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Harry Fluks
The man behind the Ducks
Message 3 -
1994-06-02 at 16:16:17
Yesterday I bought German pocket book ("Lustiges Taschenbuch") #196. It
contains a very odd story called "The man behind the Ducks". It stars
Carl Barks, an artist who lives in Grant Pass, Oregon with his wife Gare'.
Both have dog-noses, and Carl has no hearing aid.
Barks is interviewed. He tells about how he met Scrooge, and agreed to
draw him in comic stories [!]. The story shows a lot of Barks panels:
first appearances of Scrooge, the Beagle Boys, Gladstone, Magica etc.
In the story, all these characters really exist, and they pose for Barks
when he makes a story.
Gyro even invented something to hang still in the air, so that Barks
could draw him on a jumping stick (trying to make butter).
As I said: very odd.
The story also refers to a movie premiere of Scrooge in Venice, where a
Barks painting is exhibited as well. The code "I 1919" suggests this
happened about two years ago.
Maybe you know more about this, Fabio? (or Luigi, if you're still there 8-)
--Harry.
contains a very odd story called "The man behind the Ducks". It stars
Carl Barks, an artist who lives in Grant Pass, Oregon with his wife Gare'.
Both have dog-noses, and Carl has no hearing aid.
Barks is interviewed. He tells about how he met Scrooge, and agreed to
draw him in comic stories [!]. The story shows a lot of Barks panels:
first appearances of Scrooge, the Beagle Boys, Gladstone, Magica etc.
In the story, all these characters really exist, and they pose for Barks
when he makes a story.
Gyro even invented something to hang still in the air, so that Barks
could draw him on a jumping stick (trying to make butter).
As I said: very odd.
The story also refers to a movie premiere of Scrooge in Venice, where a
Barks painting is exhibited as well. The code "I 1919" suggests this
happened about two years ago.
Maybe you know more about this, Fabio? (or Luigi, if you're still there 8-)
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
RE Digest #339
Message 4 -
1994-06-02 at 17:22:37
DON!
(when you do get this I hope you've had, to quote the old song,
the grandest time, and couldn't spend a dime, in Germany)
Yessiree, I'm still very much here, 'though a bit more on the QT these
days for reasons I explained a while back: my immediate superior, the
University head archivist, always knew about and never minded the time
I spent on the Internet -- he figgers his personnel are capable of
being responsible 'bout using work-time and -facilities for less than
productive purposes. Our division manager however, does not quite
share this view -- and this is of course her privilege; I'm NOT trying
to be snide, nor am I in any way mad about this -- so we've worked out
a kind of compromise, where I recieve the digests instead of the
continous postings, and then take these home to peruse and/or answer
on my own computer (which is not hooked up to the net -- I can't
afford that yet). In this way I minimize my use of work Internet
access for private purposes; but Alas! it also means I'm not as fast
on the reply as I used to be. BUT know Ye all by these presents that I
DO read each digest (a quick look-through when I empty my e-mailbox in
the morning, and more thoroughly once I bring it back home) so
anything you wanna say to me -- go ahead and say it! Also, an e-mail
straight to me will (at least on a week-day) get a more immediate
reply (straight after work, before I go home, most likely).
Sorry, everybody 'bout these off-topic ramblings, but I wanna make
sure you don't think I've upped an' left, or sumpin'...
Anyway -- that thing in "Kvacket" #4/93, don't worry! It's a flat
statement to the effect that Barks visited the show in Atlanta, and
that there is information from you that Barks' "agent" has been in
contact with egmont about a visit to Scandinavia/Europe, while "other
/unnamed in the item/ sources" claims that the initiative comes from
Egmont.
In NK #24 there's nothing much that concerns you directly, although I
think (and as editor sincerly hope!) you would find it all fairly
interesting on a more general basis. Also, in the letter column,
there's a letter from a (rather young) NAFS(k) member, who says he
wants "to solve the question about the founding of Duckburg", and we
tell him that Barks doesn't give very much to go upon, but that you've
presented your version (this is the letter'n'answer that accompanies
your Cornelius-Coot-happily-looking-upon-Fort-Duckburg/"Ah even
Americanized the name a mite"-panel on page 32) in "Last Sled to
Dawson", "His Majesty McDuck" and "Lo$" with a short re-capitulation
of that version.
But, seriously, Don -- have you never considered LEARNING another
language or two? It's not all THAT difficult to learn a language, at
least enough to be able to follow a piece of written text with some
help from a dictionary, if not enough to speak it. Not that
Swedish/Scandinavian should/would be a first choice, or so, but never-
the-less -- why not? From your comics, if nothing else, it's quite
obvious that you have a feel for language and words...
Jes' an' idear -- please don't take notice or offense if found
offensive!
All my best, as always!
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!********************** "Oh, the world owes me a livin'" **********************!
!==============================================================================!
(when you do get this I hope you've had, to quote the old song,
the grandest time, and couldn't spend a dime, in Germany)
Yessiree, I'm still very much here, 'though a bit more on the QT these
days for reasons I explained a while back: my immediate superior, the
University head archivist, always knew about and never minded the time
I spent on the Internet -- he figgers his personnel are capable of
being responsible 'bout using work-time and -facilities for less than
productive purposes. Our division manager however, does not quite
share this view -- and this is of course her privilege; I'm NOT trying
to be snide, nor am I in any way mad about this -- so we've worked out
a kind of compromise, where I recieve the digests instead of the
continous postings, and then take these home to peruse and/or answer
on my own computer (which is not hooked up to the net -- I can't
afford that yet). In this way I minimize my use of work Internet
access for private purposes; but Alas! it also means I'm not as fast
on the reply as I used to be. BUT know Ye all by these presents that I
DO read each digest (a quick look-through when I empty my e-mailbox in
the morning, and more thoroughly once I bring it back home) so
anything you wanna say to me -- go ahead and say it! Also, an e-mail
straight to me will (at least on a week-day) get a more immediate
reply (straight after work, before I go home, most likely).
Sorry, everybody 'bout these off-topic ramblings, but I wanna make
sure you don't think I've upped an' left, or sumpin'...
Anyway -- that thing in "Kvacket" #4/93, don't worry! It's a flat
statement to the effect that Barks visited the show in Atlanta, and
that there is information from you that Barks' "agent" has been in
contact with egmont about a visit to Scandinavia/Europe, while "other
/unnamed in the item/ sources" claims that the initiative comes from
Egmont.
In NK #24 there's nothing much that concerns you directly, although I
think (and as editor sincerly hope!) you would find it all fairly
interesting on a more general basis. Also, in the letter column,
there's a letter from a (rather young) NAFS(k) member, who says he
wants "to solve the question about the founding of Duckburg", and we
tell him that Barks doesn't give very much to go upon, but that you've
presented your version (this is the letter'n'answer that accompanies
your Cornelius-Coot-happily-looking-upon-Fort-Duckburg/"Ah even
Americanized the name a mite"-panel on page 32) in "Last Sled to
Dawson", "His Majesty McDuck" and "Lo$" with a short re-capitulation
of that version.
But, seriously, Don -- have you never considered LEARNING another
language or two? It's not all THAT difficult to learn a language, at
least enough to be able to follow a piece of written text with some
help from a dictionary, if not enough to speak it. Not that
Swedish/Scandinavian should/would be a first choice, or so, but never-
the-less -- why not? From your comics, if nothing else, it's quite
obvious that you have a feel for language and words...
Jes' an' idear -- please don't take notice or offense if found
offensive!
All my best, as always!
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!********************** "Oh, the world owes me a livin'" **********************!
!==============================================================================!
Fredrik Ekman
DD's life in an eggshell
Message 5 -
1994-06-03 at 02:29:30
Knut Hanstad wrote, 27 May:
> For those who don't want to read anything more about my likings/dislikings
> of Rota I'll start with the relationship Grandma Duck-$. Having had the
> question up in a norwegian news list I have gotten several answers from
> other faithful norwegian DD-readers through several decades. None of them
> can remember anything other than the: "My life in an eggshell" suggesting
> that GD is $'s sister.
This is certainly one of the things that should go into the FAQ. It is
one of the discussions that seem to be coming back with some frequency.
I will try to sum up what conclusions have been drawn previously:
1) Grandma's first appearance (by Taliaferro) does not explicitly make
clear whos grandma she really is, Donald's or the newphews'.
2) Barks first uses her in the story "Donald's Grandma" (or something
like that). Even though the script is not written by Barks for this
comic, it is perfectly obvious what the relation is. HOWEVER, this is
only the case in English-speaking countries. In other countries the title
is likely to be something else. Also, this seems to be the ONLY reference
in a Barks comic.
3) Barks' family tree again makes it clear that she's Donald's grandma.
However, this was only known to fans ten years ago.
4) Perhaps the most important reference to the "sister" theory is "This
is your life, Donald Duck" from the 60's with art by Strobl. This seems
likely to be Rota's source.
5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
If you think about it; without Barks' (or Rosa's) family tree, there
isn't much to prove that she is not Scrooge's sister. In fact, many
artists, including Barks, draw her so young that she seems to be only
a few years older than Scrooge. Look, I'm not trying to say that I think
they are sister and brother, only that from Rota's point of view, it
wasn't very unlikely.
Fabio, you told us about an upcoming Italian family tree a while ago.
Do you have any news about that? What's the official Italian view on
this these days?
/F
> For those who don't want to read anything more about my likings/dislikings
> of Rota I'll start with the relationship Grandma Duck-$. Having had the
> question up in a norwegian news list I have gotten several answers from
> other faithful norwegian DD-readers through several decades. None of them
> can remember anything other than the: "My life in an eggshell" suggesting
> that GD is $'s sister.
This is certainly one of the things that should go into the FAQ. It is
one of the discussions that seem to be coming back with some frequency.
I will try to sum up what conclusions have been drawn previously:
1) Grandma's first appearance (by Taliaferro) does not explicitly make
clear whos grandma she really is, Donald's or the newphews'.
2) Barks first uses her in the story "Donald's Grandma" (or something
like that). Even though the script is not written by Barks for this
comic, it is perfectly obvious what the relation is. HOWEVER, this is
only the case in English-speaking countries. In other countries the title
is likely to be something else. Also, this seems to be the ONLY reference
in a Barks comic.
3) Barks' family tree again makes it clear that she's Donald's grandma.
However, this was only known to fans ten years ago.
4) Perhaps the most important reference to the "sister" theory is "This
is your life, Donald Duck" from the 60's with art by Strobl. This seems
likely to be Rota's source.
5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
If you think about it; without Barks' (or Rosa's) family tree, there
isn't much to prove that she is not Scrooge's sister. In fact, many
artists, including Barks, draw her so young that she seems to be only
a few years older than Scrooge. Look, I'm not trying to say that I think
they are sister and brother, only that from Rota's point of view, it
wasn't very unlikely.
Fabio, you told us about an upcoming Italian family tree a while ago.
Do you have any news about that? What's the official Italian view on
this these days?
/F
Harry Fluks
DD's life in an eggshell
Message 6 -
1994-06-03 at 10:43:14
Fredrik Ekman wrote, about Grandma's relation to Donald and Scrooge:
> I will try to sum up what conclusions have been drawn previously:
You forgot a (maybe too obvious?) reference:
6) In Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (in 12 chapters),
Grandma is Donald's grandmother, and has no relation to Scrooge at
all. Scrooge has two sisters, also born in Scotland, but Scrooge
never saw them again after chapter 11.
> 2) Barks first uses her in the story "Donald's Grandma" (or something
> like that).
[Just to be complete, in case this is included in the FAQ:]
"Donald's Grandma Duck", a 14-page story in Walt Disney's Vacation Parade #1,
1950. Reprinted in Gladstone's "Donald Duck" #257.
> 4) Perhaps the most important reference to the "sister" theory is "This
> is your life, Donald Duck" from the 60's with art by Strobl.
From Donald Duck Oneshot #1109, most recent USA reprint is in Gladstone's
DD Digest #4.
> 5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
> pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
Did someone mention this one before? There must be quite an explanation
in the story if Scrooge meets his sister for the first time. I met *my*
sister shortly after I was born.
> Fabio, you told us about an upcoming Italian family tree a while ago.
> Do you have any news about that? What's the official Italian view on
> this these days?
I have seen a "family tree" in a German comic ("DD Sonderheft"). It resembles
(but is not equal to) the tree that was on the back page of the Dutch
publication of Rota's "Egg shell" story. Of course, Grandma and Scrooge are
sister and brother there. Maybe this tree has its origin in Italy as well?
--Harry.
P.S. James, how's the FAQ going?
> I will try to sum up what conclusions have been drawn previously:
You forgot a (maybe too obvious?) reference:
6) In Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (in 12 chapters),
Grandma is Donald's grandmother, and has no relation to Scrooge at
all. Scrooge has two sisters, also born in Scotland, but Scrooge
never saw them again after chapter 11.
> 2) Barks first uses her in the story "Donald's Grandma" (or something
> like that).
[Just to be complete, in case this is included in the FAQ:]
"Donald's Grandma Duck", a 14-page story in Walt Disney's Vacation Parade #1,
1950. Reprinted in Gladstone's "Donald Duck" #257.
> 4) Perhaps the most important reference to the "sister" theory is "This
> is your life, Donald Duck" from the 60's with art by Strobl.
From Donald Duck Oneshot #1109, most recent USA reprint is in Gladstone's
DD Digest #4.
> 5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
> pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
Did someone mention this one before? There must be quite an explanation
in the story if Scrooge meets his sister for the first time. I met *my*
sister shortly after I was born.
> Fabio, you told us about an upcoming Italian family tree a while ago.
> Do you have any news about that? What's the official Italian view on
> this these days?
I have seen a "family tree" in a German comic ("DD Sonderheft"). It resembles
(but is not equal to) the tree that was on the back page of the Dutch
publication of Rota's "Egg shell" story. Of course, Grandma and Scrooge are
sister and brother there. Maybe this tree has its origin in Italy as well?
--Harry.
P.S. James, how's the FAQ going?
Harry Fluks
Don and Ole in Disney-comics digest #342.
Message 7 -
1994-06-03 at 11:01:59
Don:
> In case there isn't a new Digest to reply to before Monday, this
> may be my last message on here for a week or so. Since Barks wasn't able
> to stop me, I leave Monday (same day HE does) for a trip to Europe. I'll
> be in Germany until the following Monday.
I'm sorry I can't be there. I wanted to meet you, but I can't get to
Germany this week. Will you ever be visiting Holland?
I wrote:
> The Dutch once published an article with the covers of all kinds of foreign
> Disney magazines. The Scandinavian ones were all first issues or 'facsimiles'
> of first issues. On the Norwegian first issue, a text was written:
>
> "Congratulations on your world record. Carl Barks"
>
> Which world record was he referring to?
Ole:
> And which facsimile of a first issue had Barks' name on it?
I don't think it was a printed name on a comic, but just a photocopy of a
single issue where Barks had written the text.
Me again (about Disney comics Database):
> a program that can be called like "DIZNIREP W RT" and then will list all
> stories written and/or drawn by RT for editor Western, with all the USA
> reprints listed.
Ole:
> A command line based program with 8 letters in it's name,
> I like your program better and better:)
Are you sarcastic? My programs were (and are) developped on an MSDOS-PC. But
they are in C, and should be able to compile on a Unix-machine as well.
Ole about Matena's Vikings ("Grote Pyr"):
> So "The Iron Lady" is drawn 10 years later again?
Yes it's drawn more than 10 years later (I read somewhere else that the first
3 stories were originally from 1973-1974). I don't understand the word 'again'
in your question.
> Is it BTW political?
I have never read any of the Grote Pyr stories. But I don't think Thatcher
is involved...
> Lots of Carl Barks stories in Anders And & Co.
>
> * In Dark Africa ("Darkest Africa") - a 3 part serial. Has never been
> published before!
Please keep us informed whether this is the same (redrawn and/or censored)
version as published in the Carl Barks Library.
--Harry.
> In case there isn't a new Digest to reply to before Monday, this
> may be my last message on here for a week or so. Since Barks wasn't able
> to stop me, I leave Monday (same day HE does) for a trip to Europe. I'll
> be in Germany until the following Monday.
I'm sorry I can't be there. I wanted to meet you, but I can't get to
Germany this week. Will you ever be visiting Holland?
I wrote:
> The Dutch once published an article with the covers of all kinds of foreign
> Disney magazines. The Scandinavian ones were all first issues or 'facsimiles'
> of first issues. On the Norwegian first issue, a text was written:
>
> "Congratulations on your world record. Carl Barks"
>
> Which world record was he referring to?
Ole:
> And which facsimile of a first issue had Barks' name on it?
I don't think it was a printed name on a comic, but just a photocopy of a
single issue where Barks had written the text.
Me again (about Disney comics Database):
> a program that can be called like "DIZNIREP W RT" and then will list all
> stories written and/or drawn by RT for editor Western, with all the USA
> reprints listed.
Ole:
> A command line based program with 8 letters in it's name,
> I like your program better and better:)
Are you sarcastic? My programs were (and are) developped on an MSDOS-PC. But
they are in C, and should be able to compile on a Unix-machine as well.
Ole about Matena's Vikings ("Grote Pyr"):
> So "The Iron Lady" is drawn 10 years later again?
Yes it's drawn more than 10 years later (I read somewhere else that the first
3 stories were originally from 1973-1974). I don't understand the word 'again'
in your question.
> Is it BTW political?
I have never read any of the Grote Pyr stories. But I don't think Thatcher
is involved...
> Lots of Carl Barks stories in Anders And & Co.
>
> * In Dark Africa ("Darkest Africa") - a 3 part serial. Has never been
> published before!
Please keep us informed whether this is the same (redrawn and/or censored)
version as published in the Carl Barks Library.
--Harry.
James Williams
DD's life in an eggshell
Message 8 -
1994-06-03 at 18:46:05
Harry,
>Just to be complete, in case this is included in the FAQ.
I'd already planned to put this in the FAQ. Its one of the few things
which has come up multiple times on this list. While re-reading the
digests, I've been amazed at how little overlap there is. About the
only discussions which we have constantly are: Where is Duckburg, why
Donald is more popular than Mickey, how are the various ducks related,
and what species is Gyro. So the FAQ will endup including a lot of
useful material which isn't really asked often.
>P.S. James, how's the FAQ going?
I'm still re-reading all the digests and collecting material. I hope
to be done the re-reading next week. I'm hoping to have a draft ready
to go next month. I don't want to flood the list, so I'll be sending
it in chunks. My biggest complaint (which is also my biggest complain
about this list) is that 90% centers around the ducks.
James
>Just to be complete, in case this is included in the FAQ.
I'd already planned to put this in the FAQ. Its one of the few things
which has come up multiple times on this list. While re-reading the
digests, I've been amazed at how little overlap there is. About the
only discussions which we have constantly are: Where is Duckburg, why
Donald is more popular than Mickey, how are the various ducks related,
and what species is Gyro. So the FAQ will endup including a lot of
useful material which isn't really asked often.
>P.S. James, how's the FAQ going?
I'm still re-reading all the digests and collecting material. I hope
to be done the re-reading next week. I'm hoping to have a draft ready
to go next month. I don't want to flood the list, so I'll be sending
it in chunks. My biggest complaint (which is also my biggest complain
about this list) is that 90% centers around the ducks.
James
Harry Fluks
Dwight Decker's reply to: The man behind the Ducks
Message 9 -
1994-06-03 at 20:50:06
I wrote:
> Yesterday I bought German pocket book ("Lustiges Taschenbuch") #196. It
> contains a very odd story called "The man behind the Ducks". It stars
> Carl Barks, an artist who lives in Grant Pass, Oregon with his wife Gare'.
> Both have dog-noses, and Carl has no hearing aid.
And Dwight Decker replied (to me; quoted with permission):
> Oh yeah. That story's Italian: I have a photocopy of its appearance in
> Topolino (circa September 1992, I think). Joe Torcivia had a copy at
> last August's San Diego comics convention and was showing it to the
> Gladstone folks. Editor John Clark thought it was interesting but said
> he doubted if it would be published in America any time soon. Too in-jokish,
> for one thing. For another, he wasn't sure about it would be
> appropriate, as Gare Barks had just died. After Carl is no longer with us,
> perhaps then they would consider it. The story also showed Gare with two
> arms, but hey, if you can't improve on real life in a Disney comic, where
> can you?
I wouldn't like the story to be reprinted by Gladstone. It's not that good
at all, and I think it would get a lot of negative reactions from die-hard
Barks fans. Besides, the mentioning of an exhibition in Venice wouldn't
make any sense.
(But maybe I'm too negative about Italian stories in general?)
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> Yesterday I bought German pocket book ("Lustiges Taschenbuch") #196. It
> contains a very odd story called "The man behind the Ducks". It stars
> Carl Barks, an artist who lives in Grant Pass, Oregon with his wife Gare'.
> Both have dog-noses, and Carl has no hearing aid.
And Dwight Decker replied (to me; quoted with permission):
> Oh yeah. That story's Italian: I have a photocopy of its appearance in
> Topolino (circa September 1992, I think). Joe Torcivia had a copy at
> last August's San Diego comics convention and was showing it to the
> Gladstone folks. Editor John Clark thought it was interesting but said
> he doubted if it would be published in America any time soon. Too in-jokish,
> for one thing. For another, he wasn't sure about it would be
> appropriate, as Gare Barks had just died. After Carl is no longer with us,
> perhaps then they would consider it. The story also showed Gare with two
> arms, but hey, if you can't improve on real life in a Disney comic, where
> can you?
I wouldn't like the story to be reprinted by Gladstone. It's not that good
at all, and I think it would get a lot of negative reactions from die-hard
Barks fans. Besides, the mentioning of an exhibition in Venice wouldn't
make any sense.
(But maybe I'm too negative about Italian stories in general?)
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Larry Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #338.
Message 10 -
1994-06-04 at 01:11:54
Dear Folks,
>> May 11, 1994 David: Updated info on covers, several corrections
>> (especially reversal of cover data for WiC 6 and WiC
>> 7), and new criteria for titled vs. untitled covers.
Despite my dad's name at the top of this letter, this is David
Gerstein reporting for duty! First up I have to (Groan!) REFUTE some of my
own statements quoted above! I visited a comic shop last week -- the first
one I've been to in a long time which had WiC double-albums. And there I
discovered to my chagrin that the don-rosa.index was correct as it had been
*before* I tampered with it!!! Yep, WiC 6 has Donald and Mickey in what
Don calls a "stupid-looking pose" (I don't think it's all that bad... ;-)
and then WiC 7 has the ducks marching off with the world map. I was going
by an old comic preview catalog I had, which showed that picture of DD and
MM as being associated with WiC 7! So you can wash out my mouth with
proverbial soap, folks, and switch those two entries back the way they
were.
I'll have more comments when I've read more of the digests!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
>> May 11, 1994 David: Updated info on covers, several corrections
>> (especially reversal of cover data for WiC 6 and WiC
>> 7), and new criteria for titled vs. untitled covers.
Despite my dad's name at the top of this letter, this is David
Gerstein reporting for duty! First up I have to (Groan!) REFUTE some of my
own statements quoted above! I visited a comic shop last week -- the first
one I've been to in a long time which had WiC double-albums. And there I
discovered to my chagrin that the don-rosa.index was correct as it had been
*before* I tampered with it!!! Yep, WiC 6 has Donald and Mickey in what
Don calls a "stupid-looking pose" (I don't think it's all that bad... ;-)
and then WiC 7 has the ducks marching off with the world map. I was going
by an old comic preview catalog I had, which showed that picture of DD and
MM as being associated with WiC 7! So you can wash out my mouth with
proverbial soap, folks, and switch those two entries back the way they
were.
I'll have more comments when I've read more of the digests!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
Larry Gerstein
A buncha things!
Message 11 -
1994-06-04 at 02:06:41
Hi, Folks!
Glad to be back in touch with all of you. I'll sling out some
comments about this month's Gladstones, having bought them now:
(YE SPOILERS LURK AHEAD!)
DDA 27. I like the art and lettering, although I think that the
villainess seemed a little awkwardly drawn in some panels. On the other
hand, as a born critic I must say that the writing had some flaws. It
lacked the usual tongue-in-cheek Duck flavor in many cases. Then some
aspects of the plot were a little weird. The nephews began searching for
"suspects" after only ONE mysterious accident, the rockslide, had occurred.
Seemed a little early to me... I would have had two or three accidents
happen before the nephews did this. Then, why in the world was the
villainess disguising cacti as Indians? The disguises didn't make them
look any more like human beings than they do in their natural state. I
think she could have smuggled the cacti just as easily without the
disguises. Who did she think she was fooling?
The color was excellent, some of the finest I have ever seen from
Gladstone. It was magnificent.
John Clark has told me that Fernandez and Block have done a Duck
Christmas story for use this winter. I'll be interested to get it.
WDC&S 592. "The Cluck of the Draw": VERY NICE to see Van Horn use
Gladstone Gander (for the first time in a story he did the writing on).
Donald wasn't treated as harshly as Van Horn sometimes does. The only
problem with this story, I found, is that Donald stories involving a raffle
are too predictable. Either the story ends with Donald losing one more
time, or else with him winning nothing worth having. Now we've had Barks,
Rosa, Vicar, and Van Horn stories about this theme. Before Daniel Branca
lifts his pen, I'll put in a vote for no more raffle stories.
"Hoppy the Kangaroo": The color was excellent... really gives
added strength to the story. As a tremendous Gottfredson fan, I find the
ending of the story a bit of a cop-out -- I see where it gave Hoppy another
chance to triumph, but the story just ends very abruptly. No indication of
what happened to Hoppy afterward. "Bobo the Elephant," another story with
an animal in it from roughly the same time, has a much more solid ending, I
think.
US 287. Don, I LOVED this! A mixture of interesting details and
broad comedy that had me just roaring with laughter. You have claimed it
was useless to have Scrooge meet someone with square eggs other than Rhutt
Betler himself, but it added delicious spice to the story, I felt. Just
one problem which perhaps a dialogue change could alter: it implied that
this fellow knew that the CHICKENS were square, too. Remember that in
"Lost in the Andes," when DD and HDL found the chickens, this was the first
time that anyone in Plain Awful had actually seen them. Rhutt Betler had
always TOLD the Awfultonians that it was chickens who laid the eggs, but no
one had seen the birds or knew that they were square like the eggs.
Perhaps you would like to delete the egg-buyer's comment that the chickens
are square? Thus that angle is left to Scrooge's imagination alone, which
might make it even funnier.
I don't like to critique Gladstone's production staff;
particularly when they did such a fine job with color separation and color
in general here. But I feel that the retouched gunplay on the second and
third scenes was obvious. On the last panel of the second page, Scrooge's
beak was retraced after the gun was bent away; but for some reason, it was
drawn at 1949 length, rather than the 1954 length you use, Don. Scrooge
briefly looked like a different duck as a result. Then, in the first and
second (I think) panels of the third page, the villains' hands had the guns
removed. But they didn't redraw the whole hands. It seemed that they just
whited out the parts of the guns that weren't overlapping the villains'
hands, then colored the leftover combination of gun/hand-fragments pink.
If Disney still holds out, when it comes time to make the album version,
that no gun be pointed at Scrooge, perhaps the hands (and that one beak)
can be made a little neater.
Upcoming Gladstones
===================
According to Diamond Previews we'll see the following Gladstone
comics in August:
A) DD 287: Barks' "Chickadee Challenge" (WDC 180-something, the
bridge-building story with Junior Woodchucks) and then AT strips.
B) DM 26: Paul Murry's "Crown of Tasbah" (from PHANTOM BLOT 5)
takes up the whole book with a VERY good Van Horn cover. This is my
favorite Murry Blot story -- better than the others in that series.
"Tasbah" is a 32-page story -- my guess is that the story will be chopped
up slightly. I don't mind that, because pacing is the way I think it can
be improved.
C) USA 29: Part two of Scarpa's "Man from Oola-Oola," with a Rosa
cover. (This is the conclusion of that story.)
Boy, our mailing list hasn't had much to talk about lately! With
Donald's 60th Birthday coming up, too! (And in 2 weeks we get the American
60th Birthday special edition...) It's a shame we can't have "The Wise
Little Hen" over here for DD's birthday, but that's because it was just
reprinted in 1992. Oh, well...
I'll be back in touch soon!
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
Glad to be back in touch with all of you. I'll sling out some
comments about this month's Gladstones, having bought them now:
(YE SPOILERS LURK AHEAD!)
DDA 27. I like the art and lettering, although I think that the
villainess seemed a little awkwardly drawn in some panels. On the other
hand, as a born critic I must say that the writing had some flaws. It
lacked the usual tongue-in-cheek Duck flavor in many cases. Then some
aspects of the plot were a little weird. The nephews began searching for
"suspects" after only ONE mysterious accident, the rockslide, had occurred.
Seemed a little early to me... I would have had two or three accidents
happen before the nephews did this. Then, why in the world was the
villainess disguising cacti as Indians? The disguises didn't make them
look any more like human beings than they do in their natural state. I
think she could have smuggled the cacti just as easily without the
disguises. Who did she think she was fooling?
The color was excellent, some of the finest I have ever seen from
Gladstone. It was magnificent.
John Clark has told me that Fernandez and Block have done a Duck
Christmas story for use this winter. I'll be interested to get it.
WDC&S 592. "The Cluck of the Draw": VERY NICE to see Van Horn use
Gladstone Gander (for the first time in a story he did the writing on).
Donald wasn't treated as harshly as Van Horn sometimes does. The only
problem with this story, I found, is that Donald stories involving a raffle
are too predictable. Either the story ends with Donald losing one more
time, or else with him winning nothing worth having. Now we've had Barks,
Rosa, Vicar, and Van Horn stories about this theme. Before Daniel Branca
lifts his pen, I'll put in a vote for no more raffle stories.
"Hoppy the Kangaroo": The color was excellent... really gives
added strength to the story. As a tremendous Gottfredson fan, I find the
ending of the story a bit of a cop-out -- I see where it gave Hoppy another
chance to triumph, but the story just ends very abruptly. No indication of
what happened to Hoppy afterward. "Bobo the Elephant," another story with
an animal in it from roughly the same time, has a much more solid ending, I
think.
US 287. Don, I LOVED this! A mixture of interesting details and
broad comedy that had me just roaring with laughter. You have claimed it
was useless to have Scrooge meet someone with square eggs other than Rhutt
Betler himself, but it added delicious spice to the story, I felt. Just
one problem which perhaps a dialogue change could alter: it implied that
this fellow knew that the CHICKENS were square, too. Remember that in
"Lost in the Andes," when DD and HDL found the chickens, this was the first
time that anyone in Plain Awful had actually seen them. Rhutt Betler had
always TOLD the Awfultonians that it was chickens who laid the eggs, but no
one had seen the birds or knew that they were square like the eggs.
Perhaps you would like to delete the egg-buyer's comment that the chickens
are square? Thus that angle is left to Scrooge's imagination alone, which
might make it even funnier.
I don't like to critique Gladstone's production staff;
particularly when they did such a fine job with color separation and color
in general here. But I feel that the retouched gunplay on the second and
third scenes was obvious. On the last panel of the second page, Scrooge's
beak was retraced after the gun was bent away; but for some reason, it was
drawn at 1949 length, rather than the 1954 length you use, Don. Scrooge
briefly looked like a different duck as a result. Then, in the first and
second (I think) panels of the third page, the villains' hands had the guns
removed. But they didn't redraw the whole hands. It seemed that they just
whited out the parts of the guns that weren't overlapping the villains'
hands, then colored the leftover combination of gun/hand-fragments pink.
If Disney still holds out, when it comes time to make the album version,
that no gun be pointed at Scrooge, perhaps the hands (and that one beak)
can be made a little neater.
Upcoming Gladstones
===================
According to Diamond Previews we'll see the following Gladstone
comics in August:
A) DD 287: Barks' "Chickadee Challenge" (WDC 180-something, the
bridge-building story with Junior Woodchucks) and then AT strips.
B) DM 26: Paul Murry's "Crown of Tasbah" (from PHANTOM BLOT 5)
takes up the whole book with a VERY good Van Horn cover. This is my
favorite Murry Blot story -- better than the others in that series.
"Tasbah" is a 32-page story -- my guess is that the story will be chopped
up slightly. I don't mind that, because pacing is the way I think it can
be improved.
C) USA 29: Part two of Scarpa's "Man from Oola-Oola," with a Rosa
cover. (This is the conclusion of that story.)
Boy, our mailing list hasn't had much to talk about lately! With
Donald's 60th Birthday coming up, too! (And in 2 weeks we get the American
60th Birthday special edition...) It's a shame we can't have "The Wise
Little Hen" over here for DD's birthday, but that's because it was just
reprinted in 1992. Oh, well...
I'll be back in touch soon!
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
Ronald A. Evry
Disney-comics digest #346.
Message 12 -
1994-06-04 at 06:56:26
I probably shouldn't be sending this here, but I'm not sure how
these things work in the net...
My system has changed its address - it is no longer
tjhsst.vak12ed.edu....
My NEW address is now
revry at pen.k12.va.us
Please change this if possible...after June 30, mail addressed
to tjhsst won't reach me...it is being relayed now but that
address is vanishing forever soon....
Keeping things relevant -- I recently picked up a reprint of
the story where Scrooge and some other rich guy keep buying
bigger and bigger statues for Duckburg...God, I was in
STITCHES...!
Yeah, Barks' characterization, adventurous plots and clever use
of detail were important, but when he did a FUNNY story, he did
a FUNNY story!
But I'm not telling anybody anything they don't already know,
right?
Ron
PS- Fabio!!! Did you ever get the Barks Collectors I sent so
long ago?
Please let me know....
these things work in the net...
My system has changed its address - it is no longer
tjhsst.vak12ed.edu....
My NEW address is now
revry at pen.k12.va.us
Please change this if possible...after June 30, mail addressed
to tjhsst won't reach me...it is being relayed now but that
address is vanishing forever soon....
Keeping things relevant -- I recently picked up a reprint of
the story where Scrooge and some other rich guy keep buying
bigger and bigger statues for Duckburg...God, I was in
STITCHES...!
Yeah, Barks' characterization, adventurous plots and clever use
of detail were important, but when he did a FUNNY story, he did
a FUNNY story!
But I'm not telling anybody anything they don't already know,
right?
Ron
PS- Fabio!!! Did you ever get the Barks Collectors I sent so
long ago?
Please let me know....
Fredrik Ekman
Grandma revisited
Message 13 -
1994-06-05 at 21:24:13
Harry wrote:
>You forgot a (maybe too obvious?) reference:
>
>6) In Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck...
No, I didn't forget. But as usual I wasn't clear enough on my
intentions. I just tried to list what was (theoretically) available
to Rota when he wrote Life in an Eggshell. By the way, I happened to
miss that part of LoS and won't read it until I get the Gladstone
edition. (Still, I knew about it, of course.)
>> 5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
>> pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
>
>Did someone mention this one before? There must be quite an explanation
>in the story if Scrooge meets his sister for the first time. I met *my*
>sister shortly after I was born.
Oh yeah? I didn't meet my sister until age three. ;-) But anyway, my
memory of the story is too vague to answer that clearly. I think there
is some kind of explanation that she grew up in America and he in
Scotland either in that story or in any of the "past life of DD" stories
but as usual my memory fails me and anyway I'm pretty sure there was no
explanation as to WHY they grew up on different continents. I'll try to
find out more (as well as a code for the story) during the summer. No
promises, though.
/F
>You forgot a (maybe too obvious?) reference:
>
>6) In Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck...
No, I didn't forget. But as usual I wasn't clear enough on my
intentions. I just tried to list what was (theoretically) available
to Rota when he wrote Life in an Eggshell. By the way, I happened to
miss that part of LoS and won't read it until I get the Gladstone
edition. (Still, I knew about it, of course.)
>> 5) There is an Italian comic that translates to "The beheaded totem
>> pole" where Scrooge meets his "sister" for the first time.
>
>Did someone mention this one before? There must be quite an explanation
>in the story if Scrooge meets his sister for the first time. I met *my*
>sister shortly after I was born.
Oh yeah? I didn't meet my sister until age three. ;-) But anyway, my
memory of the story is too vague to answer that clearly. I think there
is some kind of explanation that she grew up in America and he in
Scotland either in that story or in any of the "past life of DD" stories
but as usual my memory fails me and anyway I'm pretty sure there was no
explanation as to WHY they grew up on different continents. I'll try to
find out more (as well as a code for the story) during the summer. No
promises, though.
/F
Fredrik Ekman
Fantask
Message 14 -
1994-06-05 at 21:34:49
Hi again!
I spent the past weekend in Copenhagen and just happened to stumble
into one of the Fantask stores. I would like to recommend anyone who
lives in or near Copenhagen to go there and get a copy of their latest
free product catalogue (Fantask Avis No. 10). It contains a twelve-
page Carl Barks special with several interesting articles and a rather
difficult Barks quiz. Also, there are tributes to Barks in the form of
drawings from, among others, Vicar, Rota, Branca, Tello-team, Milton
and several supposedly well-known Danish non-Disney artists. I assume
that the originals for these will be presented to Barks upon arrival
in Copenhagen.
As an afterthought, the catalogue is probably available for free from
them within Denmark (and possibly the rest of Scandinavia) by writing
to them. Unfortunately, I don't have the address here now, although I
could possibly find out.
(How many Danish members do we have, by the way? I hope I'm not
writing this for Ole all by himself.)
/F
I spent the past weekend in Copenhagen and just happened to stumble
into one of the Fantask stores. I would like to recommend anyone who
lives in or near Copenhagen to go there and get a copy of their latest
free product catalogue (Fantask Avis No. 10). It contains a twelve-
page Carl Barks special with several interesting articles and a rather
difficult Barks quiz. Also, there are tributes to Barks in the form of
drawings from, among others, Vicar, Rota, Branca, Tello-team, Milton
and several supposedly well-known Danish non-Disney artists. I assume
that the originals for these will be presented to Barks upon arrival
in Copenhagen.
As an afterthought, the catalogue is probably available for free from
them within Denmark (and possibly the rest of Scandinavia) by writing
to them. Unfortunately, I don't have the address here now, although I
could possibly find out.
(How many Danish members do we have, by the way? I hope I'm not
writing this for Ole all by himself.)
/F
Per Starback
Yet another batch of various short replies
Message 15 -
1994-06-06 at 00:54:30
Ole> * In Dark Africa ("Darkest Africa") - a 3 part serial. Has never been
Ole> published before!
Harry> Please keep us informed whether this is the same (redrawn
Harry> and/or censored) version as published in the Carl Barks Library.
It's the redrawn version. I haven't seen it, but I conclude this as
(Swedish translator) Stefan Dios phoned me earlier to ask me if I knew
the the name of the Dutch who isn't Jippes. I think he was writing
some introduction to the story or something like that. (Thanks to you
Harry, I knew it was Dick Vlottes.)
James> My biggest complaint (which is also my biggest complain
James> about this list) is that 90% centers around the ducks.
Yes, you are right. That is absolutely too much talk about mice and
other uninteresting stuff. It should be 99% ducks at least! :-)
Dwight> The story also showed Gare with two arms, but hey, if you
Dwight> can't improve on real life in a Disney comic, where can you?
Huh? Gare had only one arm? I wonder how I've been able to miss that?!
I've seen several photographs of her after all...
David> And there I discovered to my chagrin that the don-rosa.index
David> was correct as it had been *before* I tampered with it!!!
Oops! OK, I've changed that back again now. Better not trust
anything but the books themselves in the future...
David again> Boy, our mailing list hasn't had much to talk about
David again> lately! With Donald's 60th Birthday coming up, too!
It's summer, and lots of people have gone away... Over here Barks's
visit is big stuff. He should be in Norway right now. Anyone reading
this who can confirm that he actually is there?
Ronald> I probably shouldn't be sending this here, but I'm not sure how
Ronald> these things work in the net...
The standard address to try when you don't remember how a specific
mailing list works is to add "-request" to the end of the name of the
list, so "disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se" is the address to
send such requests to. (I've taken care of your address change now,
though.)
Ronald> Keeping things relevant -- I recently picked up a reprint of
Ronald> the story where Scrooge and some other rich guy keep buying
Ronald> bigger and bigger statues for Duckburg...God, I was in
Ronald> STITCHES...!
That seems to be a favourite with many fans. At least it won the
10-page category in Ken Bausert's Barks survey some ten years ago.
(Probably the most ambitious favourite story poll to date.) At the
latest NAFS(k) meeting in Sweden, a small informal poll was conducted
where it finished third (in that category) behind WDC 99 (quiz show)
and WDC 156 (master rainmaker).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Ole> published before!
Harry> Please keep us informed whether this is the same (redrawn
Harry> and/or censored) version as published in the Carl Barks Library.
It's the redrawn version. I haven't seen it, but I conclude this as
(Swedish translator) Stefan Dios phoned me earlier to ask me if I knew
the the name of the Dutch who isn't Jippes. I think he was writing
some introduction to the story or something like that. (Thanks to you
Harry, I knew it was Dick Vlottes.)
James> My biggest complaint (which is also my biggest complain
James> about this list) is that 90% centers around the ducks.
Yes, you are right. That is absolutely too much talk about mice and
other uninteresting stuff. It should be 99% ducks at least! :-)
Dwight> The story also showed Gare with two arms, but hey, if you
Dwight> can't improve on real life in a Disney comic, where can you?
Huh? Gare had only one arm? I wonder how I've been able to miss that?!
I've seen several photographs of her after all...
David> And there I discovered to my chagrin that the don-rosa.index
David> was correct as it had been *before* I tampered with it!!!
Oops! OK, I've changed that back again now. Better not trust
anything but the books themselves in the future...
David again> Boy, our mailing list hasn't had much to talk about
David again> lately! With Donald's 60th Birthday coming up, too!
It's summer, and lots of people have gone away... Over here Barks's
visit is big stuff. He should be in Norway right now. Anyone reading
this who can confirm that he actually is there?
Ronald> I probably shouldn't be sending this here, but I'm not sure how
Ronald> these things work in the net...
The standard address to try when you don't remember how a specific
mailing list works is to add "-request" to the end of the name of the
list, so "disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se" is the address to
send such requests to. (I've taken care of your address change now,
though.)
Ronald> Keeping things relevant -- I recently picked up a reprint of
Ronald> the story where Scrooge and some other rich guy keep buying
Ronald> bigger and bigger statues for Duckburg...God, I was in
Ronald> STITCHES...!
That seems to be a favourite with many fans. At least it won the
10-page category in Ken Bausert's Barks survey some ten years ago.
(Probably the most ambitious favourite story poll to date.) At the
latest NAFS(k) meeting in Sweden, a small informal poll was conducted
where it finished third (in that category) behind WDC 99 (quiz show)
and WDC 156 (master rainmaker).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"