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Topic: Don Rosa

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Morequack
Thanks, Roger. I had written the above awhile ago and simply copied and pasted. I just corrected the oversight.
Kneon
Quote from user: Roger NorthMaybe a third generation artist will fill the gap as Don Rosa once did for Carl Barks.
I've often wondered about this, and I'm not sure it will happen. Not in the near future, anyway.

Being in my early 30s, I suppose my generation would be the next in line to produce Duck stories. In the U.S., however, the Ducks just didn't resonate with nearly as many in this generation as they did in Don Rosa's. Sure, we had the DuckTales and Darkwing Duck cartoons, but Disney comics were very hard to come by when I was a kid.

I'm somewhat ashamed to admit it, but I didn't become an avid reader of Disney comics myself until I started freelancing for Gemstone. Like much of my generation, I read Spider-Man, X-Men, etc. growing up. My peers went on to work on those titles (or something similar.) But I can count on one hand the number of American creators I know who are about my age that have any interest whatsoever in doing classic Disney comics.

With no apparent heirs lined up, and with Boom seemingly pulling from years of unpublished (in America) Italian stories, I wouldn't expect a successor to Rosa and Van Horn to appear anytime soon.

And that does make me sad. :(
Rodney
I've met Don a few times. Even went to his house for an afternoon once. I think it's fair to say that he is aware of how appreciated his work is, but in my personal experiences have not found him to be smug or self-conscious. I do not find him to be "over estimated" either, but if he was, that would be the fault of those reading his stories, not himself.
Roger North
You're Welcome Morequack. I don't know Kneon anything is possible at this point. I'm in my thirties too and when I was a kid you could buy a Disney Comic wherever comic books were sold. Back then I bought any Disney comic that I got my hands on. That's how it was until 1998. I started reading them in 1987 but I didn't turn hardcore until the end of 1991. I have every Disney Comics issue from 1992 to 1994. It was a lot easier to get them back then than it is now. They sold like hotcakes back in the late 80s and the 90's. At least in my city.
Dan_Shane
As far as people knowing who they are, astute readers can also detect who the detractors really are as well. I cannot imagine anything more pathetic than a someone inventing new identities for himself so it can appear that the number of people espousing his useless tirades is greater than it really is.

Are you reading this, Daniel?

But this forum only encourages such abuse in the first place. No account is tied to a real person even by a genuine e-mail address, so I could create as many names for myself as I want and post the most idiotic drivel imaginable without fear of reprisal. Oh, that administrator is going to deleted my account? Boo-hoo, I will just make a new one and return to my practice of mean-spirited attacks.

It's truly a shame to see one of the last online resources for discussion of Disney comics descend into the pits of degradation that DCF has, but that happened long, long ago.

-- Dan Shane --
(not afraid to use my real name)
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Dan_ShaneAs far as people knowing who they are, astute readers can also detect who the detractors really are as well. I cannot imagine anything more pathetic than a someone inventing new identities for himself so it can appear that the number of people espousing his useless tirades is greater than it really is.

Are you reading this, Daniel?

But this forum only encourages such abuse in the first place. No account is tied to a real person even by a genuine e-mail address, so I could create as many names for myself as I want and post the most idiotic drivel imaginable without fear of reprisal. Oh, that administrator is going to deleted my account? Boo-hoo, I will just make a new one and return to my practice of mean-spirited attacks.

It's truly a shame to see one of the last online resources for discussion of Disney comics descend into the pits of degradation that DCF has, but that happened long, long ago.

-- Dan Shane --
(not afraid to use my real name)

Let's not get melodramatic here, Dn. One person (Dia-Dia) posts something negative about Don Rosa, and a bunch of people subsequently disagree with Dia-Dia. That doesn't exactly make the DCF into "the pits of degradation", in my opinion.

But I agree that DCF posts could be taken much more seriously if they were posted under the author's real name.
Kneon
Quote from user: Roger NorthYou're Welcome Morequack. I don't know Kneon anything is possible at this point. I'm in my thirties too and when I was a kid you could buy a Disney Comic wherever comic books were sold. Back then I bought any Disney comic that I got my hands on. That's how it was until 1998. I started reading them in 1987 but I didn't turn hardcore until the end of 1991. I have every Disney Comics issue from 1992 to 1994. It was a lot easier to get them back then than it is now. They sold like hotcakes back in the late 80s and the 90's. At least in my city.
Wow... that's great to hear, but it wasn't the case where I grew up. We had 2 or 3 comic book shops in town, and if they carried Disney books, they were buried under a mountain of Marvel and DC and certainly not promoted very well. Seems to me I remember seeing the occasional Disney Comics book like 'The Little Mermaid' or whatnot, but no self-respecting preteen boy would've been caught buying a copy of that. ;)
Dan_Shane
Quote from user: Lars JensenLet's not get melodramatic here, Dn. One person (Dia-Dia) posts something negative about Don Rosa, and a bunch of people subsequently disagree with Dia-Dia. That doesn't exactly make the DCF into "the pits of degradation", in my opinion.

But I agree that DCF posts could be taken much more seriously if they were posted under the author's real name.

Lars, the melodrama began with the first post in this thread. The administrator should not allow personal attacks, and no decent forum or newsgroup does. There is such a thing as "netiquette."

Objections to quality of art, writing, or workmanship are acceptable and par for the course, but the title of this thread reveals a lot more about Dia-Dia than it ever could about Rosa. A quality admin would delete the initial post and close the thread immediately as inflammatory and obtuse.

And I do find it amusing that the person who said he was going to "stay out of it" has contributed so many remarks in this thread.

--Dan Shane --
(smug, self-conscious, and overestimated -- there, I said it first)
Rodney
We all know that Dia-Dia is Daniel, who is continuing his anti-Rosa crusade. Let's not pretend that we don't know this.
Ksaarto
Quote from user: KneonIf I'm reading this correctly, Dia-Dia, the biggest bone you have to pick with Don Rosa seems to be that he simply doesn't like to draw Mickey Mouse. It's his personal preference as a creator, and he's entitled to his opinion.
Exactly. I don't find Mickey very interesting as a character either. There have been some excellent Mickey-stories over the years, but as Kneon points out, they are rarely using his character (he is just mostly annoying, know-it-all, do-good'er), most of those stories would worked as well with some other characters.

If I were to write a Disney-story, I'd rather do it about characters' that I love, and not about those that I do not like. Rosa has said many times that he doesn't hate Mickey, so I think he prefers ducks just because he grew up with them, and probably could not write as well about the Mouse. (Actually he has used Mickey at least in that one unpublished story taking place in Walt Disney World that Disney Company did not buy after all).

To Dia-Dia: Everyone is entitled to his own preferences about stories and storytellers, but using such degrading words as you did in the title (as your first post here) makes it sound like you just want to troll around. Not cool. Its everyone's own business how they use their talents. Saying that someone is smug and overestimated just because they don't like to draw Mickey Mouse is rubbish.

Dan: I see how you make the connection, but Daniel at leasts knows that Barks wrote a Mickey-story. If there is a conspiracy of one or more persons logging in with several aliases just to rant about our mutual friend, then its so sad that I don't even want to know about it... Like you, I don't understand these people either.

I could rant about 80% of writers and artists to some extend. Most of the Dutch stuff is IMO so much below the par, that those guys should not be allowed within 10 feet of a pen and a paper. Yet, I have no need to make cheap personal attacks against them. Some other people like their stuff, so more power to them.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Dan_ShaneThe administrator should not allow personal attacks, and no decent forum or newsgroup does. There is such a thing as "netiquette."
Since I began visiting Disney comics-related message boards and mailing lists, I've seen plenty of personal attacks on Disney creators, so I can't get too upset over this one. Is the thread title right on the border of what is, in my opinion, acceptable? Yes. But that's as far as it goes. Again: in my opinion.

Quote from user: Dan_ShaneAnd I do find it amusing that the person who said he was going to "stay out of it" has contributed so many remarks in this thread.
Yes, I'm kinda surprised myself. Note that I haven't come down on either side, though. I find it much more interesting to witness a dogfight than to be in one. :)
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: ksaartoI don't find Mickey very interesting as a character either. There have been some excellent Mickey-stories over the years, but as Kneon points out, they are rarely using his character (he is just mostly annoying, know-it-all, do-good'er)
Mickey Mouse hasn't been portrayed like that in Egmont comics for more than 15 years. One could argue: more than 20.

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Cacou
Quote from user: Dan_ShaneThe administrator should not allow personal attacks, and no decent forum or newsgroup does. There is such a thing as "netiquette."
The title in this context refers to Don Rosa's comics but grammatically it refers to the man. I've bring the issue with the other moderators. We have a private forum where moderators and administrators take decisions on what is to be tolerated or not. The discussion is still going on.

As for the anonymity on this forum, as you know I have no way to change that. If people were asked to give their real names, they would still be able to use fake names - those who want to use their real names may do it.

In any case, one shouldn't use messages on this forum as a way to weight an artist' popularity as, as you write, people are able to create multiple accounts.
Cacou
Please do not try to draw hypothesis on the real identity (or any personal detail) of the man/woman behind a pseudo. This is not of interest. I've removed one such sentence but just stopped when I saw that there were others.
Morequack
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Dan_ShaneAnd I do find it amusing that the person who said he was going to "stay out of it" has contributed so many remarks in this thread.
Yes, I'm kinda surprised myself. Note that I haven't come down on either side, though. I find it much more interesting to witness a dogfight than to be in one. :)

Sometimes it's fun getting your hands dirty.
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