I wish we were all as "smug, self-conscious" and "overestimated" as Don Rosa.
Don, if you're reading this, I hope you pay no attention to your detractors??and they know who they are. By now it's self-evident that it's just class envy.
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Topic: Don Rosa
(102 messages)
Morequack
Don Rosa
Message 16 -
2010-03-08 at 17:21:22
Lars Jensen
Don Rosa
Message 17 -
2010-03-08 at 18:48:42
Quote from user: MorequackI wish we were all as "smug, self-conscious" and "overestimated" as Don Rosa.
Don, if you're reading this, I hope you pay no attention to your detractors??and they know who they are. By now it's self-evident that it's just class envy.
I don't get the comment "they know who they are". You're referring to Dia-Dia, right? I should hope he/she knows he/she is critical of Don Rosa. Just look at the first post in this thread. Not exactly subtle.
Don, if you're reading this, I hope you pay no attention to your detractors??and they know who they are. By now it's self-evident that it's just class envy.
I don't get the comment "they know who they are". You're referring to Dia-Dia, right? I should hope he/she knows he/she is critical of Don Rosa. Just look at the first post in this thread. Not exactly subtle.
Mcduck_Enterprises
Don Rosa
Message 18 -
2010-03-08 at 18:56:05
Perhaps, Morequack is referencing that there are more detractors than just this thread starter here - and they know who they are.
But, there are just as many fans of Don Rosa - and they know who they are.....
So, to sum up.....everyone knows who they are....or do they?
But, there are just as many fans of Don Rosa - and they know who they are.....
So, to sum up.....everyone knows who they are....or do they?
Lars Jensen
Don Rosa
Message 19 -
2010-03-08 at 19:08:44
Quote from user: Mcduck_EnterprisesPerhaps, Morequack is referencing that there are more detractors than just this thread starter here - and they know who they are.
Hmmm... Maybe. But who?! Sigvald, Roger, Kneon, GeoX and you have to varying degrees defended Don, while Cacou, Charlie Brown and I have stayed out of it. I can't really see who the detractors would be in this thread (apart from Dia-Dia, of course). Perhaps Morequack is referring to another message board.
Hmmm... Maybe. But who?! Sigvald, Roger, Kneon, GeoX and you have to varying degrees defended Don, while Cacou, Charlie Brown and I have stayed out of it. I can't really see who the detractors would be in this thread (apart from Dia-Dia, of course). Perhaps Morequack is referring to another message board.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Don Rosa
Message 20 -
2010-03-08 at 20:02:51
Just a question: why does Dia-Dia have to start a topic with a massive post in which I can't understand the half, just to make clear he doesn't like Don Rosa? So what? Why would I want to know? I don't. But now I do: Dia-Dia doesn't like Don Rosa. I don't give a duck about it.
Morequack
Don Rosa
Message 21 -
2010-03-08 at 20:02:56
I suppose whom I believe to be Don-detractors isn't worth a lick; and is not an issue for which I really have the energy to engage in a debate??again. Sometimes the line is blurred. And so I took the easy road with my loaded observation of 'they know who they are.' But clearly, the instigator of the discussion is an 'evil-doer.' So, as an addendum to my original response, and as far as the players of this forum are concerned, my envy accusation applies to him alone.
Mcduck_Enterprises
Don Rosa
Message 22 -
2010-03-08 at 20:40:19
Hi, my name's Matt and I like Don Rosa's art and stories.
Sirredknee
Don Rosa
Message 23 -
2010-03-08 at 21:06:21
I'm Frank and I'm a Rosa-detractor. And I know who I am. :)
Kneon
Don Rosa
Message 24 -
2010-03-08 at 21:20:25
I'll echo what GeoX said... if you don't like a particular creator's work (be it Don Rosa or someone else) then don't read it or buy it. It's as simple as that!
As a creator... when you produce something for mass consumption, you open your work up to criticism. It goes with the territory. The more famous the work, the more detractors there will be simply because more people are exposed to it. However, the fellow who started this thread seems to have a bone to pick with Rosa *personally* that goes above just a dislike for his work. At least that's the way I read it...?
If you spend enough time on Google, you can probably find Don Rosa's e-mail. The "proper" thing to do would be to at least tell him to his face (or cyber-face) that he's "smug, self-conscious and overestimated" (you meant overrated, right?) I really don't see the need to start a thread over here just to publicly insult the man. It's an ugly thing to do, even if you don't care for his work.
As a creator... when you produce something for mass consumption, you open your work up to criticism. It goes with the territory. The more famous the work, the more detractors there will be simply because more people are exposed to it. However, the fellow who started this thread seems to have a bone to pick with Rosa *personally* that goes above just a dislike for his work. At least that's the way I read it...?
If you spend enough time on Google, you can probably find Don Rosa's e-mail. The "proper" thing to do would be to at least tell him to his face (or cyber-face) that he's "smug, self-conscious and overestimated" (you meant overrated, right?) I really don't see the need to start a thread over here just to publicly insult the man. It's an ugly thing to do, even if you don't care for his work.
Morequack
Don Rosa
Message 25 -
2010-03-08 at 22:26:31
Quote from user: sirredkneeI'm Frank and I'm a Rosa-detractor. And I know who I am. :)
That makes two German detractors who know themselves well enough (unless they're both one and the same). For anyone who's counting...
That makes two German detractors who know themselves well enough (unless they're both one and the same). For anyone who's counting...
Kcduck
Don Rosa
Message 26 -
2010-03-09 at 02:59:01
Quote from user: KneonI'll echo what GeoX said... if you don't like a particular creator's work (be it Don Rosa or someone else) then don't read it or buy it. It's as simple as that!
As a creator... when you produce something for mass consumption, you open your work up to criticism. It goes with the territory. The more famous the work, the more detractors there will be simply because more people are exposed to it. However, the fellow who started this thread seems to have a bone to pick with Rosa *personally* that goes above just a dislike for his work. At least that's the way I read it...?
If you spend enough time on Google, you can probably find Don Rosa's e-mail. The "proper" thing to do would be to at least tell him to his face (or cyber-face) that he's "smug, self-conscious and overestimated" (you meant overrated, right?) I really don't see the need to start a thread over here just to publicly insult the man. It's an ugly thing to do, even if you don't care for his work.
Well stated, Kneon. Don Rosa was a true breath of fresh air in reviving interest in the Duck Family in the United States in the 1980's. I still remember purchasing my copy of Uncle Scrooge 219 off the rack and was so thrilled with the artistic merit of the piece and the enthusiasm it showed. I still remember the excitement I had that there were NEW stories of Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck being told once again. I am not an artistic scholar on par with many others on this forum but to detract from the value and importance of Don Rosa is somewhat short-sighted in my opinion.Pr
As a creator... when you produce something for mass consumption, you open your work up to criticism. It goes with the territory. The more famous the work, the more detractors there will be simply because more people are exposed to it. However, the fellow who started this thread seems to have a bone to pick with Rosa *personally* that goes above just a dislike for his work. At least that's the way I read it...?
If you spend enough time on Google, you can probably find Don Rosa's e-mail. The "proper" thing to do would be to at least tell him to his face (or cyber-face) that he's "smug, self-conscious and overestimated" (you meant overrated, right?) I really don't see the need to start a thread over here just to publicly insult the man. It's an ugly thing to do, even if you don't care for his work.
Well stated, Kneon. Don Rosa was a true breath of fresh air in reviving interest in the Duck Family in the United States in the 1980's. I still remember purchasing my copy of Uncle Scrooge 219 off the rack and was so thrilled with the artistic merit of the piece and the enthusiasm it showed. I still remember the excitement I had that there were NEW stories of Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck being told once again. I am not an artistic scholar on par with many others on this forum but to detract from the value and importance of Don Rosa is somewhat short-sighted in my opinion.Pr
Robb_K
Don Rosa
Message 27 -
2010-03-09 at 03:28:45
I don't care for Don Rosa's storywriting or drawing style or drawing capability. And, I don't like the fact that (due mainly to others' interpretation of his Duck-related timelines), Scrooge's life experience possibilities are limited because there are almost no gaps in which other events could have occurred.
But I certainly don't judge Rosa as a person, based on those factors, or the fact that he and a friendly acquaintance of mine (Carl Barks) had their differences. I won't slander him because of those reasons. I do not know enough about that man to make judgements about his alleged smugness, egocentricity or self-consciousnes, and his alleged use of "insane" statements.
I can relate to an analysis of Rosa's work. But I don't see the point in trying to analyse his personal character based on his public image, and things said about him in print, along with personal feelings based on differences in taste from his. The use of some wording on this thread is tantamount to legal slander. Had I had such "opinions", I would have phrased them in a much different manner, related to his work and working methods, rather than his motivation and personal character.
But I certainly don't judge Rosa as a person, based on those factors, or the fact that he and a friendly acquaintance of mine (Carl Barks) had their differences. I won't slander him because of those reasons. I do not know enough about that man to make judgements about his alleged smugness, egocentricity or self-consciousnes, and his alleged use of "insane" statements.
I can relate to an analysis of Rosa's work. But I don't see the point in trying to analyse his personal character based on his public image, and things said about him in print, along with personal feelings based on differences in taste from his. The use of some wording on this thread is tantamount to legal slander. Had I had such "opinions", I would have phrased them in a much different manner, related to his work and working methods, rather than his motivation and personal character.
Roger North
Don Rosa
Message 28 -
2010-03-09 at 12:25:38
Well Said Robb. You actually met Carl Barks? You are so lucky. I never got to meet Carl Barks or any other Disney Comics Artist. The closest I came to meeting one was when I E-mailed Don Rosa a few times. I don't know him enough to judge him as a person but I think he is a good artist and a good storyteller.
Morequack
Don Rosa
Message 29 -
2010-03-10 at 06:26:26
Quote from user: kcduckDon Rosa was a true breath of fresh air in reviving interest in the Duck Family in the United States in the 1980's. I still remember purchasing my copy of Uncle Scrooge 219 off the rack and was so thrilled with the artistic merit of the piece and the enthusiasm it showed. I still remember the excitement I had that there were NEW stories of Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck being told once again. I am not an artistic scholar on par with many others on this forum but to detract from the value and importance of Don Rosa is somewhat short-sighted in my opinion.Pr
kcduck, here's my 'smug, self-conscious, overestimated' two pennies on the matter--lifted from an earlier DCF post, but apropos here since the golden opportunity has presented itself:
For the past two decades we Duck fans in America--and throughout the world--have enjoyed a marvelous renaissance of the highest quality stories since the vintage Barks of the 1950s.
And we have Keno Don Rosa to thank for that.
How many other living writers of Duck adventure stories have inspired the reader to utter words like "Amazing story!"?
Don Rosa's stories are truly amazing, both in their telling and their art.
But now Rosa's retirement from "telling" stories, as quietly but as suddenly as a clock stops ticking, has triggered something fearful. It is the start of an expanding black hole in the Duck Universe, the early stages of which are only now beginning to be noticed.
It won't be at all like that awful emptiness of content in American Disney comics that spanned the twin decades of the mid 1960s through the mid 1980s. Other creative talent will fill the pages of the [Disney] books as they will continue to churn out foreign reprints along with those of Barks and Rosa and some others. But gone is the epic talent that fostered such an exciting volley of classics as we've enjoyed since that first shot heard around the world:"The Son of the Sun."
No more.
kcduck, here's my 'smug, self-conscious, overestimated' two pennies on the matter--lifted from an earlier DCF post, but apropos here since the golden opportunity has presented itself:
For the past two decades we Duck fans in America--and throughout the world--have enjoyed a marvelous renaissance of the highest quality stories since the vintage Barks of the 1950s.
And we have Keno Don Rosa to thank for that.
How many other living writers of Duck adventure stories have inspired the reader to utter words like "Amazing story!"?
Don Rosa's stories are truly amazing, both in their telling and their art.
But now Rosa's retirement from "telling" stories, as quietly but as suddenly as a clock stops ticking, has triggered something fearful. It is the start of an expanding black hole in the Duck Universe, the early stages of which are only now beginning to be noticed.
It won't be at all like that awful emptiness of content in American Disney comics that spanned the twin decades of the mid 1960s through the mid 1980s. Other creative talent will fill the pages of the [Disney] books as they will continue to churn out foreign reprints along with those of Barks and Rosa and some others. But gone is the epic talent that fostered such an exciting volley of classics as we've enjoyed since that first shot heard around the world:"The Son of the Sun."
No more.
Roger North
Don Rosa
Message 30 -
2010-03-10 at 12:19:44
Morequack I don't know if you're aware but Gemstone is not publishing Disney comics anymore Boom Studios is. Maybe a third generation artist will fill the gap as Don Rosa once did for Carl Barks.