I share your opinion of that story more or less exactly, Gyro. On the whole, I actually probably like it somewhat better than you do--because, as you say, the first part really IS good--but BOY was abruptly tossing in Eega Beeva like that a bad move. It's not even so much that he's a deus ex machina (although he is), but rather that it just completely wrecks the tone of the story--suddenly, it's no longer shadowy and ominous, but rather bouncy and cheerful. I LIKE EB under the right circumstances, but this story starts out doing one kind of thing, and does that thing quite well, and then, thanks to EB's presence, starts doing something completely different, and much less interesting. A shame.
(Also, it always strikes me as really weird the way Martina just arbitrarily tosses in the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland as a minor character--but that's neither here nor there.)
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Topic: Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
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GeoX
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 46 -
2013-03-26 at 23:14:25
Mr. M
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 47 -
2013-03-27 at 12:36:28
Quote from user: GeoX(Also, it always strikes me as really weird the way Martina just arbitrarily tosses in the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland as a minor character--but that's neither here nor there.)
I never asume he was ment to be THE Mad Hatter but just some goofy hat selsman with desing and personality model after him (In Polish translation they even gave him a name "Mateusz" in the story, which is avrage Polish name) but seeing how many stories at the time had "Captin Hook meet Madam Mim" and stuff I guess irt was nothing that mind-scratching.
Who knows? MAybe after Alice's trail he moved to Mousetown? With Queen of Hearts cuting-of evrybody heads it's not the most profitible job there... I recall a story where the Beagle Boys where diging a tunel out of jail and by mistake the dig themselfs into the Wonderland. So maybe Wonderland is establish place in Duck/Mouse universe? Then agian isn't Wonderland all in Alice's head? On second hand in Tim Burton movie... OW! I'm over analysing it way too much, aren't I ?
Geting to the point : I would normaly hated Mad Hatter appearing as secondary character in Mickey Mouse (or Donald Duck0 story but Scara did it in a way that didn't bug me. There :)
I never asume he was ment to be THE Mad Hatter but just some goofy hat selsman with desing and personality model after him (In Polish translation they even gave him a name "Mateusz" in the story, which is avrage Polish name) but seeing how many stories at the time had "Captin Hook meet Madam Mim" and stuff I guess irt was nothing that mind-scratching.
Who knows? MAybe after Alice's trail he moved to Mousetown? With Queen of Hearts cuting-of evrybody heads it's not the most profitible job there... I recall a story where the Beagle Boys where diging a tunel out of jail and by mistake the dig themselfs into the Wonderland. So maybe Wonderland is establish place in Duck/Mouse universe? Then agian isn't Wonderland all in Alice's head? On second hand in Tim Burton movie... OW! I'm over analysing it way too much, aren't I ?
Geting to the point : I would normaly hated Mad Hatter appearing as secondary character in Mickey Mouse (or Donald Duck0 story but Scara did it in a way that didn't bug me. There :)
GeoX
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 48 -
2013-03-27 at 19:23:11
Quote from user: Mr. MI never asume he was ment to be THE Mad Hatter but just some goofy hat selsman with desing and personality model after him (In Polish translation they even gave him a name "Mateusz" in the story, which is avrage Polish name) but seeing how many stories at the time had "Captin Hook meet Madam Mim" and stuff I guess irt was nothing that mind-scratching.
In the US version, he identifies himself as "Thomas Topper," to which Mickey responds "oh, yes--the Mad Hatter!" I don't mind his presence, especially; I just find it...odd.
In the US version, he identifies himself as "Thomas Topper," to which Mickey responds "oh, yes--the Mad Hatter!" I don't mind his presence, especially; I just find it...odd.
Kurt Appel
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 49 -
2013-03-27 at 20:57:37
Martina was one of the greatest Disney artists ever. He introduced the tipical Italian adaptions of world literature, Duck Revenger and he also offered a different kind of Scrooge McDuck. I like Rosa´s work but sometimes his Uncle Scrooge is too sweet to be true. A guy like that would never get billionaire. So Martina has a much more subversive view of our world and of the Duck´s. Maybe he is the only writer of Duck comics very independent of Bark´s work. One of his absolute masterpieces is Paperino 3D unfortunately not published outside of Italy. In this story the only sane people are the prisoners of a bedlam house. If I had to choose the masterworks of Disney Comics I would decide for Lost in the Andes and Paperino 3D (and for Mouse stories: Casty´s Topolino e la marea dei secoli and Gottfredson´s Editor in Grief.)
Mr. M
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 50 -
2013-03-27 at 23:40:35
Quote from user: Robb_KThese are the kind of "public service educational" comics that are preachy and, therefore, not usually liked by children. Stories with educational messages in them must have the message delivered very subtly, or the reader will rebel, and not be open to receive the message because he or she has been promised entertainment, but instead been given educational material because of an agenda of the publisher.
To be honest the story didn't feel preachy until the final page where characters start praising how awsome the help phoneline is and I think that it handle the topic subtel enough... The main problem is that out-side of "Whoa! Morty and Ferdie friend got black-eye from his uncle!" there isn't much to the story...
- Morty and Ferdie meet a new friend who just move to Mousetown.
- They learn the next day he got bit-up by his uncle who got very "nervous" in recent days (BTW -> While it would made the story more powerfull I'm glad there isn't any flash-back of the man hiting the boy...) M&F want's to go to the police but the boy ask them to promise they won't do it.
- M&F conisder talking with Mickey but his buissy plus Morty dosen't like the idea knowig Mickey will most likley call the police.
- M&F get idea of calling he help line...
- Stil no gags in this story...
- The help line sent their expert to investigate the situation
- Expert turns out to be Mickey (what a twist)
- Mickey visits the the boy's uncle (who is asistent to a very rich business women) at work and then spy at him to discover source behind his behavior...
- Turns out that the guy is getting blackmailed my some mysterious bad guy blah, blah, blah... some very generic mystery...
- All end's well, man apologizes to the boy for hitting him...
I can't be to harsh for this story since it had it's hearth in the righr place but as a whole it's pretty generic and a bit bland. Giorgio Cavazzano did great job with the ilustrations (as usual) but that's abouit it. I wish they would spend more time on the main issue which could make a very emotional story but that type of realism could be way off-character for Disney comics so it's understandable...
As I learn recently this story was part of bigger series of strories that all center around the "help phoneline".
[EDIT]
Interesing... In oryginal Italian version, the story is 30 page long but in other countires is only 29... I wonder what did the cut-out...
To be honest the story didn't feel preachy until the final page where characters start praising how awsome the help phoneline is and I think that it handle the topic subtel enough... The main problem is that out-side of "Whoa! Morty and Ferdie friend got black-eye from his uncle!" there isn't much to the story...
- Morty and Ferdie meet a new friend who just move to Mousetown.
- They learn the next day he got bit-up by his uncle who got very "nervous" in recent days (BTW -> While it would made the story more powerfull I'm glad there isn't any flash-back of the man hiting the boy...) M&F want's to go to the police but the boy ask them to promise they won't do it.
- M&F conisder talking with Mickey but his buissy plus Morty dosen't like the idea knowig Mickey will most likley call the police.
- M&F get idea of calling he help line...
- Stil no gags in this story...
- The help line sent their expert to investigate the situation
- Expert turns out to be Mickey (what a twist)
- Mickey visits the the boy's uncle (who is asistent to a very rich business women) at work and then spy at him to discover source behind his behavior...
- Turns out that the guy is getting blackmailed my some mysterious bad guy blah, blah, blah... some very generic mystery...
- All end's well, man apologizes to the boy for hitting him...
I can't be to harsh for this story since it had it's hearth in the righr place but as a whole it's pretty generic and a bit bland. Giorgio Cavazzano did great job with the ilustrations (as usual) but that's abouit it. I wish they would spend more time on the main issue which could make a very emotional story but that type of realism could be way off-character for Disney comics so it's understandable...
As I learn recently this story was part of bigger series of strories that all center around the "help phoneline".
[EDIT]
Interesing... In oryginal Italian version, the story is 30 page long but in other countires is only 29... I wonder what did the cut-out...
Robb_K
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 51 -
2013-03-28 at 00:13:33
Quote from user: Mr. MQuote from user: Robb_KThese are the kind of "public service educational" comics that are preachy and, therefore, not usually liked by children. Stories with educational messages in them must have the message delivered very subtly, or the reader will rebel, and not be open to receive the message because he or she has been promised entertainment, but instead been given educational material because of an agenda of the publisher.
To be honest the story didn't feel preachy until the final page where characters start praising how awsome the help phoneline is and I think that it handle the topic subtel enough... The main problem is that out-side of "Whoa! Morty and Ferdie friend got black-eye from his uncle!" there isn't much to the story...
- Morty and Ferdie meet a new friend who just move to Mousetown.
- They learn the next day he got bit-up by his uncle who got very "nervous" in recent days (BTW -> While it would made the story more powerfull I'm glad there isn't any flash-back of the man hiting the boy...) M&F want's to go to the police but the boy ask them to promise they won't do it.
- M&F conisder talking with Mickey but his buissy plus Morty dosen't like the idea knowig Mickey will most likley call the police.
- M&F get idea of calling he help line...
- Stil no gags in this story...
- The help line sent their expert to investigate the situation
- Expert turns out to be Mickey (what a twist)
- Mickey visits the the boy's uncle (who is asistent to a very rich business women) at work and then spy at him to discover source behind his behavior...
- Turns out that the guy is getting blackmailed my some mysterious bad guy blah, blah, blah... some very generic mystery...
- All end's well, man apologizes to the boy for hitting him...
I can't be to harsh for this story since it had it's hearth in the righr place but as a whole it's pretty generic and a bit bland. Giorgio Cavazzano did great job with the ilustrations (as usual) but that's abouit it. I wish they would spend more time on the main issue which could make a very emotional story but that type of realism could be way off-character for Disney comics so it's understandable...
As I learn recently this story was part of bigger series of stories that all center around the "help phoneline".
[EDIT]
Interesing... In oryginal Italian version, the story is 30 page long but in other countires is only 29... I wonder what did the cut-out...
Perhaps the one page was cut to allow advertising room in the second printing, and just by chance the other countries all ended up with the cut down version, rather than the original?
To be honest the story didn't feel preachy until the final page where characters start praising how awsome the help phoneline is and I think that it handle the topic subtel enough... The main problem is that out-side of "Whoa! Morty and Ferdie friend got black-eye from his uncle!" there isn't much to the story...
- Morty and Ferdie meet a new friend who just move to Mousetown.
- They learn the next day he got bit-up by his uncle who got very "nervous" in recent days (BTW -> While it would made the story more powerfull I'm glad there isn't any flash-back of the man hiting the boy...) M&F want's to go to the police but the boy ask them to promise they won't do it.
- M&F conisder talking with Mickey but his buissy plus Morty dosen't like the idea knowig Mickey will most likley call the police.
- M&F get idea of calling he help line...
- Stil no gags in this story...
- The help line sent their expert to investigate the situation
- Expert turns out to be Mickey (what a twist)
- Mickey visits the the boy's uncle (who is asistent to a very rich business women) at work and then spy at him to discover source behind his behavior...
- Turns out that the guy is getting blackmailed my some mysterious bad guy blah, blah, blah... some very generic mystery...
- All end's well, man apologizes to the boy for hitting him...
I can't be to harsh for this story since it had it's hearth in the righr place but as a whole it's pretty generic and a bit bland. Giorgio Cavazzano did great job with the ilustrations (as usual) but that's abouit it. I wish they would spend more time on the main issue which could make a very emotional story but that type of realism could be way off-character for Disney comics so it's understandable...
As I learn recently this story was part of bigger series of stories that all center around the "help phoneline".
[EDIT]
Interesing... In oryginal Italian version, the story is 30 page long but in other countires is only 29... I wonder what did the cut-out...
Perhaps the one page was cut to allow advertising room in the second printing, and just by chance the other countries all ended up with the cut down version, rather than the original?
Mr. M
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 52 -
2013-03-28 at 01:26:45
BTW -> I know it's a cheap joke but I can not help but think that if they would try to do the same story but with HD&L rather then Morty and Ferdie in the scene when they learn about helplines for abuse children at least One of them would go :
"Whait a second! Forget about our new friend! You telling us that all those years we could report Uncle Donald!?"
"Whait a second! Forget about our new friend! You telling us that all those years we could report Uncle Donald!?"
Lars Jensen
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 53 -
2013-03-28 at 11:13:08
Quote from user: Mr. MInteresing... In oryginal Italian version, the story is 30 page long but in other countires is only 29... I wonder what did the cut-out...
As I understand it, the missing page contains information about the Italian abuse help line Telefono Azzurro (http://www.azzurro.it/index.php/it/). Since an Italian help line isn't really relevant outside Italy, the page was dropped in non-Italian reprints.
As a kid, I didn't particularly like this story, but it meant a lot to a friend of mine.
As I understand it, the missing page contains information about the Italian abuse help line Telefono Azzurro (http://www.azzurro.it/index.php/it/). Since an Italian help line isn't really relevant outside Italy, the page was dropped in non-Italian reprints.
As a kid, I didn't particularly like this story, but it meant a lot to a friend of mine.
Scarp
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 54 -
2013-03-28 at 17:06:49
The only thing that throws me off in this are the exhibits of short temper in the Italian pocket book stories, in which persons get kicked in the butt for trivial reasons.
Artemi
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 55 -
2013-03-29 at 16:57:02
I like it. It's very... ahem... comical!
Mr. M
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 56 -
2013-04-09 at 10:40:06
Just look at the way boys jump on Donald leg in this story...
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+98474
http://coa.inducks.org/hr.php?image=http://outducks.org/thumbnails3/webusers/2010/10/fr_pm_0466p066_001.jpg&normalsize=1
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+98474
http://coa.inducks.org/hr.php?image=http://outducks.org/thumbnails3/webusers/2010/10/fr_pm_0466p066_001.jpg&normalsize=1
Mr. M
Italian Disney Comics...too violent?
Message 57 -
2013-04-09 at 11:20:49
Quote from user: GeoXStill, I wouldn't dispute the more general point. I think the biggest issue is that so damn many of them were written by Guido Martina, a man who had his moments but who was also, let's face it, a weird sadist.
I just realise... A very early issue of Topolino (#7 to be exact) had thad badass "Mickey's Inferno" story... Since this is not only a spectacularly memorable story but it was base on one of most important piece of Italian literature (I'm a big fan myself) I woudn't be suprise if this particular issue was big influance on Topolinos popularity in Itally...
I just realise... A very early issue of Topolino (#7 to be exact) had thad badass "Mickey's Inferno" story... Since this is not only a spectacularly memorable story but it was base on one of most important piece of Italian literature (I'm a big fan myself) I woudn't be suprise if this particular issue was big influance on Topolinos popularity in Itally...