Quote from user: SimI never read a story in which Gideon is told to be younger than Scrooge or just his half-brother. The same name Gideon is a fan name based on the "translation" of the Italian Gedeone.
That makes sense, since an internet search for "Gideon McDuck" does not produce a whole lot of useful hits.
Where exactly did the notion of Gideon being Scrooge's half-brother originate? Was it inspired by, or did it inspire Van Horn's back story for Rumpus?
Also, did Scarpa ever hint that Grandma and Scrooge were siblings? Before Rosa's tree, I always thought this was the case. For this to work, though, Grandma would have to be Scottish, and this was never suggested by any writer.
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Topic: Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
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Baar Baar Jinx
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 31 -
2012-04-11 at 22:09:09
Ryan_Wynns
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 32 -
2012-04-11 at 23:42:42
Quote from user: SimTaliaferro is da Big Boss! ;)
Er, not quite sure what you mean by that... :D But it's certainly true that Taliaferro drew the Silly Symphonies newspaper strip adaptation of "The Wise Little Hen" 1934, while Barks didn't join Disney's animation department until 1935, and Taliaferro played a part in the creation of Huey, Dewey, and Louie. So in terms of being "first", I can see why you'd consider the Taliaferro "da Big Boss!" ;)
But I see Taliaferro's Donald strips and Barks' Donald and Scrooge stories as very different, in multiple ways, not the least of which being that Taliaferro never did adventure stories. I like to think of Taliaferro as canon to Taliaferro, and Barks as canon to Barks. :)
Er, not quite sure what you mean by that... :D But it's certainly true that Taliaferro drew the Silly Symphonies newspaper strip adaptation of "The Wise Little Hen" 1934, while Barks didn't join Disney's animation department until 1935, and Taliaferro played a part in the creation of Huey, Dewey, and Louie. So in terms of being "first", I can see why you'd consider the Taliaferro "da Big Boss!" ;)
But I see Taliaferro's Donald strips and Barks' Donald and Scrooge stories as very different, in multiple ways, not the least of which being that Taliaferro never did adventure stories. I like to think of Taliaferro as canon to Taliaferro, and Barks as canon to Barks. :)
Sim
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 33 -
2012-04-12 at 12:42:45
Quote from user: Ryan_WynnsQuote from user: SimTaliaferro is da Big Boss! ;)
I like to think of Taliaferro as canon to Taliaferro, and Barks as canon to Barks. :)
That's reasonable. ;)
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhere exactly did the notion of Gideon being Scrooge's half-brother originate? Was it inspired by, or did it inspire Van Horn's back story for Rumpus?
Also, did Scarpa ever hint that Grandma and Scrooge were siblings? Before Rosa's tree, I always thought this was the case. For this to work, though, Grandma would have to be Scottish, and this was never suggested by any writer.
I don't know exactly where. Maybe Gilles Maurice introduced this concept. I think it comes from the fact that Gideon is not a popular character out of Italy and people sometimes invent what they don't know.
I don't think Scarpa has never told Scrooge and Grandma Duck are siblings. Rota did and probably Martina too, but I'm quite sure Scarpa never did.
I like to think of Taliaferro as canon to Taliaferro, and Barks as canon to Barks. :)
That's reasonable. ;)
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhere exactly did the notion of Gideon being Scrooge's half-brother originate? Was it inspired by, or did it inspire Van Horn's back story for Rumpus?
Also, did Scarpa ever hint that Grandma and Scrooge were siblings? Before Rosa's tree, I always thought this was the case. For this to work, though, Grandma would have to be Scottish, and this was never suggested by any writer.
I don't know exactly where. Maybe Gilles Maurice introduced this concept. I think it comes from the fact that Gideon is not a popular character out of Italy and people sometimes invent what they don't know.
I don't think Scarpa has never told Scrooge and Grandma Duck are siblings. Rota did and probably Martina too, but I'm quite sure Scarpa never did.
Roger North
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 34 -
2012-04-12 at 20:02:23
Marco Rota and Guido Martina thought that Scrooge and Grandma were siblings until Don Rosa killed that myth with The meeting of Hortense and Quackmore in The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Part 10.
Lars Jensen
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 35 -
2012-04-12 at 20:15:27
Quote from user: Roger NorthMarco Rota and Guido Martina thought that Scrooge and Grandma were siblings until Don Rosa killed that myth with The meeting of Hortense and Quackmore in The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Part 10.
It wasn't a myth, anymore than Hortense meeting Quackmore is a myth. And Don Rosa didn't kill it.
There are very few absolute truths in Disney Duck comics. Mostly there are just a lot of opinions.
It wasn't a myth, anymore than Hortense meeting Quackmore is a myth. And Don Rosa didn't kill it.
There are very few absolute truths in Disney Duck comics. Mostly there are just a lot of opinions.
Sim
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 36 -
2012-04-12 at 20:21:37
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Roger NorthMarco Rota and Guido Martina thought that Scrooge and Grandma were siblings until Don Rosa killed that myth with The meeting of Hortense and Quackmore in The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Part 10.
It wasn't a myth, anymore than Hortense meeting Quackmore is a myth. And Don Rosa didn't kill it.
There are very few absolute truths in Disney Duck comics. Mostly there are just a lot of opinions.
Haha!
I have a lot of respect for Lars Jensen. He taught me that Rosa stories are just a lot of bul*****s! ;)
I'm kidding - obviously - as I said earlier on this topic the only thing that is certain in Duck universe is that Donald has got a rich uncle and three nasty nephews, a grandma and a girlfriend.
It wasn't a myth, anymore than Hortense meeting Quackmore is a myth. And Don Rosa didn't kill it.
There are very few absolute truths in Disney Duck comics. Mostly there are just a lot of opinions.
Haha!
I have a lot of respect for Lars Jensen. He taught me that Rosa stories are just a lot of bul*****s! ;)
I'm kidding - obviously - as I said earlier on this topic the only thing that is certain in Duck universe is that Donald has got a rich uncle and three nasty nephews, a grandma and a girlfriend.
Lars Jensen
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 37 -
2012-04-12 at 20:31:02
Quote from user: SimI have a lot of respect for Lars Jensen. He taught me that Rosa stories are just a lot of bul*****s! ;)
You're trying to get me into trouble, aren't you? :)
(And just to make clear to everyone out there: Sim was indeed joking. I have huge respect for all the love and hard work Don has put into his stories.)
You're trying to get me into trouble, aren't you? :)
(And just to make clear to everyone out there: Sim was indeed joking. I have huge respect for all the love and hard work Don has put into his stories.)
Roger North
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 38 -
2012-04-13 at 11:58:31
I guess people will believe that they want to believe.
Lars Jensen
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 39 -
2012-04-13 at 12:14:32
Quote from user: Roger NorthI guess people will believe that they want to believe.
Exactly. And they should be allowed to do so.
Exactly. And they should be allowed to do so.
Roger North
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 40 -
2012-04-13 at 16:04:56
Don't get me wrong I don't think there is anything wrong with that but I think this subject is starting a little too controversial.
Lars Jensen
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 41 -
2012-04-13 at 16:54:22
Quote from user: Roger NorthDon't get me wrong I don't think there is anything wrong with that but I think this subject is starting a little too controversial.
You believe it's controversial to say that Scrooge has a brother? Or am I misunderstanding you?
You believe it's controversial to say that Scrooge has a brother? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Gyro Gearloose
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 42 -
2012-04-13 at 16:58:26
Quote from user: Roger NorthDon't get me wrong I don't think there is anything wrong with that but I think this subject is starting a little too controversial.
Rog, if anything is making the subject too "controversial," it's your use of loaded phrases like "Rosa killed that myth." It's statements like this on the part of Rosa fans that tend to put up the back of a lot of Duck fans--who might enjoy many of Rosa's individual stories, but don't like the way he's treated as the Sayer of the Law where other people's characters are concerned. For the record, I think it makes sense to have Grandma and Scrooge be unrelated (mainly because Scrooge is very Scottish while Grandman is as "American as apple pie"), but I can also see how the Italians could reasonably extrapolate that they're siblings. Grandma is almost certainly intended to be Donald's mother in Taliaferro's comic strips, and Tony Strobl's "This is your life, Donald Duck" story indicates the same. Controversial or not, this is an interesting topic and I see no reason to discontinue it.
Rog, if anything is making the subject too "controversial," it's your use of loaded phrases like "Rosa killed that myth." It's statements like this on the part of Rosa fans that tend to put up the back of a lot of Duck fans--who might enjoy many of Rosa's individual stories, but don't like the way he's treated as the Sayer of the Law where other people's characters are concerned. For the record, I think it makes sense to have Grandma and Scrooge be unrelated (mainly because Scrooge is very Scottish while Grandman is as "American as apple pie"), but I can also see how the Italians could reasonably extrapolate that they're siblings. Grandma is almost certainly intended to be Donald's mother in Taliaferro's comic strips, and Tony Strobl's "This is your life, Donald Duck" story indicates the same. Controversial or not, this is an interesting topic and I see no reason to discontinue it.
Baar Baar Jinx
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 43 -
2012-04-13 at 17:44:27
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseIt's statements like this on the part of Rosa fans that tend to put up the back of a lot of Duck fans--who might enjoy many of Rosa's individual stories, but don't like the way he's treated as the Sayer of the Law where other people's characters are concerned. .
I admit I'm personally somewhat guilty of giving Rosa's views more credence than anyone else's, although I'm starting to come around. Is there a similar tendency in Europe to give Rosa's version of events precedence, or are other writers' views respected more?
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseGrandma is almost certainly intended to be Donald's mother in Taliaferro's comic strips, and Tony Strobl's "This is your life, Donald Duck" story indicates the same.
Not being familiar with the full body of Taliaferro's work, I wonder if someone could point out examples where there are hints that Grandma is Donald's mother? I'm assuming it was never explicitly stated. I never really got the impression that "This is your life, Donald Duck" was trying to say that Grandma was Donald's mother, only that she raised him. Is the Taliaferro scenario similar?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Roger NorthDon't get me wrong I don't think there is anything wrong with that but I think this subject is starting a little too controversial.
You believe it's controversial to say that Scrooge has a brother? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I think he just means it's not politically correct ;).
I admit I'm personally somewhat guilty of giving Rosa's views more credence than anyone else's, although I'm starting to come around. Is there a similar tendency in Europe to give Rosa's version of events precedence, or are other writers' views respected more?
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseGrandma is almost certainly intended to be Donald's mother in Taliaferro's comic strips, and Tony Strobl's "This is your life, Donald Duck" story indicates the same.
Not being familiar with the full body of Taliaferro's work, I wonder if someone could point out examples where there are hints that Grandma is Donald's mother? I'm assuming it was never explicitly stated. I never really got the impression that "This is your life, Donald Duck" was trying to say that Grandma was Donald's mother, only that she raised him. Is the Taliaferro scenario similar?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Roger NorthDon't get me wrong I don't think there is anything wrong with that but I think this subject is starting a little too controversial.
You believe it's controversial to say that Scrooge has a brother? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I think he just means it's not politically correct ;).
Roger North
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 44 -
2012-04-13 at 19:32:09
No That's not what I meant. I meant that the conversation is causing too many arguments is all.
Furienna
Uncle Scrooge has a brother!!!
Message 45 -
2012-04-13 at 21:29:15
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxAlso, did Scarpa ever hint that Grandma and Scrooge were siblings? Before Rosa's tree, I always thought this was the case. For this to work, though, Grandma would have to be Scottish, and this was never suggested by any writer.
Even though I have read a story, where Scrooge and Grandma Duck are siblings, I think most writers have them be unrelated to each other, except through marriage.
Even though I have read a story, where Scrooge and Grandma Duck are siblings, I think most writers have them be unrelated to each other, except through marriage.