Rich Bellacera wrote:
>Actually, as far as the name "Mouseton" goes, it comes from one of the
>last multi-part stories in Mickey Mouse Adventures published under the
>Disney name. I believe it had something to do with Emil Eagle or Prince
>Pinguin and had to do with Mickey saving the hometown of his, Minnie's,
>Horace's and Clarabelle's. The townsfolk named or maybe renamed thier
>town in honor of Mickey.
I don't know the origin of Mouseton, but this isn't it. Sure, Marv
Wolfman wrote a four part story entitled "The Weapons Master" (?)
involving Prince Penguin, Bad Pete, and Emil Eagle. But, the city
is called Mouseton in the very first chapter. The city isn't
renamed after Mickey. Besides, Mickey is too humble to accept
such an honor.
The name is not limited to Marv's stories. Egmont also calls Mickey's
hometown Mouseton.
>Due to their conspiquos absence, I don't believe that Donald and
>Daisy lived in the same comicbook town as Mickey and Minnie.
Though I don't think its been stated explicitedly, it been implied
implicetly that Donald and Daisey moved away. Relize that there are
two separate universes - one for Ducks and one for Mice. I suspect
that The Life of Scrooge will show Donald being born and raised in
Duckburg. This isn't a contradiction because they are two separate
universes.
>However, since Goofy often did come around and assist Mickey, I take it
>Goofy does, or at least did, live in Mouseton too. According to Goof
>Troop's premiere episode we witnessed Goofy and his son, Max's, move
>form 'somewhere'(not told) to the hometown of Pete & Peg (Trudy?)
>named Spoonerville.
Don't mix comic books and animation. They've got nothing to do with
each other. The Goofy of the Mouse Universe lives in Mouseton. The
Goofy of the Goof Troop Universe lives in Spoonerville. If you want
to know the origin of Spoonerville, watch the closing credits closely.
Author
Topic: 199304
(103 messages)
James Williams
Hometowns
Message 46 -
1993-04-17 at 19:50:56
Torsten Wesley Adair
The Other Guy
Message 47 -
1993-04-18 at 22:07:51
On 17 Apr 1993, James Williams wrote:
> Mickey Mouse's popularity is fading fast. Ninety percent of this lists
> discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
Hoo boy. And I thought the Duck Family Tree discussion was overwhelming!
Talk about a powder keg!
> And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
> questions:
Well there was Mickey & Donald, which Gladstone is changing to Donald &
Mickey (check out the Van Horn cover, priceless!)
> Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey? >
> What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
1941. Mickey Mouse's popularity was being eclipsed by DD and Goofy.
Disney decided to make a short called the Sorceror's Apprentice. He had
MM redesigned, and made more likeable. Of course, this short went way
over budget, and became a feature, but that's another story.
If you have read any of the old Mickey Mouse adventure comic strips (some
were recently published in WDC&S), you have discovered the MM that people
liked back in the 1920s and 1930s. When Walt lobotomized MM, much of this
adventurism was lost.
It wasn't until Carl Barks created Uncle Scrooge that this form of
adventurism returned to Disney.
A few years ago, a small comic book company published the public domain
(copyright expired) Mickey Mouse strips. The title was the Uncensored
Mouse, and two issues were published. WD of course sued, and an agreement
was reached.
Since MM is now a corporate logo, and since he has been a goody-goody for
the past fifty years, WD can't really alter MM much. If MM was recast,
there would be a worldwide condemnation of WD. About the only thing WD
could do would be to show the old shorts in movie theaters, and maybe
rewrite the MM comic book cast. Some of the old MM stories are not too
bad, and with some fine tuning of stories and cast, could sell
respectfully. MM as a detective? What does he do for a living anyway?
Live off of licensing royalties?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
> Mickey Mouse's popularity is fading fast. Ninety percent of this lists
> discussions focus on ducks. Egmont publishes a lot more ducks than mice.
Hoo boy. And I thought the Duck Family Tree discussion was overwhelming!
Talk about a powder keg!
> And Gladstone isn't even publishing a Mickey Mouse comic book. Two
> questions:
Well there was Mickey & Donald, which Gladstone is changing to Donald &
Mickey (check out the Van Horn cover, priceless!)
> Why are Donald and Scrooge more popular than Mickey? >
> What could be done to make Mickey more popular?
1941. Mickey Mouse's popularity was being eclipsed by DD and Goofy.
Disney decided to make a short called the Sorceror's Apprentice. He had
MM redesigned, and made more likeable. Of course, this short went way
over budget, and became a feature, but that's another story.
If you have read any of the old Mickey Mouse adventure comic strips (some
were recently published in WDC&S), you have discovered the MM that people
liked back in the 1920s and 1930s. When Walt lobotomized MM, much of this
adventurism was lost.
It wasn't until Carl Barks created Uncle Scrooge that this form of
adventurism returned to Disney.
A few years ago, a small comic book company published the public domain
(copyright expired) Mickey Mouse strips. The title was the Uncensored
Mouse, and two issues were published. WD of course sued, and an agreement
was reached.
Since MM is now a corporate logo, and since he has been a goody-goody for
the past fifty years, WD can't really alter MM much. If MM was recast,
there would be a worldwide condemnation of WD. About the only thing WD
could do would be to show the old shorts in movie theaters, and maybe
rewrite the MM comic book cast. Some of the old MM stories are not too
bad, and with some fine tuning of stories and cast, could sell
respectfully. MM as a detective? What does he do for a living anyway?
Live off of licensing royalties?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Per Starbäck
Location of Duckburg once again
Message 48 -
1993-04-19 at 01:37:11
More random notes on Duckburg, this time only using Barks material.
Things get too complicated when you consider other stuff as well.
One problem when using clues as to the location of Duckburg is that we
can't be sure that Donald always has lived in Duckburg. As Harry said
the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
from "Quackville". (That newspaper is dated March 1 1944 by the way,
and the cover date of WDC 42 is March 1944, so that is one of quite a
few indications that Barks's stories take place when they are
published.) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
Duckburg yet. (When Donald fantasized about becoming first page stuff
in the earlier WDC 32, it is in the same newspaper, btw.)
Duckburg is mentioned for the first time in WDC 49 (Oct 1944), where a
road sign says that it is 2096 miles to Duckburg when Donald and the
boys are walking along the railroad from Buffalo, N.Y. This fact and
the one that I already mentioned that they travelled 2400 miles to get
to Floodout, Ohio (in "Terror of the River") helps to place Duckburg
firmly on the west coast. (It has a harbour, so it must be on a
coast.) The latest issue of Swedish Donaldist fanzine NAFS(k)uriren
happens to contain an article on Duckburg and Mouseton where the
author (Mattias Hallin) also mentions several other facts that shows
that Duckburg is on the west coast of the USA, e.g., that when the
ducks sail south along the coast in WDC 53 they get to Acapulco.
After the first mention in WDC 49, the name Duckburg is mentioned
again now and then, at least in WDC 61, 86, 112, 117, 138, 139, ...
Probably Donald and the boys live there all this time and onwards.
But before that? Did they live in another town (Quackville) in WDC
42, Duckburg in WDC 49 and moved somewhere between those issues?
Well, then Daisy would have had to move too, and, what is less
probable, Neighbor Jones (noone else though), so I think that's highly
improbable. Later on it becomes even less thinkable that they move
from town to town as the cast of recurring Duckburgians was enlarged.
A curious exchange of lines from WDC 91:
Nephews: "So we're leaving town for good, unca' Donald! Where are we
going?"
Donald: "To Little America, where the only social figures are
penguins---and they can't read!"
I guess they changed their mind...
Well, whatabout Burbank then? As I said before Donald greets a square
fellow in Plain Awful (in Lost in the Andes, 1949) with "Howdy Bud!
I'm from the South myself---South Burbank!"
If we go outside the frame for a moment, this line must have to do
with the fact that the Disney Studios was situated in the south part
of Burbank, but what about inside the frame? Well, maybe Donald has
lived in south Burbank, maybe even was raised there? Then he could
have said that he was from south Burbank, even though he didn't live
there at that moment. My theory though, which I made up right now, is
that Duckburg is south of Burbank not far away, and that it sometimes
is called "South Burbank".
Burbank is also mentioned in WDC 101 where Donald exclaims "Let me
go back to Burbank!" but that is in a dream, so it is easy to handwave
away. (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
Donald. Where?)
Anyway Duckburg seems to be in the Los Angeles area (where Burbank
is). In WDC 75 when Donald shoots at a target from Southside Park
over the creek he hits a boxcar and according to a person there "that
bullet's going clear to San Pedro", a seaport to Los Angeles. And in
WDC 109 the ducks take the car out into the desert where they
accidentally break into a water tunnel on the Los Angeles Aqueduct.
Besides showing that the ducks live near Los Angeles that also shows
that there is a town named Los Angeles in the Barkian universe, so it
is doesn't seem to be the case that Duckburg there corresponds to our
Los Angeles.
Los Angeles is also mentioned in Old Californa (FC 328, 1951) where
"Donald and his nephews are sightseeing near Los Angeles" and at the
end of the story it's "back to the city kids---and home!" Los Angeles
is in California even in the duck universe, so the state line between
Californa and Calisota must be very close there. (Calisota is where
Duckburg is according to The Gilded Man.)
Well, did that make anything clearer? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"That? That Los Angeles?"
"You seem surprised! Did you expect a larger village?"
Things get too complicated when you consider other stuff as well.
One problem when using clues as to the location of Duckburg is that we
can't be sure that Donald always has lived in Duckburg. As Harry said
the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
from "Quackville". (That newspaper is dated March 1 1944 by the way,
and the cover date of WDC 42 is March 1944, so that is one of quite a
few indications that Barks's stories take place when they are
published.) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
Duckburg yet. (When Donald fantasized about becoming first page stuff
in the earlier WDC 32, it is in the same newspaper, btw.)
Duckburg is mentioned for the first time in WDC 49 (Oct 1944), where a
road sign says that it is 2096 miles to Duckburg when Donald and the
boys are walking along the railroad from Buffalo, N.Y. This fact and
the one that I already mentioned that they travelled 2400 miles to get
to Floodout, Ohio (in "Terror of the River") helps to place Duckburg
firmly on the west coast. (It has a harbour, so it must be on a
coast.) The latest issue of Swedish Donaldist fanzine NAFS(k)uriren
happens to contain an article on Duckburg and Mouseton where the
author (Mattias Hallin) also mentions several other facts that shows
that Duckburg is on the west coast of the USA, e.g., that when the
ducks sail south along the coast in WDC 53 they get to Acapulco.
After the first mention in WDC 49, the name Duckburg is mentioned
again now and then, at least in WDC 61, 86, 112, 117, 138, 139, ...
Probably Donald and the boys live there all this time and onwards.
But before that? Did they live in another town (Quackville) in WDC
42, Duckburg in WDC 49 and moved somewhere between those issues?
Well, then Daisy would have had to move too, and, what is less
probable, Neighbor Jones (noone else though), so I think that's highly
improbable. Later on it becomes even less thinkable that they move
from town to town as the cast of recurring Duckburgians was enlarged.
A curious exchange of lines from WDC 91:
Nephews: "So we're leaving town for good, unca' Donald! Where are we
going?"
Donald: "To Little America, where the only social figures are
penguins---and they can't read!"
I guess they changed their mind...
Well, whatabout Burbank then? As I said before Donald greets a square
fellow in Plain Awful (in Lost in the Andes, 1949) with "Howdy Bud!
I'm from the South myself---South Burbank!"
If we go outside the frame for a moment, this line must have to do
with the fact that the Disney Studios was situated in the south part
of Burbank, but what about inside the frame? Well, maybe Donald has
lived in south Burbank, maybe even was raised there? Then he could
have said that he was from south Burbank, even though he didn't live
there at that moment. My theory though, which I made up right now, is
that Duckburg is south of Burbank not far away, and that it sometimes
is called "South Burbank".
Burbank is also mentioned in WDC 101 where Donald exclaims "Let me
go back to Burbank!" but that is in a dream, so it is easy to handwave
away. (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
Donald. Where?)
Anyway Duckburg seems to be in the Los Angeles area (where Burbank
is). In WDC 75 when Donald shoots at a target from Southside Park
over the creek he hits a boxcar and according to a person there "that
bullet's going clear to San Pedro", a seaport to Los Angeles. And in
WDC 109 the ducks take the car out into the desert where they
accidentally break into a water tunnel on the Los Angeles Aqueduct.
Besides showing that the ducks live near Los Angeles that also shows
that there is a town named Los Angeles in the Barkian universe, so it
is doesn't seem to be the case that Duckburg there corresponds to our
Los Angeles.
Los Angeles is also mentioned in Old Californa (FC 328, 1951) where
"Donald and his nephews are sightseeing near Los Angeles" and at the
end of the story it's "back to the city kids---and home!" Los Angeles
is in California even in the duck universe, so the state line between
Californa and Calisota must be very close there. (Calisota is where
Duckburg is according to The Gilded Man.)
Well, did that make anything clearer? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"That? That Los Angeles?"
"You seem surprised! Did you expect a larger village?"
Per Starbäck
Killmotor Hill, Women
Message 49 -
1993-04-19 at 02:18:15
Killmotor Hill
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry:
> Scrooge's money bin is prominently situated on a hill
> (Rosa called it "Killmotor Hill". Is this a genuine Barks name?)
> on the place of old Fort Duckburgh.
Yep, it's from WDC 135.
Nephews: "Unca Donald, what is that big building on Killmotor Hill?"
Donald: "That, boys, is Uncle Scrooge's new *money bin*!"
It was time to get a new money bin right then, because the one he had
before that broke in the issue before that.
Women and Disney comics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
James:
> In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
> Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
> think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
> same way with Egmont?
I guess so. They don't give credits here though, so it's hard to
know.
> In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
> seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
> spotlighting Dasey. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
> characters?
Not often. As for the old stuff there are of course Daisy Duck's
Diary with Daisy in the lead and often with April, May and June.
Pretty boring stories...
> If women like Disney, why aren't there stories geared toward them
Maybe because the (male) writers "gear" the stories to (the child/boy
in) themselves? And how do you gear stories toward men or women
anyway? (Besides using characters of both sexes. The shortage of
interesting female characters in the duck universe is pretty obvious
to me.)
> and why aren't there more woman working on Disney Comics?
Is Disney really exceptional? I thought rather few women worked in the
American commercial comics industry at all. (As apart from the (post)
underground.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Women! I hate 'em!" -- Donald Duck in WDC 111
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry:
> Scrooge's money bin is prominently situated on a hill
> (Rosa called it "Killmotor Hill". Is this a genuine Barks name?)
> on the place of old Fort Duckburgh.
Yep, it's from WDC 135.
Nephews: "Unca Donald, what is that big building on Killmotor Hill?"
Donald: "That, boys, is Uncle Scrooge's new *money bin*!"
It was time to get a new money bin right then, because the one he had
before that broke in the issue before that.
Women and Disney comics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
James:
> In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
> Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
> think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
> same way with Egmont?
I guess so. They don't give credits here though, so it's hard to
know.
> In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
> seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
> spotlighting Dasey. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
> characters?
Not often. As for the old stuff there are of course Daisy Duck's
Diary with Daisy in the lead and often with April, May and June.
Pretty boring stories...
> If women like Disney, why aren't there stories geared toward them
Maybe because the (male) writers "gear" the stories to (the child/boy
in) themselves? And how do you gear stories toward men or women
anyway? (Besides using characters of both sexes. The shortage of
interesting female characters in the duck universe is pretty obvious
to me.)
> and why aren't there more woman working on Disney Comics?
Is Disney really exceptional? I thought rather few women worked in the
American commercial comics industry at all. (As apart from the (post)
underground.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Women! I hate 'em!" -- Donald Duck in WDC 111
Torsten Wesley Adair
Gladstone numbering
Message 50 -
1993-04-19 at 03:50:50
INDEXERS TAKE NOTE!
Source: Comics Buyer's Guide #1015 April 30, 1993 p.132
In a nutshell:
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
Uncle Scrooge
Since Disney didn't change the numbering, neither will Gladstone.
Donald and Mickey
Donald Duck
Uncle Scrooge
Disney dropped these titles, and Gladstone will be continuing the
numbering from where it stopped.
Donald Duck Adventures
Gladstone created this title.
Disney continued it.
Disney started over with #1.
1) Gladstone could start over, making three different issues of
DDA #1.
2) Gladstone could continue with Disney's numbering, creating a
mysterious gap in the numbering of Gladstone's issues.
3) Gladstone could continue from where they left off.
They will continue their numbering system, thereby creating two DDA entries.
One will be the finite Disney Comics series, the other will be the
Gladstone series, which will have a time gap.
Of course, Gladstone will continue to process subscriptions, and they will
continue the high production standards of Disney Comics.
$18 for domestic, $23 for foreign, twelve issues (two years worth).
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Source: Comics Buyer's Guide #1015 April 30, 1993 p.132
In a nutshell:
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
Uncle Scrooge
Since Disney didn't change the numbering, neither will Gladstone.
Donald and Mickey
Donald Duck
Uncle Scrooge
Disney dropped these titles, and Gladstone will be continuing the
numbering from where it stopped.
Donald Duck Adventures
Gladstone created this title.
Disney continued it.
Disney started over with #1.
1) Gladstone could start over, making three different issues of
DDA #1.
2) Gladstone could continue with Disney's numbering, creating a
mysterious gap in the numbering of Gladstone's issues.
3) Gladstone could continue from where they left off.
They will continue their numbering system, thereby creating two DDA entries.
One will be the finite Disney Comics series, the other will be the
Gladstone series, which will have a time gap.
Of course, Gladstone will continue to process subscriptions, and they will
continue the high production standards of Disney Comics.
$18 for domestic, $23 for foreign, twelve issues (two years worth).
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Harry Fluks
The Other Guy
Message 51 -
1993-04-19 at 18:39:46
Rich writes:
> (...) I think Mickey's popularity suffered due to
> a lack of exposure in the same way that the Ducks' popularity prospered due
> to the presentation of T.V.'s "Ducktales."
You state here that the TV series helped making the characters popular.
In Europe, this is definitely _not_ the case. Donald, Mickey and others
are popular _comic_ characters, appearing in weekly and monthly comic
magazines, available on every street corner (almost literally!)
The TV series are just additional.
> I vote for a NEW Mickey Mouse comic (not just Mickey & Donald that Gladstone
> will be publishing which will be reprints)
I hope Gladstone will have that much success that they decide
to bring _all_ their comic series back (including Mickey and DuckTales).
That would mean about 8 to 9 new comics a month.
But they can fill the books with reprints: excellent newspaper stories you
probably never heard of, and the best Murry and Scarpa reprints. I didn't
like the new stories Disney Comics was doing.
BTW: Gladstone's first Donald and Mickey will contain a story of 'Mickey and
the Sleuth'. It is with that London detective (Dutch name Olivier Flops,
English name... what was it, Per? Sheerluck Jones? 8-).
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> (...) I think Mickey's popularity suffered due to
> a lack of exposure in the same way that the Ducks' popularity prospered due
> to the presentation of T.V.'s "Ducktales."
You state here that the TV series helped making the characters popular.
In Europe, this is definitely _not_ the case. Donald, Mickey and others
are popular _comic_ characters, appearing in weekly and monthly comic
magazines, available on every street corner (almost literally!)
The TV series are just additional.
> I vote for a NEW Mickey Mouse comic (not just Mickey & Donald that Gladstone
> will be publishing which will be reprints)
I hope Gladstone will have that much success that they decide
to bring _all_ their comic series back (including Mickey and DuckTales).
That would mean about 8 to 9 new comics a month.
But they can fill the books with reprints: excellent newspaper stories you
probably never heard of, and the best Murry and Scarpa reprints. I didn't
like the new stories Disney Comics was doing.
BTW: Gladstone's first Donald and Mickey will contain a story of 'Mickey and
the Sleuth'. It is with that London detective (Dutch name Olivier Flops,
English name... what was it, Per? Sheerluck Jones? 8-).
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Harry Fluks
Location of Duckburg once again
Message 52 -
1993-04-19 at 19:07:03
"
Our encyclopedic source, Per Starback, wrote:
> (...) the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
> from "Quackville".
> (...) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
> maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
> Duckburg yet.
Another possibility: The Daily Quack (from Quackville) is also distributed
in Duckburg. Just like in Holland, where the "New Rotterdam Newspaper" (NRC)
is read all over the country.
> Did they live in another town (Quackville) in WDC
> 42, Duckburg in WDC 49 and moved somewhere between those issues?
> Well, then Daisy would have had to move too, and, what is less
> probable, Neighbor Jones (noone else though), so I think that's highly
> improbable.
Wasn't there a story where Donald moved as far as possible from Jones, and
Jones moved too? Or was that within the same town?
> A curious exchange of lines from WDC 91:
> Nephews: "So we're leaving town for good, unca' Donald! Where are we
> going?"
> Donald: "To Little America, where the only social figures are
> penguins---and they can't read!"
> I guess they changed their mind...
..or they moved back before the next story. They've often run to the south
pole, Timbouctou, and other places, at the end of a story...
> Well, whatabout Burbank then? (...) My theory though, which I made up
> right now, is
> that Duckburg is south of Burbank not far away, and that it sometimes
> is called "South Burbank".
This seems quite improbable to me.
> Burbank is also mentioned in WDC 101 where Donald exclaims "Let me
> go back to Burbank!" but that is in a dream, so it is easy to handwave
> away. (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
> Donald. Where?)
On the caption of the panel where they reach the Rajah's palace, it says
something like "It's a long way from Burbank to India".
(My problem is that I don't have the English version of all Barks stories,
I happened to have this one, since it was reprinted in a Gladstone comic)
> Well, did that make anything clearer? :-)
Yes, it did. But when was Duckburg founded? (I guess we can get that
information from Rosa's "His Majesty, McDuck". Rosa states Duckburg is built
around Scrooge's money bin. Is there a Barks source confirming this?)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Our encyclopedic source, Per Starback, wrote:
> (...) the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
> from "Quackville".
> (...) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
> maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
> Duckburg yet.
Another possibility: The Daily Quack (from Quackville) is also distributed
in Duckburg. Just like in Holland, where the "New Rotterdam Newspaper" (NRC)
is read all over the country.
> Did they live in another town (Quackville) in WDC
> 42, Duckburg in WDC 49 and moved somewhere between those issues?
> Well, then Daisy would have had to move too, and, what is less
> probable, Neighbor Jones (noone else though), so I think that's highly
> improbable.
Wasn't there a story where Donald moved as far as possible from Jones, and
Jones moved too? Or was that within the same town?
> A curious exchange of lines from WDC 91:
> Nephews: "So we're leaving town for good, unca' Donald! Where are we
> going?"
> Donald: "To Little America, where the only social figures are
> penguins---and they can't read!"
> I guess they changed their mind...
..or they moved back before the next story. They've often run to the south
pole, Timbouctou, and other places, at the end of a story...
> Well, whatabout Burbank then? (...) My theory though, which I made up
> right now, is
> that Duckburg is south of Burbank not far away, and that it sometimes
> is called "South Burbank".
This seems quite improbable to me.
> Burbank is also mentioned in WDC 101 where Donald exclaims "Let me
> go back to Burbank!" but that is in a dream, so it is easy to handwave
> away. (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
> Donald. Where?)
On the caption of the panel where they reach the Rajah's palace, it says
something like "It's a long way from Burbank to India".
(My problem is that I don't have the English version of all Barks stories,
I happened to have this one, since it was reprinted in a Gladstone comic)
> Well, did that make anything clearer? :-)
Yes, it did. But when was Duckburg founded? (I guess we can get that
information from Rosa's "His Majesty, McDuck". Rosa states Duckburg is built
around Scrooge's money bin. Is there a Barks source confirming this?)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Harry Fluks
Women
Message 53 -
1993-04-19 at 19:17:36
James:
> In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
> Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
> think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
> same way with Egmont?
Per:
> I guess so. They don't give credits here though, so it's hard to
> know.
They gave a few credits in the USA reprint of Egmont stories. None of them
were women.
In the Dutch comic production, there was at least one woman: the story
writer Patty Klein. She also did a lot of non-Disney comic stories.
James:
> In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
> seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
> spotlighting Daisy. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
> characters?
Per:
> Not often. As for the old stuff there are of course Daisy Duck's
> Diary with Daisy in the lead and often with April, May and June.
> Pretty boring stories...
Same in Holland. Another female lead character: Madam Mim (is that a
female? 8-).
BTW: They made a special version of the 'Donald Duck' weekly in Holland,
a few years ago. It was called 'Daisy Duck'. The cover showed daisy
covering the word "Donald" of the logo with "Daisy". The comic contained
Daisy Duck stories _only_. I guess it was a gesture to all those letters
from fans saying Daisy should have more stories of her own.
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
> "Women! I hate 'em!" -- Donald Duck in WDC 111
"Men! I hate 'em!" -- a parrot in another WDC story
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> In the US, I can only think of two women who are involved in producing
> Disney comics. One is a colorist and the other an editor. I can't
> think of a single woman who writes or draws Disney Comics. Is it the
> same way with Egmont?
Per:
> I guess so. They don't give credits here though, so it's hard to
> know.
They gave a few credits in the USA reprint of Egmont stories. None of them
were women.
In the Dutch comic production, there was at least one woman: the story
writer Patty Klein. She also did a lot of non-Disney comic stories.
James:
> In the US, almost every single story lead character is male. I've never
> seen a story with Minnie in the lead and can only recall two stories
> spotlighting Daisy. Does Egmont publish more stories with women
> characters?
Per:
> Not often. As for the old stuff there are of course Daisy Duck's
> Diary with Daisy in the lead and often with April, May and June.
> Pretty boring stories...
Same in Holland. Another female lead character: Madam Mim (is that a
female? 8-).
BTW: They made a special version of the 'Donald Duck' weekly in Holland,
a few years ago. It was called 'Daisy Duck'. The cover showed daisy
covering the word "Donald" of the logo with "Daisy". The comic contained
Daisy Duck stories _only_. I guess it was a gesture to all those letters
from fans saying Daisy should have more stories of her own.
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
> "Women! I hate 'em!" -- Donald Duck in WDC 111
"Men! I hate 'em!" -- a parrot in another WDC story
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Harry Fluks
Questions to Don Rosa
Message 54 -
1993-04-19 at 19:24:40
Since we're (ab)using Don's membership by asking a lot of questions, here's
one I've been wanting to ask for some time:
Don,
Why did you go to the Dutch publisher Oberon when you worked for Gladstone?
And why did you stop working for Oberon? Is it only the fact that Thom
Roep did not like your drawing style?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
one I've been wanting to ask for some time:
Don,
Why did you go to the Dutch publisher Oberon when you worked for Gladstone?
And why did you stop working for Oberon? Is it only the fact that Thom
Roep did not like your drawing style?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Per Starbäck
Duckburg, Calisota
Message 55 -
1993-04-20 at 11:30:29
Harry wrote (first quoting me):
>> (...) the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
>> from "Quackville".
>> (...) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
>> maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
>> Duckburg yet.
>
> Another possibility: The Daily Quack (from Quackville) is also distributed
> in Duckburg. Just like in Holland, where the "New Rotterdam Newspaper" (NRC)
> is read all over the country.
Maybe, but it seems more natural for a very local paper to have a
first-page headline like "LITTLE GIRL WITH BIG KITE WINS TOP HONORS".
The other thing that's readable on that page is "`Cutest tot I ever
saw,' says Mayor of shy heroine".
> Wasn't there a story where Donald moved as far as possible from Jones, and
> Jones moved too? Or was that within the same town?
WDC 38 and they seem to be moving within the same town. While they
are driving through the town looking for a new house HD&L say "Unca
Donald, let's move over on Oak Street! That's a swell district!"
They don't move there then though, but I guess this is the same Oak
Street where they do live in WDC 64 ("All quiet on Oak Street, except
Donald Duck's house").
me> I guess they changed their mind...
> ..or they moved back before the next story. They've often run to the south
> pole, Timbouctou, and other places, at the end of a story...
Yeah, but they said that they were leaving town _for good_.
> This [stupid South Burbank theory of mine] seems quite improbable to me.
I agree. I was just trying desperately to explain it away, as I think
of Donald as living in Duckburg, at least at that time (1949).
me> (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
me> Donald. Where?)
> On the caption of the panel where they reach the Rajah's palace, it says
> something like "It's a long way from Burbank to India".
Thanks. The exact quote is "From Burbank, Calif., to a maharajah's
palace is a big jump for the ducks!" Sigh...
And next my comments to Don Rosa's mail on the matter. Once again I
assume it was meant for the list, even though I got it, so I start
with quoting it in its entirety (edited down to 80 columns):
> I applaud your knowledge of the old mentions of where Donald
> lives. The key is that all your sited references were ANCIENT....
> before the final version was settled on. Donald has ALWAYS lived in
> Duckburg, no matter what the old, old comics say. Just as $crooge
> never really hired thugs to beat up a village full of African natives,
> as was stated in "The Magic Hourgalss".
> In the version of the Barksian Universe that I. personally,
> adhere to, Duckberg exists on the ACTUAL planet Earth which is
> identical to reality EXCEPT that there is another state between
> California & Oregon named Calisota (all land north of, oh, Santa
> Rosa). I mentally visualize Duckberg as being on the opposite side of
> the bay from Eureka.
The reason I quoted so many "ancient" sources is just because I
recently reread the old WDC's (taking notes all the time...). Well,
sooner or later you have to decide on what to believe when there is a
conflict of evidence, but I want to believe as much as possible and
think it's sort of cheating to say that some stories are "real" and
some are "imaginary".
On the ACTUAL planet Earth?? That seems highly improbable to me. :-)
I think that many of the stories taking place outside of Duckburg show
that the duck universe isn't identical to Reality there either.
Hmm, regarding Calisota: In the TV quiz show in WDC 152 one contestant
gets the question "How many states in the 48 states?" (This was
before Alaska and Hawaii.) Well, how many? Did he really say "How
many states in the 49 states?" but Barks changed it as to not confuse
the reader, or, taking my literalist approach, USA in the duck
universe really had 48 states, so one of "our" states must go to leave
room for Calisota. (Which one?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>> (...) the newspaper that reported on the kite flying contest in WDC 42 is
>> from "Quackville".
>> (...) Maybe Quackville is the name of a part of Duckburg, or
>> maybe it really is another town and Donald and the boys didn't live in
>> Duckburg yet.
>
> Another possibility: The Daily Quack (from Quackville) is also distributed
> in Duckburg. Just like in Holland, where the "New Rotterdam Newspaper" (NRC)
> is read all over the country.
Maybe, but it seems more natural for a very local paper to have a
first-page headline like "LITTLE GIRL WITH BIG KITE WINS TOP HONORS".
The other thing that's readable on that page is "`Cutest tot I ever
saw,' says Mayor of shy heroine".
> Wasn't there a story where Donald moved as far as possible from Jones, and
> Jones moved too? Or was that within the same town?
WDC 38 and they seem to be moving within the same town. While they
are driving through the town looking for a new house HD&L say "Unca
Donald, let's move over on Oak Street! That's a swell district!"
They don't move there then though, but I guess this is the same Oak
Street where they do live in WDC 64 ("All quiet on Oak Street, except
Donald Duck's house").
me> I guess they changed their mind...
> ..or they moved back before the next story. They've often run to the south
> pole, Timbouctou, and other places, at the end of a story...
Yeah, but they said that they were leaving town _for good_.
> This [stupid South Burbank theory of mine] seems quite improbable to me.
I agree. I was just trying desperately to explain it away, as I think
of Donald as living in Duckburg, at least at that time (1949).
me> (Harry, you said that Burbank also is mentioned in Maharajah
me> Donald. Where?)
> On the caption of the panel where they reach the Rajah's palace, it says
> something like "It's a long way from Burbank to India".
Thanks. The exact quote is "From Burbank, Calif., to a maharajah's
palace is a big jump for the ducks!" Sigh...
And next my comments to Don Rosa's mail on the matter. Once again I
assume it was meant for the list, even though I got it, so I start
with quoting it in its entirety (edited down to 80 columns):
> I applaud your knowledge of the old mentions of where Donald
> lives. The key is that all your sited references were ANCIENT....
> before the final version was settled on. Donald has ALWAYS lived in
> Duckburg, no matter what the old, old comics say. Just as $crooge
> never really hired thugs to beat up a village full of African natives,
> as was stated in "The Magic Hourgalss".
> In the version of the Barksian Universe that I. personally,
> adhere to, Duckberg exists on the ACTUAL planet Earth which is
> identical to reality EXCEPT that there is another state between
> California & Oregon named Calisota (all land north of, oh, Santa
> Rosa). I mentally visualize Duckberg as being on the opposite side of
> the bay from Eureka.
The reason I quoted so many "ancient" sources is just because I
recently reread the old WDC's (taking notes all the time...). Well,
sooner or later you have to decide on what to believe when there is a
conflict of evidence, but I want to believe as much as possible and
think it's sort of cheating to say that some stories are "real" and
some are "imaginary".
On the ACTUAL planet Earth?? That seems highly improbable to me. :-)
I think that many of the stories taking place outside of Duckburg show
that the duck universe isn't identical to Reality there either.
Hmm, regarding Calisota: In the TV quiz show in WDC 152 one contestant
gets the question "How many states in the 48 states?" (This was
before Alaska and Hawaii.) Well, how many? Did he really say "How
many states in the 49 states?" but Barks changed it as to not confuse
the reader, or, taking my literalist approach, USA in the duck
universe really had 48 states, so one of "our" states must go to leave
room for Calisota. (Which one?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starbäck
Don Rosa's replies
Message 56 -
1993-04-20 at 11:39:42
[There is now a digest form of disney-comics, because Don liked that.
Nothing fancy, it's just a way to get the messages to the list once a
day collected together instead of getting the individual messages.
Tell me if you want to subscribe that way instead. I set the
Reply-To: field of the first digest to the list, but Don's replies got
back to me anyway. Here they are. /Per]
======================================================================
Replies to comments in the "digest":
Gladstone will publish no MICKEY MOUSE comics because they just don't sell. They are trying their best to keep Mickey alive in America
by finding space for him in the rear of some DONALD comics. And they will publish no DUCKTALES or any other tie-ins to Disney TV shows;
as a fan of Dell Disney comics and NOT of Disney in particular, I am completely apathetic towards those TV comics, so I'm glad to
not see Gladstone waste time with them. Maybe Marvel will pick those up and they would probably know better how to produce material
pleasing to the TV shows' juvenile audiences.
The founding of Duckburg: between my "His Majesty McDuck" and part 10 of "The Life of $crooge", I tell pretty much the entire (Rosa)
version of the history of Duckberg. The only facts that Barks ever mentioned about Duckberg is that it was founded by Cornelius Coot
and in 1961 there was a centennial celebration. I took this to mean that the city was not "incorporated" until many years after it
was "founded"... or not until Calisota became a state? I have $crooge arrive in 1903, and Duckberg is still only about 3 shacks by then.
Barks also stated that $crooge's bin is on the site of Fort Duckberg, which I also weave into my series.
Disney comic editors who are women: actually, though she is a master colorist and very nice lady, the female editor at Disney comics
was only moved into that position because everyone else QUIT. However, until just a few weeks ago, the editor-in-chief of Egmont's
entire Disney division was a woman, and the editor of Sweden's branch of Egmont-Disney is a woman.
Me and Holland: I only did some stuff for Oberon in between jobs at Gladstone. They don't produce a fraction of the amount of stuff
as does world-spanning Egmont, so there was much more work (and better pay) for me at Egmont. The Dutch weren't too thrilled with my
art, to their credit... but how did Harry Fluks know that??? Anyway, they must have some Dutch readers who like my weird-looking art
since they always reprint everything I produce for Egmont.
Nothing fancy, it's just a way to get the messages to the list once a
day collected together instead of getting the individual messages.
Tell me if you want to subscribe that way instead. I set the
Reply-To: field of the first digest to the list, but Don's replies got
back to me anyway. Here they are. /Per]
======================================================================
Replies to comments in the "digest":
Gladstone will publish no MICKEY MOUSE comics because they just don't sell. They are trying their best to keep Mickey alive in America
by finding space for him in the rear of some DONALD comics. And they will publish no DUCKTALES or any other tie-ins to Disney TV shows;
as a fan of Dell Disney comics and NOT of Disney in particular, I am completely apathetic towards those TV comics, so I'm glad to
not see Gladstone waste time with them. Maybe Marvel will pick those up and they would probably know better how to produce material
pleasing to the TV shows' juvenile audiences.
The founding of Duckburg: between my "His Majesty McDuck" and part 10 of "The Life of $crooge", I tell pretty much the entire (Rosa)
version of the history of Duckberg. The only facts that Barks ever mentioned about Duckberg is that it was founded by Cornelius Coot
and in 1961 there was a centennial celebration. I took this to mean that the city was not "incorporated" until many years after it
was "founded"... or not until Calisota became a state? I have $crooge arrive in 1903, and Duckberg is still only about 3 shacks by then.
Barks also stated that $crooge's bin is on the site of Fort Duckberg, which I also weave into my series.
Disney comic editors who are women: actually, though she is a master colorist and very nice lady, the female editor at Disney comics
was only moved into that position because everyone else QUIT. However, until just a few weeks ago, the editor-in-chief of Egmont's
entire Disney division was a woman, and the editor of Sweden's branch of Egmont-Disney is a woman.
Me and Holland: I only did some stuff for Oberon in between jobs at Gladstone. They don't produce a fraction of the amount of stuff
as does world-spanning Egmont, so there was much more work (and better pay) for me at Egmont. The Dutch weren't too thrilled with my
art, to their credit... but how did Harry Fluks know that??? Anyway, they must have some Dutch readers who like my weird-looking art
since they always reprint everything I produce for Egmont.
Harry Fluks
Duckburg, Calisota
Message 57 -
1993-04-20 at 17:26:51
Per wrote:
> Hmm, regarding Calisota: In the TV quiz show in WDC 152 one contestant
> gets the question "How many states in the 48 states?" (This was
> before Alaska and Hawaii.) Well, how many? Did he really say "How
> many states in the 49 states?" but Barks changed it as to not confuse
> the reader, or, taking my literalist approach, USA in the duck
> universe really had 48 states, so one of "our" states must go to leave
> room for Calisota. (Which one?)
I think he skipped Minnefornia.
--Harry.
> Hmm, regarding Calisota: In the TV quiz show in WDC 152 one contestant
> gets the question "How many states in the 48 states?" (This was
> before Alaska and Hawaii.) Well, how many? Did he really say "How
> many states in the 49 states?" but Barks changed it as to not confuse
> the reader, or, taking my literalist approach, USA in the duck
> universe really had 48 states, so one of "our" states must go to leave
> room for Calisota. (Which one?)
I think he skipped Minnefornia.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Don Rosa's replies
Message 58 -
1993-04-20 at 18:01:29
Don Rosa wrote:
> Disney comic editors who are women: actually, though she is a master
> colorist and very nice lady, the female editor at Disney comics
> was only moved into that position because everyone else QUIT. However,
> until just a few weeks ago, the editor-in-chief of Egmont's
> entire Disney division was a woman, and the editor of Sweden's branch of
> Egmont-Disney is a woman.
If I'm not mistaken, the Dutch Disney staff has 5 or 6 women, doing
editing work (like answering readers' letters). Apparently, editing comics
is more a woman's job than writing/drawing comic stories.
> Me and Holland: I only did some stuff for Oberon in between jobs at
> Gladstone. They don't produce a fraction of the amount of stuff
> as does world-spanning Egmont
Well, I have seen them copy some Dutch stories literally, only redrawn and
D-coded (and the original Dutch art wasn't bad). If that's the way they
produce more stories than the Dutch...
> The Dutch weren't too thrilled with my
> art, to their credit... but how did Harry Fluks know that???
I had contact with Thom Roep (the Dutch editor) for a while when
producing a 17-volume "all stories of Carl Barks" album series. I helped him
finding most of the stories, and put them in the right order (and I almost
succeeded in that...)
When your Money Pit story was reprinted in Holland, he told me it would
originally have been the lead story of the comic, but he had decided to move
the story to the back, and take a Vicar lead story instead. He said he didn't
like your "Underground-like" drawings, with much "unnecessary details".
In the interview you gave in Advance Comics #54, you say:
>> It's much more complex doing the adventure stories. It takes a lot
>> longer, but I love doing that stuff. That's why I put all of that
>> irritating and needless detail in those things - I'm just having such
>> a good time doing them.
When I read this, I suspected you were referring to Roep's remarks about
your drawing style...
> Anyway, they must have some Dutch readers who like my weird-looking art
At least one: me. I totally disagree with Roep.
> since they always reprint everything I produce for Egmont.
And they even reprint your old Gladstone stories. But not in the DD Weekly.
The stories are reprinted in the monthly 'DD Extra'. This magazine has less
quality paper and colors. I hope they'll reprint _all_ your stories,
even if they can't translate some of your texts (like the Sneekah Peek
story)...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"This rock is gneiss"
"I think it's nice too, but what IS it?"
> Disney comic editors who are women: actually, though she is a master
> colorist and very nice lady, the female editor at Disney comics
> was only moved into that position because everyone else QUIT. However,
> until just a few weeks ago, the editor-in-chief of Egmont's
> entire Disney division was a woman, and the editor of Sweden's branch of
> Egmont-Disney is a woman.
If I'm not mistaken, the Dutch Disney staff has 5 or 6 women, doing
editing work (like answering readers' letters). Apparently, editing comics
is more a woman's job than writing/drawing comic stories.
> Me and Holland: I only did some stuff for Oberon in between jobs at
> Gladstone. They don't produce a fraction of the amount of stuff
> as does world-spanning Egmont
Well, I have seen them copy some Dutch stories literally, only redrawn and
D-coded (and the original Dutch art wasn't bad). If that's the way they
produce more stories than the Dutch...
> The Dutch weren't too thrilled with my
> art, to their credit... but how did Harry Fluks know that???
I had contact with Thom Roep (the Dutch editor) for a while when
producing a 17-volume "all stories of Carl Barks" album series. I helped him
finding most of the stories, and put them in the right order (and I almost
succeeded in that...)
When your Money Pit story was reprinted in Holland, he told me it would
originally have been the lead story of the comic, but he had decided to move
the story to the back, and take a Vicar lead story instead. He said he didn't
like your "Underground-like" drawings, with much "unnecessary details".
In the interview you gave in Advance Comics #54, you say:
>> It's much more complex doing the adventure stories. It takes a lot
>> longer, but I love doing that stuff. That's why I put all of that
>> irritating and needless detail in those things - I'm just having such
>> a good time doing them.
When I read this, I suspected you were referring to Roep's remarks about
your drawing style...
> Anyway, they must have some Dutch readers who like my weird-looking art
At least one: me. I totally disagree with Roep.
> since they always reprint everything I produce for Egmont.
And they even reprint your old Gladstone stories. But not in the DD Weekly.
The stories are reprinted in the monthly 'DD Extra'. This magazine has less
quality paper and colors. I hope they'll reprint _all_ your stories,
even if they can't translate some of your texts (like the Sneekah Peek
story)...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"This rock is gneiss"
"I think it's nice too, but what IS it?"
Gilbert Milburn
Don's per-Disney works
Message 59 -
1993-04-20 at 18:55:17
Dear Mr. Rosa and all you Disney-duck fans out there,
I just wanted to remark on how much I appreciate this service and
ask Don a few questions if I could.
Don, would to be possible for you to keep us all up to date with
your plans on future `$crooge and Donald' stories to be watching
for?
Per and I where discussing once if anyone would be interested in
having a list of Don's pre-Disney works.
> Tue Apr 6 16:23 EDT 1993
> From: Per Starb{ck <starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
> To: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu
> In-Reply-To: Gilbert Milburn's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 17:45:57
> Subject: Don Rosa (comics)
>Don Rosa's pre-Disney works is of course not strictly Disney
>comics, but still I have a hunch that several people on the list
>would be interested. At least I would.
Also, there was a reference to one of Don's earlier works...
In: April 13, 1993 The Comics List Weekly VOL. 3 NO. 15 (Part 6)
Tom Galloway <tyg at valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM.> writes:
>If you can find it, the three collections of Rosa's Captain
>Kentucky strip, done weekly for one of the Louisville, Kentucky
>papers are quite good. This came out around a decade or more ago
>though, so it's not easy to find.
As a kid, I use to deliver the afternoon and Sunday newpapers in my
hometown of Bardstown, Kentucky (for six years of my life). During
that time I would read the adventures of Louisville's very own
super-hero: `Captian Kentucky!' The strip appeared weekly from
1979 until 1982 (Don, don't kill me if this is not correct!) in The
Louisville Times' Saturday Scene (magazine).
It was the highlight of my week; and this how I first became
extremely familiar with Keno Don Rosa and his work. I have all
three volumes of The Captain Kentucky Collections autographed by
Don.
Since you people are fans you all need to be on the lookout for
Don's other works. While he was attending the University of
Kentucky he started a comic-strip called "The Pertwillaby(sp?)
Papers". A few years after he graduated, he did two "P.P." comic-
magazines and I highly recommend them for reading. These stories
made it on an international level and have been reprinted many
times for several years. So it's quite possible that copies could
still be found (so ask your local comic-shop of choice about it!).
Anyway, I was going to summarize merely a few things that I just
happen to have in my collection (understand that I'm down here at
C-ville college, so all of my Rosa-comics are nestled safetly away
at home -- so right now I'm working solely on memory and this
material could be very wrong!) however, since Don is now a member
of our little fellowship... you really don't need me anymore!
Mr. Rosa I am so delighted that you are now a member of disney-
comics and that I could communicate with you here. You know that
you are someone who I have always greatly appreciated and
admired. Your career as a comic artist/writer is always been my
greatest dream. To one day do some of the things that you are now
doing (for any company) no matter how small or insignificant would
truly make my life a happy one! Well, I hope I haven't taken up
too much of valuable time or bored you too badly.
Thanks for all the wonderful memories,
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu.>
I just wanted to remark on how much I appreciate this service and
ask Don a few questions if I could.
Don, would to be possible for you to keep us all up to date with
your plans on future `$crooge and Donald' stories to be watching
for?
Per and I where discussing once if anyone would be interested in
having a list of Don's pre-Disney works.
> Tue Apr 6 16:23 EDT 1993
> From: Per Starb{ck <starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
> To: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu
> In-Reply-To: Gilbert Milburn's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 17:45:57
> Subject: Don Rosa (comics)
>Don Rosa's pre-Disney works is of course not strictly Disney
>comics, but still I have a hunch that several people on the list
>would be interested. At least I would.
Also, there was a reference to one of Don's earlier works...
In: April 13, 1993 The Comics List Weekly VOL. 3 NO. 15 (Part 6)
Tom Galloway <tyg at valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM.> writes:
>If you can find it, the three collections of Rosa's Captain
>Kentucky strip, done weekly for one of the Louisville, Kentucky
>papers are quite good. This came out around a decade or more ago
>though, so it's not easy to find.
As a kid, I use to deliver the afternoon and Sunday newpapers in my
hometown of Bardstown, Kentucky (for six years of my life). During
that time I would read the adventures of Louisville's very own
super-hero: `Captian Kentucky!' The strip appeared weekly from
1979 until 1982 (Don, don't kill me if this is not correct!) in The
Louisville Times' Saturday Scene (magazine).
It was the highlight of my week; and this how I first became
extremely familiar with Keno Don Rosa and his work. I have all
three volumes of The Captain Kentucky Collections autographed by
Don.
Since you people are fans you all need to be on the lookout for
Don's other works. While he was attending the University of
Kentucky he started a comic-strip called "The Pertwillaby(sp?)
Papers". A few years after he graduated, he did two "P.P." comic-
magazines and I highly recommend them for reading. These stories
made it on an international level and have been reprinted many
times for several years. So it's quite possible that copies could
still be found (so ask your local comic-shop of choice about it!).
Anyway, I was going to summarize merely a few things that I just
happen to have in my collection (understand that I'm down here at
C-ville college, so all of my Rosa-comics are nestled safetly away
at home -- so right now I'm working solely on memory and this
material could be very wrong!) however, since Don is now a member
of our little fellowship... you really don't need me anymore!
Mr. Rosa I am so delighted that you are now a member of disney-
comics and that I could communicate with you here. You know that
you are someone who I have always greatly appreciated and
admired. Your career as a comic artist/writer is always been my
greatest dream. To one day do some of the things that you are now
doing (for any company) no matter how small or insignificant would
truly make my life a happy one! Well, I hope I haven't taken up
too much of valuable time or bored you too badly.
Thanks for all the wonderful memories,
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu.>
Wilmer Rivers
Cluttered art styles
Message 60 -
1993-04-20 at 22:00:12
Harry Fluks writes (in reply to Don Rosa):
> I had contact with Thom Roep (the Dutch editor) for a while [...]
> When your Money Pit story was reprinted in Holland, he told me it would
> originally have been the lead story of the comic, but he had decided to move
> the story to the back, and take a Vicar lead story instead. He said he didn't
> like your "Underground-like" drawings, with much "unnecessary details".
>
So, I suppose Roep would have told Barks, "Erase all those unnecessary
lemmings!" :)
On the other hand, if Image had been publishing it, how many lemmings
would Barks have been required to stuff onto a page? To say nothing
of the glow-in-the-dark lemmings spilling off the cover...
When he scored the coup of establishing an e-mail link to Don Rosa,
Per Starback cautioned:
> Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
> (so watch your tongues :-)
>
Does Per's admonition mean that discussions like this one should
be held sub rosa?
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
> I had contact with Thom Roep (the Dutch editor) for a while [...]
> When your Money Pit story was reprinted in Holland, he told me it would
> originally have been the lead story of the comic, but he had decided to move
> the story to the back, and take a Vicar lead story instead. He said he didn't
> like your "Underground-like" drawings, with much "unnecessary details".
>
So, I suppose Roep would have told Barks, "Erase all those unnecessary
lemmings!" :)
On the other hand, if Image had been publishing it, how many lemmings
would Barks have been required to stuff onto a page? To say nothing
of the glow-in-the-dark lemmings spilling off the cover...
When he scored the coup of establishing an e-mail link to Don Rosa,
Per Starback cautioned:
> Don Rosa is now a member of this mailing list!
> (so watch your tongues :-)
>
Does Per's admonition mean that discussions like this one should
be held sub rosa?
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov