Before this list existed list member Harry Fluks expressed interest in
the index of Dutch comics published by Gladstone in the latest issue
of NAFS(k)uriren when I mentioned it to him. I promised to type it
in, and now that I've done it I'll send it to the list instead, in
case anyone else is interested.
Issue Pgs Code Creators Title
======================================================================
MaD 2 5 GP/MM1 DJ MM "Raven Mad"
17 7 H 87178 JK/DR DD "Give Unto Others"
DD 247 10 H 7935 VR DD "(Poet Story)"
249 10 H 8034 VR DD "The Soul of Science"
251 10 H 8154 VR DD "Sorry, Sorry Knight"
253 10 H 8222 OP/BV DD "Journey Through the Center of the Earth"
258 10 H 8011 FM/DJ-FM DD "Sauce for the Duck"
260 10 H 8020 VR DD "No Man's Island"
263 3 H 86119 OP GG "Double Incentive"
270 5 H 8477 OP DD "Stress for Success"
276 3 H 8755 OP GD untitled
277 11 H 8684 OP/FM DD "Garden Victory"
278 3 H 87112 JK/DR DaD "Forget Me Not"
DDA 1 16 H 8365 OP/BV DD "Isabella"
5 16 H 8356 OP/BV DD "Voyage to Moonbase One"
17 20 H 86231 BV DD "Curse of the Lost Empress"
19 39 H 8706 JK/BV DD "In the Footsteps of Jules Verne"
WDC 511 10 H 7418 DJ/DJ/BV DD "Donald the Do-Gooder"
512 10 H 763 DJ-FM/DJ-FM/BV DD "The Success Test"
513 10 H 786 DJ-FM/DJ-FM/BV DD untitled
514 10 H 7910 DJ-FM/DJ-FM/FM DD untitled
515 10 H 771 DJ-FM DD "A Clean Case of Competence"
516 10 H 7935 DJ-FM DD untitled
517 10 H 7603 DJ-FM/DJ-FM/BV DD "The Great Survival Test"
518 10 H 7924 DJ-FM DD "Super Snooper"
520 8 H 7917 OP/DJ-BV DD "The Master's Touch"
521 10 H 83135 JK/FM DD "The Artful Dodgers"
525 9 H 8253 DJ-FM DD "The Briefcase Case"
527 10 H 85145 FM DD "Ricardo's Winter Circus"
529 10 H 85104 DJ/DJ/MN DD "Skater"
532 10 H 8225 FM DD "Scooting to Success"
534 10 H/DD 27/29 VR DD "Master Animal Trainer"
536 10 H 85158 DJ DD "A Ring for Donald"
538 10 H 86156 OP DD "No Business Like Snow Business"
542 10 H 85124 OP/FM DD "Art is A Relative Thing"
544 10 H 82106 VR/FM DD "The Tourist Trap"
547 10 H 85218 JK/DR DD "Well-Educated Duck"
U$ 227 10 H 8581 OP U$ "As You Hike It"
228 10 H 8323 OP/BV U$ "The Generosity Ray"
229 2 H 8420 OP U$ "A Tilling Tale"
238 11 H 8565 OP U$ "Ducking the Press"
240 10 H 83143 OP U$ "A raise by any Other Name"
242 1 H 87173 OP/DR U$ "Leaky Luck"
U$A 15 4 H 8463 OP GG "Back to Nature"
20 10 H 8968 DR U$ "On A Silver Platter"
21 8 H 98174 CB/DR GG "The Pied Piper of Duckburg"
When the creator column is divided in two by a "/" the first one is
the writer and the other the artist. When it's divided in three they
are writer, penciller, and inker respectively.
The creators are:
BF = Bob Foster DR = Don Rosa MN = Michel Nadorp
BV = Ben Verhagen FM = Freddy Milton MR = Mike Royer
CB = Carl Barks GC = Greg Crosby OP = Oberon Publ.
DC = Del Connell JC = Jules Coenen VR = Volker Reiche
DJ = Daan Jippes JK = Jan Kruse
The characters at the beginning of the titles are:
DD = Donald Duck GG = Gyro Gearloose GD = Grandma Duck
U$ = Uncle $crooge DaD = Daisy Duck
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Author
Topic: 199208
(81 messages)
Per Starbäck
H-coded stories published by Gladstone
Message 16 -
1992-08-06 at 20:42:00
Edward Tucker
The day Donald didn't win (again!)
Message 17 -
1992-08-06 at 21:15:47
Remember the Carl Barks Donald Duck story where Donald sets out to win a
thousand bucks to photograph an elusive woodpecker? I just read that one in the
Gladstone W. D. Comics & Stories #6(?) oversize books. I don't recall seeing
that one before, but, boy oh, boy, I had myself a good belly-laugh while reading
it. I'm glad that Gladstone is publishing all of Barks' Disney material, just
for the sake of the quality paper stock and fantastic coloring, and of course, for
the stories themselves!
--Adios!
--Ed
thousand bucks to photograph an elusive woodpecker? I just read that one in the
Gladstone W. D. Comics & Stories #6(?) oversize books. I don't recall seeing
that one before, but, boy oh, boy, I had myself a good belly-laugh while reading
it. I'm glad that Gladstone is publishing all of Barks' Disney material, just
for the sake of the quality paper stock and fantastic coloring, and of course, for
the stories themselves!
--Adios!
--Ed
Edward Tucker
Disney comics
Message 18 -
1992-08-06 at 21:24:11
Wilmer sez:
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand. it's
essential that younger readers be brought into comics books
stores if comics (or perhaps even literacy???) is to have a
future. On the other hand, Disney may conclude that its
comics line is strictly kiddy fare,
Hmmmmm...... Isn't this what Disney did when they picked up where Gladstone
left off and more or less destroyed their comic line with less than interesting
titles that are thankfully no longer being published? Let's hope that Disney
doesn't take the survey too seriously and dig another grave for themselves, just
after they managed to climb out of one and fill it up! Presently, Disney Comics
is producing some nice stuff once they cleaned out the extra-baggage titles.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that things can only go forward from here!
--Adios!
--Ed
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand. it's
essential that younger readers be brought into comics books
stores if comics (or perhaps even literacy???) is to have a
future. On the other hand, Disney may conclude that its
comics line is strictly kiddy fare,
Hmmmmm...... Isn't this what Disney did when they picked up where Gladstone
left off and more or less destroyed their comic line with less than interesting
titles that are thankfully no longer being published? Let's hope that Disney
doesn't take the survey too seriously and dig another grave for themselves, just
after they managed to climb out of one and fill it up! Presently, Disney Comics
is producing some nice stuff once they cleaned out the extra-baggage titles.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that things can only go forward from here!
--Adios!
--Ed
Rich.Bellacera
Character List
Message 19 -
1992-08-08 at 17:31:00
Per Starback says:
> Re Minnie's niece/nieces: Of course she could have had one niece
> visiting sometimes and two other nieces visiting at other times. You
> also have to choose if you want to count all Disney comics produced
> over the world, or only the American ones. If you count Gutenberghus
> characters like Tone/Tuttan, you should also look at all the
> reoccurring Mondadori characters in Italy. Tone/Tuttan appeared
> only in the sixties btw. By now I guess she lives with her parents.
> (Rich's comment:
>> Despite the fact that they [Little Toot, Hiawatha, Bongo, Scamp, Mad
>> Madam Mim, etc.] repeatedly appear in Disney Comics along with Chip'
>> Dale and others, they are usually one-shot stories that do not have
>> ties to any of the continuing themes. [...]
>
> Well... The Toot stuff *is* one of the "continuing themes". So is the
> Hiawatha stuff and the Scamp stuff. I'm just not sure what your
> criteria are for which of those themes/universes to use. As Darkwing
> Duck shares Launchpad McQuack with DuckTales and DuckTales shares lots
> of characters with the biggest most mainstream Disney universe (the
> Donald-and-Mickey one), I guess it's alright to list the DW cast, but
> whatabout Wuz, Hundred Acre Wood, the Gummi's, Cape Suzette, Bonkers!,
> Raw Toonage and Bugville? What do those locales have that Scamp's or
> Hiawatha's world doesn't?
>
> We've probably read different stories, but I would count Mad Madam Mim
> as a full-fledged member of the main Disney universe (Earth-1?). I've
> read countless stories where she meets Donald, The Beagle Boys, Chip
> 'n'Dale, Magica de Spell, etc. etc.
Sorry Per for repeating so much of the previous dialogue, but I think that you
make some very good points I hadn't originally considered. Like I said
before, this is probably one of the reasons Mr. Dave Smith of the Disney
Archives said they wouldn't do any "Who's Who" sheets on the Disney
Characters. I guess there is indeed a whole lot of controversy over defining
'what's up' in Mainstream Disney.
Let's see if I can tackle these points as carefully as possible. You
mentioned the Disney Comics produced in Sweden and Italy (Gutenberghus &
Mandadori in particular). This does indeed create a paradox when trying to
determine a listing of recurring characters as they appear in Disney Comics (&
cartoons) known and loved by readers all over the world. I must humbly admit
I haven't but the slightest knowledge of exclusive characters outside of the
continental U.S.A. My knowledge is pretty limited in this realm. :(
Therefore I guess it could (should?) be said that my list is biased toward
what I am familiar with in the U.S.A. (sorry). Perhaps a suppliment to the
list could be derived by readers familiar with these other characters under
the same specifications?
You are also quite correct in stating that Little Toot, Scamp, and Hiawatha
(and others) carry recurring themes in Disney Comics. My only contention,(and
perhaps I am wrong) is that these guys are *not* a part of what you have
termed the "Largest Disney Universe" (namely the Mickey & Donald Universe).
You have also inquired why I would include the characters of Bugsville. Well
actually, I did so because of Bucky's consistent encounters with Bootle Beetle
who is a Donald Duck co-star. Perhaps this isn't good reasoning? I just
figured that if Bucky lives in Bootle's universe, he must also live in
Donald's universe. So what about Mad Madame Mim? This one is a tad trickier.
I, too, have witness numerous visitations upon Duckburg by this witch, and her
often team-ups with the Beagle Boys. Again my main contention with this one
is that she rightfully belongs to the "Sword In the Stone" universe. But you
are right that she is a recurring character in the pages of comics. The
others like Pinocchio, Jiminy, and even Hyacinth Hippo are easy enough to
write-off because their encounters are much more happenstance (i.e. the
writers/artists are given the ability to use these cross-over characters... so
they do, no real need, just the fact that they can). Mad Madame Mim seems to
be one of the exceptions to the rule, however. I am concurrently working on a
list of all of the characters from all of the animated movies as well and I
already have her listed there, but if it is reasonable to list her in this
list, then perhaps I should.
You also asked why I listed the worlds of Cape Suzzette, Hundred Acre Woods,
Toontown, etc, as well as Mouseton & Duckburg if this list is supposed to be
about the Mickey & Donald Universe (paraphrased of course)? Actually what I
was doing was attempting to cover two bases at once. The Mickey & Donald
Universe of Comics & Cartoons and the recurring characters of the cartoons
(i.e. Tail Spin, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Gummi Bears, etc.).
The format of this list automatically excludes most of the characters
appearing in Silly Symphonies (except: Toby Tortoise, Max Hare & Jenny Wren)
and those of the other Disney Short Subjects (like Lambert the Sheepish Lion,
Goliath II, and Amos Mouse) which is why they are *not* listed (i.e. they do
not recur in any continuing themes... but I guess this isn't entirely true
since Hiawatha and Little Toot do {Scamp would of course fall under "Lady &
the Tramp"}, so perhaps I should count them, too, but as separate universes.
Only I am not too awfully familiar with these themes either. Perhaps someone
could help me.
I really appreciate your help, Per. Any suggestions? Anyone else? I would
really love to fine tune (or is that fine toon) this list so it is of the
utmost help to everyone.
Oh yah...I meant to ask you two other questions:
1) What did you mean that "you hope they haven't been reprinted outside of
Scandenavia?" :( I'd love to read some of those titles/stories that are
exclusive to foriegn markets.
2) Are there any characters in particular that you are interested in knowing
who/what they are? (you had said that that was your first question). Perhaps I
can be of some assistance. Others out there might be able to fill in gaps that
my knowledge lacks.
ALso FYI (everyone) according to Mr. Smith of the the Disney Archives John
Grant's book "The Encyclopedia of Disney's Animated Characters" has been
updated and revised and will be released sometime before Christmas. The book
is complete up to ALADDIN, but I do not know if it will cover the Disney
Afternoon's line-up. I certainly hope it does.
Here is an article from the August '92 (vol.II, No. 8) issue of PREVIEWS
(trade magazine):
"Divided into two sections --one for animated short subjects (and we don't
mean Jiminy Cricket) and the other for feature films --this encyclopedic
cartoon reference volume lovingly catalogs hundreds of delightful Disney
denizens with informative character profiles and outstanding full-color
artwork. From Mickey Mouse to Monstro the Whale to Ariel, Belle and Aladdin
--The Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters is an animation fan's
wish (upon a star) come true! (1-56282-904-1) TV&F 9x12, 368pg, FC......$40."
By John Grant (Published by Hyperion).
Other items of possible interest:
Collectors Cards Sets:
So for I have encountered the following collectors cards sets-
DISNEY'S COLLECTOR CARDS (Series I) by IMPEL (now SKYBOX)
MINNIE 'n ME (Series I) by IMPEL (now SKYBOX)
THE LITTLE MERMAID by PRO SET
BEAUTY & THE BEAST by PRO SET
There is a work in progress set of CARL BARKS' character cards that (as far as
I know) are only available when purchasing GLADSTONE's "CARL BARKS LIBRARY
ALBUMS" which are reprints of his Ducks stories from WDC&S. I don't know how
many cards there will eventually be, but there is one sealed with each volume
( they are up to Volume 14 I believe).
DISNEY AFTERNOON cards were originally planned by PRO SET but they have since
cancelled.
DISNEY COLLECTOR CARDS (Series II) &
MINNIE 'n ME (Series II) have been produced by SKYBOX (formerly known as
IMPEL) and are due out to commics shops sometime around the end of August
(though probably later).
One final thought.
Wilmer spoke of the AUG 14th survey in the COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE. I thought it
would be nice to take the poll results one step further and show the full
picture of readership:
SEX: 69% Male
31% Female
AGE: 73% under 17 y/o (52% between 7 - 12 y/o)
27% 17 y/o and over
I wonder what kind of a poll result they might get when surveying watchers of
the DISNEY AFTERNOON? Oh well.
Welp, that's it for now.
-Rich :)
> Re Minnie's niece/nieces: Of course she could have had one niece
> visiting sometimes and two other nieces visiting at other times. You
> also have to choose if you want to count all Disney comics produced
> over the world, or only the American ones. If you count Gutenberghus
> characters like Tone/Tuttan, you should also look at all the
> reoccurring Mondadori characters in Italy. Tone/Tuttan appeared
> only in the sixties btw. By now I guess she lives with her parents.
> (Rich's comment:
>> Despite the fact that they [Little Toot, Hiawatha, Bongo, Scamp, Mad
>> Madam Mim, etc.] repeatedly appear in Disney Comics along with Chip'
>> Dale and others, they are usually one-shot stories that do not have
>> ties to any of the continuing themes. [...]
>
> Well... The Toot stuff *is* one of the "continuing themes". So is the
> Hiawatha stuff and the Scamp stuff. I'm just not sure what your
> criteria are for which of those themes/universes to use. As Darkwing
> Duck shares Launchpad McQuack with DuckTales and DuckTales shares lots
> of characters with the biggest most mainstream Disney universe (the
> Donald-and-Mickey one), I guess it's alright to list the DW cast, but
> whatabout Wuz, Hundred Acre Wood, the Gummi's, Cape Suzette, Bonkers!,
> Raw Toonage and Bugville? What do those locales have that Scamp's or
> Hiawatha's world doesn't?
>
> We've probably read different stories, but I would count Mad Madam Mim
> as a full-fledged member of the main Disney universe (Earth-1?). I've
> read countless stories where she meets Donald, The Beagle Boys, Chip
> 'n'Dale, Magica de Spell, etc. etc.
Sorry Per for repeating so much of the previous dialogue, but I think that you
make some very good points I hadn't originally considered. Like I said
before, this is probably one of the reasons Mr. Dave Smith of the Disney
Archives said they wouldn't do any "Who's Who" sheets on the Disney
Characters. I guess there is indeed a whole lot of controversy over defining
'what's up' in Mainstream Disney.
Let's see if I can tackle these points as carefully as possible. You
mentioned the Disney Comics produced in Sweden and Italy (Gutenberghus &
Mandadori in particular). This does indeed create a paradox when trying to
determine a listing of recurring characters as they appear in Disney Comics (&
cartoons) known and loved by readers all over the world. I must humbly admit
I haven't but the slightest knowledge of exclusive characters outside of the
continental U.S.A. My knowledge is pretty limited in this realm. :(
Therefore I guess it could (should?) be said that my list is biased toward
what I am familiar with in the U.S.A. (sorry). Perhaps a suppliment to the
list could be derived by readers familiar with these other characters under
the same specifications?
You are also quite correct in stating that Little Toot, Scamp, and Hiawatha
(and others) carry recurring themes in Disney Comics. My only contention,(and
perhaps I am wrong) is that these guys are *not* a part of what you have
termed the "Largest Disney Universe" (namely the Mickey & Donald Universe).
You have also inquired why I would include the characters of Bugsville. Well
actually, I did so because of Bucky's consistent encounters with Bootle Beetle
who is a Donald Duck co-star. Perhaps this isn't good reasoning? I just
figured that if Bucky lives in Bootle's universe, he must also live in
Donald's universe. So what about Mad Madame Mim? This one is a tad trickier.
I, too, have witness numerous visitations upon Duckburg by this witch, and her
often team-ups with the Beagle Boys. Again my main contention with this one
is that she rightfully belongs to the "Sword In the Stone" universe. But you
are right that she is a recurring character in the pages of comics. The
others like Pinocchio, Jiminy, and even Hyacinth Hippo are easy enough to
write-off because their encounters are much more happenstance (i.e. the
writers/artists are given the ability to use these cross-over characters... so
they do, no real need, just the fact that they can). Mad Madame Mim seems to
be one of the exceptions to the rule, however. I am concurrently working on a
list of all of the characters from all of the animated movies as well and I
already have her listed there, but if it is reasonable to list her in this
list, then perhaps I should.
You also asked why I listed the worlds of Cape Suzzette, Hundred Acre Woods,
Toontown, etc, as well as Mouseton & Duckburg if this list is supposed to be
about the Mickey & Donald Universe (paraphrased of course)? Actually what I
was doing was attempting to cover two bases at once. The Mickey & Donald
Universe of Comics & Cartoons and the recurring characters of the cartoons
(i.e. Tail Spin, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Gummi Bears, etc.).
The format of this list automatically excludes most of the characters
appearing in Silly Symphonies (except: Toby Tortoise, Max Hare & Jenny Wren)
and those of the other Disney Short Subjects (like Lambert the Sheepish Lion,
Goliath II, and Amos Mouse) which is why they are *not* listed (i.e. they do
not recur in any continuing themes... but I guess this isn't entirely true
since Hiawatha and Little Toot do {Scamp would of course fall under "Lady &
the Tramp"}, so perhaps I should count them, too, but as separate universes.
Only I am not too awfully familiar with these themes either. Perhaps someone
could help me.
I really appreciate your help, Per. Any suggestions? Anyone else? I would
really love to fine tune (or is that fine toon) this list so it is of the
utmost help to everyone.
Oh yah...I meant to ask you two other questions:
1) What did you mean that "you hope they haven't been reprinted outside of
Scandenavia?" :( I'd love to read some of those titles/stories that are
exclusive to foriegn markets.
2) Are there any characters in particular that you are interested in knowing
who/what they are? (you had said that that was your first question). Perhaps I
can be of some assistance. Others out there might be able to fill in gaps that
my knowledge lacks.
ALso FYI (everyone) according to Mr. Smith of the the Disney Archives John
Grant's book "The Encyclopedia of Disney's Animated Characters" has been
updated and revised and will be released sometime before Christmas. The book
is complete up to ALADDIN, but I do not know if it will cover the Disney
Afternoon's line-up. I certainly hope it does.
Here is an article from the August '92 (vol.II, No. 8) issue of PREVIEWS
(trade magazine):
"Divided into two sections --one for animated short subjects (and we don't
mean Jiminy Cricket) and the other for feature films --this encyclopedic
cartoon reference volume lovingly catalogs hundreds of delightful Disney
denizens with informative character profiles and outstanding full-color
artwork. From Mickey Mouse to Monstro the Whale to Ariel, Belle and Aladdin
--The Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters is an animation fan's
wish (upon a star) come true! (1-56282-904-1) TV&F 9x12, 368pg, FC......$40."
By John Grant (Published by Hyperion).
Other items of possible interest:
Collectors Cards Sets:
So for I have encountered the following collectors cards sets-
DISNEY'S COLLECTOR CARDS (Series I) by IMPEL (now SKYBOX)
MINNIE 'n ME (Series I) by IMPEL (now SKYBOX)
THE LITTLE MERMAID by PRO SET
BEAUTY & THE BEAST by PRO SET
There is a work in progress set of CARL BARKS' character cards that (as far as
I know) are only available when purchasing GLADSTONE's "CARL BARKS LIBRARY
ALBUMS" which are reprints of his Ducks stories from WDC&S. I don't know how
many cards there will eventually be, but there is one sealed with each volume
( they are up to Volume 14 I believe).
DISNEY AFTERNOON cards were originally planned by PRO SET but they have since
cancelled.
DISNEY COLLECTOR CARDS (Series II) &
MINNIE 'n ME (Series II) have been produced by SKYBOX (formerly known as
IMPEL) and are due out to commics shops sometime around the end of August
(though probably later).
One final thought.
Wilmer spoke of the AUG 14th survey in the COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE. I thought it
would be nice to take the poll results one step further and show the full
picture of readership:
SEX: 69% Male
31% Female
AGE: 73% under 17 y/o (52% between 7 - 12 y/o)
27% 17 y/o and over
I wonder what kind of a poll result they might get when surveying watchers of
the DISNEY AFTERNOON? Oh well.
Welp, that's it for now.
-Rich :)
Rich.Bellacera
Lists & Profiles
Message 20 -
1992-08-08 at 21:54:00
THE CHARACTER LIST:
==================
I just thought of some other characters that do recur quite often in Disney
Comics: Jaq & Gus-Gus. The mice from Cinderella are constantly helping
Grandma Duck out on her farm. So I guess they are sort of like Mad Madam Mim,
but I would still think their *proper* listing would be under the Cinderella
Universe (yet another of Disney's sub-universes). What do you think?
BTW what *is* Grandma Duck's name?
CHARACTER PROFILES:
==================
In reference to "Profiles", I am currently trying to put together short
profiles on each of the popular and some of the minor characters to include
data such as furry-animal species, relations, occupation(?) and a brief
biographical history. Also listed (if possible) would be their first
appearance in cartoons (and/or the written medium if known). Perhaps it could
even contain some little known, but interesting trivia (like what's their most
famous saying: Goofy "gawrsh!", etc. or something truely different).
Of course the Fab Five would be first to be profiled (Mickey, Minnie, Donald,
Pluto & Goofy), to be followed by Daisy, Fifi, Clarabelle, Horace, Clara
Cluck, Pete, Gyro, Scrooge, Heuy-Dewey & Louie, and a few others. Does this
sound like something this Mailing List would be interested in seeing?
I'd like to dialogue with others on the best approach to this. As many might
know, some characters (especially Goofy) have multifacetted background that
are difficult to puzzle together.
Much of this will have to be delayed until after I purchase the new
Enclyclopedia of Wlt Disney's Animated Characters, though.
MISCELLANEOUS:
=============
You know, I was just thinking. I'm sure that with a Mailing-List such as this
we could compile some pretty good stuff into a sort of FAQ document. I'm sure
certain questions will eventually arise like "What was the very first Disney
comic (Newspaper strip/Comic Book)?" or "What were the character's original
names (i.e. Mickey = Mortimer; Daisy = Donna; Pluto = Rover; Goofy = Dippy
Dawg; etc.)" and other such things. I know there's a FAQ for r.a.d. and the
ranger-list (Disney Afternoon), but I don't recall too much in either
concerning this sort of thing...things perhaps that fans devoted to written
material might get into. I read Marvel and D.C. comics and really like their
"Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" and "Who's Who of the D.C.
Universe" pubs. I'd really like to get something of that sort going on here
if y'all are interested. I realize that the Disney Universe is very sporadic,
and almost completely lacking in the ties that bind the Marvel & D.C.
Universes together. This would definitely have to be taken into account (i.e.
Goofy in animation and comics is sometimes Mickey's Pal, and other times he's
a famous historical person's bumbling relation. Sometimes he's the
perpetual bachelor with nary an interest in women or families, while other
times he's portrayed as father/husband and now in GOOF TROOP, as single
father). Is anyone up to the challenge? Perhaps we could correspond via
e-mail to work out the details and over the mailing-list to determine what
people are interested in knowing about the characters (i.e. who voiced them,
who drew them, who wrote for them, etc.).
Sounds like a monumental undertaking, but I would suggest that it start with
the Fab Five and slowly envelop other characters of major importance. What do
y'all think? I think the non-American angle would truely make for some fresh
and intriguing trivia (IMHO).
Well that's enough for now.
-Rich
==================
I just thought of some other characters that do recur quite often in Disney
Comics: Jaq & Gus-Gus. The mice from Cinderella are constantly helping
Grandma Duck out on her farm. So I guess they are sort of like Mad Madam Mim,
but I would still think their *proper* listing would be under the Cinderella
Universe (yet another of Disney's sub-universes). What do you think?
BTW what *is* Grandma Duck's name?
CHARACTER PROFILES:
==================
In reference to "Profiles", I am currently trying to put together short
profiles on each of the popular and some of the minor characters to include
data such as furry-animal species, relations, occupation(?) and a brief
biographical history. Also listed (if possible) would be their first
appearance in cartoons (and/or the written medium if known). Perhaps it could
even contain some little known, but interesting trivia (like what's their most
famous saying: Goofy "gawrsh!", etc. or something truely different).
Of course the Fab Five would be first to be profiled (Mickey, Minnie, Donald,
Pluto & Goofy), to be followed by Daisy, Fifi, Clarabelle, Horace, Clara
Cluck, Pete, Gyro, Scrooge, Heuy-Dewey & Louie, and a few others. Does this
sound like something this Mailing List would be interested in seeing?
I'd like to dialogue with others on the best approach to this. As many might
know, some characters (especially Goofy) have multifacetted background that
are difficult to puzzle together.
Much of this will have to be delayed until after I purchase the new
Enclyclopedia of Wlt Disney's Animated Characters, though.
MISCELLANEOUS:
=============
You know, I was just thinking. I'm sure that with a Mailing-List such as this
we could compile some pretty good stuff into a sort of FAQ document. I'm sure
certain questions will eventually arise like "What was the very first Disney
comic (Newspaper strip/Comic Book)?" or "What were the character's original
names (i.e. Mickey = Mortimer; Daisy = Donna; Pluto = Rover; Goofy = Dippy
Dawg; etc.)" and other such things. I know there's a FAQ for r.a.d. and the
ranger-list (Disney Afternoon), but I don't recall too much in either
concerning this sort of thing...things perhaps that fans devoted to written
material might get into. I read Marvel and D.C. comics and really like their
"Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" and "Who's Who of the D.C.
Universe" pubs. I'd really like to get something of that sort going on here
if y'all are interested. I realize that the Disney Universe is very sporadic,
and almost completely lacking in the ties that bind the Marvel & D.C.
Universes together. This would definitely have to be taken into account (i.e.
Goofy in animation and comics is sometimes Mickey's Pal, and other times he's
a famous historical person's bumbling relation. Sometimes he's the
perpetual bachelor with nary an interest in women or families, while other
times he's portrayed as father/husband and now in GOOF TROOP, as single
father). Is anyone up to the challenge? Perhaps we could correspond via
e-mail to work out the details and over the mailing-list to determine what
people are interested in knowing about the characters (i.e. who voiced them,
who drew them, who wrote for them, etc.).
Sounds like a monumental undertaking, but I would suggest that it start with
the Fab Five and slowly envelop other characters of major importance. What do
y'all think? I think the non-American angle would truely make for some fresh
and intriguing trivia (IMHO).
Well that's enough for now.
-Rich
Per Starbäck
My quiz, Gutenberghus and Rich's list
Message 21 -
1992-08-09 at 21:49:08
*The Carl Barks Quote Quiz
===========================
Anders Engwall asks for the quotes in their Swedish translations, as
they would probably be easier to remember if you never read the
originals. :-) That would of course be unfair to everybody else, but
life *is* unfair, so that's OK with me. So anyone who wants those
Swedish translations of the quotes, just write to me for them.
If any of you new people want the quotes, also write me. The deadline
for answers (identification of the stories where the quotes appeared)
is August 21 (GMT!).
*Gutenberghus
==============
Rich> You mentioned the Disney Comics produced in Sweden and Italy
Rich> (Gutenberghus & Mandadori in particular). This does indeed
Rich> create a paradox when trying to determine a listing of recurring
Rich> characters as they appear in Disney Comics (& cartoons) known
Rich> and loved by readers all over the world.
Just clarifying a bit: Gutenberghus isn't in Sweden, but in Denmark,
but Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian Disney comics books are esentially
the same, so that doesn't matter much. The Disney comics produced by
Gutenberghus have codes beginning with the letter D. (Those codes are
often seen somewhere in the first panel of a story.) These D-coded
stories have not only been seen in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, but in
other countries as well, as all Disney publishers have the right to
publish comics from other Disney publishers. In later years D-coded
stories have even been seen in the USA, starting (?) in the last
Whitman WDC (#510), and then continued by Gladstone after the long
hiatus.
Rich> 1) What did you mean that "you hope they haven't been reprinted
Rich> outside of Scandenavia?" :( I'd love to read some of those
Rich> titles/stories that are exclusive to foriegn markets.
That was about some Gutenberghus stories from the sixties, when they
started doing their own stories, instead of just importing everything
from the USA. The stories I referred to simply weren't any good, and
the character Tone/Tuttan has been made a symbol of bad Disney comics
by Norwegian Donaldist Jon Gisle (in his book Donaldismen). That's
why I know her name in Norwegian, btw.
*Rich's Character List
=======================
Most of your rationales make sense to me. If you plan of having
several lists, and want every character to appear on only one, then
Mad Madam Mim belongs to the Sword in the Stone list, Jiminy Cricket
to the Pinocchio list etc. (But whatabout the TaleSpin characters you
list. Shouldn't Baloo, Louie, Shere rather be on the Jungle Book list
instead?) (Also, you *did* list Figaro (from Pinocchio) in the list.)
Of course there are borderline cases where it's hard to say where we
have one universe with two natural parts, and where we have two
universes with occasional cross-overs. I give up on Bucky Bug. I
haven't read much about the bugs anyway.
Rich> Anyone else?
Yeah, doesn't anyone else have any views on important things like
this? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
===========================
Anders Engwall asks for the quotes in their Swedish translations, as
they would probably be easier to remember if you never read the
originals. :-) That would of course be unfair to everybody else, but
life *is* unfair, so that's OK with me. So anyone who wants those
Swedish translations of the quotes, just write to me for them.
If any of you new people want the quotes, also write me. The deadline
for answers (identification of the stories where the quotes appeared)
is August 21 (GMT!).
*Gutenberghus
==============
Rich> You mentioned the Disney Comics produced in Sweden and Italy
Rich> (Gutenberghus & Mandadori in particular). This does indeed
Rich> create a paradox when trying to determine a listing of recurring
Rich> characters as they appear in Disney Comics (& cartoons) known
Rich> and loved by readers all over the world.
Just clarifying a bit: Gutenberghus isn't in Sweden, but in Denmark,
but Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian Disney comics books are esentially
the same, so that doesn't matter much. The Disney comics produced by
Gutenberghus have codes beginning with the letter D. (Those codes are
often seen somewhere in the first panel of a story.) These D-coded
stories have not only been seen in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, but in
other countries as well, as all Disney publishers have the right to
publish comics from other Disney publishers. In later years D-coded
stories have even been seen in the USA, starting (?) in the last
Whitman WDC (#510), and then continued by Gladstone after the long
hiatus.
Rich> 1) What did you mean that "you hope they haven't been reprinted
Rich> outside of Scandenavia?" :( I'd love to read some of those
Rich> titles/stories that are exclusive to foriegn markets.
That was about some Gutenberghus stories from the sixties, when they
started doing their own stories, instead of just importing everything
from the USA. The stories I referred to simply weren't any good, and
the character Tone/Tuttan has been made a symbol of bad Disney comics
by Norwegian Donaldist Jon Gisle (in his book Donaldismen). That's
why I know her name in Norwegian, btw.
*Rich's Character List
=======================
Most of your rationales make sense to me. If you plan of having
several lists, and want every character to appear on only one, then
Mad Madam Mim belongs to the Sword in the Stone list, Jiminy Cricket
to the Pinocchio list etc. (But whatabout the TaleSpin characters you
list. Shouldn't Baloo, Louie, Shere rather be on the Jungle Book list
instead?) (Also, you *did* list Figaro (from Pinocchio) in the list.)
Of course there are borderline cases where it's hard to say where we
have one universe with two natural parts, and where we have two
universes with occasional cross-overs. I give up on Bucky Bug. I
haven't read much about the bugs anyway.
Rich> Anyone else?
Yeah, doesn't anyone else have any views on important things like
this? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starbäck
Character List
Message 22 -
1992-08-10 at 00:07:38
Here are my who's-that questions on Rich's list (as well as still some
more comments).
> Percy (Peter) Pigg
> Patricia Pigg
Who are they? (Not the Peter Pig in "The Wise Little Hen", right?)
> Montmortency the Dog~
> Gremlin Gus~
> Aunt Agatha Mouse~
Who are they?
> Doctor Einmug~
He's in the Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse story "Island in the Sky".
Where else? (I'm using the story titles in the index in _Mickey Mouse
in Color_.)
> The Phantom Blot
There's no "~" after his name, but he's never appeared outside of the
comics, has he?
Some other characters from the daily Mickey Mouse strip that appeared
in several stories:
o Eli Squinch
o Captain Churchmouse
o Captain Churchmouse's pet gorilla Spooks
Joe Piper in "The Plumber's Helper" is, as far as I know, only used in
that story by American artists, but he has been used a lot by Italian
Disney artists after that.
Another thing: I said before that Cousin Fethry Duck hasn't been in
American comic books. Wrong! He is at least in "Big Prize For
Donald" (S-82090) in WDC 509, where he has a bit part. That's not a
great story though. I hope you someday will get to see the classical
Cousin Fethry stories over there.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
more comments).
> Percy (Peter) Pigg
> Patricia Pigg
Who are they? (Not the Peter Pig in "The Wise Little Hen", right?)
> Montmortency the Dog~
> Gremlin Gus~
> Aunt Agatha Mouse~
Who are they?
> Doctor Einmug~
He's in the Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse story "Island in the Sky".
Where else? (I'm using the story titles in the index in _Mickey Mouse
in Color_.)
> The Phantom Blot
There's no "~" after his name, but he's never appeared outside of the
comics, has he?
Some other characters from the daily Mickey Mouse strip that appeared
in several stories:
o Eli Squinch
o Captain Churchmouse
o Captain Churchmouse's pet gorilla Spooks
Joe Piper in "The Plumber's Helper" is, as far as I know, only used in
that story by American artists, but he has been used a lot by Italian
Disney artists after that.
Another thing: I said before that Cousin Fethry Duck hasn't been in
American comic books. Wrong! He is at least in "Big Prize For
Donald" (S-82090) in WDC 509, where he has a bit part. That's not a
great story though. I hope you someday will get to see the classical
Cousin Fethry stories over there.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starbäck
New stuff
Message 23 -
1992-08-10 at 01:27:59
From rec.arts.comics.info:
> Here is a list of items released by Capital City Distribution in
> Cleveland, OH on Wednesday, Aug. 5 and Friday, Aug. 7, 1992:
> [...]
> DISNEY
> Beauty & The Beast #2 Colossal Comics Collection #6
> Donald Duck Adventures #30
> [...]
> GLADSTONE
> Carl Barks Library/Uncle Scrooge#1 Carl Barks Lib./Walt Disney... #7
What is Colossal Comics Collection?
I currently don't subscribe. Maybe I should start again. Opinions on
the different current Disney books?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Here is a list of items released by Capital City Distribution in
> Cleveland, OH on Wednesday, Aug. 5 and Friday, Aug. 7, 1992:
> [...]
> DISNEY
> Beauty & The Beast #2 Colossal Comics Collection #6
> Donald Duck Adventures #30
> [...]
> GLADSTONE
> Carl Barks Library/Uncle Scrooge#1 Carl Barks Lib./Walt Disney... #7
What is Colossal Comics Collection?
I currently don't subscribe. Maybe I should start again. Opinions on
the different current Disney books?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
German Ducks (Schatztruhe, Auto Albums)
Message 24 -
1992-08-10 at 13:04:01
Next is a list of German duck stories from the series
"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
Nr Code Ned Pg Title
1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
must have been published in this series.
Who can help me answering the next questions:
1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
Harry Fluks
Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
Nr Code Ned Pg Title
1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
must have been published in this series.
Who can help me answering the next questions:
1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
Harry Fluks
Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
Hannes.Faestermann
German Ducks (Schatztruhe, Auto Albums)
Message 25 -
1992-08-10 at 14:29:13
In message <9208101004.AA14563 at athena.research.ptt.nl> you write:
>Next is a list of German duck stories from the series
>"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
>
>Nr Code Ned Pg Title
>
>1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
>2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
>3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
>4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
>5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
>6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
As far as I know this is the complete list. Some of them have been translated
to English.
>I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
>I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
>of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
>The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
>'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
>Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
>
>There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
>I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
>since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
>In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
>DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
>Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
>must have been published in this series.
This is not a real series, but appears at random. I think it's even cut now.
There are stories from the Duck- and the Mouse-world, but I doubt that there
are more than 3-4 albums.
>Who can help me answering the next questions:
>
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
>2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
>
Answers as complete as possible (I have no access to my collection at the
moment :( ) see above.
>Harry Fluks
>Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
>H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
>(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
>
This goes for me, too :))
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, West Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
>Next is a list of German duck stories from the series
>"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
>
>Nr Code Ned Pg Title
>
>1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
>2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
>3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
>4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
>5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
>6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
As far as I know this is the complete list. Some of them have been translated
to English.
>I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
>I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
>of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
>The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
>'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
>Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
>
>There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
>I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
>since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
>In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
>DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
>Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
>must have been published in this series.
This is not a real series, but appears at random. I think it's even cut now.
There are stories from the Duck- and the Mouse-world, but I doubt that there
are more than 3-4 albums.
>Who can help me answering the next questions:
>
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
>2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
>
Answers as complete as possible (I have no access to my collection at the
moment :( ) see above.
>Harry Fluks
>Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
>H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
>(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
>
This goes for me, too :))
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, West Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
Hannes.Faestermann
German Ducks (Schatztruhe, Auto Albums)
Message 26 -
1992-08-10 at 14:29:42
In message <9208101004.AA14563 at athena.research.ptt.nl> you write:
>Next is a list of German duck stories from the series
>"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
>
>Nr Code Ned Pg Title
>
>1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
>2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
>3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
>4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
>5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
>6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
As far as I know this is the complete list. Some of them have been translated
to English.
>I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
>I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
>of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
>The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
>'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
>Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
>
>There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
>I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
>since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
>In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
>DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
>Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
>must have been published in this series.
This is not a real series, but appears at random. I think it's even cut now.
There are stories from the Duck- and the Mouse-world, but I doubt that there
are more than 3-4 albums.
>Who can help me answering the next questions:
>
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
>2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
>
Answers as complete as possible (I have no access to my collection at the
moment :( ) see above.
>Harry Fluks
>Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
>H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
>(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
>
This goes for me, too :))
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, West Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
>Next is a list of German duck stories from the series
>"Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe":
>
>Nr Code Ned Pg Title
>
>1 DA.02 -44- der regengott von uxmal
>2 DA.04 -44- weisses gold vom matterhorn
>3 GA 3-84 DA.05 -44- der ausflug nach key west
>4 GA 4-85 DA.10 -44- picasso-raub in barcelona
>5 Eh DAA 5 DA.15 -44- fuenfmal grand canyon und zurueck
>6 D 88067 -44- der tartan der familie duck
As far as I know this is the complete list. Some of them have been translated
to English.
>I think the artwork is done by Adolf Kabatek (his name is in album 6).
>I have a German version of #1 and #6. In the column 'Ned' the dutch reprints
>of the stories (DA = "Dubbel Album"); #6 is never reprinted in Holland.
Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
>The 'Code' is the code I found in my (mostly Dutch) copies of the stories.
>'Eh' stands for Ehapa Verlag.
>Apparently, the last story is done for Gutenberghus, since it has a D-code.
>
>There seems to be an other German album series, about cars (D.A.A., which
>I think means Duck Auto Album). The code 'Eh DAA 5' should be an error,
>since the story appeared in the "Schatztruhe" series.
>In holland, one story is published that could have its origin in the
>DAA-series. It is about "the oldest car in the world" and is drawn by
>Jan Gulbrandsson. I saw a German ad for D.A.A. #3, so at least 3 albums
>must have been published in this series.
This is not a real series, but appears at random. I think it's even cut now.
There are stories from the Duck- and the Mouse-world, but I doubt that there
are more than 3-4 albums.
>Who can help me answering the next questions:
>
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
>2. What stories appeared in the "DAA"-series and who drew them?
>
Answers as complete as possible (I have no access to my collection at the
moment :( ) see above.
>Harry Fluks
>Leidschendam, Nederland (= Holland)
>H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
>(So, my first mailing to the Disney-list. It will certainly not be the last..)
>
This goes for me, too :))
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, West Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
Per Starbäck
From Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest
Message 27 -
1992-08-10 at 23:19:11
Hannes on the Schatztruhe (= Treasure chest) stories:
> Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
> that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
> probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
I think I've heard a specific person named as the artist of those
stories, but I don't remember it now, and the only reference I can
find is that they are drawn by the studio "Studio Recreo" (in
Barcelona?).
Harry asked:
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
Those are the only ones that have appeared here in Sweden anyway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Adolf Kabatek is the editor but definitely not the artist. I'm not sure about
> that, but I remember something like they were drawn in South America, most
> probably in Argentina. Kabatek has written some or all of the stories.
I think I've heard a specific person named as the artist of those
stories, but I don't remember it now, and the only reference I can
find is that they are drawn by the studio "Studio Recreo" (in
Barcelona?).
Harry asked:
>1. Is my "schatztruhe"-list complete?
Those are the only ones that have appeared here in Sweden anyway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Rich.Bellacera
Q & A (yikes!)
Message 28 -
1992-08-11 at 01:07:00
Boy, have I got alot to answer for! :)
First let me say thank you Per for the corrections to my spelling (I guess
you've figured out what one of my strong points is -NOT!). Anyhow, that sort
of input is invaluable to me while I am composing these manuscripts. Unfort-
unately, at the moment I am without a multitude of my aids. I just moved and
virtually everything is packed away (including my comics, *sniff* :( as well
as simple things like dictionaries and all the books of my great Disney
Library!). However, as you can see, my Computer and modem are already up and
'working :). Now on to answers.
Ronnie: Please do. Any help, no matter how small you might think, will be
of great help to me and whoever else wants to help out in this task. I would
think there might be a great deal of assistance you could provide, even just
giving your point of view (i.e. the format the list should use, what kind of
data should be included, and what is factual and what is not type input.
Per: Gee, I better just curl up to my computer for the night for you :) You've
given me a good deal to tackle. Lets see where I can start.
1) The D-code stuff was pretty interesting. I think I had heard something
about it once a long time ago, but it did not make any sense so I just forgot
all about it. Thanx. :)
2) The mix-up about what books/stories were printed where is do to my complete
lack of knowledge concerning the extra-U.S.A. marketplace. Thank you for
clearing that up, too.
3) You are welcome about the John Grant item (go get him with his errors :)
4) If I usnderstood your reference to different universes and natural parts
I think I agree. As far as the characters from Tailspin go, I personally
believe that although they have a striking resemblance to the characters in
JUNGLE BOOK and are indeed fashion after them, they really do exist in two
different worlds. And since the TAILSPIN world is a continuing one it
seems to make more sense to me that the names be carried over into both
universes. I guess you might say they serve as an exception to the rule
(kinda like the MINNIE 'n ME & DISNEY BABIES universes do). While it is true
that Baloo, Louie and Sher Kahn all skeak in Jungle Book, they certainly
didn't wear costumes and run any businesses in the jungle (unless I missed
something the first twenty times I watched JB). (skeak = speak, I cannot
edit on my modem). The same applies to Figaro. While it is true that he is
indeed based on the cute little kitty from PINOCCHIO, he is definitely not
the same cat! Figaro in PINOCCHIO was cute and playful and owned by Gepetto.
The Figaro in the animated shorts (of which he was occasionally the star)
which co-starred Minnie, Mickey and Pluto, was definitely not the same cat.
This one is much more spiteful and vicious. I still like him, though. This
Figaro seems to have two different owners. Mostly he is said to be Minnie's
pet in both animation and comics, but I do have a comic which shows him to
be owned by Daisy (if you are still interested, when I can dig into my comics
I will tell you the name and issue of that story, though it had to do with
the Nephews trying to enter Figaro into a Pet Show to win money, only it was
a Dog Show and it turned out pretty bad for them). Maybe Mad Madam Mim is
another exception to this rule (help me out, I'm not certain on this one).
BTW, if Daisy were confirmed to be Figaro's owner that would answer my query
about what the name of the gray kitty is that is Daisy's pet in MINNIE 'n ME.
Certainly the temperment is similar if not the coloring, but the coloring
could just be a symptom of Disney's attempt to use more appealing colors
and the fact that all of the characters are slightly age regressed. I don't
really know on that one.
5) You asked who several character were. Let me see how much help I can be
without any of my references.
PETER (Percy) PIGG. He is definitely one and the same from the Wise Little
Hen cartoon. Even though that was his first appearance (and Donald's) it was
NOT his last. He was seen in several other early stories, but his character
quickly faded. I think it had something to do with the obesity issue and that
it was too much of a copy of Warner Bros. Porky Pig. Anyhow, he was the tuba
player in the Band Concert (?cartoon name) and several others. Last time I
actually saw him was in MICKEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL. He and Patricia were seen
at the dance while Scrooge was visiting his past. Oh and Grandma Duck was there
too.
PATRICIA PIGG. As I said earlier, her fate suffer the same as Peter's. She
was always Peter's hefty girlfriend in the background. As I understand the
literature I've read about them, they were suppose to be Mickey & Minnie's
barnyard pals along with Horace, Clarabelle and Madame Cluck, only the others
fared a little (if not much) better.
MONTMORENCY. The spelling error was mine (sorry again). This was/is Donald's
pet dog during a time while the Nephews were living with him. I've seen the
pooch in several stories which is why I have listed him, but as to any real
particulars I don't have any. I think BOLIVAR (?sp) has probably a more
defined background. Sorry about not being more help on this one. Anyone else
know some more trivia on Montmorency that just the fact that he was/is a pet
of Donald's?
GREMLIN GUS. This one, too, is not real well known by me. I believe he
originated in Donald Duck stories about WWII. The gremlins were supposedly
these little creatures that caused machinery to malfunction (especially
airplanes) and they bothered Donald. Though, apparently, they graduated to
their own featurettes in WDC&S (usually one pagers). Gremlin Gus was, I guess
just one of the more prominent gremlins. Anyone else know more??
AUNT AGATHA MOUSE. SHe is Mickey's (or his newphew's) aunt. I've read a
few stories with her in it. I've also seen her in some of those far too high
priced comics at comic shops. Details are vague on her, too.
I'm not real good on this which is why (except for Peter & Patricia Pigg) I
wouldn't care to write Who's Who (or HooZoo) entries on any of those you've
inquired about. I mostly listed them because I've seen them more than a few
times, but not necessarily because I know a lot about them. I wish that John
Grant's book could/would cover comics also. In fact, there's quite a few
from my list I wish someone could fill me in about. Was Minnie's Uncle
Mortimer Mouse married? If so I thought I read that Agatha was her name, too.
If you feel that Eli Squinch, Fethry Duck and especially Captain Churchmouse
and Spooks the Gorilla belong on the list, it is as good as done :)
I take it you already knew who charcters like Dim-Witty, Weasel, Eega Beeva
and others are? I am familiar with them, but not their entire background.
6) There was something else you said, but it escapes me at the moment (it's
about 1:00am here so I gotta log off for now. :)
Adios all (for now)
-Rich
"A dream is a wish your heart makes when you're fast asleep" -Cinderella
First let me say thank you Per for the corrections to my spelling (I guess
you've figured out what one of my strong points is -NOT!). Anyhow, that sort
of input is invaluable to me while I am composing these manuscripts. Unfort-
unately, at the moment I am without a multitude of my aids. I just moved and
virtually everything is packed away (including my comics, *sniff* :( as well
as simple things like dictionaries and all the books of my great Disney
Library!). However, as you can see, my Computer and modem are already up and
'working :). Now on to answers.
Ronnie: Please do. Any help, no matter how small you might think, will be
of great help to me and whoever else wants to help out in this task. I would
think there might be a great deal of assistance you could provide, even just
giving your point of view (i.e. the format the list should use, what kind of
data should be included, and what is factual and what is not type input.
Per: Gee, I better just curl up to my computer for the night for you :) You've
given me a good deal to tackle. Lets see where I can start.
1) The D-code stuff was pretty interesting. I think I had heard something
about it once a long time ago, but it did not make any sense so I just forgot
all about it. Thanx. :)
2) The mix-up about what books/stories were printed where is do to my complete
lack of knowledge concerning the extra-U.S.A. marketplace. Thank you for
clearing that up, too.
3) You are welcome about the John Grant item (go get him with his errors :)
4) If I usnderstood your reference to different universes and natural parts
I think I agree. As far as the characters from Tailspin go, I personally
believe that although they have a striking resemblance to the characters in
JUNGLE BOOK and are indeed fashion after them, they really do exist in two
different worlds. And since the TAILSPIN world is a continuing one it
seems to make more sense to me that the names be carried over into both
universes. I guess you might say they serve as an exception to the rule
(kinda like the MINNIE 'n ME & DISNEY BABIES universes do). While it is true
that Baloo, Louie and Sher Kahn all skeak in Jungle Book, they certainly
didn't wear costumes and run any businesses in the jungle (unless I missed
something the first twenty times I watched JB). (skeak = speak, I cannot
edit on my modem). The same applies to Figaro. While it is true that he is
indeed based on the cute little kitty from PINOCCHIO, he is definitely not
the same cat! Figaro in PINOCCHIO was cute and playful and owned by Gepetto.
The Figaro in the animated shorts (of which he was occasionally the star)
which co-starred Minnie, Mickey and Pluto, was definitely not the same cat.
This one is much more spiteful and vicious. I still like him, though. This
Figaro seems to have two different owners. Mostly he is said to be Minnie's
pet in both animation and comics, but I do have a comic which shows him to
be owned by Daisy (if you are still interested, when I can dig into my comics
I will tell you the name and issue of that story, though it had to do with
the Nephews trying to enter Figaro into a Pet Show to win money, only it was
a Dog Show and it turned out pretty bad for them). Maybe Mad Madam Mim is
another exception to this rule (help me out, I'm not certain on this one).
BTW, if Daisy were confirmed to be Figaro's owner that would answer my query
about what the name of the gray kitty is that is Daisy's pet in MINNIE 'n ME.
Certainly the temperment is similar if not the coloring, but the coloring
could just be a symptom of Disney's attempt to use more appealing colors
and the fact that all of the characters are slightly age regressed. I don't
really know on that one.
5) You asked who several character were. Let me see how much help I can be
without any of my references.
PETER (Percy) PIGG. He is definitely one and the same from the Wise Little
Hen cartoon. Even though that was his first appearance (and Donald's) it was
NOT his last. He was seen in several other early stories, but his character
quickly faded. I think it had something to do with the obesity issue and that
it was too much of a copy of Warner Bros. Porky Pig. Anyhow, he was the tuba
player in the Band Concert (?cartoon name) and several others. Last time I
actually saw him was in MICKEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL. He and Patricia were seen
at the dance while Scrooge was visiting his past. Oh and Grandma Duck was there
too.
PATRICIA PIGG. As I said earlier, her fate suffer the same as Peter's. She
was always Peter's hefty girlfriend in the background. As I understand the
literature I've read about them, they were suppose to be Mickey & Minnie's
barnyard pals along with Horace, Clarabelle and Madame Cluck, only the others
fared a little (if not much) better.
MONTMORENCY. The spelling error was mine (sorry again). This was/is Donald's
pet dog during a time while the Nephews were living with him. I've seen the
pooch in several stories which is why I have listed him, but as to any real
particulars I don't have any. I think BOLIVAR (?sp) has probably a more
defined background. Sorry about not being more help on this one. Anyone else
know some more trivia on Montmorency that just the fact that he was/is a pet
of Donald's?
GREMLIN GUS. This one, too, is not real well known by me. I believe he
originated in Donald Duck stories about WWII. The gremlins were supposedly
these little creatures that caused machinery to malfunction (especially
airplanes) and they bothered Donald. Though, apparently, they graduated to
their own featurettes in WDC&S (usually one pagers). Gremlin Gus was, I guess
just one of the more prominent gremlins. Anyone else know more??
AUNT AGATHA MOUSE. SHe is Mickey's (or his newphew's) aunt. I've read a
few stories with her in it. I've also seen her in some of those far too high
priced comics at comic shops. Details are vague on her, too.
I'm not real good on this which is why (except for Peter & Patricia Pigg) I
wouldn't care to write Who's Who (or HooZoo) entries on any of those you've
inquired about. I mostly listed them because I've seen them more than a few
times, but not necessarily because I know a lot about them. I wish that John
Grant's book could/would cover comics also. In fact, there's quite a few
from my list I wish someone could fill me in about. Was Minnie's Uncle
Mortimer Mouse married? If so I thought I read that Agatha was her name, too.
If you feel that Eli Squinch, Fethry Duck and especially Captain Churchmouse
and Spooks the Gorilla belong on the list, it is as good as done :)
I take it you already knew who charcters like Dim-Witty, Weasel, Eega Beeva
and others are? I am familiar with them, but not their entire background.
6) There was something else you said, but it escapes me at the moment (it's
about 1:00am here so I gotta log off for now. :)
Adios all (for now)
-Rich
"A dream is a wish your heart makes when you're fast asleep" -Cinderella
Harry Fluks
Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest again
Message 29 -
1992-08-11 at 10:57:09
Per Starback wrote (about the Schatztruhe/Treasure chest stories):
> I think I've heard a specific person named as the artist of those
> stories, but I don't remember it now, and the only reference I can
> find is that they are drawn by the studio "Studio Recreo" (in
> Barcelona?).
I Think I have seen the artist's artwork in an occasional Gutenberghus
story. He also did some puzzle-stories for "Gyro Gearloose's puzzle shop"
(Germany: "Daniel Duesentriebs Raetselshop", Holland: "Willie Wortels
Puzzelparade"; Don't know if other countries have had a periodical like it).
Per, if you remember the name, please tell me (us). I am trying to get as
many Disney comic artist's names as possible (maybe I can make a list for
d-c at M.D.U.S.).
Harry Fluks
> I think I've heard a specific person named as the artist of those
> stories, but I don't remember it now, and the only reference I can
> find is that they are drawn by the studio "Studio Recreo" (in
> Barcelona?).
I Think I have seen the artist's artwork in an occasional Gutenberghus
story. He also did some puzzle-stories for "Gyro Gearloose's puzzle shop"
(Germany: "Daniel Duesentriebs Raetselshop", Holland: "Willie Wortels
Puzzelparade"; Don't know if other countries have had a periodical like it).
Per, if you remember the name, please tell me (us). I am trying to get as
many Disney comic artist's names as possible (maybe I can make a list for
d-c at M.D.U.S.).
Harry Fluks
Rich.Bellacera
More Q&A stuff (Harry)
Message 30 -
1992-08-11 at 18:36:00
Harry Fluks:
RE: Your inquires:
1) Yes indeed, Fifer is his "English" name, but it is the same as the Dutch
word (I would assume) Pfeiffer. This little piggie plays the fife (a flute)
2) Thank you for the corrections to my misspellings tho Per beat ya to it :)
3) Also thank you for the info on the Belgium based character called The
Marsupilami. I had mad an inquirey as to the character's origin and as
to whether or not the word was a name for the character or his species
since I had suspected it was his species anyhow. Tad Stones gave some
limited information, but not enough :(. I asked on the "ranger-list".
As far as whether he should be considered a Disney character existing
in a Disney "universe" I would say "yes", but apparently NOT in the
Mainstream Disney Universe (i.e. The Donald-Mickey Universe).
4) Stef Wolf is Zeke-Midas' brother, eh? And a continuing character also?
O.K. This is good. But his son Pollo? I wonder if anyone can verify
what the English name is for the Dutch character. (Perhaps: Stephen
Wolf :)? I like that). In the U.S. comics Zeke has had visitations from
his unnamed brother's sons Izzy (a hoodlum) and the polite Walter. Zeke
had hoped to teach Li'l Bad to be bad by having his brother's sons visit
but this never works (since Li'l Bad is perpetually a good character).
5) So can anyone validate that Grandma Duck's name in English IS also "Dora"?
6) Bella Duck? Brigitta McBridge? Donald's Car? Sorry, but my knowledge of
these characters is nil. Can anyone help? If these, too, are important
recurring characters (yes even the car if it deserves it in your opinion)
then they could/should be added to the list. Please, everyone, if you
know something I do not, by all means do fill me in. This list will be
(hopefully) one that meets the needs of the list-members. :)
7) About Feathry Duck (or is that Fethry Duck? I've seen it spelled both
ways by Per). If you know his English equivalent name then I will add
him (if he appears in USA Disney comics, too). If he is more naturally
a foriegn market character, then perhaps he belongs on the separate list
our foriegn (for me that is) correspondents will compose (please...since
I am out of touch with that marketplace). If Feathry has appeared in
the US market comics then he should/could be added to my "mainstream"
listing.
NOTE: For simplicity, I would nominate that we call the mainstream line of
comics featuring Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Minnie and Pluto (also Li'l Bad
and others) the "M&D Universe".
Would this be O.K. with everyone else? Then the others like Pinocchio,
Bonkers!, Tailspin, et al, could be called Disney "sub-universes" and
called by their particular title (i.e. JUNGLE BOOK UNIVERSE). I suppose
this might be a bit controversial in the area of characters exclusive
to Italy or Sweden, etc. Can some suggest a way to ease that?
That's it for now
-Rich
RE: Your inquires:
1) Yes indeed, Fifer is his "English" name, but it is the same as the Dutch
word (I would assume) Pfeiffer. This little piggie plays the fife (a flute)
2) Thank you for the corrections to my misspellings tho Per beat ya to it :)
3) Also thank you for the info on the Belgium based character called The
Marsupilami. I had mad an inquirey as to the character's origin and as
to whether or not the word was a name for the character or his species
since I had suspected it was his species anyhow. Tad Stones gave some
limited information, but not enough :(. I asked on the "ranger-list".
As far as whether he should be considered a Disney character existing
in a Disney "universe" I would say "yes", but apparently NOT in the
Mainstream Disney Universe (i.e. The Donald-Mickey Universe).
4) Stef Wolf is Zeke-Midas' brother, eh? And a continuing character also?
O.K. This is good. But his son Pollo? I wonder if anyone can verify
what the English name is for the Dutch character. (Perhaps: Stephen
Wolf :)? I like that). In the U.S. comics Zeke has had visitations from
his unnamed brother's sons Izzy (a hoodlum) and the polite Walter. Zeke
had hoped to teach Li'l Bad to be bad by having his brother's sons visit
but this never works (since Li'l Bad is perpetually a good character).
5) So can anyone validate that Grandma Duck's name in English IS also "Dora"?
6) Bella Duck? Brigitta McBridge? Donald's Car? Sorry, but my knowledge of
these characters is nil. Can anyone help? If these, too, are important
recurring characters (yes even the car if it deserves it in your opinion)
then they could/should be added to the list. Please, everyone, if you
know something I do not, by all means do fill me in. This list will be
(hopefully) one that meets the needs of the list-members. :)
7) About Feathry Duck (or is that Fethry Duck? I've seen it spelled both
ways by Per). If you know his English equivalent name then I will add
him (if he appears in USA Disney comics, too). If he is more naturally
a foriegn market character, then perhaps he belongs on the separate list
our foriegn (for me that is) correspondents will compose (please...since
I am out of touch with that marketplace). If Feathry has appeared in
the US market comics then he should/could be added to my "mainstream"
listing.
NOTE: For simplicity, I would nominate that we call the mainstream line of
comics featuring Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Minnie and Pluto (also Li'l Bad
and others) the "M&D Universe".
Would this be O.K. with everyone else? Then the others like Pinocchio,
Bonkers!, Tailspin, et al, could be called Disney "sub-universes" and
called by their particular title (i.e. JUNGLE BOOK UNIVERSE). I suppose
this might be a bit controversial in the area of characters exclusive
to Italy or Sweden, etc. Can some suggest a way to ease that?
That's it for now
-Rich