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Quote from user: Dia-DiaFrom I TL 340-BP (1962)

That sooooo reminds me of "The Godfather"!...Except not that explicit.

Quote from user: Robb_KWell, I think that slicing half of someone's nose off is too violent, especially when no blood comes out and there's no wound to try to stop the bleeding. It's way too unrealistic. Falling from more than 10 meters and not breaking bones is also too ridiculous. I want REALISM when whatching my animal/human hybrids go through their lives in a 2-dimensional World, dagnabit!
You're right. Realism is good, to certain extents. I think in Duckburg the laws of physics are a bit exaggerated. Which is good, don't get me wrong. Inventing is easier. Getting fired is easier. Anti-gravitational devices are easier to make. You can get incredibly rich in a matter of weeks. Time travelling is possible. Ducks can easily jump a meter high in the air. People can get older. But, of course, you can go TOO far, there is a limit. But still, I think Duckburg should be a little exaggerated.
Quote from user: Robb_KAnd, I want REAL false history (NO FALSE real history)!
What do you mean by that?

Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: Robb_KI want REALISM when watching my animal/human hybrids go through their lives in a 2-dimensional World, dagnabit!
But still, I think Duckburg should be a little exaggerated.
Quote from user: Robb_KAnd, I want REAL false history (NO FALSE real history)!
What do you mean by that?
Dat zijn ironische graapjes!

You now see why I am NOT a World famous as a comedy writer/satirist!

Quote from user: Dia-DiaThis was possible in 1961,but wouldn't be now, I believe.
I wonder if Mickey's sentence in that panel ("I don't find it okay to deal like that with people") is an accurate rendition of the text of the Italian original. His mimic and gesture doesn't really look that worried, rather triumphant. I wouldn't be surprised if the moral preachment was put in Mouse's mouth with well-meaning do-gooderish intention only by the translation ... ;)

Hi, folks! I'm a big fan of Disney Comics. I like specially the 'Ducks'.
Well, my opinion about this subject is that it's hypocrisy to think about comics and cartoons without showing a bit of violence. Ok, kids will read those stories, but kids aren't so naive as we can suppose and they know what's happening around them and they surely know violence exists. They know the fairytales are full of violent events. But, of course, there are appropriate and non appropriate ways to show more 'realistic' scenes in the comics that will be read for kids. And that's the point: how to know exactly what is and what isn't appropriate? How the mind of a kid would deal with a story like "Canute The Brute's Battle Axe" by Vicar , for example, where Chisel McSue threats Scrooge, Donald and nephews with a gun? Anyway I assume this kid would know bad guys tend to use terrible means to get what they want.

This has got to be one of the strangest and most painful Disney comics panels ever. And this is the conclusion of the story.

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Scrooge: "I'll show you what it's like to be plucked!"
Donald: "Ouch! Help! Eek! Stop it! Ouch!"
Nephew: "And guess who's losing again?"
(From this story.)

Quote from user: ChabacanoHi, folks! I'm a big fan of Disney Comics. I like specially the 'Ducks'.

Well, my opinion about this subject is that it's hypocrisy to think about comics and cartoons without showing a bit of violence. Ok, kids will read those stories, but kids aren't so naive as we can suppose and they know what's happening around them and they surely know violence exists. They know the fairytales are full of violent events. But, of course, there are appropriate and non appropriate ways to show more 'realistic' scenes in the comics that will be read for kids. And that's the point: how to know exactly what is and what isn't appropriate? How the mind of a kid would deal with a story like "Canute The Brute's Battle Axe" by Vicar , for example, where Chisel McSue threats Scrooge, Donald and nephews with a gun? Anyway I assume this kid would know bad guys tend to use terrible means to get what they want.
Children certainly know that violence exists. It's with them every day (gangs and bullies), and, perhaps (unfortunately0 even their own parents or babysitters). I'd venture to guess that a number of Disney Comics (and other comics) fans retreat into the fantasy world of comics to get away from their real life which may be filled with violent child abuse.

I, myself, had to carry a switchblade knife to school every day to protect myself (middle school and high school-ages 12-17). And that occurred during the mild 1950s and beginning of the 1960s, before children and teenagers carried guns. They carried knives, brass knuckles, and bashed you with tire chains until you were unconscious (or dead). Perhaps that is partly why I don't seek out violence as "entertainment". By the same token, I don't like when there is no violence at all. It should be included in the proper amount, related to the story that is being told.

Still, I think that Disney's Italian comics' stories show too much violence, and too much unrealistic violence, that takes over stories so much that they often become too cluttered or off-track to follow the plotline. The same is true of the exaggerated artwork. It makes it too much work to follow the story. That is why i never really paid attention to the Dutch pocketbooks, or the US printings of italian stories (other than the brilliant art and writing in Romano Scarpa's Mickey mouse stories.