Keskustelujen arkisto

Well, I read the mails of last week. Time to give a reaction. I will
react here on the mail entries with subjects related to Rich's character
list, in chronological order.

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Date: Wednesday, 5 August 1992 17:22 PT
From: rich
Subject: DISNEY Toon Character List

Some of the characters are misspelt:
Dinah the Dachshund (not Dachsund)
Sylvester Shyster (not Sylverster)
Panchito (not Ponchito)
Huey Duck (not Heuy; you spelt it this way on several places)
Flintheart Glomgold (not Flinthart Glumgold)

Is the 2nd pig really called Fifer? Is this an English word? It sounds
a lot like the German "Pfeiffer" to me.

[about Darkwing Duck:]
> (NOTE: This is the first "spin-off" series, having its roots in DUCKTALES.
> Originally it was conceived as a James Bond-type show based on the character
> "Double-0 Duck" that appeared in Ducktales, and the plan for Launchpad to
> move
> to the new series was set from the start. D.W. and the rest are residents of
> the the spralling metropolis of St. Canard).

There was a short series of comic stories in the 60s starring "OO Duck". The
stories were drawn by Allan Hubbart. They were Studio stories, that never
appeared in the USA, I think.
Most likely this OO Duck has nothing to do with the "Double-0 Duck" from
Ducktales (whom I don't know).

In the late 70s and 80s, there was a series of stories about a London
detective, with Mickey Mouse as his helper. The Dutch name of the detective
was Oliver Flops. Again: Studio stories, not likely to have appeared in the
USA.

> RAW TOONAGE:
>
> Marsupilami (frog) (doe)
> Maurice the Ape (Rambo-esque rooster) (dog?)

Is the marsupilami a DISNEY character? It was a comic character of the Belgian
comic "Spirou", written and drawn by Andre Franquin (also known from his
"Gaston" stories). Apparently, Disney bought the rights to use this
character. I don't think this has anything to do with the "Disney world"...
BTW: in Belgium, marsupilami is the name of a species, not the name of a
single character (although there may be only one..). He is always referred
to as THE marsupilami.

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 92 04:42:21 +0200
From: Per
Subject: DISNEY Toon Character List

> As you list Donald's middle initial (F.) you might want to know that
> Big Bad Wolf has an M. "Zeke M. Wolf" that is. I know what the M.
> stands for, but I'm not sure I can find the story it's mentioned in.

In Holland, Zeke is called "Midas Wolf" from the beginning. His first
and only name is explained in the 3rd or 4th story that ever appeared
in Holland.
Zeke has a brother in the early comics (Dutch name "Stef"), which has
a son (Dutch name "Pollo"). Both characters are used in the Dutch wolf
stories quite a lot.

> Grandma Duck is another interesting character name-wise. Most of the
> time everybody calls her Grandma, even people who possibly can't be
> her relatives. But then, once in a while, her real name has been used
> by some authors. I think I've only seen it in Swedish translations
> though, and it's so infrequent so that the translators generally don't
> seem to remember that they've already chosen a name for her, so it's
> not very consistent. Has her original real name ever appeared?

In 1987, a "life story of Donald Duck" comic was published in Holland.
It may have been a copy of an italian story (artwork looks like Rota).
In this story, Scrooge is Grandma's brother. They both found an egg, which
contained Donald (because Scrooge knew a Californian cowboy called Ronald...).
Scrooge teesed Grandma by calling her Grandma, and since then everybody does.

In this story, Grandma's name is Dora (Dutch). Since then, the Dutch trans-
lators alway called her Dora, even in a Barks story. Before 1987, Grandma
had no name in Holland.

> * MISSING DUCKS AND OTHER PEOPLE
>
> [about Feathry Duck]
> In many of the Hubbard stories Donald has a cat, who's original name
> is unknown to me (Swedish name: Kisse).
Dutch name: Tobber (meaning: worrier. In one story, this name is explained)
BTW: Feathry is called Diederik in Dutch (is anyone interested in this?)

I recall a dozen stories featuring a female sailor called Bella Duck (Dutch
name again). She always appeared in Scrooge stories, mostly drawn by
Strobl and Hubbart (for Disney Studios).

> There are also many other characters that are only seen in the Italian
> Disney's.
A.o.: Brigitta McBridge, who appeared in a Gladstone comic (by Scarpa).

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 92 13:54:27 +0200
From: Per
Subject: Character List

> Re Minnie's niece/nieces: Of course she could have had one niece
> visiting sometimes and two other nieces visiting at other times. You
> also have to choose if you want to count all Disney comics produced
> over the world, or only the American ones. If you count Gutenberghus
> characters like Tone/Tuttan, you should also look at all the
> reoccurring Mondadori characters in Italy. Tone/Tuttan appeared
> only in the sixties btw. By now I guess she lives with her parents.

Are you sure the stories were from Gutenberghus? I always thought that
Gutenberghus started about 1970, and that the Tone/Tuttan stories were
from the Disney Studios, who had a comic production for the foreign market
since 1963. The niece appeared in Holland, too.

> Finally you might think of adding two pets Donald had in the newspaper
> strips in the thirties and fourties: Bolivar (a dog) and a donkey
> (name?). Bolivar's been used by Barks too.

Then, isn't Donald's car a 'character'? It is one of the few things in
Donald's world that never changed! Always number 313. (BTW: in a Barks
Gyro Gearloose story, were Barks had to change Donald by a character named
Speedy, that character is still using the same car. Nice touch: the license
number is 818.)

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Date: Saturday, 8 August 1992 21:54 PT
From: rich
Subject: Lists & Profiles

> CHARACTER PROFILES:
> (...) Also listed (if possible) would be their first
> appearance in cartoons (and/or the written medium if known).

Here's a list of first appearances of characters 'invented' by Barks:

Neighbor Jones WDC 34 (good deeds)
Gladstone Glander WDC 88 (bet)
The Junior Woodchucks WDC 125 (st bernard)
The Beagle Boys WDC 134
Gyro Gearloose WDC 140
April, May and June WDC 149 (flipism)
Uncle Scrooge McDuck FC 178 (bear mountain)
Flintheart Glomgold US 15 (the second-richest duck)
Magica De Spell US 36 (the midas touch)
Little Helper US 15 (Gyro story: cat language)

[WDC = WD's Comics and Stories; FC = Four Color Comic; US = Uncle Scrooge]

> (...) to work out the details and over the mailing-list to determine what
> people are interested in knowing about the characters (i.e. who voiced them,
> who drew them, who wrote for them, etc.).
I would like to take an other approach: make a list of Disney artists, and
what they have made, who they invented, etc. etc. sorted by country (USA,
Italy, Denmark, Holland, Germany, France, Brazil, are there more?)....
BTW: is there an Italian in the mailing list? If not, why not? (S)he could
bring in interseting facts.

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 92 23:07:38 +0200
From: Per
Subject: Character List

> Some other characters from the daily Mickey Mouse strip that appeared
> in several stories:
> o Eli Squinch
> o Captain Churchmouse
> o Captain Churchmouse's pet gorilla Spooks
Captain Churchmouse also appeared in some Paul Murry stories.

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Whew! That was my reaction. It took me an evening to read the mail of
a whole week. I hope this list will stay that much used...

Harry Fluks.

Hi Fans,

anyone interested in this ? I just got version 1.0 from the author, but don't
want to email it to all members of the list without asking.

Hannes

Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, West Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)

* [1] The rec.arts.disney FAQ:
Hannes:
> anyone interested in this ? I just got version 1.0 from the author, but don't
> want to email it to all members of the list without asking.

Tom (the maintainer of the FAQ):
> I'm willing to mail to anybody in this group who sends me an e-mail request.
> Version 1.0 (June 6) is still the current revision.

This sounds better than mailing it to the list. The FAQ is great for
lots of things, but not for Disney *comics*. (That's not very
strange, as there really are no frequently asked questions on Disney
comics on r.a.d.) Maybe disney-comics should be mentioned under
"Online sources" (as well as ranger-list), btw.

Of course many Disney comics fans are general Disney fans, so probably
it would be a good idea to give pointers to more general Disney
sources, like the r.a.d. FAQ, in some future FAQ for this list. For
the time being I don't think that's needed, as I think most of the
list members are pretty net-wise and know their way to r.a.d. etc.
After all, you did see my ad for the list... That leads me naturally
to my next subject:

* [2] Who are we?

Harry:
> BTW: is there an Italian in the mailing list? If not, why not? (S)he could
> bring in interseting facts.

No, there isn't. Because noone has asked to join the list. I have
advertised for this list on rec.arts.comics.misc and rec.arts.disney
on Usenet, and someone (sorry, don't remember who) quoted my ad on the
ranger-list. I've also mentioned it on local (Swedish) bbs's. Does
anyone have any recommendations on other places to advertise?

Harry also said that it might be a good idea to list the list members
here once in a while. OK, here we are (sorted by domain):

derrick at cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson)
kesidis at panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis)

Rich.Bellacera at amail.amdahl.com
sje at xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
krieg at titan.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg)
ept2 at gte.com (Ed Tucker)
bereson at ide.com (Alex)
arielle at taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)

Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE

V148RB5B at ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Collin McCulley)
MASSENGALE_M at gold.colorado.edu (Melanie Massengale)
francis at cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
miller at bigsgi.princeton.edu (Stephen T. Miller)
HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (William Hathaway)
nicholas at wam.umd.edu (James Ronald Simonds)
cook at cse.uta.edu (Diane Cook)

tanida at esosun.css.gov (Tom Tanida)
rivers at seismo.css.gov (Wilmer Rivers)

H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)

Anders.Berglund at eua.ericsson.se (Vem annars?)
Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
petrus at alex.stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus)
d88matru at und.ida.liu.se (Mats Rundqvist)
andersw at csd.uu.se (Anders Wass)
gref at student.docs.uu.se (Andreas Gref)
starback at student.docs.uu.se (Per Starback)
Erik.Starback at mat.uu.se

(I hope that nobody minds.) Anyway, the membership is not so
international as one might wish...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Rich> [...] although they have a striking resemblance to the characters in
Rich> JUNGLE BOOK and are indeed fashion after them, they really do
Rich> exist in two different worlds.

Saying that e.g., Baloo and Baloo are two different characters sounds
a bit like cheating. But not too much, as it's pretty much to the
mark. Chip 'n' Dale's Rescue Ranger incarnations probably belong to
the same category (whatever category they *do* belong to) too.

On the other hand all films and cartoons are just films and
cartoons anyway, and not real. They are just actors up there on the
screen, and their real lives can only be read about in the comics. So
there!

Some of the characters I asked about:
> MONTMORENCY. The spelling error was mine (sorry again). This was/is
> Donald's pet dog during a time while the Nephews were living with him.
> I've seen the pooch in several stories which is why I have listed him,
> but as to any real particulars I don't have any. I think BOLIVAR
> (?sp) has probably a more defined background. Sorry about not being
> more help on this one. Anyone else know some more trivia on
> Montmorency that just the fact that he was/is a pet of Donald's?

Donald had lots of pets in the old newspaper strips. I mentioned the
donkey before, but couldn't remember his name --- it is Basilio
(first appearance in May, 1937) --- but from time to time he had also
an ostrich, a penguin, a goat, some hens, goldfish, the cat Kitty, and
probably more!

Bolivar appeared in the newspaper strip in December 1940, and was also
used later by Carl Barks in some of his Donald Duck stories. 1951 his
name was changed to Bornworthy, as Bolivar could remind readers of
Simon Bolivar.

> If you feel that Eli Squinch, Fethry Duck and especially Captain Churchmouse
> and Spooks the Gorilla belong on the list, it is as good as done :)

Certainly Fethry. The Gottfredson characters I'm not that sure about,
as I'm not as familiar with them. Technically those mentioned have
been used in more than one story, but is that really sufficient? Some
characters "feel" like one-shot characters, even though they've
actually been used twice or even more times.

Harry Fluks's comments:
> Is the 2nd pig really called Fifer? Is this an English word? It sounds
> a lot like the German "Pfeiffer" to me.

Don't know if it's a word, but it's his name, alright.

> There was a short series of comic stories in the 60s starring "OO Duck". The
> stories were drawn by Allan Hubbart. They were Studio stories, that never
> appeared in the USA, I think.

That's Al(lan) Hubbard, with -d. One of my favourite Disney artists!

> In the late 70s and 80s, there was a series of stories about a London
> detective, with Mickey Mouse as his helper. The Dutch name of the detective
> was Oliver Flops. Again: Studio stories, not likely to have appeared in the
> USA.

Swedish name "Sp<aa>rlock". Those were S-coded stories in the same
very typical style as the Goofy-as-famous-historical-character
stories, that haven't been published in the US either??

> BTW: in Belgium, marsupilami is the name of a species, not the name of a
> single character (although there may be only one..). He is always referred
> to as THE marsupilami.

Not very Disneysque, but anyway: He's not the only one. Other
marsipulamis were first seen in "Le nid des Marsupilamis" (1972).

> Zeke has a brother in the early comics (Dutch name "Stef"), which has
> a son (Dutch name "Pollo"). Both characters are used in the Dutch wolf
> stories quite a lot.

Maybe Pollo is the same as Izzy?

> In 1987, a "life story of Donald Duck" comic was published in Holland.
> It may have been a copy of an italian story (artwork looks like Rota).

Yeah, that one ("Buon compleanno, Paperino") is by Marco Rota, and was
published 1984 in Italy, to commemorate Donald's 50th birthday.

> Are you sure the stories [with Tone/Tuttan] were from Gutenberghus?
> I always thought that Gutenberghus started about 1970, and that the
> Tone/Tuttan stories were from the Disney Studios, who had a comic
> production for the foreign market since 1963.

No, I wasn't, so you are probably right.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Has anyone heard of the new reprints by Gladstone? The first set ll
be a bi-monthy reprinting the Uncle Scrooge one-pagers. These are going to be
in chronological order and will be computer colored (I assume for restoration
purposes) that will be in 9 volumes. Future volumes will have the complete
Gyro Gearloose in six volumes. This is an addition to the Carl Barks Library
that Gladstone publishes monthly series. The only thing is these are expensive!

Adam

PS- Does anyone knoe exactly which Barks' stories actually made to Disney's
Duck Tales? I read somewhere one of Barks' stories involved the Territes and
the Firmites, and I believe there's a Duck Tale cartoon with the same story. I
know a lot of these stories have been recycled over the years and I thought it
was neat if some of them actually made to the cartoons!

In reply to Adam's message <199208120622.AA29196 at ravel.udel.edu>:

> Has anyone heard of the new reprints by Gladstone? The first set ll
> be a bi-monthy reprinting the Uncle Scrooge one-pagers. These are going to be
> in chronological order and will be computer colored (I assume for restoration
> purposes) that will be in 9 volumes. Future volumes will have the complete
> Gyro Gearloose in six volumes. This is an addition to the Carl Barks Library
> that Gladstone publishes monthly series. The only thing is these are expensiv
e!

The U$ one-pagers will be (or are) in 2 volumes.
The 'Carl Barks Library' is actually the CBL >>of WD's Comics and Stories<<, to
appear in 53 volumes (and, Rich: there will be 54 trading cards).

> PS- Does anyone knoe exactly which Barks' stories actually made to Disney's
> Duck Tales? I read somewhere one of Barks' stories involved the Territes and
> the Firmites, and I believe there's a Duck Tale cartoon with the same story.
I
> know a lot of these stories have been recycled over the years and I thought it
> was neat if some of them actually made to the cartoons!

There was an index on Barks' "Duck Tales" stories once, in one of Gladstone's
comics. I don't know or have the issue(s), but maybe someone else has.

Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Nederland (= Holland)
(apparently the representor of the entire Low Countries in this mailing list)

Dell Comics published a line of comics based on the Disney TV series
"Zorro". The show ran from 1957-59 and the sponsor was 7up. Gold
Key reprinted the comics in the mid 60s when the show was rereleased.

Eclipse Comics has reprinted the Alex Toth Zorro stories from this
period. They are available in two volumes.

Marvel Comics recently published a mini-series of twelve comics based
on "The New Zorro" seen on TBS. Unfortunately, the artwork is abysmal.
The TV show is just as bad, though. I did note that Marvel "borrowed"
some of Alex Toth's work for some covers, though.

I'd be interested to hear from other Zorro fans. I've taped all of the
old episodes from the Disney Channel.

Melanie

THE STORY CODES
---------------

I think it may be interesting to give an overview of the several Disney
comic origins. There are quite a few countries that made Disney stories.
I will try to list them, and give a short description of how to recognize
the stories, mostly by the code.
I do not know all the details, so I if am wrong, please correct me.

The story code can be found on the first page of a story, mostly on the first
page. About 1969/70, Disney told the various publishers that every story
should have a code, from then on. I think that is the time they agreed that
every publisher would choose a different letter to begin the code with.

Most stories as they were (re)printed in Holland before 1970, did not have a
code at all.

And now per country/publisher:

USA - King Features Syndicate
-----------------------------
These are the newspaper comic strips. They are indicated by their
publishing date, sometimes preceded by 'WDP', 'WDE' or 'KFS'.

USA - Western (Dell/Gold Key)
-----------------------------
Western produced stories since 1942 (?). The stories mostly have the code
of the comic they appeared in, e.g. WDC 145 = Walt Disney's Comics and Stories,
#145. This means that all stories that appeared in the same issue have the
same code.
Sometimes, the Dutch reprint had a W or WR before the code: WR-WDC 147.
WR = Western Reprint?

USA - Gladstone
---------------
Gladstone used the code 'AR' for their own stories (mostly Van Horn and Rosa).
AR stands for Another Rainbow, the 'mother' of Gladstone.
For some reason, they started with AR 101.

USA - Disney
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Disney Comics has the habit to code ALL the stories, not only their own.
So, Danish stories get a double code when published in a Disney Comic.
The Disney Code starts with a K, the next letter indicates the comic, then
issue number and year. Example: KD-01-90.
Disney Comics also was the first (?) to give the *covers* a code.

USA - Disney Studio's
---------------------
From 1963, the Disney Studios's produced comics for the 'Foreign market'.
(These are the 'S-coded' stories Per St. was talking about).
In the 60s, the code was built as follows:
1st digit = the last digit of the year
next digits = sequence number.
There was no letter in the code. Example: #6178. This is the 178th story
the studios made in 1966.
From 1970 on, the codes are preceded by an 'S'. (That's why I think they
introduced the letters in 1969/70). Example: S-2106 = 106th story in 1972.
From 1973 on, the story codes contained the last 2 digits of the year, to
avoid ambiguities with the stories from 1963 etc.
(That's why I think the studio's started producing in 1963.)
Example: S-73002.

Denmark - Gutenberghus
----------------------
Gutenberghus produces Disney comics since 1970 (??). They are coded D + 4
digits. They started at D-2000 (? I have never seen a lower D-number).
From the year after they reached D-10000 on,
(1986?) the stories are coded per year, e.g. D-91020.
For some reason, the stories of the Wuzzles, Gummibears and Winnie the pooh
(and some more) have their own story numbers, like D-GUM/101.
I remember some non-Disney stories that also had a D-code; they were
Flintstone stories (published in 1973).

Holland - Oberon
----------------
In Holland, they made an occasional Disney story since 1953. From 1965-1969,
they let the Toonder Studio's make 4-page stories of Li'l bad wolf and
Hiawatha. These stories are *very* Dutch, I think no foreigner would
understand them.
In 1970, the editor started its own production. The editor was then called
Geillustreerde Pers (Illustrated Press), and the first stories were coded
with GP. In 1972, GP was renamed to Oberon, and since then the stories are
H-coded.
From 1969 to 1972, the stories were only numbered by character, e.g.
GP-MM-1 (= the Jippes mouse story).
From 1973 to 1978, the stories were numbered by year *and* character, e.g.
H-DD-7418 (= Jippes; Gladstone identified the story erroneously with H-7418).
Since 1979, the stories are numbered by year only, e.g. H-7934.
(BTW: Oberon is now called Geillustreerde Pers again...)

Italy - Mondadori
-----------------
Since the beginning of the 60s (or late 50s?) Mondadori Studio's produced
many stories, in a very own style.
Most of the stories that are reprinted in Holland have no code; those that
have, have an I, followed by the Italian comic issue (mostly 'Albi d'Oro',
Golden Books)

Germany - Ehapa
---------------
Germany recently had 2 comic album series, for which they produced the stories,
Disney Auto Album and Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest.
The stories are coded with a G.
In Germany, they have (had) more 'own' stories, for the pocket series
'Lustige Taschenbuecher'. They contain Italian stories, glued together with
German intermezzos.
(Right, Hannes?)

Brazil - ?
----------
I have seen *one* Brazilian story in Holland, coded with a B. It was a very
bad story, and I think the rest of the Brazilian production if even worse,
since they never printed other B-stories in Holland.

France - ?
----------
French stories are coded 'F' + French issue. For example, FJM-85001c wich
should be the 3rd story of the French magazine 'Journal de Mickey', volume
1985, issue #1.
The French stories that are reprinted in Holland are mostly about the
Disney Babies and Sport Goofy.

Other countries
---------------
Maybe there are other countries that have their own production? I don't
know.

Any remarks are very welcome.

Harry Fluks.