with several others, and ends with just one seal---the one who had hidden in Mickey's basket---in the water-filled shower stall. Does Disney think that today's generation of kids can't sit still long enough to enjoy the entire seven-minute cartoon?
Possibly, but I think the bigger reason is probably to do with time slots and commercials (well I know they're commercial free, but they have sponsor mentions and advertisements for their own stuff) and whatnot. In the end it simply makes less sense for them to show the whole thing, but it's a damn shame they cut it. I'll stick to my Disney Cartoon Classics DVDs from the earlier 2000s.
On a similar note, what were those "remixed" versions that they also did called? I watched one that had an annoying voiceover and absolutely obnoxious commentary and presentation, can't remember what they titled that format though.
Possibly, but I think the bigger reason is probably to do with time slots and commercials (well I know they're commercial free, but they have sponsor mentions and advertisements for their own stuff) and whatnot. In the end it simply makes less sense for them to show the whole thing, but it's a damn shame they cut it. I'll stick to my Disney Cartoon Classics DVDs from the earlier 2000s.
On a similar note, what were those "remixed" versions that they also did called? I watched one that had an annoying voiceover and absolutely obnoxious commentary and presentation, can't remember what they titled that format though.
Thomps2525
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Message 39 -
2015-05-13 at 01:18:28
Ah yes, those videos were known as "ReMicks." Get it? "Micks"? I didn't like them but I give Disney credit for doing something creative and different. Here is the ReMicks that uses the 2009 David Guetta/Kelly Rowland hit When Love Takes Over. Don't stare
at the backgrounds for too long---you might wind up hypnotized:
http://video.disney.com/watch/when-love-takes-over-re-micks-4e699702b2cafdc7349b920d
at the backgrounds for too long---you might wind up hypnotized:
http://video.disney.com/watch/when-love-takes-over-re-micks-4e699702b2cafdc7349b920d
Nectaria
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Message 40 -
2015-05-13 at 07:52:10
I checked the comic adaptations of those shorts again and I noticed that Mesterius was right. These adaptations used film stills instead of actual drawings. This also happened in some H-coded stories adaptations of classic shorts like this and this. This also happened in Japan where some anime got manga adaptations that used film stills and they're called as "animanga".
I think we should talk about on which stories should be published in USA because it seems that we're off-topic. What if they translated this italian story where a female duck named Melissa Papera appears? If they translated this story in english, I wonder what her english name will be? Maybe it will be not Melissa Duck because there is already a character named Melissa Duck from the Looney Tunes series.
I think we should talk about on which stories should be published in USA because it seems that we're off-topic. What if they translated this italian story where a female duck named Melissa Papera appears? If they translated this story in english, I wonder what her english name will be? Maybe it will be not Melissa Duck because there is already a character named Melissa Duck from the Looney Tunes series.
Thomps2525
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Message 41 -
2015-05-14 at 00:32:07
I wonder how many Disney characters have appeared in comics in Italy, Denmark, Brazil and other countries but never in the United States. I would love to see an English-language printing of that Italian story. I had never heard of Melissa Papera, nor had I heard of Dickie Duck, the granddaughter of Goldie O'Gilt. So Melissa is "Papera" and I know Donald is called"Paperino" in Italy but doesn't the word "papera" refer to a goose, not a duck? The word for duck is "anatra."
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Nectaria
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Message 42 -
2015-05-14 at 04:42:57
Quote from user: Thomps2525I wonder how many Disney characters have appeared in comics in Italy, Denmark, Brazil and other countries but never in the United States. I would love to see an English-language printing of that Italian story. I had never heard of Melissa Papera, nor had I heard of Dickie Duck, the granddaughter of Goldie O'Gilt. So Melissa is "Papera" and I know Donald is called"Paperino" in Italy but doesn't the word "papera" refer to a goose, not a duck? The word for duck is "anatra."
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Well, Many of those ducks are called "papero/papera" instead of "anatra" in Italy but they're still ducks (except Gus and some of other goose characters) not geese (I think that the plural of goose?). For example, Grandma Duck's italian name is Nonna Papera and she is a duck. I have no problem with so many cartoon animal characters that have name that included their species but I don't think it's bad to name a cartoon animal character like that.
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Well, Many of those ducks are called "papero/papera" instead of "anatra" in Italy but they're still ducks (except Gus and some of other goose characters) not geese (I think that the plural of goose?). For example, Grandma Duck's italian name is Nonna Papera and she is a duck. I have no problem with so many cartoon animal characters that have name that included their species but I don't think it's bad to name a cartoon animal character like that.
Thomps2525
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Message 43 -
2015-05-14 at 21:19:19
Many years ago I heard a radio announcer---I don't remember who---say that Donald Duck's name is wrong; it should be Donald Drake. Yes, a male duck is a drake.....but a male duck is also a duck. The word can refer to the species as well as to the male of the species. By the way, "duck" comes from the Old English word d?ce, which means "diver." Donald Duck, of course, is an anthropomorphic character. When he swims, he emulates the arm and leg motions of a human and never swims the way a real duck swims. Sitting in the water and paddling with his feet would look really strange!
Robb_K
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Message 44 -
2015-05-16 at 00:37:38
Quote from user: Thomps2525I wonder how many Disney characters have appeared in comics in Italy, Denmark, Brazil and other countries but never in the United States. I would love to see an English-language printing of that Italian story. I had never heard of Melissa Papera, nor had I heard of Dickie Duck, the granddaughter of Goldie O'Gilt. So Melissa is "Papera" and I know Donald is called"Paperino" in Italy but doesn't the word "papera" refer to a goose, not a duck? The word for duck is "anatra."
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Isn't Warner Brothers' "Roadrunner" named "Beep, Beep"? - as in "Beep Beep, The Road Runner". I admit that I am embarrassed not to know this exactly, having been an employee of Warner Brothers Feature Animation on three films.
Not to get way off topic again.....well, okay, this will be getting off-topic again.....but why is it that so many cartoon characters and comic-book characters have a name that includes their species? Such names do not show much creativity. We have Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Gus Goose, Gladstone Gander, Clarabelle Cow, Bucky Bug, Foulfellow Fox, Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig, Yogi Bear, Woody Woodpecker, Wally Walrus, Benny Burro, Magilla Gorilla, Top Cat, Tweety Bird, Touché Turtle, Woodsy Owl, Pogo Possum and many others.....and a road runner named Road Runner.
Isn't Warner Brothers' "Roadrunner" named "Beep, Beep"? - as in "Beep Beep, The Road Runner". I admit that I am embarrassed not to know this exactly, having been an employee of Warner Brothers Feature Animation on three films.
Sirtao
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Message 45 -
2015-05-23 at 21:41:27
Question: how likely is for IDW to publish PKNA?