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Topic: Barks' Bear Book
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Robb_K
Barks' Bear Book
Message 31 -
2011-09-10 at 17:39:03
My last Amazon update was that it will be shipped to me to arrive December 12th. I am VERY disappointed that it will not include the 3 Happy Hound stories and the two Benny Burro solo stories. What is the point in leaving out Barks' MGM/Our Gang stories? I can understand the one Warner Brothers story being left out because of the problem of obtaining the rights.
Andrea
Barks' Bear Book
Message 32 -
2011-09-11 at 02:06:45
Me too! What is the point in selling this kind of book if not with all stories?
Are they going to make another one?
Are they going to make another one?
David K
Barks' Bear Book
Message 33 -
2011-09-11 at 02:17:53
It's completely pointless and stupid.
Joakim Gunnarsson
Barks' Bear Book
Message 34 -
2011-09-11 at 14:17:48
Quote from user: David KopsIt's completely pointless and stupid.
Have you asked Craig about the reason for not including these stories before writing what you just did?
Have you asked Craig about the reason for not including these stories before writing what you just did?
Gyro Gearloose
Barks' Bear Book
Message 35 -
2011-09-11 at 15:42:37
I suspect some kind of strange copyright issues are involved--perhaps the "Bear Book" title only allows the stories featuring Barney Bear to be used? That's goofy enough to be possible.
Robb_K
Barks' Bear Book
Message 36 -
2011-09-12 at 07:00:13
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseI suspect some kind of strange copyright issues are involved--perhaps the "Bear Book" title only allows the stories featuring Barney Bear to be used? That's goofy enough to be possible.
I don't see how that situation would apply in this case. Those characters are all licensed from whoever got MGM's cartoon rights (isn't Warner/Turner?-which would be Time/Warner?). I was with Turner Feature Animation when Turner had bought out MGM's film library (including the cartoons). Then, we were bought out by Warner Brothers, and I moved to Warner Brothers Feature Animation. If Time/Warner owns BOTH, then, EVEN Barks' Porky Pig story should have been fairly easy to have its rights obtained from the same source as the MGM. The ONLY Barks non-Disney story that would be difficult to add would be The Andy Panda.
Just an aside: Who now possesses the rights to Walter Lantz published materials?
I don't see how that situation would apply in this case. Those characters are all licensed from whoever got MGM's cartoon rights (isn't Warner/Turner?-which would be Time/Warner?). I was with Turner Feature Animation when Turner had bought out MGM's film library (including the cartoons). Then, we were bought out by Warner Brothers, and I moved to Warner Brothers Feature Animation. If Time/Warner owns BOTH, then, EVEN Barks' Porky Pig story should have been fairly easy to have its rights obtained from the same source as the MGM. The ONLY Barks non-Disney story that would be difficult to add would be The Andy Panda.
Just an aside: Who now possesses the rights to Walter Lantz published materials?
Robb_K
Barks' Bear Book
Message 37 -
2011-09-12 at 07:16:03
Speaking of Barks' Walter Lantz story, got me thinking of Freddy Milton's Woody Woodpecker stories (comic book and albums). They are VERY Barkslike! I have them all in the Danish (plus the couple printed only in Norway), as well as all the Dutch printings. But, unfortunately, Dutch Semic didn't print nearly all of them. So, I'd like to get the whole set in a hard bound series in English (or Dutch). I wonder if enough people would tell Kim Thompson at Fantagraphics that they'd buy a hardbound series of Milton's Woody, they might consider handling it. Kim is an old friend of Freddy's, and published his "Gnuff" series in USA in Fantagraphics' "Critters" comic book series. Come to think of it, I'd like to get a hardbound series of Gnuff in English (or Dutch) as well. The Dutch album series was cut way short, afgter only a handfull (out of the current 16 albums).
I wouldn't buy a hardbound series of various artist's Woody Woodpecker or MGM or WB characters, because I didn't like most of the Western Publishing artists' style very much. And the stories were also VERY inferior, on the whole to those of Barks, Jippes, Milton, Gulbransson, Verhagen, Scarpa and a few of the other "more modern" written Disney stories. I don't like the "more modern" WB stories (art OR story writing).
I wouldn't buy a hardbound series of various artist's Woody Woodpecker or MGM or WB characters, because I didn't like most of the Western Publishing artists' style very much. And the stories were also VERY inferior, on the whole to those of Barks, Jippes, Milton, Gulbransson, Verhagen, Scarpa and a few of the other "more modern" written Disney stories. I don't like the "more modern" WB stories (art OR story writing).
Timoro
Barks' Bear Book
Message 38 -
2011-09-12 at 19:49:56
Quote from user: Robb_KSpeaking of Barks' Walter Lantz story, got me thinking of Freddy Milton's Woody Woodpecker stories (comic book and albums). They are VERY Barkslike! I have them all in the Danish (plus the couple printed only in Norway), as well as all the Dutch printings. But, unfortunately, Dutch Semic didn't print nearly all of them. So, I'd like to get the whole set in a hard bound series in English (or Dutch).
This is off topic, but YES, they are really great! I know that couple of years ago there were plans to do that kind of collection in Egmont, but marketing people somehow calculated that there wouldn't be enough buyers for that kind of book. Sad. Freddy's Woody Woodpecker comics are really beautiful stuff.
Timo
This is off topic, but YES, they are really great! I know that couple of years ago there were plans to do that kind of collection in Egmont, but marketing people somehow calculated that there wouldn't be enough buyers for that kind of book. Sad. Freddy's Woody Woodpecker comics are really beautiful stuff.
Timo
Cacou
Barks' Bear Book
Message 39 -
2011-09-14 at 16:53:36
I see two different covers and titles at:
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-HC-Carl/dp/1600109292
Could someone clarify? Also, do the book(s) contain the Barks stories that were not published in the Menfin book (from Tom & Jerry comic, if I remember correctly). Also how's the quality?
Thanks!
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-HC-Carl/dp/1600109292
Could someone clarify? Also, do the book(s) contain the Barks stories that were not published in the Menfin book (from Tom & Jerry comic, if I remember correctly). Also how's the quality?
Thanks!
Andrea
Barks' Bear Book
Message 40 -
2011-09-14 at 17:27:50
I think it will be this
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
but I definitively still have little hope for
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-H ?¦ 1600109292
I Have the book scheduled to arrive now middle of october so I will know better by that time.
...and no, I do not thinks that Eisenberg's drawings will be there (unfortunately)
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
but I definitively still have little hope for
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-H ?¦ 1600109292
I Have the book scheduled to arrive now middle of october so I will know better by that time.
...and no, I do not thinks that Eisenberg's drawings will be there (unfortunately)
Kimba_1962
Barks' Bear Book
Message 41 -
2011-09-16 at 00:01:11
Quote from user: cacouI see two different covers and titles at:
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-HC-Carl/dp/1600109292
Could someone clarify? Also, do the book(s) contain the Barks stories that were not published in the Menfin book (from Tom & Jerry comic, if I remember correctly). Also how's the quality?
Thanks!
I got the book yesterday and the cover is that shown on the IDW web site. So, unfortunately, is the title... THE BIG BOOK OF CARL BARKS?? BARNEY BEAR reminds me all too chillingly of BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE (anyone remember that one?). The reproduction quality is for the most part excellent. Just the Barney & Benny Show here -- no solo Benny stories and no Happy Hound/Droopy. I understand the copyright issues with Andy Panda and Porky Pig, but if the B&B stories are good to go, why not the other MGM-based material? Can't be because someone REALLY likes alliteration, can it?
http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/1869/
http://www.amazon.com/Barks-Bear-Book-HC-Carl/dp/1600109292
Could someone clarify? Also, do the book(s) contain the Barks stories that were not published in the Menfin book (from Tom & Jerry comic, if I remember correctly). Also how's the quality?
Thanks!
I got the book yesterday and the cover is that shown on the IDW web site. So, unfortunately, is the title... THE BIG BOOK OF CARL BARKS?? BARNEY BEAR reminds me all too chillingly of BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE (anyone remember that one?). The reproduction quality is for the most part excellent. Just the Barney & Benny Show here -- no solo Benny stories and no Happy Hound/Droopy. I understand the copyright issues with Andy Panda and Porky Pig, but if the B&B stories are good to go, why not the other MGM-based material? Can't be because someone REALLY likes alliteration, can it?
GeoX
Barks' Bear Book
Message 42 -
2011-09-16 at 02:17:37
I know this is a somewhat selfish thing to say, but there's a part of me that's glad that this doesn't render the original, black-and-white version--for my copy of which I played a pretty penny--completely redundant.
Robb_K
Barks' Bear Book
Message 43 -
2011-09-16 at 04:02:40
Quote from user: GeoXI know this is a somewhat selfish thing to say, but there's a part of me that's glad that this doesn't render the original, black-and-white version--for my copy of which I played a pretty penny--completely redundant.
That IS selfish. But, more importantly, it is irrelevant. What you paid for the black and white version is gone money. It doesn't effect what you do now. A black and white softbound compilation of poorly-photocopied pages is a completely different product from a much larger-sized hardbound colour version of the same stories (even if ALL the stories would have been included).
I have the black and white book, and I don't mind paying for a deluxe hardbound colour version. But I resent the fact that the other MGM stories are not included. I'd certainly have paid the extra amount it would have cost to have them included. I have all those stories in colour in the Danish Tom & Jerry original comics. But, I want a hardbound, nicely coloured book, with big pages in English or Dutch. I have a couple Danish Albums of Barks' Barney Bear series. But, I want the whole series in a nice, hardbound colour format.
That IS selfish. But, more importantly, it is irrelevant. What you paid for the black and white version is gone money. It doesn't effect what you do now. A black and white softbound compilation of poorly-photocopied pages is a completely different product from a much larger-sized hardbound colour version of the same stories (even if ALL the stories would have been included).
I have the black and white book, and I don't mind paying for a deluxe hardbound colour version. But I resent the fact that the other MGM stories are not included. I'd certainly have paid the extra amount it would have cost to have them included. I have all those stories in colour in the Danish Tom & Jerry original comics. But, I want a hardbound, nicely coloured book, with big pages in English or Dutch. I have a couple Danish Albums of Barks' Barney Bear series. But, I want the whole series in a nice, hardbound colour format.
GeoX
Barks' Bear Book
Message 44 -
2011-09-16 at 06:17:05
Quote:That IS selfish. But, more importantly, it is irrelevant. What you paid for the black and white version is gone money. It doesn't effect what you do now.
Yes, but I would have felt obliged to buy the new version if it were comprehensive, wouldn't I? Not that I would have minded--my gladness to own a complete, high-quality collection would have been much greater than my momentary irritation at having to shell out more money--but it's certainly relevant to my current, real-world purchasing decisions.
Yes, but I would have felt obliged to buy the new version if it were comprehensive, wouldn't I? Not that I would have minded--my gladness to own a complete, high-quality collection would have been much greater than my momentary irritation at having to shell out more money--but it's certainly relevant to my current, real-world purchasing decisions.
Cacou
Barks' Bear Book
Message 45 -
2011-09-16 at 07:17:57
So the three Droopy 8-pages stories (Barks script only) from "Tom and Jerry Winter Carnival 1" and 2 (1952-1953) and from "Tom and Jerry Summer Fun 1" (1953), with art by Harvey Eisenberg, aren't there? sadly it seems the Menfin book, which contains the Happy Hound story, is more complete (albeit the poor quality).