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Bereson
Please remove me from the disney mailing list
Thanks
Alex
Harry Fluks
There was a question a while ago about the place of Duckburg. There was a
discussion about this last year on rec.arts.disney. If I remember well, the
outcome was that it can not be desided where Duckburg is, if you take ALL
the comic stories.

In most of the stories, though, Duckburg is a town in the west of the USA.
Barks placed Duckburg in the state of Calisota, USA.

Some loose remarks:

1. In Scarpa's story "Amundsen's Talisman", Duckburg is very clearly
situated (on a map) on the site of Los Angeles.

2. Before Donald went do Duckburg, he lived in several places:
- Hollywood (see the address of the letter from his sister/cousin
D[umb]ella in a previous thread)
- Burbanks (where the Disney Studios were; Burbanks is mentioned in the
Barks story "Maharajah Donald")

- Quackville (in the march 1944 issue of Walt Disney's Comics & Stories,
in Barks's 7-page "Kite" story, Donald is reading the "Daily Quack"
from "Quackville" on the last page)

3. According to Rich Bellacera, Mickey lives in Mouseton, USA. But in most
of the old comics where Donald and Mickey star together, they live in
the same town. So Mickey must have moved recently.

4. When looking to some Barks stories, one can tell a few things about
Duckburg:
- it has a beach (and a light tower)
- it is near the desert, and some peaks like "Old Demon's Tooth" are
nearby
- it _always_ snows with Christmas
- it has a (Dutch-type) dike to protect the city from the sea
- it has a river
- Scrooge's money bin is prominently situated on a hill
(Rosa called it "Killmotor Hill". Is this a genuine Barks name?)
on the place of old Fort Duckburgh.
- Scrooge's money bin is on a street corner
- etc. etc.

5. In some of the (older) european stories, Donald has to fly to go to the
Wild West, while his car can take him to, let's say, Italy.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"

P.S. Per, have you been to the Duckburg comics convention, last Septober? 8-)
Per Starbäck
Once upon a time there was a thread here about why there are so many
uncles and cousins and so few parents in Disney comics. There are
many possible explanations, and some of them were mentioned. I
think the answer is a combination of several things, one of the most
important being that no creator had full control of the stories. More
distant relatives are easier to create on the fly and then discard
later. E.g., when Huey, Dewey, and Louie were introduced in the strip
they were meant to be used for a series of gags for a while.
Introducing sons of Donald would have been harder, and they would
have been harder to get rid of afterwards. (In this case they became
regulars, but noone knew that they would back then.)

When mentioning parenthoods that after all do exist in Disney comics
I think you all missed one of the most important: Big Bad Wolf and
Li'l Bad Wolf.

Jamal wrote (a couple of weeks ago):
> The same problem came up concerning Uncle Scrooge's age. (Some of you
> may remember how one perticular date changes in a reprint of "Only
> a Poor old Man", when Scrooge is relating a story to Donald... or
> was that a different story? the Terra Firmy one? Or mabye the Golden
> Fleace? Bleah.)

I have the Golden Fleecing in a Whitman Dynabrite Comic from 1978 (?)
and there Scrooge mentions "this old broadcloth that I bought at a
rummage sale in Scotland in 1924". I guess that year is changed in
the reprint (what was is originally?), and I think there are several
similar changes in other reprints. Apropos Scrooge's age there is a
Barks one-pager from US 12 (the very book that contained the original
printing of Golden Fleecing!) where Scrooge celebrates his
seventy-fifth birthday. The cover date for US 12 was "Dec.-Feb 1956"
so if the story took place in 1955 or 1956 Scrooge is born in 1880 or
1881, but that is perhaps a bit early. Jack L. Chalker gets his year
of birth to be in the range 1860-1865, and Don Rosa's drawing of
Scrooge's grave shows it as 1867.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"And this dollar---1882! I got that in Montana
where I punched cows while I looked for a homestead!"
Rich.Bellacera
Harry:
> > 3. According to Rich Bellacera, Mickey lives in Mouseton, USA. But in most
> > of the old comics where Donald and Mickey star together, they live in
> > the same town. So Mickey must have moved recently.

Per:
> Or maybe Mickey stayed when Donald moved on to Duckburg?

Actually, as far as the name "Mouseton" goes, it comes from one of the last
multi-part stories in Mickey Mouse Adventures published under the Disney name.
I believe it had something to do with Emil Eagle or Prince Pinguin and had to
do with Mickey saving the hometown of his, Minnie's, Horace's and
Clarabelle's. The townsfolk named or maybe renamed thier town in honor of
Mickey. Due to their conspiquos absence, I don't believe that Donald and
Daisy lived in the same comicbook town as Mickey and Minnie. However, since
Goofy often did come around and assist Mickey, I take it Goofy does, or at
least did, live in Mouseton too. According to Goof Troop's premiere episode
we witnessed Goofy and his son, Max's, move form 'somewhere'(not told) to the
hometown of Pete & Peg (Trudy?) named Spoonerville.

I have another guess for a hometown:

St. Canard (home of Darkwing Duck). From all appearances I would surmise that
it is suppose to be San Fransico. Mostly because of it's coastland/metropolis
appearance and a very distinctive 'bridge.' SOme might suggest it is actually
New York City. I don't know, but I thought I read somewhere that it was S.F.

-Rich
Fredrik Ekman
Here it is, finally: The International Disney Comic Character Names
list 2.0. Version 1.0 (for anyone who may be wondering) is Per
Starback's original list mailed to this list on the 30th of March. It
took a little longer than I had expected. One reason for this is that
I was desperately trying to find a standard format to type latin
letters in 7-bit ASCII. I finally decided on Latin-1, only to find
that it wasn't complete enough for my needs. Oh, well! You'll just
have to stick with it the way it is.

I have kept Per's general format and made some slight modifications to
it. I have also added all those names that have been mailed by others,
as well as a few of my own. My own additions include some Greek and
Arabic names. For these, I have attempted to do my own translitte-
rations. These are question marked and NOT TO BE TRUSTED!! In the end,
I didn't delete any of Per's names. Those would have been too few to
make any difference anyway.

So, I have done my part of this and now I need Your Help! Per informs
me that, considering the country codes of the e-mail addresses, the
following languages should be represented on this mailing list: English,
Swedish, Dutch, German, Danish, Spanish, Italian, Finnish and Portugese.
This, of course, means that we should be able to get at least a fairly
complete and correct list for the most common names in those languages.
What I want you to do is:

1. Straighten out the question marks. Wherever a question mark, there
is something uncertain (spelling, et c). If you know that such a word
is either correct or incorrect, mail me the facts.

2. Correct errors. There are bound to be dozens of them. I haven't been
able to verify all my sources, and my sources (Per, et c) haven't been
able to verify all their sources.

3. Add more translations. For the names already on the list, and any
other names that you think should be added.

A final note: Do not mail the corrections to the address that I'm
sending this from, but to d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se. This other address I
use only when I have to send very long messages, since my normal mail
program can't handle text files longer than 10k (such as this one).

/Fredrik Ekman

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International Disney Comic Character Names ver 2.0
===================================================

Legend:

The list is divided into several paragraphs; one for each character.
Every paragraph is further divided into several lines; one for each
language. Each line begins with a two-letter code indicating what
language the name is in. If there are several countries using the
same language, but that have different names, a dash and a two-letter
country code (or equivalent) is added. The language codes are from
ISO 639, and the following are used:

ar:Arabic
bg:Bulgarian
cs:Czech
da:Danish
de:German
el:Greek
en:English
es-ar:Spanish (in Argentina)
es-es:Spanish (in Spain)
es-mx:Spanish (in Mexico)
et:Estonian
fi:Finnish
fr:French
hu:Hungarian
is:Icelandic
it:Italian
la:Latin
nl-fl:Flemish
nl-nl:Dutch
no:Norwegian
pl:Polish
pt:Portuguese
ru:Russian
sh:Serbo-Croatian
sk:Slovak
sv:Swedish
zh:Chinese

After the language code follows the name of the character. If the
language does not use the latin alphabet, the name is translitte-
rated. Non-English letters are written with additional accents and
the like before or after each letter. Title or part of name that is
often omitted is included in parantheses. Different names for the
same character that are used more or less interchangeably are sepa-
rated by a slash (/). Different translations of the same name are
separated by a pipe (|). If there is any serious doubt regarding the
correctness of the name (spelling, correct character, et c), there is
a question mark after the name. Any comments are put at the end of
the line in [brackets].

Please mail any corrections or additions to: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se

The list:

en:Donald Duck
it:(Paolino) Paperino
pt:Pato Donald
sv:Kalle Anka
de:Donald Duck
da:Anders And
fi:Aku Ankka
no:Donald Duck
nl-nl:Donald Duck
nl-fl:Donald Duck
es-es:Donaldo
es-mx:Pato Donald
es-ar:Pato Donald
pl:Kacer Donald | Kaczor Donald(?)
ar:Battouta
ru:Donald
et:Piilupart Donald
sk:Ujo Donald | Ka'c`'er Donald
bg:Patoka Donald
hu:Donald Kacsa
zh:Tang Lao Ya
is:Andr'es "Ond
la:Donaldus Anas
sh:Paja Patak
cs:Donald Duck
el:Ntonalt Ntak
fr:Donald

en:Huey, Dewey and Louie
sv:Knatte, Fnatte och Tjatte / Knattarna
nl-nl:Kwik, Kwek en Kwak
nl-fl:Loeki, Joost, Victor
es?:Jorgito, Juanito y Jaimito
es-es:Juanito, Jotgito y Juaimito
es-mx:Hugo, Paco y Louis
es-ar:Huguito, Dieguito y Luisito
no:Ole, Dole og Doffen
da:Rip, Rap og Rup
it:Qui, Quo, Qua
pt:Huguinho, Zezinho, Louisinho
de:Tick, Trick und Track
pl:Dyzio, Zyzio, Hyzio
ar:Sou Sou, Tou Tou, Fou Fou
ru:Billy, Willy, Dilly
sk:Tuj, Luj, Muj
is:Rip, Rap, Rup
fi:Tupu, Hupu ja Lupu
sh:Gaio, Raio, Vlaio
fr:Loulou, Riri et Fifi
el:Chiouh, Liouh kai Ntiouh(?)

en:Junior Woodchucks
sv:Gr"ong"olingarna
es-es:Jovenes Castores
nl-nl:Jonge Woudlopers
da:Gr"onspaetterne
el:Mikron Exereunhton(?)

en:Daisy Duck
sv:Kajsa Anka
nl-nl:Katrien Duck
nl-fl:Daisy
it:Paperina
pt:Margarida
de:Daisy Duck
da:Andersine And
es-es:Daisy
es-mx:Daisy
es-ar:Margarita
pl:Daisy
is:Andr'es'ina
no:Dolly Duck
fi:Iines Ankka
sh:Pata
fr:Daisy
ar:Zizka(?)

en:April, May and June
sv:Titti, Pippi och Kicki
nl-nl:Lizzy, Juultje en Babetje
fi:Leenulle, Liinulle ja Tiinulle / Leenua, Liinua ja Tiinua
da:Kylle, Pylle og Rylle
no:Hetti, Letti og Netti

en:Uncle Scrooge / Scrooge McDuck
sv:Farbror Joakim / Joakim von Anka
da:Onkel Joakim / Joakim von And
de:Onkel Dagobert / Dagobert Duck
nl-nl:Oom Dagobert / Dagoberg Duck
nl-fl:Oom Jeremias
es-es:Tio Gilito
es-mx:Tio Rico
es-ar:Tio Patilludo
it:Zio Paperone / Paperon de Paperoni
pt:Tio Patinha
pl:Wujer Sknerus / Sknero MacKwak
ar:Amm Da Hab
et:Onu Robert
sk:Drzgros / Ujoo Drz`'gros`'
is: / J'oakim "Ond
no:Onkel Skrue
fi: / Roope Ankka
fr:Oncle Picsou
sh:Cika Baja
hu: / Dagoberg Ba'csi
la: / Scrugulus Anas

en:Beagle Boys
sv:Bj"ornligan
es-es:Golfos Apandadores
es-mx:Chicos Malos
it:Banda Bassotti
pt:Irmaos Metralha
de:Panzerknacker
da:Bj"ornebanden
pl:Bracia B.
ru:Guff Brothers(?)
et:Peniposoid
fi:Karhukopla
nl-nl:De Zware Jongens
no:B-gjengen
fr:Les Rapetou
el:Mpanta Ton Lukon(?)

en:Grandma Duck
sv:Farmor Anka
nl-nl:Oma Duck
it:Nonna Papera
pt:Vovo' Donalda
de:Oma Gans
da:Bedstemor And
es-es:Abuela Donalda / La abuela
no:Bestemor Duck
fi:Mummo Ankka

en:Gus Goose
sv:Maarten Gaas
da:Guf
nl-nl:Gijs Gans
no:Guffen

en:Gladstone Gander
sv:Alexander Lukas
nl-nl:Guus Geluk
es-es:Narciso Bello
es-mx:Panfilo
es-ar:Gaston
it:Gastone
pt:Gastao
de:Gustav Gans
da:Faetter H"ojben
fi:Hannu Hanhi
no:Anton Antonsen
fr:Gontran Bonheur
sh:Sretsko Sretskovits

en:Gyro Gearloose
sv:Oppfinnar-Jocke | Uppfinnar-Jocke
de:Daniel D"usentrieb
nl-nl:Willie Wortel | Willy
nl-fl:Giro Giroscoop
es-es:Ungenio Tarconi
es-mx:Ciro Peraloca
it:Archimede Pitagorico
pt:Professor Pardal
da:George Gearlos [Or is it Gearl"os?]
ar:Abkarino
ru:Wint(?)
et:Leidur Leo
no:Smarte-Petter | Petter Smart
fi:Pelle Peloton
sh:Proka Pronalazac
fr:Geo Trouvetout

en:Little Helper
sv:Medhj"alpare
de:Helferchen(?)
nl-nl:Lampje
it:Edi

en:Newton
sv:Newton

en:Flintheart Glomgold
sv:Guld-Ivar Flinthj"arta
da:Guld-Iver Flinthaard
fi:Kroisos Pennonen
nl-nl:Govert Goudglans [This name has also been used for Rockerduck]

en:Magica De Spell
sv:Magica de Hex
it:Amelia
pt:Maga Patalogika
de:Gundel Gaukelei
da:Hexia de Trick [Or is it Trix?]
es-es:Magica
es-mx:Bruja Magica
pl:Magica de Czar
fi:Milla Magia
nl-nl:Magica
fr:Miss Tick
no:Magica fra Tryll
ar:Sodia(?)

en:Ludwig van Drake
sv:Ludvig von Anka
da:Raptus von And
no:Ludvig von Duck
fi:Taavi Ankka
nl-nl:Otto van Drakenstein

en:Fethry Duck
sv:Knase Anka
no:Fetter Klodrik
it:Paperoga
pt:Peninha
de:Dussel Duck
da:Faetter Vims [Or is it Voms?]
es-es:Patoso
es-mx:Copetes
nl-nl:Diederik Duck

en:Moby Duck
sv:Moby Duck
nl-nl:Moby Duck

en:Porpy the Porpoise
sv:Tumle

en:Dim-Witty
sv:Blunder

en:Neighbor (J.) Jones
sv:(Olle) Olsson
nl-nl:Buurman Bolderbast
es-es:Se~nor Olson(?)

en:Clara Cluck
sv:Klara Kluck
fi:Klaara Kotko(?)
nl-nl:Klaartje Kip

en:Mickey Mouse
sv:Musse Pigg
it:Topolino
pt:Mickey Mouse
de:Micky Maus
es-es:Raton Mickey
es-mx:Raton Miguelito
ex-ar:Raton Mickey
pl:Myszka Mikey | Miki
ar:Mickey
ru:Mickey Mouse
et:Mikki Hiir
sk:Mysiak Mickey | Mys`'jak Miky
bg:Miki Maus
hu:Miki Ege'r
zh:Mi Lao Shu
da:Mickey Mouse
is:Mikki M'us
no:Mikke Mus
fi:Mikki Hiiri
nl-nl:Mickey Mouse
nl-fl:Mickey Mouse
sh:Miki Maus
el:Mikki Maous
fr:Mickey
cs:Mickey Mouse

en:Minnie Mouse
sv:Mimmi Pigg
da:Minnie Mouse
no:Minni Mus
fi:Minni Hiiri
nl-nl:Minnie Mouse
hu:Minni
pl:Myszka Minnie
fr:Minnie
ar:Minnie(?)

en:Goofy
sv:(Jan) Laangben
it:Pippo
pt:Pateta
de:Goofy
da:Fedtmule
es-es:Goofy
es-mx:Tribilin
es-ar:Dippy
pl:Goofy
ar:Bondock
et:Kupi
is:Ferdinand
no:Langbein
fi:Hessu Hopo
nl-nl:Goofy
fr:Dingo
sh:Silja
cs:Goofy
sk:Grambi'os
el:Gkoufh(?)

en:Super Goof
sv:Staal-Laangben
nl-nl:Supergoof
da:Super-Mule

en:Gilbert
sv:Gilbert

en:Black Pete / Big (Bad) Pete / Peg-Leg Pete
sv:Svarte Petter
it:Gamba di legno
pt:Joao Bafo de Onsa
de:Kater Karlo
da:Sorte Per
nl-nl:Boris Boef
nl-fl:Zwarte Pier
es-es:Pete Patapalo
es-mx:Pedro el malo
es-ar:Pete Pata de Palo
no:Svarte-Petter
fi:Musta Pekka
fr:Pat Hibulaire
sh:Veliki Pit
el:Mauros Pht(?)

en:Pluto (the Pup)
sv:Pluto
da:Pluto
is:Pl'ut'o
no:Pluto
fi:Pluto
hu:Plu'to'
sk:Pluto
cs:Pluto
nl-nl:Pluto
fr:Pluto
el:Plouto(?)

en:Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse
sv:Teddi och Freddi
da:Mik og Mak
fi:Martti ja Vertti
nl-nl:Puk en Max Mouse
no:Tipp og Topp

en:Horace Horsecollar
sv:Klasse
da:Klaus Krikke(?)
fi:Poni Koninkaulus(?)
nl-nl:Karel Paardepoot
es-es:Horacio

en:Clarabelle Cow
sv:Klarabella
da:Nora Malkeko(?)
fi:Heluna(?)
cs:Kla'ry
nl-nl:Clarabella Koe
es-es:Clarabella
fr:Clarabelle

en:The (Phantom) Blot
sv:Sp"okplumpen
nl-nl:Fantomerik
de:Phantomias | Das Schwarze Phantom
it:Paperinik
nl-nl:De zwarte Schim
da:Sorte Klat
no:Sp"okelsekladden

en:Idgit the Midgit
sv:Putte
no:Mikro-Midas
da:Puslingen
de:Zwerg Zwetschge

en:Dangerous Dan McBoo
sv:Kn"olen
no:Farlige Fiffus
da:Farlige Fritz

en:Chief O'Hara
sv:Kommissarie Karlsson
it:Commisarion Basettoni
pt:Coronel Cintra
de:Kommissar Hunter
da:Politimester Striks
es-es:El Capitan O'Hara
es-mx:Jefe O'Hara
pl:Szef O'Hara
ar:Moaffatish Sorrour
et:Politisei Kommisar Fip
nl-nl:Comissaris O'Hara
fr:Le comissaire Finot
el:Epitheorhta(?)

en:Witch Hazel / Hazel the Witch
sv:Tyra Trollpacka
nl-nl:Hortensia Heks

en:Zeke Wolf / The Big Bad Wolf
sv:Zeke Varg / Stora Stygga Vargen
nl-nl:Midas Wolf / De (Grote) Boze Wolf
pl:Gazety Wilczek
da: / Store Stygge Ulv
de:Ede Wolf / Der B"ose Wolf
fr:Z`eke le Loup / Grand Loup
no: / Storeulv
fi:Sepe Susi(?)

en:Li'l Bad Wolf
sv:Lilla (Sn"alla) Vargen | Lilla Stygga Vargen
nl-nl:De Kleine Boze Wolf | Wolfje [Or should '|' be '/'?]
pl:Maly Wilczek
da:Lille Stygge Ulv
fr:P'tit Loup
no:Lilleulv
ar:Tdaob(?)

en:Izzy Wolf
sv:Smockan
nl-nl:Pollo

en:Three Little Pigs
sv:Tre smaa grisar
pl:Trzy Male S'winki
nl-nl:De Drie Biggetjes
fr:Les trois petits Cochons

en:Fiddler Pig
sv:Bror Lustig [Or is this Bror Hurtig?]
nl-nl:Knir [Or is this Knar?]

en:Fifer Pig
sv:Bror Hurtig [Or is this Bror Lustig?]
nl-nl:Knar [Or is this Knir?]

en:Practical Pig
sv:Bror Duktig
nl-nl:Knor
da:Praktiske Bror
fr:Naf-Naf

en:Brer Bear
sv:Bror Bj"orn
nl-nl:Meneer Beer | Bruin Beer
da:Bror Bj"orn
fi:Nalle
fr:Fr`ere Ours

en:Brer Fox
sv:Bror R"av
nl-nl:Meneer Vos | Reintje Vos
da:Bror Raev

en:Brer Rabbit
sv:Bror Kanin
nl-nl:Broer Konijn
da:Bror Kanin

en:(John D.) Rockerduck
sv:von Pluring
it:Rockerduck
pt:Pataconcio
de:Klaas Klever
da:Andy Anderbilt
es-es:Rockerduck
es-mx:Titus Bondi
nl-nl:Leopold Kvartjesvinder | Klaas Klever | Rockerduck

en:Eega Beeva
it:Eta Beta
pt:Esqualidus
de:Gamma
es-es:Bip Bip
es-ar:Scualidus
sv:Eta Beta | Ecki Becki | Fega Knega
nl-nl:Ega Beva

en:Emil Eagle
da:"Ojvind "Orn
sv:Emil "Orn
nl-nl:Arend Akelig
no:"Ornulf "Orn

en:Mad Madam Mim
da:Madam Mim
fi:Matami Mimmi
sv:Madam Mim
nl-nl:Madam Mikmak

en:Jiminy Cricket
da:Jesper Faarekylling
no:Benjamin Gresshoppe
fi:Samu Sirkka
sv:Benjamin Syrsa
nl-nl:Japie Krekel
fr:Jiminy

en:Duckburg
da:Andeby
fi:Ankkalinna
de:Entenhausen
sv:Ankeborg
nl-nl:Duckstad
it:Paperopoli
no:Andeby

da:Gaaser"od
fi:Hanhivaara
sv:Gaaseborg
nl-nl:Ganzenstad

en:Money Bin
nl-nl:Geldpakhuis
it:Deposito
sv:Pengabingen
de:Geldspeicher

en:Scamp
sv:Ludde
nl-nl:Rakker
de:Strolchi
da:Vaks
no:Fant

en:Aristocats
sv:Aristocats | Aristokatterna
nl-nl:De Aristocats

en:Dumbo
sv:Dumbo
nl-nl:Dombo

en:Hiawatha
sv:Hiawatha
nl-nl:Hiawatha
fr:Hiawatha

en:Double-O Duck
nl-nl:O.O.Duck

en:Bucky Bug
nl-nl:Tokkie Tor

en:Gus & Jaq
nl-nl:Tom & Pieter
sv:Gus & Jack

en:Winnie the Pooh
sv:Nalle Puh
nl-nl:Winnie de Poeh
de:Winnie Puuh
ar:Dodo(?)

en:Cinderella
sv:Askungen
fr:Cendrillion
nl-nl:Assepoester
nl-fl:Assepoester

en:Sylvester Shyster
sv:Fusky | Mutkolv
nl-nl:Sylvester Slibber

en:Shamrock Bones
sv:Sk"arlock Holm
nl-nl:Sul Dufneus

en:Captain Churchmouse
sv:Kapten Kyrkraatta
nl-nl:Kaptein Kerkrat | Kaptein Kerkmuis

it:Filo Fganga
sv:Johannes N"abbelin | Ludde Spinsson | Johannes Hum | Ernst

en:Tinker Bell
sv:Tingeling
nl-nl:Rinkelbel

en:Little Toot
sv:Lilla Traaget
nl-nl:Kleine Toet

en:Cornelius Coot
nl-nl:Cornelius Prul
nl-fl:Cornelius Koet
sv:Cornelius Kn"os

en:Duck Tales
sv:Duck Tales | Knatte, Fnatte och Tjatte paa ventyr
da:Rip, Rap og Rup paa Eventyr

en:Edna Beakley
sv:Matilda
nl-nl:Mevrouw Baktaart

en:Webbigail Vanderquack / Webby
sv:Anki
nl-nl:Lizzy [Same name as for April]

en:Launchpad McQuack
sv:Sigge McKvack
da:Max
nl-nl:Turbo McKwek

en:Ducksworth
nl-nl:Van Stoetewolf
sv:Albert

en:Rescue Rangers
sv:R"addningspatrullen

en:Chip 'n' Dale
sv:Piff och Puff
fr:Tic et Tac
da:Chip og Chap
no:Snipp og Snapp
fi:Tiku ja Taku
nl-nl:Knabbel en Babbel
de:Ah"ornchen und Beh"ornchen
es-es:Chip y Chop
el:Tsip kai Ntaihl(?)
ar:Dhak & Tak(?)

en:Monterey Jack / Monty
sv:Oskar

en:Gadget Hackwrench
sv:P"arlan

en:Zipper
sv:Zipper

en:Fat Cat
sv:Svinp"als

en:Professor Norton Nimnul
sv:Doktor Grym
ar:Alwalm(?)
Dr Cook
Please take me off of the mailing list. Thank you.

Diane Cook
Per Starbäck
Harry:
> There was a question a while ago about the place of Duckburg. There was a
> discussion about this last year on rec.arts.disney. If I remember well, the
> outcome was that it can not be desided where Duckburg is, if you take ALL
> the comic stories.
>
> In most of the stories, though, Duckburg is a town in the west of the USA.
> Barks placed Duckburg in the state of Calisota, USA.

One interesting fact from Barks is that in "Terror of the River"
(1946) Donald and the boys travel 2400 miles to get to Floodout, Ohio.

> 2. Before Donald went do Duckburg, he lived in several places:
> - Hollywood (see the address of the letter from his sister/cousin
> D[umb]ella in a previous thread)
> - Burbanks (where the Disney Studios were; Burbanks is mentioned in the
> Barks story "Maharajah Donald")

Compare also Donald's remark in Lost in the Andes (1949): "Howdy Bud!
I'm from the South myself---South Burbank!"

> 3. According to Rich Bellacera, Mickey lives in Mouseton, USA. But in most
> of the old comics where Donald and Mickey star together, they live in
> the same town. So Mickey must have moved recently.

Or maybe Mickey stayed when Donald moved on to Duckburg?

> 5. In some of the (older) european stories, Donald has to fly to go to the
> Wild West, while his car can take him to, let's say, Italy.

E.g., the Swedish translators have sometimes tried to hide the fact
that the stories take place in the USA. So for instance when Donald's
become a tightrope walker (WDC 49, from 1944):

Donald: Pack our grips, boys! We're headin' for Buffalo, New York!
The boys: Buffalo, New York! What're you gonna do there?
Donald: I'm gonna walk a tight wire across Niagara falls!

"Buffalo, New York" is changed into just "America" in the Swedish
translation.

> P.S. Per, have you been to the Duckburg comics convention, last
> Septober? 8-)

Hm, I guess I missed it again. Next year in Calisota!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Rich.Bellacera
This is the first I've heard of "The Duck Who Fell to Earth" and "The Life
of Scrooge." Can anyone tell more about these? Have they already come out
? If so, where and are they published in the U.S.? Is the purpose of "The
Life of Scrooge" to present a chronological and ancestral look at the Duck
Clan? Will it answer whether Donald & Daisy are related ;-)?

Another side thought which has nothing to do with anything whatsoever:

We already discussed the color scheme of HD&L (Red, Blue & Green) to which
there was indeed some dispute over validity and canonity. Fair enough.
So, have the colors of April, May & June been in any way consistant? It
appeared that thier colors somewhat paralleled HD&L, but at times I have
even seen them on the three remaining colors: Purple, Orange & Yellow,
though I never could tell what order they coresponded. Webby is definitely
Pink. In the case of AM&J I realize that, like HD&L, their colors were only
distinct in their shoes, bows and amulets, since they often wore black
dresses, just as HD&L often wear black shirts with on;y their baseball caps
displaying any color. Daisy herself seems to fluctuate between Pink, Green
and ocassionally Yellow. Poor Donald has only fluctuated between color
schemes of White & Blue, rarely ever taking off his sailor suit to become
a normal citizen...can you imagine if you had a neighbor who hadn't been in
the Navy for years yet still wore his sailor uniform (all the time). Makes
me wonder if that didn't at least play into some of Daisy's indecision between
Don & Gladstone.

oy!
rich
James Williams
>Once upon a time there was a thread here about why there are so
>many uncles and cousins and so few parents in Disney comics. I
>think the answer is a combination of several things, one of the
>most important being that no creator had full control of the stories.
>More distant relatives are easier to create on the fly and then
>discard later.

Either Carl Barks or Don Rosa has a actual geneology chart for
the ducks. Its suppose to include something like five generations.

Some of the characters, like Donald's sister, are suppose to appear
for the first time ever in Rosa's "The Life of Scrooge".

>The cover date for US 12 was "Dec.-Feb 1956" so if the story took
>place in 1955 or 1956 Scrooge is born in 1880 or 1881, but that is
>perhaps a bit early. Jack L. Chalker gets his year of birth to be
>in the range 1860-1865, and Don Rosa's drawing of Scrooge's grave
>shows it as 1867.

All of this assumes that the year a story is published has a
relationship to the year the story occured. Most of Don
Rosa's stories (excluding 'The Duck Who Fell To Earth') are
suppose to take place in the 40s or 50s.
Per Starbäck
James Williams (yet another new poster---welcome!) wrote:
> Either Carl Barks or Don Rosa has a actual geneology chart for
> the ducks. Its suppose to include something like five generations.

I posted the information in Barks's tree earlier before you were on
the list, and I guess Rosa intends to follow it. At least he calls
Donald's mother Hortense when she appears in chapter five of The Life
of Scrooge (I just read it. It's in KA 11/93 here in Sweden.)

> Some of the characters, like Donald's sister, are suppose to appear
> for the first time ever in Rosa's "The Life of Scrooge".

She and Donald aren't even born yet in the latest installment of Life
of Scrooge, so she isn't mentioned yet. I wonder if Don will call her
Thelma (as it is in Barks's notes) instead of Della/Dumbella. Barks
is of course a big (the greatest) authority, but "Thelma" isn't
mentioned in any story, only in his private notes, and there are
already a couple of names in actual use for the poor woman, so maybe
Thelma isn't really canonical after all?

me> The cover date for US 12 was "Dec.-Feb 1956" so if the story took
me> place in 1955 or 1956 Scrooge is born in 1880 or 1881, [...]

> All of this assumes that the year a story is published has a
> relationship to the year the story occured. Most of Don
> Rosa's stories (excluding 'The Duck Who Fell To Earth') are
> suppose to take place in the 40s or 50s.

Yeah, of course that might be a dangerous assumption, but everytime we
get to know when a Barks story occurs it "happens" to occur at about
the time the story originally was published. There are some examples
of that, like when a year is mentioned *and* how many years ago that
was. (Sorry, I don't remember any examples right now. If anyone asks
me to, I'll try to find a few.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starbäck
Rich:
> This is the first I've heard of "The Duck Who Fell to Earth" and "The Life
> of Scrooge." Can anyone tell more about these?

In the Don Rosa index (ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney/don-rosa)
you will find that The Duck Who Fell to Earth was published in Disney
Comics' DDA #37.

"The Life of Scrooge" is a twelve(?)-part story which Rosa still (?)
is working on for Egmont in Copenhagen. The first five chapters are
published in Scandinavia, but the first two were never published in
Sweden so I haven't read them. It's a story of Scrooge's life from
birth (I think), with lots of allusions to Barks stories. The chapter
titles are "The Last of the Clan McDuck", "The Master of the
Mississippi", "The Buckaroo of the Badlands", "The King of the Copper
Hill" and "The New Laird of Castle McDuck". They will certainly be
published by Gladstone, but don't hold your breath while you're
waiting...

If you really want to know more about them I could tell you, but I
wouldn't want to spoil the stories for you non-Scandinavians. (I
remember hinting at Rosa doing gross continuity errors in chapter 3
though.)

- - -

There are still some old messages I've marked for replying to, like
Bill Taylor's and Harry Fluks's idea of a poll. I'm sorry I didn't
list my faves, but it's really hard.

Here's a tentative top five list in the "long story" category (not
ordered!):

* Lost in the Andes
* Luck of the North
* Christmas for Shacktown
* The Golden Helmet
* Seven Cities of Cibola

Only one story in common with Bill, even though a couple of "his"
stories almost made it to my list.

Hm, when looking at that post by Bill Taylor I notice

> Indeed so. He [Flintheart Glomgold] has appeared in two comics.

Well... Besides the two stories where they compete in who has the
most money (US 15 and US 27) Barks also used Flintheart in one later
story, "So Far and No Safari" (US 61), but of course it's not nearly
as good as the two first stories with him. I saw that you compared
Flintheart to the dragon Smaug in rec.arts.tolkien by the way.
Interesting...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"I bid one million pounds and two shillings for the Kaffir de Gaffir mine!"
James Williams
I'm embarrased to admit that I'd didn't recognize a bunch of names
on the International Disney Comic Character Name list. Who are
the following and where did they appear:

April, May, and June
Newton
Fethry Duck
Porpy the Porpoise
Dim-Witty
Clara Cluck
Gilbert
Idgit the Midgit
Dangerous Dan McBoo
Witch Hazel
Izzy Wolf
John D. Rockerduck
Hiawatha
Sylverster Shyster
Shamrock Bones
Captain Churchmouse
Filo Fganga
Little Toot
Per Starbäck
James:
> I'm embarrased to admit that I'd didn't recognize a bunch of names
> on the International Disney Comic Character Name list. Who are
> the following and where did they appear:

Short, unsatisfactory answers follow:

> April, May, and June
Daisy's nieces. First appearance in the Barks story my .sig quote is
from.

> Newton
Gyro Gearlose's nephew. Not by Barks though. I don't know where he
appeared first.

> Fethry Duck
A cousin of Donald's who has appeared in American Disney comics made
for the foreign market. Drawn by Al Hubbard in his first stories in
the mid-sixties. Tony Strobl has also drawn lots of stories with him.
He has almost never been published in the USA though. The only
instance I know is in WDC 509 where he plays a bit part in a pretty
uninteresting story. I hope you'll someday get a chance to see the
best Fethry stories over there. I love them!

> Porpy the Porpoise
> Dim-Witty
Moby Duck's porpoise and helping hand, respectively.

> Clara Cluck
A hen from the cartoon days.

> Gilbert
Goofy's nephew.

> Idgit the Midgit
> Dangerous Dan McBoo
Two criminals who Mickey Mouse and Goofy sometimes meet in adventures
drawn by Paul Murry.

> Witch Hazel
The witch in a Barksian Halloween story (and in the cartoon that was
an adaptation of). Used as a recurring character at least by some
Italian artists.

> Izzy Wolf
A cousin of Li'l Bad Wolf who looks almost like LBW.

> John D. Rockerduck
A one-shot character from Barks, often used in Italian Disney comics.

> Hiawatha
The little indian who made it from the screen to the comics.

> Sylvester Shyster
A villain in some Gottfredson Mickey Mouse stories.

> Shamrock Bones
A detective in some Mickey and Goofy stories.

> Captain Churchmouse
From Gottfredson again.

> Little Toot
The little boat in a segment of the Disney film Melody Time. Pretty
insignificant, but there's been a handful of comics with him here in
Scandinavia anyway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
"
Per Starback:

> Here's a tentative top five list in the "long story" category (not
> ordered!):
>
> * Lost in the Andes
> * Luck of the North
> * Christmas for Shacktown
> * The Golden Helmet
> * Seven Cities of Cibola
>
> Only one story in common with Bill, even though a couple of "his"
> stories almost made it to my list.

I got only two other reactions, one with an incomplete list like yours,
and one saying that it is too hard to tell Barks' best. Kind of like
asking a father which son is his favourite.

So, the poll is off. Anyone who wants to discuss favourite stories,
just mail it to the list.

BTW: my own favourite story is "Christmas for Shacktown". Favourite
10-page story: The Cornelius Coot statue contest (WDC 126 or so).
Worst Barks story: "Island in the sky" (Uncle Scrooge #...).

Best non-Barks story: "His Majesty, McDuck" by Rosa.

--x--
"
Per Starback once corrected me when I stated there was only one story
where Scrooge's first dime appeared, _before_ Magica De Spell entered the
comics. He mentioned two Uncle Scrooge comics, but he forgot the _first_
story where the dime appeared: Uncle Scrooge One Shot 495, the 2nd story:
"wandering money bin". He used it there to cut his ropes (the dime was
very sharp after all those years)...

(So there, Per: 1-1. 8-)

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Per Starbäck
Newsflash!

Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
(so watch your tongues :-)

BTW, is anyone interested in receiving this list collected in digests
instead of getting every message as it is sent out, and in that case,
about how often would you like the digests to arrive?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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