- Dwight (and me) about Fethry's nephew:
> > My brain just blanked out his Danish name. - I'll be back with it later.
> >
> Is that "Pjaske"? I was going to ask about this character, which I just
> ran into for the first time when I was reading that Danish "Christmas
> Classics" collection of Italian stories I picked up in Denmark this
> past November. There's a Scrooge story featuring "Onkel Joakim" and
> a little-kid duck named Pjaske. Pjaske has a more pointed beak than
> the other Ducks and seems younger and more childlike than HD&L. I was
> wondering if this character is some Italian creation unknown on the
> North American continent? (I don't have the book with me, so "Pjaske"
> is from memory -- I may not be spelling it right.)
I think it's rather 'Pjuske'. - I'll read the story tonight! - I'm not
sure if the his look has changed. _I_ wasn't in doubt who it was.
Regards,
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
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Author
Topic: 199501
(168 messages)
Jacob S. Andersen
Duckling-arama
Message 106 -
1995-01-19 at 19:18:37
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #558.
Message 107 -
1995-01-20 at 05:50:49
WILMER:
This really isn't worth my repeating, but I just noticed that I misworded
my last message to you. I meant to say, what makes you think the Hueys in Long,
Newton, Baby etc. is NOT short for Hugh or Hugo? (I left out the "not".)
This really isn't worth my repeating, but I just noticed that I misworded
my last message to you. I meant to say, what makes you think the Hueys in Long,
Newton, Baby etc. is NOT short for Hugh or Hugo? (I left out the "not".)
Wilmer Rivers
Ducks' names (again)
Message 108 -
1995-01-20 at 07:15:14
I'm pretty sure that the famous Hueys were not Hughs or Hugos, but
I suppose if you were named Hugh or Hugo you could go by Huey anyway.
So duckling # 1 is equally likely to be "Huey", "Hugh", or "Hugo".
I maintained that no one is really named "Dewey", but David disagreed.
Now, a lot of people have "Dewey" as their LAST name (e.g., the inventor
of the Dewey Decimal System for cataloging books), so it could be used
as a first name too. [It seems to be a tradition mainly of the rich
and powerful to give their children first names taken from the last
names of prominent branches of their family tree. Calvin Trilling
once wrote that most of his classmates at Yale had names like "Hatcher
Baxter Thatcher III", and would be called "Hatch".] So duckling # 2
could be named "Dewey", or this could be a nickname for either "Duane"
or "Dwayne". Similarly, if duckling # 3 was correct in insisting on
what he was to be called, then his name is actually "Louie", but it
seems more likely that it's really either "Louis" or "Lewis". So which
is it among Huey/Hugh/Hugo, Dewey/Duane/Dwayne, and Louie/Louis/Lewis?
I don't know, but it seems improbable that two of them would be given
the "non-standard" names "Dewey" and "Louie" just so that all three
names would rhyme; that's a good use for nicknames instead. Of course,
if you're named "Dumbella", you probably aren't too bright, so no
telling WHAT you would name your kids. And I'm certainly in no position
to talk - my father had aunts (not triplets, but close in age) named
"Flora", "Dora", and "Cora". HONEST!!!!!
Wilmer Rivers
I suppose if you were named Hugh or Hugo you could go by Huey anyway.
So duckling # 1 is equally likely to be "Huey", "Hugh", or "Hugo".
I maintained that no one is really named "Dewey", but David disagreed.
Now, a lot of people have "Dewey" as their LAST name (e.g., the inventor
of the Dewey Decimal System for cataloging books), so it could be used
as a first name too. [It seems to be a tradition mainly of the rich
and powerful to give their children first names taken from the last
names of prominent branches of their family tree. Calvin Trilling
once wrote that most of his classmates at Yale had names like "Hatcher
Baxter Thatcher III", and would be called "Hatch".] So duckling # 2
could be named "Dewey", or this could be a nickname for either "Duane"
or "Dwayne". Similarly, if duckling # 3 was correct in insisting on
what he was to be called, then his name is actually "Louie", but it
seems more likely that it's really either "Louis" or "Lewis". So which
is it among Huey/Hugh/Hugo, Dewey/Duane/Dwayne, and Louie/Louis/Lewis?
I don't know, but it seems improbable that two of them would be given
the "non-standard" names "Dewey" and "Louie" just so that all three
names would rhyme; that's a good use for nicknames instead. Of course,
if you're named "Dumbella", you probably aren't too bright, so no
telling WHAT you would name your kids. And I'm certainly in no position
to talk - my father had aunts (not triplets, but close in age) named
"Flora", "Dora", and "Cora". HONEST!!!!!
Wilmer Rivers
MinnieFay
Disney-comics digest #556.
Message 109 -
1995-01-20 at 09:37:20
alan-
i've never heard of disney calling cards.. I've heard of disney phones...
and "pretend" disney caling cards (I've got obe of those it says "minnie's
calling card (or something) god for unlimited phone use" but, that's just a
fun carde to carry around.
i've never heard of disney calling cards.. I've heard of disney phones...
and "pretend" disney caling cards (I've got obe of those it says "minnie's
calling card (or something) god for unlimited phone use" but, that's just a
fun carde to carry around.
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Gladstone/Marvel cataclysm
Message 110 -
1995-01-20 at 15:51:19
AUGIE: "... Heroes World (an Eastern comic book distributor in
America) was recenly purchased by Marvel, sending shockwaves
out through the industry..."
BRUCE HAMILTON: "Marvel recently cancelled its contract to buy
the traditional Disney comics from Gladstone for newsstand
distribution, so now we have no direct dealings with Marvel."
Gladstone's now stuck with distributing the comics in
whatever less-financially-attractive way they did it from 1986-
1989: through the normal, non-Marvel way.
Gladstone's deal with Marvel involved Marvel BUYING an entire stock
of Disney comics, sending them out to newsstands, and then swallowing
the returned unsold copies itself. Now Gladstone will have to
swallow the returned copies. There's only one advantage as I see it,
and that, I imagine, is that other distribution companies will do a
better job getting Gladstones into the newsstands than Marvel did.
After all, Gladstone will be paying them to do same. But since
Marvel was the OWNER of the Gladstones it distributed, Gladstone
couldn't complain a whit about their poor distribution. Marvel had
bought them, and Marvel had itself to answer to if they decided
distribution was poor.
But It WAS up to Gladstone, as I see it, to help Marvel along (as
well as themselves, of course -- let's not forget that) by
advertising a lot in magazines such as HERO, and by constantly
announcing their new stories and innovations to the fan press.
They didn't bother. Maggie Thompson pointed out to me that
Gladstone never sent the CBG any press releases or comments
about what they were publishing, even though the CBG would have liked
to have run articles about it. No complimentary copies either for
Thompson to review. Only proofs of the ads they wanted to
have used on the back covers. That was it.
Gladstone's management -- be it Bruce Hamilton's decision, or that of
someone else -- decided that they didn't need to advertise anywhere
but on the back of the CBG. Unfortunately, now it looks like they've
paid the price. Even if they get better distribution from going back
to their 1980s method, they'll have to swallow a lot of returned
copies. Things are going to be very different.
My personal expectation is that DONALD AND MICKEY will be on the
ropes. Either it will be forced to change its format to include more
popular Mickey stories, or the decision will be made that Mickey
himself is the reason for the poor sales (despite the comparatively
good sales of WDC&S), and D&M will fold. I hope the former course is
taken.
Actually, maybe Gladstone will have Archie distribute its comics, as
with the 1985 one-shots (did anyone notice the "Gladstone distributed
by Archie" logo on the digest versions of USGDG and DBPG?).
I hate to say this, but I think that Gladstone's management made this
bed. Now they have to sleep in it. I only hope that Gladstone is up
to the challenge. Otherwise, you can bet Marvel will end up with the
license, somehow. Marvel will find a way to make them sell, because
Marvel has Influence. (I capitalized that to make it look important,
but now it looks like Influence is another comic book publisher. It
certainly sounds like one.)
David Gerstein
America) was recenly purchased by Marvel, sending shockwaves
out through the industry..."
BRUCE HAMILTON: "Marvel recently cancelled its contract to buy
the traditional Disney comics from Gladstone for newsstand
distribution, so now we have no direct dealings with Marvel."
Gladstone's now stuck with distributing the comics in
whatever less-financially-attractive way they did it from 1986-
1989: through the normal, non-Marvel way.
Gladstone's deal with Marvel involved Marvel BUYING an entire stock
of Disney comics, sending them out to newsstands, and then swallowing
the returned unsold copies itself. Now Gladstone will have to
swallow the returned copies. There's only one advantage as I see it,
and that, I imagine, is that other distribution companies will do a
better job getting Gladstones into the newsstands than Marvel did.
After all, Gladstone will be paying them to do same. But since
Marvel was the OWNER of the Gladstones it distributed, Gladstone
couldn't complain a whit about their poor distribution. Marvel had
bought them, and Marvel had itself to answer to if they decided
distribution was poor.
But It WAS up to Gladstone, as I see it, to help Marvel along (as
well as themselves, of course -- let's not forget that) by
advertising a lot in magazines such as HERO, and by constantly
announcing their new stories and innovations to the fan press.
They didn't bother. Maggie Thompson pointed out to me that
Gladstone never sent the CBG any press releases or comments
about what they were publishing, even though the CBG would have liked
to have run articles about it. No complimentary copies either for
Thompson to review. Only proofs of the ads they wanted to
have used on the back covers. That was it.
Gladstone's management -- be it Bruce Hamilton's decision, or that of
someone else -- decided that they didn't need to advertise anywhere
but on the back of the CBG. Unfortunately, now it looks like they've
paid the price. Even if they get better distribution from going back
to their 1980s method, they'll have to swallow a lot of returned
copies. Things are going to be very different.
My personal expectation is that DONALD AND MICKEY will be on the
ropes. Either it will be forced to change its format to include more
popular Mickey stories, or the decision will be made that Mickey
himself is the reason for the poor sales (despite the comparatively
good sales of WDC&S), and D&M will fold. I hope the former course is
taken.
Actually, maybe Gladstone will have Archie distribute its comics, as
with the 1985 one-shots (did anyone notice the "Gladstone distributed
by Archie" logo on the digest versions of USGDG and DBPG?).
I hate to say this, but I think that Gladstone's management made this
bed. Now they have to sleep in it. I only hope that Gladstone is up
to the challenge. Otherwise, you can bet Marvel will end up with the
license, somehow. Marvel will find a way to make them sell, because
Marvel has Influence. (I capitalized that to make it look important,
but now it looks like Influence is another comic book publisher. It
certainly sounds like one.)
David Gerstein
Mike Pohjola
Just asking...
Message 111 -
1995-01-20 at 19:29:37
DON:
Supposing your self-respect won't let you _beg_ me Finnish comics,
should I still think you would? And if, then is there something special
you'd like?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Supposing your self-respect won't let you _beg_ me Finnish comics,
should I still think you would? And if, then is there something special
you'd like?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Dwight Decker
Gladstone/Marvel cataclysm
Message 112 -
1995-01-20 at 20:02:00
All I know is what I read in CBG, but Hamilton did go on to say that
Gladstone had found ways to make up for the loss of the Marvel deal.
What he meant, I have no idea. My gut feeling is that losing Marvel's
distribution can't be good. Gladstone had real problems with its
newsstand distribution in the '80s because it was just a small
company with only a few titles, even if they were Disneys. There
were sizeable areas of the country where Gladstones weren't even
distributed (including, if I remember right, the New York City
metro area) because of Gladstone's headaches with the distributors.
Bundled together with Marvel, the theory was that Gladstones would
get the same penetration that Marvel did and would enjoy the
benefit of Marvel's marketplace clout, at the same time letting
Marvel worry about getting honest accounting and handling the
returns. Marvel's interest was having more titles for its kiddie
line, along with its own Disneys and things like Barbie. But if
Marvel has canceled the deal and it's just Gladstone and its
handful of bimonthly titles up against the godfathers and wiseguys
of newsstand distribution...yow. Get your comics at your local
comics shop, guys, 'cuz who knows where they'll show up in the
rest of the country.
But as I said, I don't _know_ what's going on. I just read
CBG like the rest of you. All I can tell you is that I just got
paid a few days ago for that 39-page Italian Mickey Mouse "which-
way" story I translated for Gladstone, and a note on the check
said "D&M #32." That's what...roughly eight months from now?
Anything can happen between now and then, of course, but it
seems to indicate to me that as of late last week, Gladstone
was still planning to publish at least four more issues of
Donald & Mickey. The note on the check didn't say "inventory"
or anything like that (which I have seen on checks I've gotten
from other companies for projects I've worked on that got
cancelled after I turned in the work).
Well, I hate to speculate, since I do have dealings with the
company. I know just enough to get in trouble, and not enough to
be authoritative. I like David's idea that perhaps Gladstone could
hook up with Archie for newsstand distribution (after all, Archie's
got real-world penetration -- there seem to be Archie digests at
every supermarket checkout stand in the country), but even so, the
deal probably wouldn't be as good as the Marvel one was (would
Archie buy the print run outright and eat the returns?). All we
can do at this point is await further developments, I guess.
--Dwight Decker
Gladstone had found ways to make up for the loss of the Marvel deal.
What he meant, I have no idea. My gut feeling is that losing Marvel's
distribution can't be good. Gladstone had real problems with its
newsstand distribution in the '80s because it was just a small
company with only a few titles, even if they were Disneys. There
were sizeable areas of the country where Gladstones weren't even
distributed (including, if I remember right, the New York City
metro area) because of Gladstone's headaches with the distributors.
Bundled together with Marvel, the theory was that Gladstones would
get the same penetration that Marvel did and would enjoy the
benefit of Marvel's marketplace clout, at the same time letting
Marvel worry about getting honest accounting and handling the
returns. Marvel's interest was having more titles for its kiddie
line, along with its own Disneys and things like Barbie. But if
Marvel has canceled the deal and it's just Gladstone and its
handful of bimonthly titles up against the godfathers and wiseguys
of newsstand distribution...yow. Get your comics at your local
comics shop, guys, 'cuz who knows where they'll show up in the
rest of the country.
But as I said, I don't _know_ what's going on. I just read
CBG like the rest of you. All I can tell you is that I just got
paid a few days ago for that 39-page Italian Mickey Mouse "which-
way" story I translated for Gladstone, and a note on the check
said "D&M #32." That's what...roughly eight months from now?
Anything can happen between now and then, of course, but it
seems to indicate to me that as of late last week, Gladstone
was still planning to publish at least four more issues of
Donald & Mickey. The note on the check didn't say "inventory"
or anything like that (which I have seen on checks I've gotten
from other companies for projects I've worked on that got
cancelled after I turned in the work).
Well, I hate to speculate, since I do have dealings with the
company. I know just enough to get in trouble, and not enough to
be authoritative. I like David's idea that perhaps Gladstone could
hook up with Archie for newsstand distribution (after all, Archie's
got real-world penetration -- there seem to be Archie digests at
every supermarket checkout stand in the country), but even so, the
deal probably wouldn't be as good as the Marvel one was (would
Archie buy the print run outright and eat the returns?). All we
can do at this point is await further developments, I guess.
--Dwight Decker
Arne H. Juul
Article in Norwegian DD
Message 113 -
1995-01-20 at 22:32:57
The newest Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. has a long article
about Don Rosa to announce the story that begins in the next
issue. I though you might all be interested in it, and together with
a friend (Stig Saether Bakken) entered and translated it. From what
I've been reading on this list, it seems quite accurate. Do any of
you know whether the same or similar articles has appeared in other
Disney publications, or is it just the Norwegian publisher's?
Hope you find this interesting.
Yours,
Arne H. Juul
DID YOU KNOW THAT...
...there is a new Don Rosa story coming up?
Not many people are so lucky they may have the funniest and most
interesting thing they know as a full day job. Keno Don Rosa is one of
the few that has had the occasion to do exactly what he has dreamed of
since childhood. He was born in Louisville in the state of Kentucky
6/29 1951, and grew up with his older sister's Donald comics.
In the comics, it was especially the stories by "the good artist"
which captured him. "The good artist" was the only name one had until
the end of the 60'ies for Carl Barks. Don Rosa himself says that he
is a Barks admirer who has had his highest wish come true, namely
being allowed to draw Donald, Uncle Scrooge and everyone else in
Duckburg. The fact that he also can make a living out of it,
appears to him as a miracle.
Don Rosa regards himself as a bad artist. He is self-educated, and he
feels that he still has a lot to learn. Those who read his stories as
they are published are not in doubt that he is continuously improving.
Nevertheless it is as a story writer Don Rosa is outstanding, and the
way he tells his tales is of a good old-fashioned sort, where the art
does not obstruct the fascination with the story.
Don Rosa imagines his stories going on some time in the 50'ies, as was
the case with Barks' tales. This is the reason why things may seem a
little old-fashioned. In the Duckburg he describes, the electronical
age has not yet come. In Scrooge's office there are employees who
update the accounting journals by hand, like Scrooge himself does. In
"Last dogsled to Dawson", the backs of the accounting journals are
labeled 1954.
It may often be an adventure of itself to go looking for the minor details
in Don Rosa's stories. Not least one may find a lot on the first page.
Don Rosa is one of the few Donald artists who both write and do the
art of his own stories, like Barks did. The fact that he is in debt
to the old master appears clearly from his stories. The first one he
made, "The son of the Sun", begins with a scene in the museum where
uncle Scrooge has an exhibition of many items related his previous
adventures with Donald and the boys.
Like Barks, Don Rosa does a thorough job when writing a story. Lexica
and references are plowed though, and like his teacher he takes to the
National Geographic to document facts. It's not such a strange thing
that Don Rosa's stories are so full of historical and scientific
facts. If some hieroglyphs are supposed to say "Kleopatra", they do
say "Kleopatra". When errors sometimes occur, the reason is usually a
lack of accuracy or knowledge with the people who take over the story
when it leaves Don Rosa's hand.
Don Rosa's first story starts at Scrooge's museum. A strange thing
with this museum is that there is also on display a treasure which
Scrooge had not yet obtained when "The son of the Sun" was published
for the first time in the USA, 1987. In one of the display cases we
find a part of king Croesus' treasure. Croesus is the prince who
is regarded as the richest man through all time. Don Rosa thinks it
was Croesus who came up with the idea of coinage, and suggested in an
interview a few years back that it might be a good starting-point for
a story. Now this story is finished, and next week you get to read
about how the story ended when Scrooge tried to find Croesus' treasure.
And one more thing - Don is not short for Donald!
about Don Rosa to announce the story that begins in the next
issue. I though you might all be interested in it, and together with
a friend (Stig Saether Bakken) entered and translated it. From what
I've been reading on this list, it seems quite accurate. Do any of
you know whether the same or similar articles has appeared in other
Disney publications, or is it just the Norwegian publisher's?
Hope you find this interesting.
Yours,
Arne H. Juul
DID YOU KNOW THAT...
...there is a new Don Rosa story coming up?
Not many people are so lucky they may have the funniest and most
interesting thing they know as a full day job. Keno Don Rosa is one of
the few that has had the occasion to do exactly what he has dreamed of
since childhood. He was born in Louisville in the state of Kentucky
6/29 1951, and grew up with his older sister's Donald comics.
In the comics, it was especially the stories by "the good artist"
which captured him. "The good artist" was the only name one had until
the end of the 60'ies for Carl Barks. Don Rosa himself says that he
is a Barks admirer who has had his highest wish come true, namely
being allowed to draw Donald, Uncle Scrooge and everyone else in
Duckburg. The fact that he also can make a living out of it,
appears to him as a miracle.
Don Rosa regards himself as a bad artist. He is self-educated, and he
feels that he still has a lot to learn. Those who read his stories as
they are published are not in doubt that he is continuously improving.
Nevertheless it is as a story writer Don Rosa is outstanding, and the
way he tells his tales is of a good old-fashioned sort, where the art
does not obstruct the fascination with the story.
Don Rosa imagines his stories going on some time in the 50'ies, as was
the case with Barks' tales. This is the reason why things may seem a
little old-fashioned. In the Duckburg he describes, the electronical
age has not yet come. In Scrooge's office there are employees who
update the accounting journals by hand, like Scrooge himself does. In
"Last dogsled to Dawson", the backs of the accounting journals are
labeled 1954.
It may often be an adventure of itself to go looking for the minor details
in Don Rosa's stories. Not least one may find a lot on the first page.
Don Rosa is one of the few Donald artists who both write and do the
art of his own stories, like Barks did. The fact that he is in debt
to the old master appears clearly from his stories. The first one he
made, "The son of the Sun", begins with a scene in the museum where
uncle Scrooge has an exhibition of many items related his previous
adventures with Donald and the boys.
Like Barks, Don Rosa does a thorough job when writing a story. Lexica
and references are plowed though, and like his teacher he takes to the
National Geographic to document facts. It's not such a strange thing
that Don Rosa's stories are so full of historical and scientific
facts. If some hieroglyphs are supposed to say "Kleopatra", they do
say "Kleopatra". When errors sometimes occur, the reason is usually a
lack of accuracy or knowledge with the people who take over the story
when it leaves Don Rosa's hand.
Don Rosa's first story starts at Scrooge's museum. A strange thing
with this museum is that there is also on display a treasure which
Scrooge had not yet obtained when "The son of the Sun" was published
for the first time in the USA, 1987. In one of the display cases we
find a part of king Croesus' treasure. Croesus is the prince who
is regarded as the richest man through all time. Don Rosa thinks it
was Croesus who came up with the idea of coinage, and suggested in an
interview a few years back that it might be a good starting-point for
a story. Now this story is finished, and next week you get to read
about how the story ended when Scrooge tried to find Croesus' treasure.
And one more thing - Don is not short for Donald!
PAULO BARRETO
Duckling-arama
Message 114 -
1995-01-21 at 04:01:00
JACOB, DWIGHT:
>> Pjaske has a more pointed beak than
>> the other Ducks and seems younger and more childlike than HD&L. I was
>> wondering if this character is some Italian creation unknown on the
>> North American continent? (I don't have the book with me, so "Pjaske"
>> is from memory -- I may not be spelling it right.)
JSA>I think it's rather 'Pjuske'. - I'll read the story tonight! - I'm not
>sure if the his look has changed. _I_ wasn't in doubt who it was.
After that discussion I don't know whether we're talking about
the same character. As far as I know (he's not exactly my favorite;
Feathry alone is enough funny), Fethry's nephew has yellow feathers (as
a real duckling) and wears a hood (as Fethry's, but without the
pom-pom). The description by Dwight is pretty close, but unlike Jacob's
previous mesage (not quoted), I have never seen Biquinho in that kind of
adventure story - at least not in B-coded stories. And the earliest
Biquinho stories are from early 80's (1982, I think) when Brazilian
publishers launched a contest to elect his best coloring.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ NaCl d'PP de Paulo Barreto
---
* QMPro 1.0 12-3456 * Do I have a lifestyle yet?
>> Pjaske has a more pointed beak than
>> the other Ducks and seems younger and more childlike than HD&L. I was
>> wondering if this character is some Italian creation unknown on the
>> North American continent? (I don't have the book with me, so "Pjaske"
>> is from memory -- I may not be spelling it right.)
JSA>I think it's rather 'Pjuske'. - I'll read the story tonight! - I'm not
>sure if the his look has changed. _I_ wasn't in doubt who it was.
After that discussion I don't know whether we're talking about
the same character. As far as I know (he's not exactly my favorite;
Feathry alone is enough funny), Fethry's nephew has yellow feathers (as
a real duckling) and wears a hood (as Fethry's, but without the
pom-pom). The description by Dwight is pretty close, but unlike Jacob's
previous mesage (not quoted), I have never seen Biquinho in that kind of
adventure story - at least not in B-coded stories. And the earliest
Biquinho stories are from early 80's (1982, I think) when Brazilian
publishers launched a contest to elect his best coloring.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ NaCl d'PP de Paulo Barreto
---
* QMPro 1.0 12-3456 * Do I have a lifestyle yet?
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #559.
Message 115 -
1995-01-21 at 06:59:24
HARRY:
I received the Dutch Disney comics you sent -- THANKS! Now, what can I do
for you?
I see they used my "Son of the Sun" after 8 years. I wish they had stated
that it was my first story and that I apologize for the hideous art... but then
they don't give credits on the stories, and the readers won't know who to blame
anyhow.
I also see they used a few more of the "Lo$"... including using the
3-part chapter 8 as one part. But they used the WRONG version! Can you please
give a quick phone call to your friend there at the publisher (BV it's called?)
and tell him that there are now optional versions of all my three-parters with
extra pages of story and art which will allow the story to be used without those
large splash-panels! Please call them and tell him that before they get to the
3-part chapter 11. On the other hand.... perhaps they KNOW this, but still
choose to use the three-part version, as awkward as that looks, since they use
Egmont's coloring and none of the Egmont countries used (and colored) those
extra pages. Hm.
WILMER:
Whatever you speculate that the names of the Ducks are, be sure of one
thing -- Donald's sister's name is NOT "Dumbella". Even though I always say that
my versions of these characters and their histories are just MY versions, and no
one is expected to accept it over any other, I still wish to say that I won't
sit still whenever I hear that anyone would suggest that a character in the Duck
Family would have such a stupid name as "Dumbella". Della is not short for
Dumbella... if it has to be short for something, it's short for... Dellaaaaa.
(?)
MIKE P.:
You worded your question to me in such a fashion that I can't tell what
you're asking. What issues of the Finnish DONALD DUCKs do I want? As I said,
only the issues that reprint my stories (or have articles about me as you've
mentioned).
ARNE:
THANK YOU for that translation!!! I have that issue with the article
about me but I couldn't read a word of it, and you might imagine that I often
get curious about what is being said about me that is being read by a
quarter-million people. I have no idea who wrote that article, but it's all 100%
accurate... somebody did a good job. I especially like the fact that they
mention that my stories take place in the 50's and that had alluded to the
Croesus treasure as far back as "The Son of the Sun" (except as it was used in
Holland as I seem to see that they changed the name on that exhibit in their
recent reprint of that tale -- they always change any authentic names of places
or historical figures, don't they? Erg!). That bit of the Croesus treasure in
the museum case was the bit found in the hollow column at Ephesus, eh?
Is it your wording, or does the writer seem to imply that I "think" that
Croesus invented coinage, as if it's not true? I like it when the translators
check up on my facts, but in this case they'd find that there is no agreement
among historians (there never is!) as to when coins originated. But I hope the
translators allow me "artistic license" when the story DEPENDS on a particular
interpretation of historical evidence, and don't screw me up.
Now that you've seen the Croesus story, please assure me that they used
the correct ONE-PART version of the story in their special supplement issue, and
not the 3-part version!
And... how did you like it...? I disliked it so much while I was doing it
that I called it "the Croesus mess".
I received the Dutch Disney comics you sent -- THANKS! Now, what can I do
for you?
I see they used my "Son of the Sun" after 8 years. I wish they had stated
that it was my first story and that I apologize for the hideous art... but then
they don't give credits on the stories, and the readers won't know who to blame
anyhow.
I also see they used a few more of the "Lo$"... including using the
3-part chapter 8 as one part. But they used the WRONG version! Can you please
give a quick phone call to your friend there at the publisher (BV it's called?)
and tell him that there are now optional versions of all my three-parters with
extra pages of story and art which will allow the story to be used without those
large splash-panels! Please call them and tell him that before they get to the
3-part chapter 11. On the other hand.... perhaps they KNOW this, but still
choose to use the three-part version, as awkward as that looks, since they use
Egmont's coloring and none of the Egmont countries used (and colored) those
extra pages. Hm.
WILMER:
Whatever you speculate that the names of the Ducks are, be sure of one
thing -- Donald's sister's name is NOT "Dumbella". Even though I always say that
my versions of these characters and their histories are just MY versions, and no
one is expected to accept it over any other, I still wish to say that I won't
sit still whenever I hear that anyone would suggest that a character in the Duck
Family would have such a stupid name as "Dumbella". Della is not short for
Dumbella... if it has to be short for something, it's short for... Dellaaaaa.
(?)
MIKE P.:
You worded your question to me in such a fashion that I can't tell what
you're asking. What issues of the Finnish DONALD DUCKs do I want? As I said,
only the issues that reprint my stories (or have articles about me as you've
mentioned).
ARNE:
THANK YOU for that translation!!! I have that issue with the article
about me but I couldn't read a word of it, and you might imagine that I often
get curious about what is being said about me that is being read by a
quarter-million people. I have no idea who wrote that article, but it's all 100%
accurate... somebody did a good job. I especially like the fact that they
mention that my stories take place in the 50's and that had alluded to the
Croesus treasure as far back as "The Son of the Sun" (except as it was used in
Holland as I seem to see that they changed the name on that exhibit in their
recent reprint of that tale -- they always change any authentic names of places
or historical figures, don't they? Erg!). That bit of the Croesus treasure in
the museum case was the bit found in the hollow column at Ephesus, eh?
Is it your wording, or does the writer seem to imply that I "think" that
Croesus invented coinage, as if it's not true? I like it when the translators
check up on my facts, but in this case they'd find that there is no agreement
among historians (there never is!) as to when coins originated. But I hope the
translators allow me "artistic license" when the story DEPENDS on a particular
interpretation of historical evidence, and don't screw me up.
Now that you've seen the Croesus story, please assure me that they used
the correct ONE-PART version of the story in their special supplement issue, and
not the 3-part version!
And... how did you like it...? I disliked it so much while I was doing it
that I called it "the Croesus mess".
Arne H. Juul
Croesus and coinage
Message 116 -
1995-01-21 at 16:29:52
From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at compuserve.com>
> Is it your wording, or does the writer seem to imply that I
> "think" that Croesus invented coinage, as if it's not true?
More like you think Croesus invented coinage, but the historians don't
know if he did or not. Maybe they just didn't want the historians to
get angry with them :-) I think it is understood that you use it as a
premise and base the story on it. I found the wording in the Norwegian
a bit funny too.
But I haven't actually seen you Croesus story - this article was a
promotion for the next issue, due Tuesday. We're very eagerly waiting
for it, and I'll tell you what I think about it when I've read it.
Yours,
- Arne H. J.
> Is it your wording, or does the writer seem to imply that I
> "think" that Croesus invented coinage, as if it's not true?
More like you think Croesus invented coinage, but the historians don't
know if he did or not. Maybe they just didn't want the historians to
get angry with them :-) I think it is understood that you use it as a
premise and base the story on it. I found the wording in the Norwegian
a bit funny too.
But I haven't actually seen you Croesus story - this article was a
promotion for the next issue, due Tuesday. We're very eagerly waiting
for it, and I'll tell you what I think about it when I've read it.
Yours,
- Arne H. J.
Mike Pohjola
Vulcans in the cave?-o
Message 117 -
1995-01-21 at 21:19:55
DON:
I just re-read the Lo$, The dream-time duck of Never Never, and
was one of the handprints in the cave making Vulcan V hand-pattern?-o
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
I just re-read the Lo$, The dream-time duck of Never Never, and
was one of the handprints in the cave making Vulcan V hand-pattern?-o
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #560.
Message 118 -
1995-01-22 at 06:29:57
ARNE:
Yes, actually, "odd" wording of the business of whether Croesus invented
coinage is quite appropriate; I was just wondering if I correctly understood
your translation is that "odd" manner. Actually, it would obviously be
impossible to say anyone invented the use of a monetary unit for exchange or
barter. There were definitely some sorts of stones being used for "money" prior
to Croesus. The best I could hope to claim is that Croesus invented METAL coins,
which is closer to being a possibility, even though some historians will
disagree with that as well.
By the way, Norway is the only country that sends me a batch of copies of
the weeklies and monthlies in a steady stream (whether I have work in them or
not, and I have Norwegian issues out the wahzoo)... and today I received a
package containing the double-issue with this "Croesus mess" in it, meaning it
was mailed over a week ago at least. That also means I am being sent advance
copies... or perhaps all subscribers are getting the weeklies a week or two in
advance? Anyway, I just saw the issue -- they did use the correct one-part
version, and Norway is therefore seeing some art and story that no one else has
seen (other than Denmark, who get identical contents now as Norway). I also see
ANOTHER article about me on the inside cover... this one seems to be going into
a report on the first page of the old "Son of the Sun" story and explaining what
old Barks stories from which I got the items in $crooge's collection. I'm
especially wondering if they explain why a report on this particular subject is
included as a preface to the "Croesus mess" -- do they make some connection? In
other words, I'm hoping you'll have time to translate this article for me/us as
well...?
MIKE P.:
I hesitate to say this to someone who proudly bills himself as a
"Trekkie" (in America, this name has a definite negative connotation)... but,
yes, that one hand-symbol in the Dreamtime cave was intended as a Vulcan "live
long and prosper" hand sign, may heavan help me.
Yes, actually, "odd" wording of the business of whether Croesus invented
coinage is quite appropriate; I was just wondering if I correctly understood
your translation is that "odd" manner. Actually, it would obviously be
impossible to say anyone invented the use of a monetary unit for exchange or
barter. There were definitely some sorts of stones being used for "money" prior
to Croesus. The best I could hope to claim is that Croesus invented METAL coins,
which is closer to being a possibility, even though some historians will
disagree with that as well.
By the way, Norway is the only country that sends me a batch of copies of
the weeklies and monthlies in a steady stream (whether I have work in them or
not, and I have Norwegian issues out the wahzoo)... and today I received a
package containing the double-issue with this "Croesus mess" in it, meaning it
was mailed over a week ago at least. That also means I am being sent advance
copies... or perhaps all subscribers are getting the weeklies a week or two in
advance? Anyway, I just saw the issue -- they did use the correct one-part
version, and Norway is therefore seeing some art and story that no one else has
seen (other than Denmark, who get identical contents now as Norway). I also see
ANOTHER article about me on the inside cover... this one seems to be going into
a report on the first page of the old "Son of the Sun" story and explaining what
old Barks stories from which I got the items in $crooge's collection. I'm
especially wondering if they explain why a report on this particular subject is
included as a preface to the "Croesus mess" -- do they make some connection? In
other words, I'm hoping you'll have time to translate this article for me/us as
well...?
MIKE P.:
I hesitate to say this to someone who proudly bills himself as a
"Trekkie" (in America, this name has a definite negative connotation)... but,
yes, that one hand-symbol in the Dreamtime cave was intended as a Vulcan "live
long and prosper" hand sign, may heavan help me.
Geir.Hasnes
Erik, Huey, Zeke and Croesus
Message 119 -
1995-01-22 at 12:00:37
DON:
>I have no idea who wrote that article, but it's all 100%
>accurate... somebody did a good job.
It was written by Erik Hoerthe, a school teacher who is also a Disney
collector, and who has been used by the Norwegian staff to write some
factual pages to the Norwegian Donald Duck edition the last year. (The same
who arranged the exhibition on Barks last summer.) A good friend of mine, I
visited him this autumn, even though he lives a bit out in the country. He
has also appeared on TV in a program about comics and how to teach about
them.
HUEY:
About Huey - I have a book: Donald Duck by Marcia Blitz, where some
storyboards and prelim sketches to the first cartoon with HD&L were shown.
In one of them, we see the kids present themselves, and Huey says: Hello, I
am Hughey.
That settles it, doesnt it?
DAVID:
About the Big Bad Wolf and his Jewishness, a discussion about a year ago I
think. One thing is that he is called Zeke, or short for Ezekiel. However,
I read a book: Disney Animation - The Illusion of Life, by Frank Thomas and
Ollie Johnston, this Christmas. They stated that the Studio had made fun at
the time with the Jewish salesman stereotype, who "gives away free sample",
and that they later found that it was no longer proper to show this, and
they redrew the sequence before rereleasing it.
(I do not imply that Zeke Wolf is a Jew, only that he played a Jew!)
CROESUS:
Once again a fantastic story from the master hands of Don Rosa. On
rereading it, I especially noticed the dynamic and well-chosen changes of
perspective from panel to panel, and also how each panel in itself was
especially expressive and filled with what the Disney studio called The
Funny Drawing.
That Mr. Rosa continually fills the columns of this digest with his harsh
remarks about his own art fills me with agony. A digest is pr def something
that is digested before written, so do not ask us to digest such gripes and
groans, they are hard to digest when we love your stories so much. To those
who love to read Dons stories, the Croesus story is absolutely in the top
ten IMHO.
Geir Hasnes
>I have no idea who wrote that article, but it's all 100%
>accurate... somebody did a good job.
It was written by Erik Hoerthe, a school teacher who is also a Disney
collector, and who has been used by the Norwegian staff to write some
factual pages to the Norwegian Donald Duck edition the last year. (The same
who arranged the exhibition on Barks last summer.) A good friend of mine, I
visited him this autumn, even though he lives a bit out in the country. He
has also appeared on TV in a program about comics and how to teach about
them.
HUEY:
About Huey - I have a book: Donald Duck by Marcia Blitz, where some
storyboards and prelim sketches to the first cartoon with HD&L were shown.
In one of them, we see the kids present themselves, and Huey says: Hello, I
am Hughey.
That settles it, doesnt it?
DAVID:
About the Big Bad Wolf and his Jewishness, a discussion about a year ago I
think. One thing is that he is called Zeke, or short for Ezekiel. However,
I read a book: Disney Animation - The Illusion of Life, by Frank Thomas and
Ollie Johnston, this Christmas. They stated that the Studio had made fun at
the time with the Jewish salesman stereotype, who "gives away free sample",
and that they later found that it was no longer proper to show this, and
they redrew the sequence before rereleasing it.
(I do not imply that Zeke Wolf is a Jew, only that he played a Jew!)
CROESUS:
Once again a fantastic story from the master hands of Don Rosa. On
rereading it, I especially noticed the dynamic and well-chosen changes of
perspective from panel to panel, and also how each panel in itself was
especially expressive and filled with what the Disney studio called The
Funny Drawing.
That Mr. Rosa continually fills the columns of this digest with his harsh
remarks about his own art fills me with agony. A digest is pr def something
that is digested before written, so do not ask us to digest such gripes and
groans, they are hard to digest when we love your stories so much. To those
who love to read Dons stories, the Croesus story is absolutely in the top
ten IMHO.
Geir Hasnes
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #560.
Message 120 -
1995-01-22 at 13:01:04
DON:
> You worded your question to me in such a fashion that I can't tell what
That's nothing, but you should see my writings in Finnish - most
septems are over 50 words long and most of the words are there just to
make the story sound agen, formal and even religious. But to the subject,
what I meant with the question was that do you actually want _all_ the
issues with something about you? And there are some with just a small
details about you in "Editor's corner". (and you probably couldn't even
read them, but that's your business, right?-)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
> You worded your question to me in such a fashion that I can't tell what
That's nothing, but you should see my writings in Finnish - most
septems are over 50 words long and most of the words are there just to
make the story sound agen, formal and even religious. But to the subject,
what I meant with the question was that do you actually want _all_ the
issues with something about you? And there are some with just a small
details about you in "Editor's corner". (and you probably couldn't even
read them, but that's your business, right?-)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie