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Quote from user: Robb_KGrandma Duck ... is (officially) considered the sister of Uncle Scrooge, by the editorship of Dutch and German Disney Comics (and some other European editorships).[/url]
If that is true, then these editors show **great disrespect** for Carl Barks. $crooge and Grandma are **not** siblings in any version of Barks' Duck Family-Tree. Neither are they in Don Rosa's "Donald Duck Family Tree" - as he is loyal to Barks in this question.

Quote from user: Robb_KYes, but if you look closely at the "Capotains" as shown in the examples of the Wikipedia page you linked, you will see that the example shown for England is shorter (as I described), and that for Holland (western Netherlands) and Flanders (southern Netherlands) were taller (more in the relative dimensions of Cornelius Coot's hat and The Pilgrims' hats). The hats that look like Cornelius Coot's were regular dress in The Netherlands in the first half of the 1600s.
Thanks for the interesting information about Cornelius Coot's hat.

Quote from user: Robb_KIt seems to me that Rosa tried to link Cornelius Coot with the Englishman, Sir Francis Drake.
Not really. The only "connection" between the two, in Rosa's version, is that Sir Francis Drake founded a small English colony at the same spot 239 years before Cornelius Coots arrival.

Quote from user: Robb_KHe was the first to reach North America's west coast.
He couldn't be - Sir Francis Drake reached the same area decades before the first ordinary colonists reached America.

I know that Jon Gisle, in his book Donaldismen (1973), tried to date Cornelius Coot by dating his cloths, but I think that is insufficient. The only thing we can say for certain, from his cloths is that he cannot have appeared *before* such cloths were in use. That kind of hat may have been "anachronistic" in 1818 - but still available. I have seen George W. Bush wearing a cowboy-hat - but I wouldn't date him to the 19th century just because of that. Maybe Cornelius' use of the pilgrims-hat was a similar kind of action? Or maybe it was an inherited item, and thus very important for him? As far as I know Don Rosa considered the actual history of North America's west coast when he dated Cornelius Coot's arriwal to the area to 1818.

Quote from user: SigvaldQuote from user: Robb_KYes, but if you look closely at the "Capotains" as shown in the examples of the Wikipedia page you linked, you will see that the example shown for England is shorter (as I described), and that for Holland (western Netherlands) and Flanders (southern Netherlands) were taller (more in the relative dimensions of Cornelius Coot's hat and The Pilgrims' hats). The hats that look like Cornelius Coot's were regular dress in The Netherlands in the first half of the 1600s.
Quote from user: Robb_KHe was the first to reach North America's west coast.
He couldn't be - Sir Francis Drake reached the same area decades before the first ordinary colonists reached America.

I know that Jon Gisle, in his book Donaldismen (1973), tried to date Cornelius Coot by dating his cloths, but I think that is insufficient. The only thing we can say for certain, from his cloths is that he cannot have appeared *before* such cloths were in use. That kind of hat may have been "anachronistic" in 1818 - but still available. I have seen George W. Bush wearing a cowboy-hat - but I wouldn't date him to the 19th century just because of that. Maybe Cornelius' use of the pilgrims-hat was a similar kind of action? Or maybe it was an inherited item, and thus very important for him? As far as I know Don Rosa considered the actual history of North America's west coast when he dated Cornelius Coot's arriwal to the area to 1818.
Sigvald,-you took a single sentence out of my post, and separated it from its context. I MEANT that Cornelius Coot was the first of his "Coot Family" to make it to the West Coast of North America. Cornelius' hat was a style worn during the 1600s. It wouldn't have been worn in USA during the early 1800s (when Rosa claims Cornelius Coot reached Duckburg). Cornelius must have been quite an eccentric, wearing clothing of a style not worn for over 150 years. But, I guess, to make sense of Barks' use of Coot, and his implied history of Duckburg, and impliedgeographical location of Duckburg and Calisota, and its implied location inside USA, we must assume that Cornelius Coot founded Duckburg no earlier than the late 1700s, and no later than the early 1800s. Barks' Calisota changes US geography (in this alternate World). Barks' characters imply a different biology. So why not a different history???

I don't think that any editor forces Duck authors to use specific family relations. I rather think, that those authors are grown up with translations and stories, where, for example, Scrooge and Grandma are siblings and these things got stuck in their conception of the Ducks. And I don't see anything wrong with it. It makes the world of the Ducks even richer, when this many different perceptions flow in.

Quote from user: Roger NorthI used to think that Scrooge and Grandma were brother and sister but after reading The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck I found out that it wasn't true. They are not related and they are not in the same generation. Scrooge's sister Hortense married Grandma's son Quackmore. I don't know what happened to them but I think they might gotten tired of raising Donald and dumped him on Grandma. Della did the same to her sons Huey Dewey and Louie when she dumped them on Donald.
I guess for every cartoonist there's a different family concept re Donald and the Disney Ducks. Personally, I have no problem with this. While I very much enjoyed Don Rosa's take on it in Lto$, it's interesting to see other ideas as well. :)

Quote from user: Roger NorthYou're probably right Lady Quackly. Comic Books and Cartoons are not meant to be analyzed. They are meant to for using your imagination. However I'm going with Don Rosa's theory.
Oh I'm not saying, don't analyze comic books and cartoons (I do that a lot, actually); I'm merely taking an objective view on this. :)

Quote from user: Roger NorthI'm sorry I misunderstood you Lady Quackly.
Thank you Rog, but no need to apologize. I love LTo$, too. :)

Say... The "fact" that Cornelius Coot is Dutch would give a lot of possibilities for the Dutch Donald Duck, especially because they make the Dutch children believe that Donald Duck is actually living in Holland! Unfortunately they won't do anything with it, I think. This, and the fact that Rosa's Family Tree made Donald a decendant of Cornelius, makes me feel like Donald Duck is some kind of cousin of me. He almost would, execpt that he's a Duck and fictional.

Quote from user: SimIn my opinion, Donald's parents are still alive.
They are shown in S 75182 by Franco LoStaffa.
I didn't know this. Thanks for the information. Now I've got to look up that story...