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Quote from user: RancidDuckSince this thread is about the Disney Afternoon, I thought I would mention what I found at a flea market last weekend. I found three board games by Milton Bradley which are: Darkwing Duck, Tailspin, and Bonkers. I don't usually buy things like this, but at $1 each unopened, I couldn't help it. Never even new they made these things. The boxes are in good but not great shape so I am tempted to open and see what they look like. Does anyone remember these games?
Never played it....but you can make some money off of em on EBay.

As for the whole "Disney Afternoon" thing, if you don't have the dvd's or you want to watch unreleased episodes, go on YouTube. As for the "end of Classic Disney" thing, I am sure Mickey and Donald will not go on forever, but the question is when the stopping point will be.

To me, personally, I don't really care. Today's classic Disney is so stupid it'll be better to make the whole thing end anyway. Not the comics, but the cartoons. Just like the modern Simpsons and-remember what happened to Looney Tunes; crap and more crap ruined it until it was pointless and at the end died off due to lack of interst (yes, I know, the licensing is still there and minor appearences). Probably what's gonna happen to classic Disney.

Or you could try the "Sex sells" idea, like in anime (uncut, not the censored crap). Course, I doubt many parents will be too happy with that. But if it sells, who cares......I for sure don't, and might watch it just because it at least have SOME APPEAL.

I am still amazed Disney hasn't taken the Warner Archive approach.
If they could even just finish what they started I'd be happy as a clam.

What stirke me about DUCK TALES DVD (and the reason I'm not in the hurry to buy tohse ) is lack of any special features. They are aware this show has one of biggest fan base but they don't even care to trow in a audio commentary by the creators or some extra stuff, which just would made the sels go up!

Quote from user: snowpeckQuote from user: Mr. MWhat stirke me about DUCK TALES DVD (and the reason I'm not in the hurry to buy tohse ) is lack of any special features. They are aware this show has one of biggest fan base but they don't even care to trow in a audio commentary by the creators or some extra stuff, which just would made the sels go up!
It's because they stupidly tried to market all those sets to kids. The market for a show like that is going to be adults who watched the shows when they were kids. All a modern kid is going to do is ask "What the heck is that?"
Well, I know an older friend of mine where her kids have watched and loved it (I'm not sure where or how) but for the most part indeed. The market for nostalgic stuff seems to be quite big right now, and DuckTales for the 20-30 year old range is quite high, just like old Warner Bros/ Disney cartoon are for the generation before that. A child from any generation can watch and enjoy it, but I believe that the people that grew up watching it on TV for the first time would get a different experience getting it.

Besides, they are the ones with the money.

As for the special features it is a little odd to me that they at least don't have different language settings. I'm not asking for them all, but I wanted to hear Scrooge's scottish accent in at least one different language. Also, it in theory wouldn't take that might time and effort to throw in, where commentaries would take actual effort for people.

Yes it is sad that Disney doesn't even care about The former Disney Afternoon shows. It's a miracle that they let Boom Studios release some of the comic books based on some of them. There were 18 issues of Darkwing Duck, 8 issues of Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers and 6 issues of Duck Tales. Of Course there were also the six Uncle Scrooge issues with Duck Tales stories in them if you count those.

Quote from user: MonochromeWhat, there is that many special features in those shows?! I can understand Scooby Doo and The Flintstones
Actually "Top Cat" and "Perils of Penelope Pitstop" have a pretty big cult fallowing despite being pretty short lived shows ("Top Cat" has only 30 episodes and "Perisl..." has only 17) I recomend the first one as It has some of the best snapy dialog I've seen in cartons and some episodes gets pretty satirical and I recomend "Peril..." for over the top goofynes. It's one of those cartoos you enjoy for how over the top absurd and silly the whole univers they setup is ;)

Quote:usually I find commentaries during the show boring myself
For me DVD commentaries are hit and miss.

For example - I remember the first commentary I ever listen all the way to the end where Tim Burton commentaries on his Batman movies which where pretty interesting. I remeber how after that I try to listen to some other commentaries on other movies he made ["Sleepy Hallow", "Edward Schizorchands"] and they were simply boiring and you could tell he didnt had honeslty did much to say about his movies or had any bigger stories about the events during the shoting. Then few weeks ago I both DVD of "Pewee Big Adventure' whci had commentary track by Tim Burton and the actor Paul Reubens and it was incredibly amusing and full of energy and you could see the love and passion for memories they had while making this movie...

Same went for the commentary on the Simpsons DVD's. Some episodes have very enjoyable commentaries where creators have very interesting stories to tell and even made me laugh out loud several times, and some are pretty boland and you can tell they forced themselfs to came up with things to say for 22 minutes and full of long pauses.

I found interesting solution in commentaries on the "South Park" DVD's where creators just talk for the first 3-5 minutes of the episode and as soon they tell all they have to tell they just end and move to the next episode. I prefer this over the commentary they made for "South Park movie" which was incredible ackward... it was basicaly hour and a half of the going "Um... Do you remember something more about this movie? No? Um... Eeee... Ow look it's this character in the background"

Disney had some interesting commentaries on movies like "Snow White" when they actally used recordings of Walt Disney himself commenting on the movies.

Quote:I also didn't know that there was a release version of the old shorts without it being a whole bunch of separate DVD's or something. It's probably really expensive though.
Sadly from what I recall at the moment their very hard to get :(

Whats super interesting is that Donald Duck DVD set had documentary on Carl Barks among many, many special features which was short but sweet :)

Another thing wort mentioning is that all cartoons which are consider "politically incorect" by today standard (gun play, racial stereotypes, suicide atemps alkochol) have a prolog by Leonard Maltin who makes a brief explonation to make the audiance aware of the problem and asure it's ok to watch it (for example if cartoon had a racist looking character he talks about how this type of humor was common at the time or if catoon had gun-play he makes a point to remind how Donald actions warent ment to be a "positve example" so he hopes nobody will be foolish enough to take example)
This way all the short remain uncut/uncesored and in some cases its actually interesting to hear Mr. Maltin talk about the problem. It was both responsible thing to do and a good way to not have not freak out over some of the images in the cartoons...

The only thing I recall that felt unhonest was on the DVD that had all the "Silly Symphony" shorts inculding the "Three Little Pigs". In the oryginal verison there is infamous scene when the wolf tries to trick the pigs dressup in stereotypical jewish man costume. The opening prolog on the DVD Maltin talks about this scene (and shows the clip) and asure the audiance that Walt Disney wasn't antisemitic, stereotypes like this where common at the time and basicaly talks how he hope this short won't be taken in a wrong way...
But then they put the EDITED version of the short on the DVD anyway with scene replace by a diffrent scene of wolf without the costume and the Idish accent! (I think it's the only example of the entire collectin when they put a censored short) Um.... So what was the point of brining up the issue ???
It's made as much sence if the DVD for "Fantasia" would start with them making apollagy for naked centaurs ladies and hope kids will be mature enought to handle it but then they would show the later version when the centaurs have their brests coverd...

I like how on "Tom and Jerry" DVD Woopie Golberg those a similar prolog for all the shorts and tells as much she conisder racial stereotypes in thse cartoons wrong, their part of our history and it would be equally wrong to act like those things didn't exist and we would ignor them...

Quote from user: MonochromeI can't remember if Bambi had that too which I remember having a after a movie special feature on the tape.
The Bambi DVD I have dosen't have commentary track but something better - a hour and the half of difrent storyboards/concept art scene by scene with archive dialogs of Walt and his crew discusting difrent choices they made.
It basically an ilustrated commentary, propably the best posible extra feature I can think of for animation fans.

Quote:Also that is a pretty good idea for south park. In one that I actually watched it had the voice actors for some of the episodes and they improvised pretty well. Some people don't seem to have that talent
Actually Trey Parker and Matt Stone who are creators/writers of "South Park" are also the voice actors [they voice almost all male characters whith few exeptions like Token Black]

Here are few examples of their commentaries somebody put on you tube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A2NKt21Se0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4eeKn579kQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21QdWi10SU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY6YOSvemCU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-CZNQ6fk5Q&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZmn6qS9xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_QDTZhn3AEw&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTABGQmB1w

Amusing stuff ;)

Quote:Well that sucks. Well it will not sell very well if people can't find it! I so glad to hear that there is a tribute to Carl Barks in the animated section. It warms the heart.
There is a funny clip during the documentary of Carl Barks during some award ceremony when he said something like this :
"I like to thanks all the fans who both my comics for 15 cents, and now are selling them on eBay for 15000 dolars" ;)

Quote:I heard that you also can't fast forward through those explanations though, or at least in some of them. Do you know if that's true or not? If you can't that would annoying to hear about how Disney is not enforcing stupidity with guns for the seventeenth time.
I had no problem skipping them. To be honest they are only 20 seconds short ;)

Heres some examples :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdPKMokayFo (I LOVE how they made a big deal of Donald using a gun but don't appear to be bother by the fact he spanks the baby Penguin... )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ImUncJ5d0&feature=plcp (to be honest I wodn't notice this "problem" if they didn't point it out... 0_o )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0HE8aaXi8&feature=plcp (Ok, this is pushing it.. I admit Im just a a dumb white guy fom europe so maybe I'm missing something here but do they really think people would freakaut about Donald puting a stereotypical Native American costume for 5 seconds ??? )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjIzJ5v4Syw&feature=plcp (Example of a good point)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMQiSiMWxA (And here is a good way of mixing some interesting facts with warning about offencive stereotypes... )

This one is pretty long bu to be honest this is the one I can't imagine being out on DVD WITHOUT any introduction for the historical context...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_vBee19ROc (Man I LOVE this cartoon...)

Quote:The Bambi DVD I have dosen't have commentary track but something better - a hour and the half of difrent storyboards/concept art scene by scene with archive dialogs of Walt and his crew discusting difrent choices they made.
It basically an ilustrated commentary, propably the best posible extra feature I can think of for animation fans.
That sort of sounds like it's similar to what used to be on the tape! Sadly it's been so long I can't remember how long it is or anything like that, but that's where I first learned about cells and other neat things about traditional animation. It's a shame they don't use it anymore. Which is understandable I suppose because traditional takes a lot of money to pay the artist team and all that but 3D can look fantastic... if done properly. If you don't it looks really creepy. You can only mess up to a certain extent on the traditional.

As for the movies it really feels like they are making a big deal out of nothing most of the time. I'm not sure how offended people could get about a gun being used in a show. For goodness sake in the Iron Giant there was a kid running around with one! Wasn't that movie made in the 90's or something? (though it as set in the 50's). Also, if someone actually though that dong something like light a cigar with a revolver was a good idea, then maybe it time to give out another Darin award.

As for the costume, I just don't know either; I probably wouldn't have picked up on that either if it wasn't pointed out to me. I just can't believe that Donald brought all that food for himself. How long was he staying there, all summer? The penny arcade one didn't seem terrible at all to me (Though why it is apparently Daisy brings up different questions. There was even a glimpse at the end that shows here till wearing clothes. I think I remember something way worse in a more recent cartoon, where Donald says that he would do whatever Daisy wants, and he has this fantasy of him and Daisy bathing together or something. Uhhhh.... Anyway, in my opinion, they should have warned about how creepy the face at the beginning was (lol)

The most logical of all of them in my opinion was the Autograph Hound because most people wouldn't know the reference anymore, and The Fuhrer's Face because people always jumps to the worst popular conclusions when that sort of subject matter shows up (even though it seemed pretty obvious to me that it wasn't pro-nazi).

I have to agree that, while it ranges a lot video to video, youtube quality generally sucks compared to TV (people also don't want it to be of the best quality usually so it doesn't take as long to load I'm guessing). Personally, I thought that the picture quality on the DVD's were pretty good but... I don't know if it was my PS2 acting up but for a while one of my duck tales DVD's weren't working for a while even though it was new. It had severe issues with gargoyles as well. Strangely enough, later I accidentally dropped that duck tales DVD on the floor and it worked pretty good after that O.o. My point is that perhaps these DVD's themselves aren't the highest quality either (or my PS2 hates them)

Yeah, I wish that youtube had more of them. Last time I checked out of the episodes that wasn't released, I only found Dough Ray Me and the Golden Goose part 2. There's more, but they are usually in a different language, which doesn't help me T.T . I don't understand why they don't release them digitally either. There's not much to lose indeed. I wouldn't use it myself bu I'm sure a lot of other people would...