I told Don to stay tuned as I would tell the list about him joining it
immediately after adding him, but then I accidentally did things in
the wrong order, so I hadn't added Don yet when sending out that last
message.
So here's a new try: Welcome!
(And thanks to James Williams who told me about Don Rosa having a
Compuserve account!)
One thing that came up recently was the Life of Scrooge series. I
wrote
> "The Life of Scrooge" is a twelve(?)-part story which Rosa still (?)
> is working on for Egmont in Copenhagen. The first five chapters are
> published in Scandinavia, but the first two were never published in
> Sweden so I haven't read them. It's a story of Scrooge's life from
> birth (I think), with lots of allusions to Barks stories. The chapter
> titles are "The Last of the Clan McDuck", "The Master of the
> Mississippi", "The Buckaroo of the Badlands", "The King of the Copper
> Hill" and "The New Laird of Castle McDuck". They will certainly be
> published by Gladstone, but don't hold your breath while you're
> waiting...
Is all of that correct? Are you finished with the whole story yet?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Author
Topic: 199304
(103 messages)
Per Starbäck
Welcome again, Don! :-)
Message 31 -
1993-04-15 at 17:43:46
Torsten Wesley Adair
Welcome Don!
Message 32 -
1993-04-16 at 04:04:23
On Thu, 15 Apr 1993, Per Starb{ck wrote:
> Newsflash!
> Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
> (so watch your tongues :-)
Does he know about the other comic book sources out there?
Has he proofed your index?
Not to impress Mr. Rosa, but I use the Scrooge and Donald trade paperback
to introduce people to the ducks. I use it partly because it's more
durable than the comics, because I can get a replacement copy easily
if it is lost, and because it has a good variety of stories that are
representative of what is available in the comic books.
> BTW, is anyone interested in receiving this list collected in digests
> instead of getting every message as it is sent out, and in that case,
> about how often would you like the digests to arrive?
I vote no. I get digest lists from other mailing lists, and it makes it
harder to respond to specific entries. They also take up a lot of space.
Wouldn't this mean that the list would be moderated? Who watches the
watchmen?
I would like to suggest that digests be used for information postings,
such as the index lists, and for collecting various posts on one
discussion topic, say a week after the last post. These could be
archived/indexed for easy retrieval.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
> Newsflash!
> Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
> (so watch your tongues :-)
Does he know about the other comic book sources out there?
Has he proofed your index?
Not to impress Mr. Rosa, but I use the Scrooge and Donald trade paperback
to introduce people to the ducks. I use it partly because it's more
durable than the comics, because I can get a replacement copy easily
if it is lost, and because it has a good variety of stories that are
representative of what is available in the comic books.
> BTW, is anyone interested in receiving this list collected in digests
> instead of getting every message as it is sent out, and in that case,
> about how often would you like the digests to arrive?
I vote no. I get digest lists from other mailing lists, and it makes it
harder to respond to specific entries. They also take up a lot of space.
Wouldn't this mean that the list would be moderated? Who watches the
watchmen?
I would like to suggest that digests be used for information postings,
such as the index lists, and for collecting various posts on one
discussion topic, say a week after the last post. These could be
archived/indexed for easy retrieval.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Rich.Bellacera
Don Rosa! Cool!!
Message 33 -
1993-04-16 at 10:12:00
Maybe now we can get some 'official'(?) answers to the silly questions
surrounding colorschemes and heritage.
Outstanding verification needed:
How are Donald & HD&L really related (through his 'aunt' Della, or through his
'sister' Dumbella or Thelma)?
Is there a recognized color scheme for HD&L (e.g. Huey = Red; Dewey = Blue;
Louie = Green)?
Is there a full family tree which even links Gyro Gearloose and his nephew,
Newton, along with Gus Goose, Clara Cluck and others?
I'm sure there's a mess of questions we could ask, but seeing how Don actually
has some creative license and tacit approval (implied?) from Disney, perhaps
he knows the scoop. I certainly realize it is easier to ask of Mr. Rosa than
to seek info from the Disney Archives....they did't seem to be very able.
Two final questions that I asked of the group long ago, to which these kindly
folks (especially Per) have been more than helpful:
What is/are the name(s) of Minnie's niece(s). We have a couple Scandanavian(?)
names (Tutton & Tone) but these could be just variants of the same character,
and a possible reference to someone named "Molly." I have even read a
reference in a book about Mickey's life which related that the nieces and
nephews in audience when Mickey was telling the tale of "Gulliver Mickey" were
named "Maisie, Monty, Marmaduke, and Morrie." Are thier names possibly Molly
and Maisie?
Whatever happened to the two dognose kids, Millie and Alvin, who were friends
of Mortie and often stayed with Minnie or Mickey? They appeared in the news-
paper comics back in the late 60's and early 70's.
Don't say I never abused you! ;-)
Thanx
-RIch
surrounding colorschemes and heritage.
Outstanding verification needed:
How are Donald & HD&L really related (through his 'aunt' Della, or through his
'sister' Dumbella or Thelma)?
Is there a recognized color scheme for HD&L (e.g. Huey = Red; Dewey = Blue;
Louie = Green)?
Is there a full family tree which even links Gyro Gearloose and his nephew,
Newton, along with Gus Goose, Clara Cluck and others?
I'm sure there's a mess of questions we could ask, but seeing how Don actually
has some creative license and tacit approval (implied?) from Disney, perhaps
he knows the scoop. I certainly realize it is easier to ask of Mr. Rosa than
to seek info from the Disney Archives....they did't seem to be very able.
Two final questions that I asked of the group long ago, to which these kindly
folks (especially Per) have been more than helpful:
What is/are the name(s) of Minnie's niece(s). We have a couple Scandanavian(?)
names (Tutton & Tone) but these could be just variants of the same character,
and a possible reference to someone named "Molly." I have even read a
reference in a book about Mickey's life which related that the nieces and
nephews in audience when Mickey was telling the tale of "Gulliver Mickey" were
named "Maisie, Monty, Marmaduke, and Morrie." Are thier names possibly Molly
and Maisie?
Whatever happened to the two dognose kids, Millie and Alvin, who were friends
of Mortie and often stayed with Minnie or Mickey? They appeared in the news-
paper comics back in the late 60's and early 70's.
Don't say I never abused you! ;-)
Thanx
-RIch
Harry Fluks
Welcome Don!
Message 34 -
1993-04-16 at 17:39:50
> Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
> (so watch your tongues :-)
...(speachless)
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
(and I like to read rows'a comics, too)
> (so watch your tongues :-)
...(speachless)
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
(and I like to read rows'a comics, too)
Luigi Bevilacqua
Welcome!
Message 35 -
1993-04-16 at 17:42:04
===========================================================================
WOW!!!!
Don Rosa is here! Welcome!!
I hope he will enjoy himself to join this DUCK-MAD-PEOPLE group!
And now? What about Carl Barks subscription?
BYE!!!
.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
| TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi <bevilal at ghost.dsi.unimi.it> |
------------------------------------------------------------------------
WOW!!!!
Don Rosa is here! Welcome!!
I hope he will enjoy himself to join this DUCK-MAD-PEOPLE group!
And now? What about Carl Barks subscription?
BYE!!!
.
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| TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi <bevilal at ghost.dsi.unimi.it> |
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Per Starbäck
Don Rosa on the Life of Scrooge series
Message 36 -
1993-04-16 at 18:59:55
This Don sent to me, but I guess it was intended for the list.
(If you just reply the usual way to list mail I goes to the sender of
that piece of mail.)
----------------cut-here------------------
I am currently finishing up part 10, one of the better chapters where $crooge first comes to Duckburg. Most of the chapters of this
series I'm not too sure about... especially my three part #8 with $crooge's days in the Yukon. The whole series is LOTS of fun for me,
but I'm not sure if it isn't a colossal mistake; but I was "forced" into it when I was told that Disney Comics was going to undertake
such a series, and since none of the people at that company had ever even read a $crooge comic, I knew somebody had to beat them to
it -- not necessarilly ME, but just SOMEBODY. I tried to get as much input from as many people as possible before I began the series...
and I just hope my fellow Barks fans either like it or forgive me for it.
You have all the titles for the first parts correct... but you must have gotten them from Stefan, eh? The various publishers are not
using my titles, all of which have the same form and refer to $crooge, as in "The ---- of the ------". I do plan to change the title
of part 4 to "The Flash in the Copper Pan", so that I can then change the title of part 8 to "The King of the Klondike" (its current
title is "The Argonaut of White Agony Creek").
And you're right -- the Swedish publisher decided they couldn't use part 2 since it was 28 pages and they don't do specials. But
that doesn't explain why they didn't use part 1 which was 15 pages! True, other countries did parts 1 & 2 together in one special,
but that was not a law. I intended them to appear in separate issues. I handed out copies of the Norwegian edition of parts 1 & 2
there in Stockholm to NAFS(k)... didn't they show them around?
------------no-need-to-cut-here-----------
(If you just reply the usual way to list mail I goes to the sender of
that piece of mail.)
----------------cut-here------------------
I am currently finishing up part 10, one of the better chapters where $crooge first comes to Duckburg. Most of the chapters of this
series I'm not too sure about... especially my three part #8 with $crooge's days in the Yukon. The whole series is LOTS of fun for me,
but I'm not sure if it isn't a colossal mistake; but I was "forced" into it when I was told that Disney Comics was going to undertake
such a series, and since none of the people at that company had ever even read a $crooge comic, I knew somebody had to beat them to
it -- not necessarilly ME, but just SOMEBODY. I tried to get as much input from as many people as possible before I began the series...
and I just hope my fellow Barks fans either like it or forgive me for it.
You have all the titles for the first parts correct... but you must have gotten them from Stefan, eh? The various publishers are not
using my titles, all of which have the same form and refer to $crooge, as in "The ---- of the ------". I do plan to change the title
of part 4 to "The Flash in the Copper Pan", so that I can then change the title of part 8 to "The King of the Klondike" (its current
title is "The Argonaut of White Agony Creek").
And you're right -- the Swedish publisher decided they couldn't use part 2 since it was 28 pages and they don't do specials. But
that doesn't explain why they didn't use part 1 which was 15 pages! True, other countries did parts 1 & 2 together in one special,
but that was not a law. I intended them to appear in separate issues. I handed out copies of the Norwegian edition of parts 1 & 2
there in Stockholm to NAFS(k)... didn't they show them around?
------------no-need-to-cut-here-----------
Mark Semich
Don Rosa on the Life of Scrooge series
Message 37 -
1993-04-16 at 19:43:05
Thank you very much for the "Life of $crooge" info - and while I'm
writing, I feel that I also must thank Don Rosa for the work he's
done. saying "It's very special to me" can't begin to describe how
amazing it is.
Does anyone know what Gladstone's plans are for the Life of $crooge
series? I'm really looking forward to it - is it going to see print
in the U.S. at all?
writing, I feel that I also must thank Don Rosa for the work he's
done. saying "It's very special to me" can't begin to describe how
amazing it is.
Does anyone know what Gladstone's plans are for the Life of $crooge
series? I'm really looking forward to it - is it going to see print
in the U.S. at all?
Per Starbäck
Digest -- Favourite stories -- Life of Scrooge
Message 38 -
1993-04-16 at 19:44:24
Digest
~~~~~~
I asked if anyone would be interested in getting the list as a digest.
Mark McConnell:
> My vote would be for a digest, but it is fun to read the individual
> letters. I think I'll be happy either way.
Torsten:
> I vote no. I get digest lists from other mailing lists, and it makes it
> harder to respond to specific entries. They also take up a lot of space.
> Wouldn't this mean that the list would be moderated? Who watches the
> watchmen?
I didn't mean a digest instead of the list as it is now, but just as
another option for those who'd like a smaller number of messages in
their mail boxes. That is, some people would continue to get every
message as it is sent out, and some other people would get those
messages collected together once a day or something like that.
If *I* did that (of course anyone receiving the list could collect the
messages in bundles and send them out to a list of people) I wouldn't
moderate it at all, except perhaps deleting (un)subscription requests
erroneously sent to the list.
Favourite stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry:
> BTW: my own favourite story is "Christmas for Shacktown". Favourite
> 10-page story: The Cornelius Coot statue contest (WDC 126 or so).
Hmm... That statue contest story won the 10-page category in Ken
Bausert's favourite stories poll too, and it surprised me then too.
It's a good story alright, but it wouldn't even be on my top-ten list
for ten-pagers (I don't know how that top-ten list looks though).
I my opinion Scrooge is better suited for long stories and the
ten-pagers are at their best when they are about something
down-to-earth like domestic quarrels between Donald and the boys.
Life of Scrooge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don:
> The whole series is LOTS of fun for me, but I'm not sure if it isn't
> a colossal mistake; but I was "forced" into it when I was told that
> Disney Comics was going to undertake such a series, and (...)
Hmm... In fact I don't like the parts I've read (3--5) as much as
your other stories, and I've been reluctant about the whole idea of a
Life of Scrooge series. But that doesn't mean that there have been
some good moments in those stories and if it was to be done anyway,
I really appreciate that you are doing it, since I can't think of
anyone better suited for doing it and I get bad feelings thinking
about what could have become out of it in other hands.
> You have all the titles for the first parts correct... but you
> must have gotten them from Stefan, eh?
Yep. (Stefan is Stefan Di"os, the translator of the Swedish ducks, for
those who don't know.)
> I handed out copies of the Norwegian edition of parts 1 & 2 there in
> Stockholm to NAFS(k)... didn't they show them around?
I must have been absent. (I was for a long time. I even missed your
speech there, *sigh*.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
~~~~~~
I asked if anyone would be interested in getting the list as a digest.
Mark McConnell:
> My vote would be for a digest, but it is fun to read the individual
> letters. I think I'll be happy either way.
Torsten:
> I vote no. I get digest lists from other mailing lists, and it makes it
> harder to respond to specific entries. They also take up a lot of space.
> Wouldn't this mean that the list would be moderated? Who watches the
> watchmen?
I didn't mean a digest instead of the list as it is now, but just as
another option for those who'd like a smaller number of messages in
their mail boxes. That is, some people would continue to get every
message as it is sent out, and some other people would get those
messages collected together once a day or something like that.
If *I* did that (of course anyone receiving the list could collect the
messages in bundles and send them out to a list of people) I wouldn't
moderate it at all, except perhaps deleting (un)subscription requests
erroneously sent to the list.
Favourite stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry:
> BTW: my own favourite story is "Christmas for Shacktown". Favourite
> 10-page story: The Cornelius Coot statue contest (WDC 126 or so).
Hmm... That statue contest story won the 10-page category in Ken
Bausert's favourite stories poll too, and it surprised me then too.
It's a good story alright, but it wouldn't even be on my top-ten list
for ten-pagers (I don't know how that top-ten list looks though).
I my opinion Scrooge is better suited for long stories and the
ten-pagers are at their best when they are about something
down-to-earth like domestic quarrels between Donald and the boys.
Life of Scrooge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don:
> The whole series is LOTS of fun for me, but I'm not sure if it isn't
> a colossal mistake; but I was "forced" into it when I was told that
> Disney Comics was going to undertake such a series, and (...)
Hmm... In fact I don't like the parts I've read (3--5) as much as
your other stories, and I've been reluctant about the whole idea of a
Life of Scrooge series. But that doesn't mean that there have been
some good moments in those stories and if it was to be done anyway,
I really appreciate that you are doing it, since I can't think of
anyone better suited for doing it and I get bad feelings thinking
about what could have become out of it in other hands.
> You have all the titles for the first parts correct... but you
> must have gotten them from Stefan, eh?
Yep. (Stefan is Stefan Di"os, the translator of the Swedish ducks, for
those who don't know.)
> I handed out copies of the Norwegian edition of parts 1 & 2 there in
> Stockholm to NAFS(k)... didn't they show them around?
I must have been absent. (I was for a long time. I even missed your
speech there, *sigh*.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Torsten Wesley Adair
Uncle Scrooge story
Message 39 -
1993-04-17 at 04:24:42
Here's one of my favorite Scrooge stories. I don't remember the
title, but the plot was this: US owns a statue similar to the Venus de
Milo. Two archeologists tell US that they have found the arms. US buys
them, and attaches them to the statue. Then the archeologists find other
additions to the statue...
I won't spoil the ending for the two people on this list who haven't read
it yet, but if someone would tell me the title, and the issue number, I
would be most grateful. I'd like to show it to some of the Art History
professors here on campus.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
title, but the plot was this: US owns a statue similar to the Venus de
Milo. Two archeologists tell US that they have found the arms. US buys
them, and attaches them to the statue. Then the archeologists find other
additions to the statue...
I won't spoil the ending for the two people on this list who haven't read
it yet, but if someone would tell me the title, and the issue number, I
would be most grateful. I'd like to show it to some of the Art History
professors here on campus.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Jamal Hannah
Other Special People
Message 40 -
1993-04-17 at 07:19:35
Perhaps Freddie Milton has an email address? Does anyone know?
It woudl be nice to have him, or some other comic artists on this
list!
- Jamal Hannah
It woudl be nice to have him, or some other comic artists on this
list!
- Jamal Hannah
Rich.Bellacera
Other Special People
Message 41 -
1993-04-17 at 07:22:00
Speaking of 'special people' who frequent the net and such, in the groups
where I have wandered I know of Tad Stones who is writer and editor for
the Disney Afternoon who is an active participant on the Ranger-List
(mailing list for the Disney Afternoon); various employees in various
capacities for the Disney Company who frequent the newsgroup 'rec.arts.
disney'; and Peter David, writer for various D.C. and Marvel comics,
as well as his own books. Peter David lurks in the rec.arts.comic heirarchy
of related newsgroups (especially rec.arts.comics.xbooks which is dedicated
to "X-men" related titles).
I think it's totally awesome to have Mr. Rosa here with us. Tad Stones usually
keeps the Ranger-philes up-to-date on things happening at the Disney T.V.
Animation Studios with relation to up-coming Disney Afternoon and Saturday
Morning programming, as does Peter A. David (PAD as he's called), will you be
able to keep us Disney comics fans current with Disney comics-related plans?
(e.g., what future plans/marketing strategies will Gladstone/Disney be doing
in the future? Will anymore Barksian, Rosan or other such charaters make a
television debut (a la "Ducktales") in the future? What was the "real scoop"
behind the move from Gladstone to Disney back to Gladstone? In fact these
should all be included in a FAQ for this group).
One tentative schedule has to do with the 1995 addition to the Disney
Afternoon line-up called "Duck Daze" which is a take-off of Donald raising
Huey, Dewey & Louie as teenagers, co-featuring Uncle $crooge, Prof. Ludwig von
Drake, and (supposedly) occasional guest appearances by cast members from Goof
Troop and Darkwing Duck. In what final format this will accuate I don't know
yet. Presumably it is still in it's pre-production phase (early planning).
Thanks
-Rich
where I have wandered I know of Tad Stones who is writer and editor for
the Disney Afternoon who is an active participant on the Ranger-List
(mailing list for the Disney Afternoon); various employees in various
capacities for the Disney Company who frequent the newsgroup 'rec.arts.
disney'; and Peter David, writer for various D.C. and Marvel comics,
as well as his own books. Peter David lurks in the rec.arts.comic heirarchy
of related newsgroups (especially rec.arts.comics.xbooks which is dedicated
to "X-men" related titles).
I think it's totally awesome to have Mr. Rosa here with us. Tad Stones usually
keeps the Ranger-philes up-to-date on things happening at the Disney T.V.
Animation Studios with relation to up-coming Disney Afternoon and Saturday
Morning programming, as does Peter A. David (PAD as he's called), will you be
able to keep us Disney comics fans current with Disney comics-related plans?
(e.g., what future plans/marketing strategies will Gladstone/Disney be doing
in the future? Will anymore Barksian, Rosan or other such charaters make a
television debut (a la "Ducktales") in the future? What was the "real scoop"
behind the move from Gladstone to Disney back to Gladstone? In fact these
should all be included in a FAQ for this group).
One tentative schedule has to do with the 1995 addition to the Disney
Afternoon line-up called "Duck Daze" which is a take-off of Donald raising
Huey, Dewey & Louie as teenagers, co-featuring Uncle $crooge, Prof. Ludwig von
Drake, and (supposedly) occasional guest appearances by cast members from Goof
Troop and Darkwing Duck. In what final format this will accuate I don't know
yet. Presumably it is still in it's pre-production phase (early planning).
Thanks
-Rich
Rich.Bellacera
The Other Guy
Message 42 -
1993-04-17 at 08:41:00
70304.2462 (whoever this is) says:
> Mickey Mouse's popularity is fading fast. Ninety percent of this lists
> discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
> And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
> questions:
>
> Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey?
>
> What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
I am, and always will be (I presume) a great mouse fan, but in my humble
opinion, the reason for Mickey demise on the public scene (at least the
perception of such) has to do with his lack of any "regular" outlet. What
I mean is that the Ducks are popular because they're available. The Mouses
are not. Sure, Mickey is synonymous (or should that be synonymouse?) with
everything and anything "Disney", but we fans don't get to see him and his
lady in any capacity other than as M.C. for various Disney T.V. special (far
to seldom), or in occasional reprints of comics or in repeat telecasts of
old 30's thru 50's cartoons. I've heard it expressed before on the Net, and
on the Ranger-List, and I concur that what Mickey needs is a regular "NEW"
cartoon show. He did appear in the 1991 cartoon featurette "The Prince & The
Pauper" but the last time before that was back in 1984(?) in "Mickey's
Christmas Carol." And before that I guess it was "Mickey & The Beanstalk"
in 1960's(?). We don't get treated to much concerning him. There was the
short-lived "Mickey Mouse Adventures" in Disney Comics which featured all new
tales of Mickey, Minnie, and Pete. It even returned all new tales of some
old villians like Emil Eagle and the Phantom Blot (and even gave him a
daughter, the Phantom Brat), but I think Mickey's popularity suffered due to
a lack of exposure in the same way that the Ducks' popularity prospered due
to the presentation of T.V.'s "Ducktales." Ducktales was instrumental for
driving some people into the realm of comics under Gladstone and then under
Disney, and for others, like me, it brought some "back" to Disney comics after
a long hiatus into the Marvel realm. I don't have any statistics to prove
this, but it is a general 'feel' that I've gotten with respect to
conversations, and various articles I've read.
I vote for a NEW Mickey Mouse comic (not just Mickey & Donald that Gladstone
will be publishing which will be reprints) which will feature all new tales of
Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Morty & Ferdie, Molly(?) and other long lost characters
of Mickey's gallery (Emil, Prof. Einmug, Capt. Churchmouse, Uncle Mortimer,
Eega Beeva, Dangerous Dan & Idgit, Col. Doberman, Sylvester Shyster, Chief
Ohara, Tanglefoot, and even Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar). I'd
like to see all new Pluto comics featuring Fifi the Peke (Minnie's pooch),
Butch the Bulldog, Ronnie, Dinah, and even guest appearances by other famous
Disney Dogs like Lady & Tramp and li'l Scamp, Pongo, Perita and some of the
puppies, Dodger, Tito and others from Oliver & Company, etc. And, since
statistics supposedly show that a larger female audience reads Disney than
other Comic groups then maybe Disney/Gladstone should cater to that audience
some, perhaps increase its readership even more, by adding Minnie'n Me
stories. But most of all: DISNEY SHOULD MAKE A REGULAR TV CARTOON FEATURING
MICKEY & MINNIE!
What do y'all think?
-Rich
> Mickey Mouse's popularity is fading fast. Ninety percent of this lists
> discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
> And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
> questions:
>
> Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey?
>
> What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
I am, and always will be (I presume) a great mouse fan, but in my humble
opinion, the reason for Mickey demise on the public scene (at least the
perception of such) has to do with his lack of any "regular" outlet. What
I mean is that the Ducks are popular because they're available. The Mouses
are not. Sure, Mickey is synonymous (or should that be synonymouse?) with
everything and anything "Disney", but we fans don't get to see him and his
lady in any capacity other than as M.C. for various Disney T.V. special (far
to seldom), or in occasional reprints of comics or in repeat telecasts of
old 30's thru 50's cartoons. I've heard it expressed before on the Net, and
on the Ranger-List, and I concur that what Mickey needs is a regular "NEW"
cartoon show. He did appear in the 1991 cartoon featurette "The Prince & The
Pauper" but the last time before that was back in 1984(?) in "Mickey's
Christmas Carol." And before that I guess it was "Mickey & The Beanstalk"
in 1960's(?). We don't get treated to much concerning him. There was the
short-lived "Mickey Mouse Adventures" in Disney Comics which featured all new
tales of Mickey, Minnie, and Pete. It even returned all new tales of some
old villians like Emil Eagle and the Phantom Blot (and even gave him a
daughter, the Phantom Brat), but I think Mickey's popularity suffered due to
a lack of exposure in the same way that the Ducks' popularity prospered due
to the presentation of T.V.'s "Ducktales." Ducktales was instrumental for
driving some people into the realm of comics under Gladstone and then under
Disney, and for others, like me, it brought some "back" to Disney comics after
a long hiatus into the Marvel realm. I don't have any statistics to prove
this, but it is a general 'feel' that I've gotten with respect to
conversations, and various articles I've read.
I vote for a NEW Mickey Mouse comic (not just Mickey & Donald that Gladstone
will be publishing which will be reprints) which will feature all new tales of
Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Morty & Ferdie, Molly(?) and other long lost characters
of Mickey's gallery (Emil, Prof. Einmug, Capt. Churchmouse, Uncle Mortimer,
Eega Beeva, Dangerous Dan & Idgit, Col. Doberman, Sylvester Shyster, Chief
Ohara, Tanglefoot, and even Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar). I'd
like to see all new Pluto comics featuring Fifi the Peke (Minnie's pooch),
Butch the Bulldog, Ronnie, Dinah, and even guest appearances by other famous
Disney Dogs like Lady & Tramp and li'l Scamp, Pongo, Perita and some of the
puppies, Dodger, Tito and others from Oliver & Company, etc. And, since
statistics supposedly show that a larger female audience reads Disney than
other Comic groups then maybe Disney/Gladstone should cater to that audience
some, perhaps increase its readership even more, by adding Minnie'n Me
stories. But most of all: DISNEY SHOULD MAKE A REGULAR TV CARTOON FEATURING
MICKEY & MINNIE!
What do y'all think?
-Rich
Rich.Bellacera
Hometowns
Message 43 -
1993-04-17 at 11:03:00
> From: 70304.2462 at juts
> >town in honor of Mickey.
>
> I don't know the origin of Mouseton, but this isn't it. Sure, Marv
> Wolfman wrote a four part story entitled "The Weapons Master" (?)
> involving Prince Penguin, Bad Pete, and Emil Eagle. But, the city
> is called Mouseton in the very first chapter. The city isn't
> renamed after Mickey. Besides, Mickey is too humble to accept
> such an honor.
>
> The name is not limited to Marv's stories. Egmont also calls Mickey's
> hometown Mouseton.
Well someone else will have to answer that question, but I could swear I read
somewhere that the town was named after Mickey in honor of his bravery. Oh
well.
> >Due to their conspiquos absence, I don't believe that Donald and
> >Daisy lived in the same comicbook town as Mickey and Minnie.
>
> Though I don't think its been stated explicitedly, it been implied
> implicetly that Donald and Daisey moved away. Relize that there are
> two separate universes - one for Ducks and one for Mice. I suspect
> that The Life of Scrooge will show Donald being born and raised in
> Duckburg. This isn't a contradiction because they are two separate
> universes.
Yeah, I know for very practical reasons the Duck & Mouse Universes are not
the same, but there are indeed ocassional stories where Mickey & Donald or
even Minnie and Daisy get together. Historically speaking, the two are both
from the same "cartoon" universe, which must mean something to the comic
books. At least in my mind Mickey & Donald belong to the same comic/cartoon
reality, though I definitely don't think of them co-existing in the same
reality as Bambi or Ariel or Hiawatha, despite the fact that they all may
appear in a special comic together. I see *these* stories as being the true
distortions of the seperate Disney universes. I like to think of Mickey and
Don as just living in different towns these days. I mean, despite the fact
that they rarely appear together anymore, both universes are still populated
by dognoses, pignoses, chickenfolk, catpeople, cowfolk and horsefolk.
> >However, since Goofy often did come around and assist Mickey, I take it
> >Goofy does, or at least did, live in Mouseton too. According to Goof
> >Troop's premiere episode we witnessed Goofy and his son, Max's, move
> >form 'somewhere'(not told) to the hometown of Pete & Peg (Trudy?)
> >named Spoonerville.
>
> Don't mix comic books and animation. They've got nothing to do with
> each other. The Goofy of the Mouse Universe lives in Mouseton. The
> Goofy of the Goof Troop Universe lives in Spoonerville. If you want
> to know the origin of Spoonerville, watch the closing credits closely.
Yeah, I'm aware of the history behind Spoonerville's name, but what I was
commenting on was a "possible" explanation of where Goofy came from when he
moved to Spoonerville. In fact, the actual dating of "Goof Troop" is much
later than the Mickey comics so I don't see any major discrepancies there.
As for mixing the comics and cartoons I don't see the great harm, atleast not
until there becomes a debate over some details. For example, I think
DUCKTALES and Uncle $crooge could very well be somewhere within the same
timeline. There are, of course some minor details like Duckworth is a dognose
in the cartoon, but in the comic his name is Dudsworth and he's a 'duck.'
Other things like the existence of Webby and Mrs. Beakley, and even Ma Beagle,
names for the Beagle Boys and Bubba Duck do not generally exist in Uncle
$crooge, but, I still don't see that as a contradiction, just a difference of
timing, and a little writer's perogative taken. Things could be explained if
there ever was an attempt to make a cohesive universe. Marvel and D.C. did
it, but I'm not really advocating that Disney/Gladstone follow that same
route. If they did they would have to basically take what they wanted from
past issues of Disney comics and create something *new* since nearly every
story was independent from any of the others in existence. The cartoons were
the same way. How many times did Mickey go out on a first date with Minnie?
(for example). However, closing the gaps and explaining the inconsistencies
may be Disney's undoing since it will actually create walls and limitations
for the characters. As they stand now, they can age in one story and be young
in the next. They can be in the old west one, and be in the Carribean during
WWI in the next. They can do anthing the writers and artists and such deem
necessary for the plot. However, through all this mutable variance, the
characters remain static: unchanged. Grandma never gets too old, HD&L never
grow up (permanently), etc. As you can see I'm not a purest with respect to
seperating the characters. I like for Mickey, Donald and Goofy to be able to
have adventures seperately or together without specific restrictions.
Obviously I like this freedom of creative writing since I also like Minnie'n
Me and the Disney Babies which happen to be the very same characters but in
an alternate reality and age. I see no harm in a tacit cohesion between the
Duck & Mouse universes, and even the Goof Troop and Darkwing Duck Universes.
They're not that far removed. I can see where there might be difficulties in
incorporating the Talespin, Rescue Rangers, Bonkers, Gummi Bears, and
Marsupilami realities, but even that could be done (obviously I'm ruffling a
few purest's tailfeathers). Everyone stay calm I'm just hypothesizing.
I kinda think of all of Disney's toons living in this universe called The
Disney Tooniverse. Within it there are several towns and pocket dimensions.
Duckburg, Mousetown, Bugsville, Spoonerville, St. Canard and others are
certain towns on the Disney "Earth." These roughly correspond to real towns
like New York or San Fransico, etc. Within the Tooniverse is also the
seperate dimensions where Dumbo and Timothy live, another for Ariel and
Ursula, another for Snow White and Dopey, another for Little Hiawatha, another
for Jungle Book, etc. Ocassionally, somehow some of the characters escape
into other dimensions and start a new reality (e.g. Baloo, Louie, Sher Khan
from the jungles of India to Cape Suzette, or Chip'n Dale). Sometimes, some
of characters esscape into the more common planes, hence Jiminy Cricket or
Tinkerbelle, or even Mad Madame Mim run into Donald, Mickey and others.
Just some ideas. Please no one get offended. I'm just hypothesizing.
-Rich
> >town in honor of Mickey.
>
> I don't know the origin of Mouseton, but this isn't it. Sure, Marv
> Wolfman wrote a four part story entitled "The Weapons Master" (?)
> involving Prince Penguin, Bad Pete, and Emil Eagle. But, the city
> is called Mouseton in the very first chapter. The city isn't
> renamed after Mickey. Besides, Mickey is too humble to accept
> such an honor.
>
> The name is not limited to Marv's stories. Egmont also calls Mickey's
> hometown Mouseton.
Well someone else will have to answer that question, but I could swear I read
somewhere that the town was named after Mickey in honor of his bravery. Oh
well.
> >Due to their conspiquos absence, I don't believe that Donald and
> >Daisy lived in the same comicbook town as Mickey and Minnie.
>
> Though I don't think its been stated explicitedly, it been implied
> implicetly that Donald and Daisey moved away. Relize that there are
> two separate universes - one for Ducks and one for Mice. I suspect
> that The Life of Scrooge will show Donald being born and raised in
> Duckburg. This isn't a contradiction because they are two separate
> universes.
Yeah, I know for very practical reasons the Duck & Mouse Universes are not
the same, but there are indeed ocassional stories where Mickey & Donald or
even Minnie and Daisy get together. Historically speaking, the two are both
from the same "cartoon" universe, which must mean something to the comic
books. At least in my mind Mickey & Donald belong to the same comic/cartoon
reality, though I definitely don't think of them co-existing in the same
reality as Bambi or Ariel or Hiawatha, despite the fact that they all may
appear in a special comic together. I see *these* stories as being the true
distortions of the seperate Disney universes. I like to think of Mickey and
Don as just living in different towns these days. I mean, despite the fact
that they rarely appear together anymore, both universes are still populated
by dognoses, pignoses, chickenfolk, catpeople, cowfolk and horsefolk.
> >However, since Goofy often did come around and assist Mickey, I take it
> >Goofy does, or at least did, live in Mouseton too. According to Goof
> >Troop's premiere episode we witnessed Goofy and his son, Max's, move
> >form 'somewhere'(not told) to the hometown of Pete & Peg (Trudy?)
> >named Spoonerville.
>
> Don't mix comic books and animation. They've got nothing to do with
> each other. The Goofy of the Mouse Universe lives in Mouseton. The
> Goofy of the Goof Troop Universe lives in Spoonerville. If you want
> to know the origin of Spoonerville, watch the closing credits closely.
Yeah, I'm aware of the history behind Spoonerville's name, but what I was
commenting on was a "possible" explanation of where Goofy came from when he
moved to Spoonerville. In fact, the actual dating of "Goof Troop" is much
later than the Mickey comics so I don't see any major discrepancies there.
As for mixing the comics and cartoons I don't see the great harm, atleast not
until there becomes a debate over some details. For example, I think
DUCKTALES and Uncle $crooge could very well be somewhere within the same
timeline. There are, of course some minor details like Duckworth is a dognose
in the cartoon, but in the comic his name is Dudsworth and he's a 'duck.'
Other things like the existence of Webby and Mrs. Beakley, and even Ma Beagle,
names for the Beagle Boys and Bubba Duck do not generally exist in Uncle
$crooge, but, I still don't see that as a contradiction, just a difference of
timing, and a little writer's perogative taken. Things could be explained if
there ever was an attempt to make a cohesive universe. Marvel and D.C. did
it, but I'm not really advocating that Disney/Gladstone follow that same
route. If they did they would have to basically take what they wanted from
past issues of Disney comics and create something *new* since nearly every
story was independent from any of the others in existence. The cartoons were
the same way. How many times did Mickey go out on a first date with Minnie?
(for example). However, closing the gaps and explaining the inconsistencies
may be Disney's undoing since it will actually create walls and limitations
for the characters. As they stand now, they can age in one story and be young
in the next. They can be in the old west one, and be in the Carribean during
WWI in the next. They can do anthing the writers and artists and such deem
necessary for the plot. However, through all this mutable variance, the
characters remain static: unchanged. Grandma never gets too old, HD&L never
grow up (permanently), etc. As you can see I'm not a purest with respect to
seperating the characters. I like for Mickey, Donald and Goofy to be able to
have adventures seperately or together without specific restrictions.
Obviously I like this freedom of creative writing since I also like Minnie'n
Me and the Disney Babies which happen to be the very same characters but in
an alternate reality and age. I see no harm in a tacit cohesion between the
Duck & Mouse universes, and even the Goof Troop and Darkwing Duck Universes.
They're not that far removed. I can see where there might be difficulties in
incorporating the Talespin, Rescue Rangers, Bonkers, Gummi Bears, and
Marsupilami realities, but even that could be done (obviously I'm ruffling a
few purest's tailfeathers). Everyone stay calm I'm just hypothesizing.
I kinda think of all of Disney's toons living in this universe called The
Disney Tooniverse. Within it there are several towns and pocket dimensions.
Duckburg, Mousetown, Bugsville, Spoonerville, St. Canard and others are
certain towns on the Disney "Earth." These roughly correspond to real towns
like New York or San Fransico, etc. Within the Tooniverse is also the
seperate dimensions where Dumbo and Timothy live, another for Ariel and
Ursula, another for Snow White and Dopey, another for Little Hiawatha, another
for Jungle Book, etc. Ocassionally, somehow some of the characters escape
into other dimensions and start a new reality (e.g. Baloo, Louie, Sher Khan
from the jungles of India to Cape Suzette, or Chip'n Dale). Sometimes, some
of characters esscape into the more common planes, hence Jiminy Cricket or
Tinkerbelle, or even Mad Madame Mim run into Donald, Mickey and others.
Just some ideas. Please no one get offended. I'm just hypothesizing.
-Rich
James Williams
The Other Guy
Message 44 -
1993-04-17 at 17:08:34
Mickey Mouse's popularity is fading fast. Ninety percent of this lists
discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
questions:
Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey?
What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
questions:
Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey?
What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
James Williams
Women & Disney
Message 45 -
1993-04-17 at 17:08:41
I've alway heard that more women read Disney Comics than Marvel and DC.
Considering what Marvel and DC produce, I don't blame them. But two things
have always amazed me:
o In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
same way with Egmont?
o In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
spotlighting Dasey. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
characters?
If women like Disney, why aren't there stories geared toward them and why
aren't there more woman working on Disney Comics?
Considering what Marvel and DC produce, I don't blame them. But two things
have always amazed me:
o In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
same way with Egmont?
o In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
spotlighting Dasey. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
characters?
If women like Disney, why aren't there stories geared toward them and why
aren't there more woman working on Disney Comics?