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Topic: Donald Duck's parents & childhood

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Robb_K
Grandma Duck was and is (officially) considered the sister of Uncle Scrooge, by the editorship of Dutch and German Disney Comics (and some other European editorships). Hier is the family tree published in the Dutch printing:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4529/ddstamboomwu0.jpg
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: Robb_KMarco Rota wrote and drew a long comic book story on Donald's life for his 50th birthday in 1984, which showed that as an egg, Donald fell out of his tree nest, and was found by Uncle Scrooge and Grandma Duck, and adopted and raised by them (Grandma doing the day-to-day work of raising him, and Scrooge paying for it).

It was produced by Mondadori (Italian Disney). Here is the Dutch printing (Cover and Donald's adoption):

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9185/ddeitoteendhx1.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2254/ddeitoteend2rr9.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8948/ddeitoteend3jm8.jpg

Awww, that's cute! ^___^ Thanks for sharing this! :)
Sirredknee
I think the earliest story that shows Donald as a child/baby growing up on Grandma's Farm was this one (another one drawn by Strobl):
http://coa.inducks.org/s.php?c=W+OS+1109-02#scans
Quackberg
What I think of what happend to Donald's parents is that they left him with Grandma Duck because he was to wild and angry, similar to how the nephews got in the care of Donald himself. Grandma was a better parent (I think I have red that she had raised 20 children in a comic somewhere, but I'm not sure) than Hortense and Quackmore, so they thought she could make Donald more calm.
Della was still in the care of her real parents because she wasn't so bad tempered as Donald was.

On the family tree it seems like that Cornelius Coot (my favorite Donald Duck character) is some part Dutch, I have red that he is from Holland on the Swedish Donald Duck Comic website. I know that this is off topic but is there some other source that this is "true"?
Roger North
Quote from user: sirredkneeI think the earliest story that shows Donald as a child/baby growing up on Grandma's Farm was this one (another one drawn by Strobl):
http://coa.inducks.org/s.php?c=W+OS+1109-02#scans

If you're talking about the story This is Your Life Donald Duck I have that story printed in Donald and Mickey #25
Robb_K
Quote from user: QuackbergOn the family tree it seems like that Cornelius Coot (my favorite Donald Duck character) is some part Dutch, I have red that he is from Holland on the Swedish Donald Duck Comic website. I know that this is off topic but is there some other source that this is "true"?
Cornelius (Cornelis) is a Dutch name. And Cornelius Coot (Cornelis Prul) wore a hat typical of The Dutch Patroons of the 1600s. So, he may well have been a Dutchman. Barks never stated which country Cornelius Coot was from. The English coot is spelt : "koet" in Dutch ("coet" in the old spelling-and in Flemish), sounding exactly the same. So, Barks may have intended Coot to be a Dutchman. Unfortunately, I never asked him about that. There are Spanish and English placenames in Barks' Calisota, but no French, Dutch or Russian names. But there was a "Mad Duke of Duckburg". The name Duckburg, itself, could possibly be Dutch, as Burg is the name for a town that surrounded a castle "burcht" (as in Voorburg, near Den Haag).

I also think that it's only a coincidence that Grandma Duck turned out to be thought of as Donald's grandmother and his nephews' great grandmother. I am sure that Taliaferro originally intended her to be Donald's mother, and that she was only referred to as "Grandma" because the Nephews were around.
Quackberg
Quote from user: Robb_KCornelius (Cornelis) is a Dutch name. And Cornelius Coot (Cornelis Prul) wore a hat typical of The Dutch Patroons of the 1600s. So, he may well have been a Dutchman. Barks never stated which country Cornelius Coot was from. The English coot is spelt : "koet" in Dutch ("coet" in the old spelling-and in Flemish), sounding exactly the same. So, Barks may have intended Coot to be a Dutchman. Unfortunately, I never asked him about that. There are Spanish and English placenames in Barks' Calisota, but no French, Dutch or Russian names. But there was a "Mad Duke of Duckburg". The name Duckburg, itself, could possibly be Dutch, as Burg is the name for a town that surrounded a castle "burcht" (as in Voorburg, near Den Haag).
That is interesting to hear, those facts really makes me think that Cornelius Coot is Dutch, or at least some part. The name "Coot" could have easily been changed from "Coet" as the family grew or perhaps when they went to America. I have red that Don Rosa thinks that Cornelius is a melting pot american, so the early ancestors might be Dutch and then have married settlers from other countries. The Dutch culture might have been the dominant one because of Cornelius name and that, as you said, he named his new founded settlement "Duckburg". (One of the things I don't agree with Don Rosa, but I mostly do, is that Cornelius was given Fort Duckburg by the British, I have always seen it as Cornelius Coot founded the settlement himself)

Thanks, Robb_K!
Timoro
The pilgrim hat Cornelius is wearing, is it typical of British settlers only or did other groups were that too? Dutch?
Timo
Robb_K
Quote from user: timoroThe pilgrim hat Cornelius is wearing, is it typical of British settlers only or did other groups were that too? Dutch?

Timo

The Pilgrims had dwelt in The Netherlands (Holland) just before setting out for The New World. They were wearing typical Dutch dress of that time. The English wore similar clothing, but their hats were shorter. They relocated to The New World to obtain religious freedom, which they did not have in England, which is why they had previously moved to Holland.
Timoro
Well this is slightly off-topic, but I checked about this hat thing. It's called capotain. "The capotain is especially associated with Puritan costume in England in the years leading up to the English Civil War and during the years of the Commonwealth. It is also commonly called a Pilgrim hat."
Timo
Robb_K
Quote from user: timoroWell this is slightly off-topic, but I checked about this hat thing. It's called capotain. "The capotain is especially associated with Puritan costume in England in the years leading up to the English Civil War and during the years of the Commonwealth. It is also commonly called a Pilgrim hat."

Timo

Yes, but if you look closely at the "Capotains" as shown in the examples of the Wikipedia page you linked, you will see that the example shown for England is shorter (as I described), and that for Holland (western Netherlands) and Flanders (southern Netherlands) were taller (more in the relative dimensions of Cornelius Coot's hat and The Pilgrims' hats). The hats that look like Cornelius Coot's were regular dress in The Netherlands in the first half of the 1600s. It seems to me that Rosa tried to link Cornelius Coot with the Englishman, Sir Francis Drake. But, I like to think that Coot may have come from a heritage from The Netherlands through The Dutch New Netherland colony (later to become New York/New Jersey), and later his forebears, as Americans, traveled west. He was the first to reach North America's west coast.
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: timoroWell this is slightly off-topic, but I checked about this hat thing. It's called capotain. "The capotain is especially associated with Puritan costume in England in the years leading up to the English Civil War and during the years of the Commonwealth. It is also commonly called a Pilgrim hat."

Timo

I thought Cornelius looked a lot like a Pilgrim, but I never knew what that hat was called. Thanks for the tip! :)
WB
Quote from user: LadyQuacklyDoes anyone know what became of Donald Duck?s parents?
Roast duck a l'orange at the Peking Palace. They were the 2 for one blue plate special with a side of fried noodles! :D

Seriously - I would love to see that Marco Rota duck story printed in the states at some time. Scrooge's life is nice, but not much is known of Donald's.
Robb_K
Quote from user: WBQuote from user: LadyQuacklyDoes anyone know what became of Donald Duck?s parents?
Roast duck a l'orange at the Peking Palace. They were the 2 for one blue plate special with a side of fried noodles! :D

Seriously - I would love to see that Marco Rota duck story printed in the states at some time. Scrooge's life is nice, but not much is known of Donald's.

Why don't you write to Gemstone, requesting that they print it?
WB
And who says I haven't?
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