Greg wrote:
> Too much thinking going on here. Don writes stories set in 1954;
> Barks writes a story in 1994 (which may or may not be set explicitly in 1994).
> So what if they portray Scrooge at the same age? Superman has been
> 29 for more than 50 years....
Well, actually I don't care when $crooge is exactly born or how old
he exactly is. Don Rosa has very clear opinion about his age and I wanted
to know if the year 1967 is actually mentioned in some Barks' story.
I just find it weird that Barks' managers have started counting
$crooge's age in Lo$ because it is based on Barks' own series. So if
they see something wrong in Lo$'s timeline they should blame Barks
and not turn this whole thing to 'anti-Rosa campaign'.
Don wrote:
> These are not comments from Grandey that I can object to.
I didn't exactly mean that you should object to these comments
in COURT or something. I just see a BIG difference between some
'private' FAX-message against you and this story in big magazine.
I posted the FAX-number of the magazine bacause I thought that
maybe someone wants to clear things up or just put little
friendly FLAME to the editors just to show that you can't
screw with us. =)
/Mikko
Author
Topic: 199406
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Mikko Aittola
Disney-comics digest #369.
Message 106 -
1994-06-28 at 16:03:22
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #369.
Message 107 -
1994-06-29 at 06:48:32
MIKKO:
Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying that you don't see why
I should be upset by the contents of a "private" FAX and not upset by
the contents of an article in a major magazine? Why, there's an enormous
difference when you consider the contents of both, and WHO the Fax was
sent to with what intended purpose. As I tried to make clear, opinions
expressed about my work in a magazine, no matter HOW large its
circulation, are not my concern. How can I object... even if the
opinions contain misinterpretation or even Grandey-lies about the
contents of my stories? As I said, he's f*rting in the wind... he can't
hurt me. But his FAX was sent to my employers, contained the most
outrageous imagineable lies about my character and about my behavior at
a particular event which related to my job, and dared to go so far as to
accuse me of an actual CRIME... the whole intention being to damage me
in the eyes of my employers. This is the WORST thing you can do to
someone with the written-word... in particular, accusing someone of a
crime is absolutely indefensible in a libel suit.
HARRY:
Gladstone DID contact me to say that Disney insisted they remove
the guns pointed in $crooge's face. They said they'd twist the guns to
point at the ceiling... this seemed trivial, but I figured they could
handle it themselves, even if it meant redrawing that one beak. But... I
guess I was wrong, eh?
I, myself, just asked them to redraw two views of Hortense in
Lo$ part V; I'd started drawing her with a DD type beak, then in
subsequent episodes went to giving her a cuter, smaller beak. We'll see
how they do.......
MATTIAS:
THE NAME OF THE ROSE being the same as GotLL in the sense of
someone keeping ancient knowledge secret? That must be why a reporter in
Germany was asking me if I got the idea from that story from that book.
I've never read the book, but I saw and greatly liked the movie -- yet
the idea I came away from the movie with was not one of the monks trying
to withhold their entire library, but only that ONE BOOK (what was it?
Aristotle's book about humor or something?) Either I misinterpreted the
movie or they altered the plot for the film. Anyway, even though NAME OF
THE ROSE passed through my mind a few times while I was doing GotLL, it
never occurred to me that I was imitating it. I HAVE done a few stories
imitating certain movies and freely admit it -- but this wasn't one of
those times.
Thanks for your suggestions on how to change part 12 of the Lo$.
It might be tricky to change DD's attitude at the end since that would
screw up the closing irony of what $crooge's money really means to him
and what it would mean to someone who was truly simply greedy with no
self-respect or soul or decency... in other words, Grandey. I like that
idea of DD thinking one thing while we, the readers, see what's on U$'s
mind is quite different -- it would lose the irony if DD KNEW what he
was thinking. But... these are the sorts of decisions that writers are
always facing in writing such tales.
Yes, I failed to answer your question about how could DD be
older in 1930 than HD&L are in 1947. I knew this was going against my
previous ideas on that subject when I wrote that chapter 12, but didn't
worry about it too much since those birth years in my notes have never
actually been printed anywhere. All I knew was I loved the scene of a
young DD kicking U$ in the fanny. However, it had to be a very young DD
in order for the act to seem more mischievous than mean. You'll agree
that if HD&L kicked U$'s butt it would seem very nasty since they are
about 10 or 12 or so. So I was thinking my 1930 DD was about 7 or 8. I
never tried to mentally readjust my Duck birth dates... let's see: say
DD and his sister were born in 1923. Then let's say HD&L were born in
1938? No, that would mean Della was only 15 when she had them. And
chapter 12 can take place no later than 1930 since it's after the stock
merket crash. Hey... whatcha know... I've screwed myself, eh? Any
suggestions? I think my only solution is to eliminate the comment that
DD was "even younger" than HDL when he last saw U$.
And obviously there's no sense in trying to find logic or
accuracy in Grandey's accusations that my Lo$ is not authentic. He's
simply going to say anything he can to make me look bad and hope that
the listeners are ignorant and will believe him -- but, as I keep
saying, he's f*rting in the wind. No one will listen, especially when
they know that my Lo$ is painfully accurate to Barks' work. However, I
am slipping into my next "Making of the L and T of $.McD" text the fact
that Barks sent me his approval of my entire lay-out for the Lo$, as
well as his comments of parts 1-8 (at least) being satisfactory (at
least according to the letters he sent me and which I have right here).
I'll mention it very gently, but this will show Grandey what I think of
him and his campaign of lies (as if he won't already have an idea from
my lawyers).
Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying that you don't see why
I should be upset by the contents of a "private" FAX and not upset by
the contents of an article in a major magazine? Why, there's an enormous
difference when you consider the contents of both, and WHO the Fax was
sent to with what intended purpose. As I tried to make clear, opinions
expressed about my work in a magazine, no matter HOW large its
circulation, are not my concern. How can I object... even if the
opinions contain misinterpretation or even Grandey-lies about the
contents of my stories? As I said, he's f*rting in the wind... he can't
hurt me. But his FAX was sent to my employers, contained the most
outrageous imagineable lies about my character and about my behavior at
a particular event which related to my job, and dared to go so far as to
accuse me of an actual CRIME... the whole intention being to damage me
in the eyes of my employers. This is the WORST thing you can do to
someone with the written-word... in particular, accusing someone of a
crime is absolutely indefensible in a libel suit.
HARRY:
Gladstone DID contact me to say that Disney insisted they remove
the guns pointed in $crooge's face. They said they'd twist the guns to
point at the ceiling... this seemed trivial, but I figured they could
handle it themselves, even if it meant redrawing that one beak. But... I
guess I was wrong, eh?
I, myself, just asked them to redraw two views of Hortense in
Lo$ part V; I'd started drawing her with a DD type beak, then in
subsequent episodes went to giving her a cuter, smaller beak. We'll see
how they do.......
MATTIAS:
THE NAME OF THE ROSE being the same as GotLL in the sense of
someone keeping ancient knowledge secret? That must be why a reporter in
Germany was asking me if I got the idea from that story from that book.
I've never read the book, but I saw and greatly liked the movie -- yet
the idea I came away from the movie with was not one of the monks trying
to withhold their entire library, but only that ONE BOOK (what was it?
Aristotle's book about humor or something?) Either I misinterpreted the
movie or they altered the plot for the film. Anyway, even though NAME OF
THE ROSE passed through my mind a few times while I was doing GotLL, it
never occurred to me that I was imitating it. I HAVE done a few stories
imitating certain movies and freely admit it -- but this wasn't one of
those times.
Thanks for your suggestions on how to change part 12 of the Lo$.
It might be tricky to change DD's attitude at the end since that would
screw up the closing irony of what $crooge's money really means to him
and what it would mean to someone who was truly simply greedy with no
self-respect or soul or decency... in other words, Grandey. I like that
idea of DD thinking one thing while we, the readers, see what's on U$'s
mind is quite different -- it would lose the irony if DD KNEW what he
was thinking. But... these are the sorts of decisions that writers are
always facing in writing such tales.
Yes, I failed to answer your question about how could DD be
older in 1930 than HD&L are in 1947. I knew this was going against my
previous ideas on that subject when I wrote that chapter 12, but didn't
worry about it too much since those birth years in my notes have never
actually been printed anywhere. All I knew was I loved the scene of a
young DD kicking U$ in the fanny. However, it had to be a very young DD
in order for the act to seem more mischievous than mean. You'll agree
that if HD&L kicked U$'s butt it would seem very nasty since they are
about 10 or 12 or so. So I was thinking my 1930 DD was about 7 or 8. I
never tried to mentally readjust my Duck birth dates... let's see: say
DD and his sister were born in 1923. Then let's say HD&L were born in
1938? No, that would mean Della was only 15 when she had them. And
chapter 12 can take place no later than 1930 since it's after the stock
merket crash. Hey... whatcha know... I've screwed myself, eh? Any
suggestions? I think my only solution is to eliminate the comment that
DD was "even younger" than HDL when he last saw U$.
And obviously there's no sense in trying to find logic or
accuracy in Grandey's accusations that my Lo$ is not authentic. He's
simply going to say anything he can to make me look bad and hope that
the listeners are ignorant and will believe him -- but, as I keep
saying, he's f*rting in the wind. No one will listen, especially when
they know that my Lo$ is painfully accurate to Barks' work. However, I
am slipping into my next "Making of the L and T of $.McD" text the fact
that Barks sent me his approval of my entire lay-out for the Lo$, as
well as his comments of parts 1-8 (at least) being satisfactory (at
least according to the letters he sent me and which I have right here).
I'll mention it very gently, but this will show Grandey what I think of
him and his campaign of lies (as if he won't already have an idea from
my lawyers).
Wilmer Rivers
Birth dates of ducks and people
Message 108 -
1994-06-29 at 07:17:00
As long as we're calculating birth dates for DD and HD&L to make
LO$ # 12 be internally consistent, let's not skip another birth
date : Keno Don Rosa, born June 29. So happy birthday, dadburn
it! [That's a private joke for those who have seen Grandey's
latest ad in CBG, panning LO$ # 3.]
Wilmer Rivers
LO$ # 12 be internally consistent, let's not skip another birth
date : Keno Don Rosa, born June 29. So happy birthday, dadburn
it! [That's a private joke for those who have seen Grandey's
latest ad in CBG, panning LO$ # 3.]
Wilmer Rivers
Harry Fluks
Some old questions... (Mathmagicland and Moby Duck)
Message 109 -
1994-06-29 at 10:28:25
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 From: Gilbert Roser
>
> In DDA 26 on page 20 panel 2 of "Donald in Mathmagicland" Donald
> gets wild about an Icecream Soda. I think that this panel was
> redrawn because I have an copy of this story where he gets wild
> about a Miss and the shadow below the Soda is to small for the
> Soda and fits perfectly with the Miss. Am I right?
In the Dutch version, the Miss (a Beauty queen, labeled Miss Pancake)
is shown, with her measurements (90 - 60 - 90). There is no reason
to believe this is not the original, so Gladstone must have censored it.
> I can't understand that they are censoring such things because
> IMHO it wasn't harming anything.
Feminists could be offended because a woman is shown like a piece of
cattle...
And here's another unanswered question:
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 From: Knut Hunstad
>
> I have a few questions about Moby Duck I hope someone out there can answer
> (couldn't find them by ftp to ftp.lysator.lie.se, if it's there could
> someone please tell me where?):
We have no information about him on ftp (not even on ftp.lysator.liu.se 8-),
except his name in a few languages.
> 1. Who invented him and when?
According to Overstreet's Price Guide, the first story with Moby Duck was
published in (Gold Key's) Donald Duck #112. Crone lists a Strobl story in
this comic.
Moby had his own comic from 1967 through 1978 (#1 - #30).
But can we trust Overstreet?
> 3. Is he related to any of the other Ducks?
He is, according to the family tree (of German origin?) I have, a distant
cousin of Donald.
--Harry.
P.S. Happy birthday, Don! Or like they sing in France:
"Le p'tit beurre, des touilloux"
>
> In DDA 26 on page 20 panel 2 of "Donald in Mathmagicland" Donald
> gets wild about an Icecream Soda. I think that this panel was
> redrawn because I have an copy of this story where he gets wild
> about a Miss and the shadow below the Soda is to small for the
> Soda and fits perfectly with the Miss. Am I right?
In the Dutch version, the Miss (a Beauty queen, labeled Miss Pancake)
is shown, with her measurements (90 - 60 - 90). There is no reason
to believe this is not the original, so Gladstone must have censored it.
> I can't understand that they are censoring such things because
> IMHO it wasn't harming anything.
Feminists could be offended because a woman is shown like a piece of
cattle...
And here's another unanswered question:
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 From: Knut Hunstad
>
> I have a few questions about Moby Duck I hope someone out there can answer
> (couldn't find them by ftp to ftp.lysator.lie.se, if it's there could
> someone please tell me where?):
We have no information about him on ftp (not even on ftp.lysator.liu.se 8-),
except his name in a few languages.
> 1. Who invented him and when?
According to Overstreet's Price Guide, the first story with Moby Duck was
published in (Gold Key's) Donald Duck #112. Crone lists a Strobl story in
this comic.
Moby had his own comic from 1967 through 1978 (#1 - #30).
But can we trust Overstreet?
> 3. Is he related to any of the other Ducks?
He is, according to the family tree (of German origin?) I have, a distant
cousin of Donald.
--Harry.
P.S. Happy birthday, Don! Or like they sing in France:
"Le p'tit beurre, des touilloux"
Bror Hellman
Disney-comics digest #369.
Message 110 -
1994-06-29 at 11:24:21
> in order for the act to seem more mischievous than mean. You'll agree
> that if HD&L kicked U$'s butt it would seem very nasty since they are
> about 10 or 12 or so. So I was thinking my 1930 DD was about 7 or 8. I
> never tried to mentally readjust my Duck birth dates... let's see: say
> DD and his sister were born in 1923. Then let's say HD&L were born in
> 1938? No, that would mean Della was only 15 when she had them. And
> chapter 12 can take place no later than 1930 since it's after the stock
> merket crash. Hey... whatcha know... I've screwed myself, eh? Any
> suggestions? I think my only solution is to eliminate the comment that
> DD was "even younger" than HDL when he last saw U$.
In Stockholm we asked Barks how old HD&L are. He said six or seven years.
You don't suppose that Ducks mature faster or at least differently than
humans?
Steamboatt Willie
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> that if HD&L kicked U$'s butt it would seem very nasty since they are
> about 10 or 12 or so. So I was thinking my 1930 DD was about 7 or 8. I
> never tried to mentally readjust my Duck birth dates... let's see: say
> DD and his sister were born in 1923. Then let's say HD&L were born in
> 1938? No, that would mean Della was only 15 when she had them. And
> chapter 12 can take place no later than 1930 since it's after the stock
> merket crash. Hey... whatcha know... I've screwed myself, eh? Any
> suggestions? I think my only solution is to eliminate the comment that
> DD was "even younger" than HDL when he last saw U$.
In Stockholm we asked Barks how old HD&L are. He said six or seven years.
You don't suppose that Ducks mature faster or at least differently than
humans?
Steamboatt Willie
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Ricardo Ueda Karpischek
Report from Portugal
Message 111 -
1994-06-29 at 15:45:33
Fredrik Ekman writes:
> [...]
> been to before. There used to be a Brazilian member on this
> list, right? If you're still out there; don't you even have a
> Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck title over there?
>
I don't known which titles are published in Brazil now. I don't
buy Disney comics since 1979, approximately. Yes, there was
"Mickey Mouse" and "Donald Duck" titles here. I have hundreds of
them, and I can send selected numbers FREE to any interested
person, anywhere in the world.
If you want receive it, send mail to me. I will not answer
quickly. Because of inflation (40% by month), Brazil is changing
the money from "cruzeiro real" to "real" (1 "real" ~ 2700
"cruzeiros reais"), and this week we are adapting the computer
systems of FAPESP to work with the new money. Best regards,
Ricardo Ueda Karpischek
ueda at ime.usp.br (University of Sao Paulo, Brazil)
ueda at fapq.fapesp.br (FAPESP, Sao Paulo, Brazil)
> [...]
> been to before. There used to be a Brazilian member on this
> list, right? If you're still out there; don't you even have a
> Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck title over there?
>
I don't known which titles are published in Brazil now. I don't
buy Disney comics since 1979, approximately. Yes, there was
"Mickey Mouse" and "Donald Duck" titles here. I have hundreds of
them, and I can send selected numbers FREE to any interested
person, anywhere in the world.
If you want receive it, send mail to me. I will not answer
quickly. Because of inflation (40% by month), Brazil is changing
the money from "cruzeiro real" to "real" (1 "real" ~ 2700
"cruzeiros reais"), and this week we are adapting the computer
systems of FAPESP to work with the new money. Best regards,
Ricardo Ueda Karpischek
ueda at ime.usp.br (University of Sao Paulo, Brazil)
ueda at fapq.fapesp.br (FAPESP, Sao Paulo, Brazil)
Larry Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #355.
Message 112 -
1994-06-30 at 00:35:05
Dear Folks,
Here's the first of several replies I'll be sending now that I have
the last few weeks' digests (AT LAST!) at my fingertips.
Harry said:
> In one of your letters in a recent Gladstone comic, you mention
>Bartholomew Esteban. Up to now, I (we) knew only his last name: he is
>listed just 'Esteban' in the 'creators' file. Where did you get his first
>name? And wouldn't it be more logical that it would be Spanish (something
>like Bartolomeo) in stead of English?
Well, it's like this. When Gladstone FIRST began publishing Disney
comics in 1986, they began printing the credits to Egmont stories. But
Egmont put a stop to that, saying that they had a policy of not printing
the names and wanted Gladstone to stick with it, with the exception of
covers.
So Branca was credited now and then -- his covers were the only
Danish ones Egmont used. (I've only seen ONE Vicar cover in all my years
of comic buying, anyway.)
But in a SINGLE comic -- the very first issue of Gladstone's UNCLE
SCROOGE -- complete credits appear. Esteban had something to do with one
of the stories in there, and his FULL name appeared in the credits.
Egmont sent word to Gladstone in early 1990 that they could print
credits now, but Gladstone had already ordered all the stories they needed
for a while -- and those had been supplied to them without credits. Thus,
Disney's comics were the first to regularly credit the Danes -- albeit not
always. (Earlier Egmont stories still tend to be sent out without
credits.)
Hope this helps you, Harry.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run*
in *front* of him!"
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
Here's the first of several replies I'll be sending now that I have
the last few weeks' digests (AT LAST!) at my fingertips.
Harry said:
> In one of your letters in a recent Gladstone comic, you mention
>Bartholomew Esteban. Up to now, I (we) knew only his last name: he is
>listed just 'Esteban' in the 'creators' file. Where did you get his first
>name? And wouldn't it be more logical that it would be Spanish (something
>like Bartolomeo) in stead of English?
Well, it's like this. When Gladstone FIRST began publishing Disney
comics in 1986, they began printing the credits to Egmont stories. But
Egmont put a stop to that, saying that they had a policy of not printing
the names and wanted Gladstone to stick with it, with the exception of
covers.
So Branca was credited now and then -- his covers were the only
Danish ones Egmont used. (I've only seen ONE Vicar cover in all my years
of comic buying, anyway.)
But in a SINGLE comic -- the very first issue of Gladstone's UNCLE
SCROOGE -- complete credits appear. Esteban had something to do with one
of the stories in there, and his FULL name appeared in the credits.
Egmont sent word to Gladstone in early 1990 that they could print
credits now, but Gladstone had already ordered all the stories they needed
for a while -- and those had been supplied to them without credits. Thus,
Disney's comics were the first to regularly credit the Danes -- albeit not
always. (Earlier Egmont stories still tend to be sent out without
credits.)
Hope this helps you, Harry.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run*
in *front* of him!"
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
Larry Gerstein
My Address
Message 113 -
1994-06-30 at 00:51:53
Dear Folks,
At one point Harry asked:
"David: could you tell me your address again? I want to send you that
Dutch 60-years issue plus some other stuff."
WOW! Okay, then:
David Gerstein
620 E. Valerio St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
By the way, FABIO, did you get what I sent you? And I will send
something else before long, too, because I haven't "paid you back" in full
... not quite! (Although it may be a while yet)
Your friend,
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
At one point Harry asked:
"David: could you tell me your address again? I want to send you that
Dutch 60-years issue plus some other stuff."
WOW! Okay, then:
David Gerstein
620 E. Valerio St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
By the way, FABIO, did you get what I sent you? And I will send
something else before long, too, because I haven't "paid you back" in full
... not quite! (Although it may be a while yet)
Your friend,
David Gerstein
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #371.
Message 114 -
1994-06-30 at 06:34:03
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wishes!
WILMER:
Sorry... haven't copied those pages to send you yet.
You spotted Grandey's ad with the usual section reserved for the
customary Don-Rosa-attack? I saw that also... but can you make sense out
of it? Which of my stories had $crooge saying "dadburn" on the first
page... or on ANY page??? Could the poor fellow of meager literacy
abilities be referring to part I where $crooge is saying "goldurn"? In
my original script, it was "dang"... but I'll stand behind "goldurn" or
"dadburn". Why wouldn't an old one-time cowboy use that expression? This
is what we were saying about Grandey grasping at straws, and doing
you-know-what in the wind.
DAVID:
Now that you've popped in, I need to tell you that I finally
sent you a long comment on "Two In One" and posted it all as a reply to
your original May 6 message. I sure hope you can access that college
computer account. I can't type all that again!
WILMER:
Sorry... haven't copied those pages to send you yet.
You spotted Grandey's ad with the usual section reserved for the
customary Don-Rosa-attack? I saw that also... but can you make sense out
of it? Which of my stories had $crooge saying "dadburn" on the first
page... or on ANY page??? Could the poor fellow of meager literacy
abilities be referring to part I where $crooge is saying "goldurn"? In
my original script, it was "dang"... but I'll stand behind "goldurn" or
"dadburn". Why wouldn't an old one-time cowboy use that expression? This
is what we were saying about Grandey grasping at straws, and doing
you-know-what in the wind.
DAVID:
Now that you've popped in, I need to tell you that I finally
sent you a long comment on "Two In One" and posted it all as a reply to
your original May 6 message. I sure hope you can access that college
computer account. I can't type all that again!
Even Flood
Dons birthday
Message 115 -
1994-06-30 at 10:52:36
Belatedly hapy birthday Don! I do not know how old you are, but I have a
strong suspicion that when Carl Barks was your present age he had almost
all of his grat works ahead of him. So we have much to look forward to!
And remember, life begins after tirxxx forxxx fifty!
Even
strong suspicion that when Carl Barks was your present age he had almost
all of his grat works ahead of him. So we have much to look forward to!
And remember, life begins after tirxxx forxxx fifty!
Even
Bror Hellman
Girls, girls, girls...
Message 116 -
1994-06-30 at 11:50:49
Hello!
Don, In a Swedish comics conference we are just now debating
Disney-comics and rasism and Disney-comics and women.
Have you never considered doing a story with somewhat more powerful women?
It seems that women in general in Disney-comics are mostly decorations.
Steamboat Willie
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Don, In a Swedish comics conference we are just now debating
Disney-comics and rasism and Disney-comics and women.
Have you never considered doing a story with somewhat more powerful women?
It seems that women in general in Disney-comics are mostly decorations.
Steamboat Willie
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Mikko Aittola
Disney-comics digest #371.
Message 117 -
1994-06-30 at 11:53:09
Don wrote:
> Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying that you don't see why
> I should be upset by the contents of a "private" FAX and not upset by
> the contents of an article in a major magazine?
Well, you sort of misunderstand me and sort of not...
First, of course I see the difference between the famous FAX and
the story in the magazine. I totally agree that you should sue Grandey
because he accused you about crimes you didn't do.
But both the FAX and the story in the magazine contained also
false information about Lo$. I don't PERSONALLY care if Grandey
tells lies about Lo$ in FAXes but when he tolds the lies to press
I think the false information should be corrected. You see here in
Finland about nobody knows how you wrote Lo$ and how 'painfully
accurate' it is to Barks' work. Well, that was before Grandey told us.
It's not that big deal, but I'm still going to send a letter to the
writer of the article.
I'm little late, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Aku Ankka 25&26/94:
25/94
WDC 125 Barks' winter story
H 8460
OS 238 D Barks' one-pager
conclusion chapter of U$ 31
OS 408 D Barks' one-pager
26/94
D 92200
H 9043 two-page Goofy story
WDC 36 by Barks
D 93481 First part of viking adventure by Marco Rota
Are the contents same everywhere in northern Europe?
/Mikko
> Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying that you don't see why
> I should be upset by the contents of a "private" FAX and not upset by
> the contents of an article in a major magazine?
Well, you sort of misunderstand me and sort of not...
First, of course I see the difference between the famous FAX and
the story in the magazine. I totally agree that you should sue Grandey
because he accused you about crimes you didn't do.
But both the FAX and the story in the magazine contained also
false information about Lo$. I don't PERSONALLY care if Grandey
tells lies about Lo$ in FAXes but when he tolds the lies to press
I think the false information should be corrected. You see here in
Finland about nobody knows how you wrote Lo$ and how 'painfully
accurate' it is to Barks' work. Well, that was before Grandey told us.
It's not that big deal, but I'm still going to send a letter to the
writer of the article.
I'm little late, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Aku Ankka 25&26/94:
25/94
WDC 125 Barks' winter story
H 8460
OS 238 D Barks' one-pager
conclusion chapter of U$ 31
OS 408 D Barks' one-pager
26/94
D 92200
H 9043 two-page Goofy story
WDC 36 by Barks
D 93481 First part of viking adventure by Marco Rota
Are the contents same everywhere in northern Europe?
/Mikko
KEDDYBD
Disney-comics digest #371. -Reply
Message 118 -
1994-06-30 at 15:51:08
A Happy Belated Birthday to Don Rosa. I've been following Don's work for more than 10 years now (originally through Captain Kentucky reprints in
The Comics Reader in the early '80's, and his answer column) and have admired and enjoyed his work from the get-go. If I had known his birthday
was coming up, I would have sent him a card or something.
The best of luck, sir, with your lawsuit against Grandey. He doesn't sound like someone I'd get to know and it's a shame he has his meathooks on
Barks.
Tomorrow (July 1st) is Canada Day so I won't be able to respond to any more messages until Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody.
The Comics Reader in the early '80's, and his answer column) and have admired and enjoyed his work from the get-go. If I had known his birthday
was coming up, I would have sent him a card or something.
The best of luck, sir, with your lawsuit against Grandey. He doesn't sound like someone I'd get to know and it's a shame he has his meathooks on
Barks.
Tomorrow (July 1st) is Canada Day so I won't be able to respond to any more messages until Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody.
Knut Hunstad
Lots o' things
Message 119 -
1994-06-30 at 16:45:21
I have been in Oslo for almost a week and am finally trying to catch up with
my mail. So here is a summary of several responses:
-----------------------------------------------------
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DON!
(May the lawyers be with you!)
----------------------------------------------------
HAPPY JULY 1.ST TO ALL CANADIANS OUT THERE!
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The character named "Skogs-Ola " in Sweden and "Urtigao" in Brazil seems to
be the same guy who has been called "Jesper Skauen" (or sometimes "Jesper
Skaugen") in Norway. One story with him I remember is where HDL try to get a
photo of a very seldom bird and get help from this guy. The whole thing ends
up with his beard full of blueberry. He has also been in at least one of
those "slapstick"-stories with Daisy, DD, U$ and Feathry. Is this the same
guy? If so, I guess you have another entry for your interlingual file, Fredrik?
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----------------------------------------------------------------
I'll be back with a listing of the stories in the norwegian DD&Co. after I
check my snail-mail back home...
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
my mail. So here is a summary of several responses:
-----------------------------------------------------
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DON!
(May the lawyers be with you!)
----------------------------------------------------
HAPPY JULY 1.ST TO ALL CANADIANS OUT THERE!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
The character named "Skogs-Ola " in Sweden and "Urtigao" in Brazil seems to
be the same guy who has been called "Jesper Skauen" (or sometimes "Jesper
Skaugen") in Norway. One story with him I remember is where HDL try to get a
photo of a very seldom bird and get help from this guy. The whole thing ends
up with his beard full of blueberry. He has also been in at least one of
those "slapstick"-stories with Daisy, DD, U$ and Feathry. Is this the same
guy? If so, I guess you have another entry for your interlingual file, Fredrik?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
I'll be back with a listing of the stories in the norwegian DD&Co. after I
check my snail-mail back home...
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #371.
Message 120 -
1994-06-30 at 17:04:42
DON:
No, you got that movie right; the book however is more clearly not only
about wether people should or should not have access to one particular book
(yes, Aristotle on humor) but this particular conflict was widened into a
discussion, at some times ex- at other implicit, about access to knowledge in
general, and the potential dangers of limited or unlimited access respectively.
It is, IMHO, a very good book -- better than the film; though I like that too
-- and is recommended to anyone who has not as yet read it.
There is, however, no more specific similarities that I recall between tNotR
and GotLL, more than that generally both are about ancient knowledge/literature
believed lost; and if asked again, Don, you can calmly say: "No - there's no
relation"
Well, yes -- I see your point that a certain irony in the final panel of Lo$
#12 would be lost; on the other hand Donald really is no Bill Grandey, is he
now? I mean, Donald might engage in the occasional get-rich-quick-scheme, and
he has an awful temperament; but basically I've always tought of him as a very
decent and good chap, frustrated by fate and responsibilities, but still a good
enough guy. And that is why I do react somewhat to the to my mind
a-bit-too-mean-and-thick-headed Donald of GotLL and Lo$ #12. Of course I'm
well aware that these portrayals of Donald is well ante the Grandey-schemes of
late; so I *don't* mean to imply that you've ill-used Donald to score some tacit
point against Bill Grandey. What I guess I am trying to say is that maybe I
don't think you ought to make Donald Duck pay for the nastier forms of greed
and avarice that flourishes in and out of the comics. Even if he's only a
fictional character, he's still basically to good a guy, I think, to quite
deserve that. Well... you're the artist -- which, as you say, does make it your
choice to make.
About Donald's age vs HD&L's: there are several ways to get round this problem.
One, of course, is to delete that particular remark -- what *matters* regarding
Donald's act of violence against his Uncle's butt is that he does not *look*
too old, and since duck-kids seem to look pretty much the same wether they're
five or fifteen, if you don't mention his age in Lo$ the only one's that'll
know he's ten in 1930 will be a few die-hard fans like me, who don't care if
his action is proper behaviour or not. (BTW, $crooge must be a rather
exceptional duck, as he could grow whiskers already at the age of 13 -- an
early developer, obviously!).
Another possibility is of course to make Della a few years older than Donald:
if she's born in say 1918, and Donald in 1923 -- then you can have HD&L born in
1938 without resorting to teen-age pregnancies. I know you kinda liked the idea
of Donald and Della being twins -- and sure, it's neat but it ain't
necessarilly so, nor does any sources say so to my knowledge. Thus Donald would
be 7 in 1930, and HD&L 8 in 1947 -- and Donald would be about 20 when he first
gets care of HD&L. It's all feasible. It works better, too, with the early
Barks stories, set in the early 1940s if HD&L can at least be four to six years
old at that time -- but it presents a problem in the midfifties when the kids
would be 16, 17 or 18 -- but still looks like kids. Obviously, and unlike their
grand-uncle, they must be late developers, eh...?
Well, I think you, as the artist who makes the choices, should make one of
some kind regarding this matter... as it is, it's just the teensiest bit
irritating to my kind of hard-core fan...!
All my best!
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!********** "A flier! A frier! I must shave the women and children!" **********!
!==============================================================================!
No, you got that movie right; the book however is more clearly not only
about wether people should or should not have access to one particular book
(yes, Aristotle on humor) but this particular conflict was widened into a
discussion, at some times ex- at other implicit, about access to knowledge in
general, and the potential dangers of limited or unlimited access respectively.
It is, IMHO, a very good book -- better than the film; though I like that too
-- and is recommended to anyone who has not as yet read it.
There is, however, no more specific similarities that I recall between tNotR
and GotLL, more than that generally both are about ancient knowledge/literature
believed lost; and if asked again, Don, you can calmly say: "No - there's no
relation"
Well, yes -- I see your point that a certain irony in the final panel of Lo$
#12 would be lost; on the other hand Donald really is no Bill Grandey, is he
now? I mean, Donald might engage in the occasional get-rich-quick-scheme, and
he has an awful temperament; but basically I've always tought of him as a very
decent and good chap, frustrated by fate and responsibilities, but still a good
enough guy. And that is why I do react somewhat to the to my mind
a-bit-too-mean-and-thick-headed Donald of GotLL and Lo$ #12. Of course I'm
well aware that these portrayals of Donald is well ante the Grandey-schemes of
late; so I *don't* mean to imply that you've ill-used Donald to score some tacit
point against Bill Grandey. What I guess I am trying to say is that maybe I
don't think you ought to make Donald Duck pay for the nastier forms of greed
and avarice that flourishes in and out of the comics. Even if he's only a
fictional character, he's still basically to good a guy, I think, to quite
deserve that. Well... you're the artist -- which, as you say, does make it your
choice to make.
About Donald's age vs HD&L's: there are several ways to get round this problem.
One, of course, is to delete that particular remark -- what *matters* regarding
Donald's act of violence against his Uncle's butt is that he does not *look*
too old, and since duck-kids seem to look pretty much the same wether they're
five or fifteen, if you don't mention his age in Lo$ the only one's that'll
know he's ten in 1930 will be a few die-hard fans like me, who don't care if
his action is proper behaviour or not. (BTW, $crooge must be a rather
exceptional duck, as he could grow whiskers already at the age of 13 -- an
early developer, obviously!).
Another possibility is of course to make Della a few years older than Donald:
if she's born in say 1918, and Donald in 1923 -- then you can have HD&L born in
1938 without resorting to teen-age pregnancies. I know you kinda liked the idea
of Donald and Della being twins -- and sure, it's neat but it ain't
necessarilly so, nor does any sources say so to my knowledge. Thus Donald would
be 7 in 1930, and HD&L 8 in 1947 -- and Donald would be about 20 when he first
gets care of HD&L. It's all feasible. It works better, too, with the early
Barks stories, set in the early 1940s if HD&L can at least be four to six years
old at that time -- but it presents a problem in the midfifties when the kids
would be 16, 17 or 18 -- but still looks like kids. Obviously, and unlike their
grand-uncle, they must be late developers, eh...?
Well, I think you, as the artist who makes the choices, should make one of
some kind regarding this matter... as it is, it's just the teensiest bit
irritating to my kind of hard-core fan...!
All my best!
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!********** "A flier! A frier! I must shave the women and children!" **********!
!==============================================================================!