Great! I think that treatise on the story codes were very much
needed, and I was just going to summarize what I know about them when
your post arrived. I'm glad I didn't have to do that, as your post
was much more informative than mine could ever have been. On to some
questions and comments:
> Most stories as they were (re)printed in Holland before 1970, did
> not have a code at all.
That's about when they started to show us the codes here in Sweden
too. I guess they took the trouble to remove the codes before
publication before that. Sometimes they slipped through even earlier,
though. Especially when they where somewhere else than in the first
panel.
> USA - King Features Syndicate
> -----------------------------
> These are the newspaper comic strips. They are indicated by their
> publishing date, sometimes preceded by 'WDP', 'WDE' or 'KFS'.
Or just `KF'. The date is given as MM-DD-YY (perhaps obvious?), and
it should perhaps be noted that these codes don't identify the strips
(or Sunday pages) uniquely, as e.g., "KF 5/2/65" could be a Donald
Duck Sunday page, or a Mickey Mouse, or something else.
> USA - Disney Studio's
> ---------------------
> From 1963, the Disney Studios's produced comics for the 'Foreign market'.
> (These are the 'S-coded' stories Per St. was talking about).
> In the 60s, the code was built as follows:
> 1st digit = the last digit of the year
> next digits = sequence number.
> There was no letter in the code. Example: #6178. This is the 178th story
> the studios made in 1966.
Are these #-codes the same as the codes that begin with a little
square followed by a number?
What about the X-coded stories? They are also from the Studio, right?
(I think X stands for eXtra.)
> Holland - Oberon
> ----------------
> In Holland, they made an occasional Disney story since 1953. From 1965-1969,
> they let the Toonder Studio's make 4-page stories of Li'l bad wolf and
> Hiawatha. These stories are *very* Dutch, I think no foreigner would
> understand them.
Sounds really interesting, but if you're right I wouldn't understand
it... I love Tom Poes though.
> Italy - Mondadori
> -----------------
> Since the beginning of the 60s (or late 50s?) Mondadori Studio's produced
> many stories, in a very own style.
"When Romano Scarpa first took Mickey Mouse under his artistic wing in
the mid-1950s, ..." (from the introductory text to Scarpa's "Kali's
Nail" in MM 255), so I guess it's the 50s.
> Most of the stories that are reprinted in Holland have no code; those that
> have, have an I, followed by the Italian comic issue (mostly 'Albi d'Oro',
> Golden Books)
Abbrevs are also used. ADO = Albi d'Oro. AT = Almanacco Topolino.
T = Topolino. I've also seen codes like I-1425-A, whatever that
means.
Mondadori doesn't publish Disney stories any longer btw, because
Disney started to publish their own stories in Italy some years ago
(before they took the same step in the USA I think).
--
Per Starback
Author
Topic: 199208
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Per Starbäck
The story codes
Message 46 -
1992-08-13 at 01:32:33
Harry Fluks
The never ending story of Rich's character list
Message 47 -
1992-08-13 at 13:57:58
(Something went wrong the first time, I'll try again)
Per Starback writes:
> Saying that e.g., Baloo and Baloo are two different characters sounds
> a bit like cheating. But not too much, as it's pretty much to the
> mark. Chip 'n' Dale's Rescue Ranger incarnations probably belong to
> the same category (whatever category they *do* belong to) too.
I would go a step further: the characters in Duck Tales are different from
the comic characters they are derived from. Scrooge and the Nephews may be
the same, but Gyro Gearloose, the Beagle Boys and Flintheart Glomgold are
so different, that they are even differently drawn in the comics derived
from the Duck Tales TV-series!
So, the 'old' comics-Gyro is another one than the 'Duck Tales' comics-Gyro!
(Even in comics drawn by the same artist, these characters are different)
In the 'old' comics, the Beagle Boys always have the same length.
> > There was a short series of comic stories in the 60s starring "OO Duck". The
> > stories were drawn by Allan Hubbart. They were Studio stories, that never
> > appeared in the USA, I think.
>
> That's Al(lan) Hubbard, with -d. One of my favourite Disney artists!
Sorry I misspelt the name. I do like his Scamp and his adaptations of
several Disney movies, but his Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are awful
(so, now we can fight about that 8-)
> > Zeke has a brother in the early comics (Dutch name "Stef"), which has
> > a son (Dutch name "Pollo"). Both characters are used in the Dutch wolf
> > stories quite a lot.
>
> Maybe Pollo is the same as Izzy?
He must be. Rich's description of Izzy matches Pollo.
> > In 1987, a "life story of Donald Duck" comic was published in Holland.
> > It may have been a copy of an italian story (artwork looks like Rota).
>
> Yeah, that one ("Buon compleanno, Paperino") is by Marco Rota, and was
> published 1984 in Italy, to commemorate Donald's 50th birthday.
I said 1987, but I meant 1984. It was published in Holland also to his 50th
birthday.
---x---
An then I remember the book 'How to read Donald Duck' by Dorfman and Mattelart.
It is a book from Chile, with a marxist view on the Disney comics.
Published about 1971. Translated in English by David Kunzle. Not published
in the USA because of copyright laws.
In this book, the authors took a lot of Disney comics from Chile from the 60s
and early 70s, and analyzed them. Part of the analysis was a complete list
of all family members of Donald, Mickey etc. that appeared in those comics.
Most of the comics were USA reprints (including Barks stories) and 'S-coded'
stories. David Kunzle translated most family members into English, with the
help of his daughter.
So, the book could be helpful for Rich's list. Unfortunately I don't have
the book. Maybe someone else?
Harry Fluks.
Per Starback writes:
> Saying that e.g., Baloo and Baloo are two different characters sounds
> a bit like cheating. But not too much, as it's pretty much to the
> mark. Chip 'n' Dale's Rescue Ranger incarnations probably belong to
> the same category (whatever category they *do* belong to) too.
I would go a step further: the characters in Duck Tales are different from
the comic characters they are derived from. Scrooge and the Nephews may be
the same, but Gyro Gearloose, the Beagle Boys and Flintheart Glomgold are
so different, that they are even differently drawn in the comics derived
from the Duck Tales TV-series!
So, the 'old' comics-Gyro is another one than the 'Duck Tales' comics-Gyro!
(Even in comics drawn by the same artist, these characters are different)
In the 'old' comics, the Beagle Boys always have the same length.
> > There was a short series of comic stories in the 60s starring "OO Duck". The
> > stories were drawn by Allan Hubbart. They were Studio stories, that never
> > appeared in the USA, I think.
>
> That's Al(lan) Hubbard, with -d. One of my favourite Disney artists!
Sorry I misspelt the name. I do like his Scamp and his adaptations of
several Disney movies, but his Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are awful
(so, now we can fight about that 8-)
> > Zeke has a brother in the early comics (Dutch name "Stef"), which has
> > a son (Dutch name "Pollo"). Both characters are used in the Dutch wolf
> > stories quite a lot.
>
> Maybe Pollo is the same as Izzy?
He must be. Rich's description of Izzy matches Pollo.
> > In 1987, a "life story of Donald Duck" comic was published in Holland.
> > It may have been a copy of an italian story (artwork looks like Rota).
>
> Yeah, that one ("Buon compleanno, Paperino") is by Marco Rota, and was
> published 1984 in Italy, to commemorate Donald's 50th birthday.
I said 1987, but I meant 1984. It was published in Holland also to his 50th
birthday.
---x---
An then I remember the book 'How to read Donald Duck' by Dorfman and Mattelart.
It is a book from Chile, with a marxist view on the Disney comics.
Published about 1971. Translated in English by David Kunzle. Not published
in the USA because of copyright laws.
In this book, the authors took a lot of Disney comics from Chile from the 60s
and early 70s, and analyzed them. Part of the analysis was a complete list
of all family members of Donald, Mickey etc. that appeared in those comics.
Most of the comics were USA reprints (including Barks stories) and 'S-coded'
stories. David Kunzle translated most family members into English, with the
help of his daughter.
So, the book could be helpful for Rich's list. Unfortunately I don't have
the book. Maybe someone else?
Harry Fluks.
Harry Fluks
The story codes
Message 48 -
1992-08-13 at 19:18:18
In reply to Per's comments:
> > USA - King Features Syndicate
>
> Or just `KF'. The date is given as MM-DD-YY (perhaps obvious?)
In the USA, there were only month+day on the newspaper strips, MM-DD, and
a copyright note with the year: (c) King Features Syndicate, in very small
characters.
When reprinted in Europe, the publisher added the date. In Holland they use
sometimes the (ridiculous 8-) American format MM-DD-YY, and sometimes the
European format DD-MM-YY. So if, for example, 7-12-52 and 12-7-52 were both on
a sunday, one can't make out which date the strip is from.
> > USA - Disney Studio's
> >
> > There was no letter in the code. Example: #6178. This is the 178th story
> > the studios made in 1966.
>
> Are these #-codes the same as the codes that begin with a little
> square followed by a number?
I know nothing of a 'little square'. For me, # looks a bit like a square.
Maybe is looks different on your Scandinavian display?
(The shift-digits on my IBM-PC keyboard are: !@#$%^&*() )
> What about the X-coded stories? They are also from the Studio, right?
> (I think X stands for eXtra.)
I never saw an X-code in Holland, but I did see some in a German comic
(Donald Duck Sonderheft), on the same stories that were un-lettered in Holland.
Sometimes, they were even coded 'XTRA'. So you must be 100% right.
> > Italy - Mondadori
>
> I've also seen codes like I-1425-A, whatever that means.
I = Italy (I think 8-)
1425 = issue 1425 of the 'Albi d'Oro' series. All comics in Italy seam to
have an Ad'O number, including the Topolino comics etc.
I'm not 100% sure about this. (Let's persuade some Italian to join
the list 8-).
A = indication that it's the first story of the comic. The 2nd would be coded
I-1425-B, etc.
> Mondadori doesn't publish Disney stories any longer btw, because
> Disney started to publish their own stories in Italy some years ago
> (before they took the same step in the USA I think).
Do they still *produce* comics in Italy? If not, which stories are they
publishing?
I hope there are no more stories produced in Italy, because most of the time
they are rubbish. (Exceptions: Rota, early Scarpa, some very Gottfredson-like
Mouse stories)
Harry.
> > USA - King Features Syndicate
>
> Or just `KF'. The date is given as MM-DD-YY (perhaps obvious?)
In the USA, there were only month+day on the newspaper strips, MM-DD, and
a copyright note with the year: (c) King Features Syndicate, in very small
characters.
When reprinted in Europe, the publisher added the date. In Holland they use
sometimes the (ridiculous 8-) American format MM-DD-YY, and sometimes the
European format DD-MM-YY. So if, for example, 7-12-52 and 12-7-52 were both on
a sunday, one can't make out which date the strip is from.
> > USA - Disney Studio's
> >
> > There was no letter in the code. Example: #6178. This is the 178th story
> > the studios made in 1966.
>
> Are these #-codes the same as the codes that begin with a little
> square followed by a number?
I know nothing of a 'little square'. For me, # looks a bit like a square.
Maybe is looks different on your Scandinavian display?
(The shift-digits on my IBM-PC keyboard are: !@#$%^&*() )
> What about the X-coded stories? They are also from the Studio, right?
> (I think X stands for eXtra.)
I never saw an X-code in Holland, but I did see some in a German comic
(Donald Duck Sonderheft), on the same stories that were un-lettered in Holland.
Sometimes, they were even coded 'XTRA'. So you must be 100% right.
> > Italy - Mondadori
>
> I've also seen codes like I-1425-A, whatever that means.
I = Italy (I think 8-)
1425 = issue 1425 of the 'Albi d'Oro' series. All comics in Italy seam to
have an Ad'O number, including the Topolino comics etc.
I'm not 100% sure about this. (Let's persuade some Italian to join
the list 8-).
A = indication that it's the first story of the comic. The 2nd would be coded
I-1425-B, etc.
> Mondadori doesn't publish Disney stories any longer btw, because
> Disney started to publish their own stories in Italy some years ago
> (before they took the same step in the USA I think).
Do they still *produce* comics in Italy? If not, which stories are they
publishing?
I hope there are no more stories produced in Italy, because most of the time
they are rubbish. (Exceptions: Rota, early Scarpa, some very Gottfredson-like
Mouse stories)
Harry.
Per Starbäck
The story codes
Message 49 -
1992-08-14 at 01:16:03
On KF codes:
Harry> In Holland they use sometimes the (ridiculous 8-) American
Harry> format MM-DD-YY, and sometimes the European format DD-MM-YY. So
Harry> if, for example, 7-12-52 and 12-7-52 were both on a sunday, one
Harry> can't make out which date the strip is from.
*sigh* Maybe it's the same here, I'm not sure.
me> Are these #-codes the same as the codes that begin with a little
me> square followed by a number?
Harry> I know nothing of a 'little square'. For me, # looks a bit like
Harry> a square.
Take away the eight arms, and it becomes a square. That likeness
plus the fact that I've never seen #-codes and you didn't mention
square-codes made me think they were the same.
> Do they still *produce* comics in Italy? If not, which stories are
> they publishing? I hope there are no more stories produced in Italy,
> because most of the time they are rubbish. (Exceptions: Rota, early
> Scarpa, some very Gottfredson-like Mouse stories)
I don't know. I *think* they still produce comics, and that about the
same artists that worked for Mondadori now work for Disney-Italy. I'm
not really sure on any of this though. When the Disney take-overs
began (first Spain, then Italy, then the USA) I heard rumors that
Disney intended to take over the publication of Disney comics all over
the world and intended to have essentially the same comic books
everywhere (translated of course!). Don't know if they ever really
had such plans...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry> In Holland they use sometimes the (ridiculous 8-) American
Harry> format MM-DD-YY, and sometimes the European format DD-MM-YY. So
Harry> if, for example, 7-12-52 and 12-7-52 were both on a sunday, one
Harry> can't make out which date the strip is from.
*sigh* Maybe it's the same here, I'm not sure.
me> Are these #-codes the same as the codes that begin with a little
me> square followed by a number?
Harry> I know nothing of a 'little square'. For me, # looks a bit like
Harry> a square.
Take away the eight arms, and it becomes a square. That likeness
plus the fact that I've never seen #-codes and you didn't mention
square-codes made me think they were the same.
> Do they still *produce* comics in Italy? If not, which stories are
> they publishing? I hope there are no more stories produced in Italy,
> because most of the time they are rubbish. (Exceptions: Rota, early
> Scarpa, some very Gottfredson-like Mouse stories)
I don't know. I *think* they still produce comics, and that about the
same artists that worked for Mondadori now work for Disney-Italy. I'm
not really sure on any of this though. When the Disney take-overs
began (first Spain, then Italy, then the USA) I heard rumors that
Disney intended to take over the publication of Disney comics all over
the world and intended to have essentially the same comic books
everywhere (translated of course!). Don't know if they ever really
had such plans...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starbäck
DuckTales, Barks gifs, and more!
Message 50 -
1992-08-15 at 02:02:03
*** On DuckTales:
Adam Bragg:
> Does anyone knoe exactly which Barks' stories actually made to
> Disney's Duck Tales? I read somewhere one of Barks' stories involved
> the Territes and the Firmites, and I believe there's a Duck Tale
> cartoon with the same story.
The terries and the fermies are in "Land Beneath the Ground" (US 13).
(Anyone remember how to tell a terry from a fermy?) I don't know if
it's been adapted on DT.
Harry Fluks:
> There was an index on Barks' "Duck Tales" stories once, in one of
> Gladstone's comics. I don't know or have the issue(s), but maybe
> someone else has.
I've seen that one too. I guess it was in Gladstone's DuckTales,
though, and if that's the case I don't have it. Looking through
episode listings of DT one can detect many of the adaptations on the
name, e.g., "Micro Ducks from Outer Space", "Back to the Klondike",
"The Land of Tra-la-la", "The Golden Fleecing" etc. I won't bother
trying to list them all though, as I think there already is such a
list.
The episode listings I have are
(1) A listing of the first 66 episodes, compiled by Christopher E.
Barat as a complement to his article on DuckTales in The Barks
Collector #38.
(2) An episode list of DT showed on Disney Afternoon with short
descriptions posted to ranger-list (and r.a.d.?) by "Lucky" Steven
Patrick Calica <spc55721 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> now and then. The latest
version I've saved is revision 2.0.0 from June 7. If anyone wants it,
just ask me to mail you a copy.
*** On Al Hubbard:
Harry:
> Sorry I misspelt the name. I do like his Scamp and his adaptations of
> several Disney movies, but his Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are awful
> (so, now we can fight about that 8-)
Maybe his mice look a bit strange, but there's nothing wrong with his
ducks. IMHO.
Harry again:
> So, the book [How To Read DD] could be helpful for Rich's list.
> Unfortunately I don't have the book. Maybe someone else?
I have it only in a Swedish translation, which won't be of any use for
that purpose.
*** Barks gifs!
There are some Barks gifs available by anonymous ftp from ftp.funet.fi
in /pub/pics/gif/pics/comics/Barks. I haven't seen them, but file
names seem to indicate that many of them are of Barks's oil paintings.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Adam Bragg:
> Does anyone knoe exactly which Barks' stories actually made to
> Disney's Duck Tales? I read somewhere one of Barks' stories involved
> the Territes and the Firmites, and I believe there's a Duck Tale
> cartoon with the same story.
The terries and the fermies are in "Land Beneath the Ground" (US 13).
(Anyone remember how to tell a terry from a fermy?) I don't know if
it's been adapted on DT.
Harry Fluks:
> There was an index on Barks' "Duck Tales" stories once, in one of
> Gladstone's comics. I don't know or have the issue(s), but maybe
> someone else has.
I've seen that one too. I guess it was in Gladstone's DuckTales,
though, and if that's the case I don't have it. Looking through
episode listings of DT one can detect many of the adaptations on the
name, e.g., "Micro Ducks from Outer Space", "Back to the Klondike",
"The Land of Tra-la-la", "The Golden Fleecing" etc. I won't bother
trying to list them all though, as I think there already is such a
list.
The episode listings I have are
(1) A listing of the first 66 episodes, compiled by Christopher E.
Barat as a complement to his article on DuckTales in The Barks
Collector #38.
(2) An episode list of DT showed on Disney Afternoon with short
descriptions posted to ranger-list (and r.a.d.?) by "Lucky" Steven
Patrick Calica <spc55721 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> now and then. The latest
version I've saved is revision 2.0.0 from June 7. If anyone wants it,
just ask me to mail you a copy.
*** On Al Hubbard:
Harry:
> Sorry I misspelt the name. I do like his Scamp and his adaptations of
> several Disney movies, but his Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are awful
> (so, now we can fight about that 8-)
Maybe his mice look a bit strange, but there's nothing wrong with his
ducks. IMHO.
Harry again:
> So, the book [How To Read DD] could be helpful for Rich's list.
> Unfortunately I don't have the book. Maybe someone else?
I have it only in a Swedish translation, which won't be of any use for
that purpose.
*** Barks gifs!
There are some Barks gifs available by anonymous ftp from ftp.funet.fi
in /pub/pics/gif/pics/comics/Barks. I haven't seen them, but file
names seem to indicate that many of them are of Barks's oil paintings.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Hannes.Faestermann
[Harry Fluks: The story codes]
Message 51 -
1992-08-15 at 12:37:08
Hi !
Finally I can answer this - or rather give a comment:
...story code stuff from other countries deleted...
> Germany - Ehapa
> ---------------
> Germany recently had 2 comic album series, for which they produced the
> stories, Disney Auto Album and Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest.
> The stories are coded with a G.
> In Germany, they have (had) more 'own' stories, for the pocket series
> 'Lustige Taschenbuecher'. They contain Italian stories, glued together with
> German intermezzos.
> (Right, Hannes?)
I can't tell about the codes right now as I will have access to my collection
not before beginning of September. But I can give you a bit of information to
the 'Lustige Taschenbuecher' (translatable to 'Funny Pocket Books'): They are
indeed a mix of Italian material and German stuff. In a few of the first
(numbers < 40 I think) - actually I seem to remember 3 - were Barks stories. I
stopped buying them with number 50 or so and then sold the stuff to my cousin
at age 15 or so. As the artwork was not too good it was no loss (I started
collecting comics only at age 21 again).
The first 100-110 numbers had/have (they re-publish the stuff (expression ?)) a
funny peculiarity: They were printed in a mixture of black-and-white and color:
2 opposite pages b&w, the next 2 color and so on...
So far without my collection at hand.
I hope that decreases the gaps in knowledge a bit.
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
Finally I can answer this - or rather give a comment:
...story code stuff from other countries deleted...
> Germany - Ehapa
> ---------------
> Germany recently had 2 comic album series, for which they produced the
> stories, Disney Auto Album and Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest.
> The stories are coded with a G.
> In Germany, they have (had) more 'own' stories, for the pocket series
> 'Lustige Taschenbuecher'. They contain Italian stories, glued together with
> German intermezzos.
> (Right, Hannes?)
I can't tell about the codes right now as I will have access to my collection
not before beginning of September. But I can give you a bit of information to
the 'Lustige Taschenbuecher' (translatable to 'Funny Pocket Books'): They are
indeed a mix of Italian material and German stuff. In a few of the first
(numbers < 40 I think) - actually I seem to remember 3 - were Barks stories. I
stopped buying them with number 50 or so and then sold the stuff to my cousin
at age 15 or so. As the artwork was not too good it was no loss (I started
collecting comics only at age 21 again).
The first 100-110 numbers had/have (they re-publish the stuff (expression ?)) a
funny peculiarity: They were printed in a mixture of black-and-white and color:
2 opposite pages b&w, the next 2 color and so on...
So far without my collection at hand.
I hope that decreases the gaps in knowledge a bit.
Hannes
Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
Physik-Department E17 | Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
TU Muenchen, |
8046 Garching, Germany |
--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)
Per Starbäck
Mail problems + Last Gladstones
Message 52 -
1992-08-15 at 16:31:45
There were some problems with mail earlier this week (I think it's
gone away now) and some people may have missed some messages. Those
who want to make sure they don't missed anything could check this list
of messages that you might have missed and ask me for copies of
anything you like.
Wed Per Starback, "313, Fethry"
Adam Bragg, "Barks albums"
Harry Fluks, "Re: Barks Albums"
Melanie Massengale, "Zorro comics"
Harry Fluks, "The story codes"
Harry Fluks, "Re: New stuff"
Rich Bellacera, "Disney's Original Medium"
Thu Per Starback, "The story codes"
Harry Fluks, "The never ending story of Rich's character list"
Harry Fluks, "Re: The story codes"
Fri Per Starback, "The story codes"
And then something completely different:
What were the last issues of the Gladstone titles?
DD 279 (?)
DDA 20 (?)
DT 13 (?)
M&D 18 (?)
MM 256 (?)
US 242 (I know that one)
USA 21 (?)
WDC 547 (I know that one)
The digests:
WDCD 7 (?)
DDD 5 (?)
USD 5 (?)
MMD 5 (?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
gone away now) and some people may have missed some messages. Those
who want to make sure they don't missed anything could check this list
of messages that you might have missed and ask me for copies of
anything you like.
Wed Per Starback, "313, Fethry"
Adam Bragg, "Barks albums"
Harry Fluks, "Re: Barks Albums"
Melanie Massengale, "Zorro comics"
Harry Fluks, "The story codes"
Harry Fluks, "Re: New stuff"
Rich Bellacera, "Disney's Original Medium"
Thu Per Starback, "The story codes"
Harry Fluks, "The never ending story of Rich's character list"
Harry Fluks, "Re: The story codes"
Fri Per Starback, "The story codes"
And then something completely different:
What were the last issues of the Gladstone titles?
DD 279 (?)
DDA 20 (?)
DT 13 (?)
M&D 18 (?)
MM 256 (?)
US 242 (I know that one)
USA 21 (?)
WDC 547 (I know that one)
The digests:
WDCD 7 (?)
DDD 5 (?)
USD 5 (?)
MMD 5 (?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
On the number of trading cards; the story codes
Message 53 -
1992-08-16 at 13:33:35
I said, in reply to Adam's message <199208120622.AA29196 at ravel.udel.edu>:
>
> The U$ one-pagers will be (or are) in 2 volumes.
> The 'Carl Barks Library' is actually the CBL >>of WD's Comics and Stories<<, t
o
> appear in 53 volumes (and, Rich: there will be 54 trading cards).
I was wrong. The CBL of WDC&S will have 51 volumes, and there will be 52
trading cards, according to the back cover of volume #1.
--x--
And on the story codes: the K-codes of Disney Comics don't seem to be so easy
as I thought. Some codes in the new Disney issues I can't fully explain. They
all start with a K, though.
Harry Fluks.
>
> The U$ one-pagers will be (or are) in 2 volumes.
> The 'Carl Barks Library' is actually the CBL >>of WD's Comics and Stories<<, t
o
> appear in 53 volumes (and, Rich: there will be 54 trading cards).
I was wrong. The CBL of WDC&S will have 51 volumes, and there will be 52
trading cards, according to the back cover of volume #1.
--x--
And on the story codes: the K-codes of Disney Comics don't seem to be so easy
as I thought. Some codes in the new Disney issues I can't fully explain. They
all start with a K, though.
Harry Fluks.
Per Starbäck
DuckTales adaptations of Barks stories
Message 54 -
1992-08-18 at 02:00:17
Wilmer Rivers wrote the following in a letter to me:
| You write:
| > The terries and the fermies are in "Land Beneath the Ground" (US 13).
| > (Anyone remember how to tell a terry from a fermy?)
| You bet! The difference between a bow tie and a four-in-hand is as
| important as the difference between P waves and S waves to us here at
| seismo.css.gov! :) :) :)
|
| > I don't know if it's been adapted on DT.
| Although I don't know much about DT, I have in fact seen that episode.
| The adaptation was rather poor, I thought.
|
| Wilmer Rivers
I've found it now. It had another name, that's why I didn't find it
before. As far as I can see the Barks adaptations on DT are:
# DT title Barks title Source
==========================================================================
6 Robot Robbers The Giant Robot Robbers US 58
9 Hotel Strangeduck *The Old Castle's Secret DDOS 189
10 The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan US 14
17 Maid of the Myth *Mythtic Mystery US 34
18 Down and Out in Duckburg The Horseradish Story USOS 495
24 Sweet Duck of Youth That's No Fable US 32
25 Earth Quack Land Beneath the Ground US 13
28 Micro Ducks from Outer Space US 65
29 Back to the Klondike USOS 456
31 Scrooge's Pet The Lemming with the Locket US 9
36 Merit-Time Adventure *Terror of the River DDOS 108
59 The Status Seekers US 41
L77 The Unbreakable Bin The Unsafe Safe US 38
L85 The Golden Fleecing US 12
L16 The Land of Tra-la-la US 6
The # column shows the number of that episode, in the order they were
originally shown the first season. Later episodes have an L-number,
which is the (arbitrary?) number assigned to the episode in Lucky's
episode list.
The Barks title column shows the title of the Barks story the episode
was an adaptation of, if it is different than the title of the DT
episode. An asterisk (*) indicates that it really isn't an
adaptation, but that some elements are taken from that story.
My sources were the two lists I mentioned before: the one in The Barks
Collector #38, and the one by "Lucky" Steven Patrick Calica. As Harry
Fluks mentioned there was a similar index in one of Gladstone's books.
Maybe someone with access to that could tell if I've missed something?
As for me, I think the only episode I've seen of those above is Tra
La La. I'd prefer the original any day!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
| You write:
| > The terries and the fermies are in "Land Beneath the Ground" (US 13).
| > (Anyone remember how to tell a terry from a fermy?)
| You bet! The difference between a bow tie and a four-in-hand is as
| important as the difference between P waves and S waves to us here at
| seismo.css.gov! :) :) :)
|
| > I don't know if it's been adapted on DT.
| Although I don't know much about DT, I have in fact seen that episode.
| The adaptation was rather poor, I thought.
|
| Wilmer Rivers
I've found it now. It had another name, that's why I didn't find it
before. As far as I can see the Barks adaptations on DT are:
# DT title Barks title Source
==========================================================================
6 Robot Robbers The Giant Robot Robbers US 58
9 Hotel Strangeduck *The Old Castle's Secret DDOS 189
10 The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan US 14
17 Maid of the Myth *Mythtic Mystery US 34
18 Down and Out in Duckburg The Horseradish Story USOS 495
24 Sweet Duck of Youth That's No Fable US 32
25 Earth Quack Land Beneath the Ground US 13
28 Micro Ducks from Outer Space US 65
29 Back to the Klondike USOS 456
31 Scrooge's Pet The Lemming with the Locket US 9
36 Merit-Time Adventure *Terror of the River DDOS 108
59 The Status Seekers US 41
L77 The Unbreakable Bin The Unsafe Safe US 38
L85 The Golden Fleecing US 12
L16 The Land of Tra-la-la US 6
The # column shows the number of that episode, in the order they were
originally shown the first season. Later episodes have an L-number,
which is the (arbitrary?) number assigned to the episode in Lucky's
episode list.
The Barks title column shows the title of the Barks story the episode
was an adaptation of, if it is different than the title of the DT
episode. An asterisk (*) indicates that it really isn't an
adaptation, but that some elements are taken from that story.
My sources were the two lists I mentioned before: the one in The Barks
Collector #38, and the one by "Lucky" Steven Patrick Calica. As Harry
Fluks mentioned there was a similar index in one of Gladstone's books.
Maybe someone with access to that could tell if I've missed something?
As for me, I think the only episode I've seen of those above is Tra
La La. I'd prefer the original any day!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
Last Gladstones
Message 55 -
1992-08-19 at 19:04:11
Per Starback writes:
> What were the last issues of the Gladstone titles?
All issues you mentioned were correct. In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #21, a
complete list of Gladstone comics was presented (in a 'Back issues for sale'
ad). All series ended with a 'last issue' or 'last Gladstone issue'.
To be complete, Gladstone published the following comics:
"regulars":
Donald Duck 246 - 279
Donald Duck Adventures 1-20
Ducktales 1-13
Mickey and Donald 1-18
Mickey Mouse 219-256
Uncle Scrooge 210-242
Uncle Scrooge Adventures 1-21
WD's Comics and Stories 511-547
digests:
WD's Comics Digest 1-7
Donald Duck Comics Digest 1-5
Uncle Scrooge Comics Digest 1-5
Mickey Mouse Comics Digest 1-5
specials:
Disneyland Birthday Party 1
Disneyland Birthday Party Digest 1
Uncle Scrooge Goes To Disneyland 1
Uncle Scrooge Goed To Disneyland Digest 1
Christmas Parade 1-2
Pinocchio Special 1
Snow White Magazine 1
Now, what will be the last Disney Comics issues? (can't wait to see them 8-)
Harry Fluks
H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
" "
(This is a quote from the Barks story 'Flipism', as it appeared in Holland.
They forgot to fill in the text balloon in one panel)
> What were the last issues of the Gladstone titles?
All issues you mentioned were correct. In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #21, a
complete list of Gladstone comics was presented (in a 'Back issues for sale'
ad). All series ended with a 'last issue' or 'last Gladstone issue'.
To be complete, Gladstone published the following comics:
"regulars":
Donald Duck 246 - 279
Donald Duck Adventures 1-20
Ducktales 1-13
Mickey and Donald 1-18
Mickey Mouse 219-256
Uncle Scrooge 210-242
Uncle Scrooge Adventures 1-21
WD's Comics and Stories 511-547
digests:
WD's Comics Digest 1-7
Donald Duck Comics Digest 1-5
Uncle Scrooge Comics Digest 1-5
Mickey Mouse Comics Digest 1-5
specials:
Disneyland Birthday Party 1
Disneyland Birthday Party Digest 1
Uncle Scrooge Goes To Disneyland 1
Uncle Scrooge Goed To Disneyland Digest 1
Christmas Parade 1-2
Pinocchio Special 1
Snow White Magazine 1
Now, what will be the last Disney Comics issues? (can't wait to see them 8-)
Harry Fluks
H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
" "
(This is a quote from the Barks story 'Flipism', as it appeared in Holland.
They forgot to fill in the text balloon in one panel)
Per Starbäck
Last Gladstones
Message 56 -
1992-08-20 at 00:53:10
Harry Fluks:
> To be complete, Gladstone published the following comics:
> "regulars": [...]
> digests: [...]
> specials: [...]
And also some Albums, Giant Albums, and the hardcover book _Uncle
Scrooge in Color_. That's all though. I think.
Thanks for the list, btw. Now I know that "Mickey Mouse" and "Mickey
and Donald" are the only Gladstone titles I've got everything of.
I don't like the practice of starting over with #1 for titles that
already existed btw. There is a Walt Disney's Comics Digest #1 from
Gladstone, but there was one before too. And Disney made it worse by
starting over with #1 for Ducktales, Donald Duck Adventures and Mickey
Mouse Adventures... I guess it's because #1's sell better? Anyway,
it can be confusing.
[Reminder: It's less than 48 hours left to send in your answers to my
quote quiz.]
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> To be complete, Gladstone published the following comics:
> "regulars": [...]
> digests: [...]
> specials: [...]
And also some Albums, Giant Albums, and the hardcover book _Uncle
Scrooge in Color_. That's all though. I think.
Thanks for the list, btw. Now I know that "Mickey Mouse" and "Mickey
and Donald" are the only Gladstone titles I've got everything of.
I don't like the practice of starting over with #1 for titles that
already existed btw. There is a Walt Disney's Comics Digest #1 from
Gladstone, but there was one before too. And Disney made it worse by
starting over with #1 for Ducktales, Donald Duck Adventures and Mickey
Mouse Adventures... I guess it's because #1's sell better? Anyway,
it can be confusing.
[Reminder: It's less than 48 hours left to send in your answers to my
quote quiz.]
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Major Matt Mason
Testing...
Message 57 -
1992-08-21 at 01:53:10
Just checking the connection here.
-MMM-
-MMM-
Mark Semich
Don Rosa?
Message 58 -
1992-08-21 at 05:29:10
I'd have to say that Don Rosa has done some of my favorite duck
stories - forgive me if this question has been beaten into the ground,
but does anyone know just what happened between him and Disney and if
he'll be doing anymore work for them?
mas at csa.bu.edu
stories - forgive me if this question has been beaten into the ground,
but does anyone know just what happened between him and Disney and if
he'll be doing anymore work for them?
mas at csa.bu.edu
Per Starbäck
Don Rosa
Message 59 -
1992-08-21 at 06:18:17
Mark Semich wrote:
> I'd have to say that Don Rosa has done some of my favorite duck stories
I was not that enthralled with Rosa at first, preferring e.g., Van
Horn who had more of a style of his own, instead of wanting to look
just like Unca Carl. But, after a while I came to appreciate Rosa
more and more, and I also think he has done some great stories.
> forgive me if this question has been beaten into the ground,
I don't think any question has. The list is still rather new...
> but does anyone know just what happened between him and Disney and
> if he'll be doing anymore work for them?
I don't know if there was anything more to it, but as far as I've
understood it, it was about his originals. Rosa wanted them back
after they were used, but Disney wouldn't let him.
Anyway, now Don Rosa is working for Gutenberghus, the Danish producer
of Disney comics, so there'll be more Rosa stories. Part of the deal
for Gutenberghus and other Disney comics producers are that all their
comics are up for grabs for any other Disney comics producer, so
Rosa's stories can still be published in the US, but we in Scandinavia
will probably see them first. Nyaah nyaaah! :-)
Tore Urnes has made a Don Rosa index that was published on the net
last year, and I've typed in the Rosa index that appeared in Swedish
duck fanzine NAFS(k)uriren. I think I remember list member Andrew
Krieg writing that he was working on merging the information in the
two lists. Is that so?
[Reminder: Less than 17 hours left to answer my Barks quote quiz!]
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> I'd have to say that Don Rosa has done some of my favorite duck stories
I was not that enthralled with Rosa at first, preferring e.g., Van
Horn who had more of a style of his own, instead of wanting to look
just like Unca Carl. But, after a while I came to appreciate Rosa
more and more, and I also think he has done some great stories.
> forgive me if this question has been beaten into the ground,
I don't think any question has. The list is still rather new...
> but does anyone know just what happened between him and Disney and
> if he'll be doing anymore work for them?
I don't know if there was anything more to it, but as far as I've
understood it, it was about his originals. Rosa wanted them back
after they were used, but Disney wouldn't let him.
Anyway, now Don Rosa is working for Gutenberghus, the Danish producer
of Disney comics, so there'll be more Rosa stories. Part of the deal
for Gutenberghus and other Disney comics producers are that all their
comics are up for grabs for any other Disney comics producer, so
Rosa's stories can still be published in the US, but we in Scandinavia
will probably see them first. Nyaah nyaaah! :-)
Tore Urnes has made a Don Rosa index that was published on the net
last year, and I've typed in the Rosa index that appeared in Swedish
duck fanzine NAFS(k)uriren. I think I remember list member Andrew
Krieg writing that he was working on merging the information in the
two lists. Is that so?
[Reminder: Less than 17 hours left to answer my Barks quote quiz!]
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
Don Rosa
Message 60 -
1992-08-21 at 11:48:17
Per Starback wrote:
Per> Anyway, now Don Rosa is working for Gutenberghus, the Danish producer
Per> of Disney comics, so there'll be more Rosa stories. (...)
Per> we in Scandinavia will probably see them first. Nyaah nyaaah! :-)
It would be nice if you Scandinavians would inform us non-Sc. about a new
Rosa story when it appears.
BTW: The most recent Rosa story I know of is 'War of the Wendigo'. Is it about
Peeweegahs? If so, it will be published in Holland in september.
Per> Tore Urnes has made a Don Rosa index that was published on the net
Per> last year, and I've typed in the Rosa index that appeared in Swedish
Per> duck fanzine NAFS(k)uriren. I think I remember list member Andrew
Per> Krieg writing that he was working on merging the information in the
Per> two lists. Is that so?
Well, if he didn't, I did. I used Per's list and filled in the American
publications of the Danish stories, and all known Rosa covers (from Tore's
list and own observation).
I also replaced the Swedish publication issues by Dutch.
I sent this list on request to Melanie M. and George K. a few weeks ago.
Maybe someone [Andrew? Per? me?] could make a 'definite' Rosa-list and post
it as a sort of FAQ?
BTW: I don't know why Rosa went working for Holland during the Gladstone
period, but I can imagine why he stopped working for them: Dutch editor
Thom Roep DOES NOT LIKE the artwork of Rosa. He thinks it is too crowded,
too many background, too many text. (I disagree with him.)
That is why the Rosa stories appear only in the monthly "DD Extra" in Holland,
on less quality paper and using the Scandinavian colouring. The "Donald Duck"
weekly, the best sold, best quality Dutch Disney issue, only showed Rosa
stories a few times. And the hilarious 'Silver platter' story has still not
been published yet in Holland!
Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Leidschendam, Nederland
"It's gneiss"
"I think it's nice too, but what IS it?"
Per> Anyway, now Don Rosa is working for Gutenberghus, the Danish producer
Per> of Disney comics, so there'll be more Rosa stories. (...)
Per> we in Scandinavia will probably see them first. Nyaah nyaaah! :-)
It would be nice if you Scandinavians would inform us non-Sc. about a new
Rosa story when it appears.
BTW: The most recent Rosa story I know of is 'War of the Wendigo'. Is it about
Peeweegahs? If so, it will be published in Holland in september.
Per> Tore Urnes has made a Don Rosa index that was published on the net
Per> last year, and I've typed in the Rosa index that appeared in Swedish
Per> duck fanzine NAFS(k)uriren. I think I remember list member Andrew
Per> Krieg writing that he was working on merging the information in the
Per> two lists. Is that so?
Well, if he didn't, I did. I used Per's list and filled in the American
publications of the Danish stories, and all known Rosa covers (from Tore's
list and own observation).
I also replaced the Swedish publication issues by Dutch.
I sent this list on request to Melanie M. and George K. a few weeks ago.
Maybe someone [Andrew? Per? me?] could make a 'definite' Rosa-list and post
it as a sort of FAQ?
BTW: I don't know why Rosa went working for Holland during the Gladstone
period, but I can imagine why he stopped working for them: Dutch editor
Thom Roep DOES NOT LIKE the artwork of Rosa. He thinks it is too crowded,
too many background, too many text. (I disagree with him.)
That is why the Rosa stories appear only in the monthly "DD Extra" in Holland,
on less quality paper and using the Scandinavian colouring. The "Donald Duck"
weekly, the best sold, best quality Dutch Disney issue, only showed Rosa
stories a few times. And the hilarious 'Silver platter' story has still not
been published yet in Holland!
Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Leidschendam, Nederland
"It's gneiss"
"I think it's nice too, but what IS it?"