Well, now I'm back at last. Been a bit busy.
DAVID: I'll type in a lot of reviews tomorrow. That Beagle Boys story
is run in Norway now too, but they do have some other things in addition...
I've read your address now too, so that DD&Co will also be in the mail
tomorrow. BTW: You didn't send that script to Ole, did you? ;-)
Treasure of Croesus
-------------------
Another fantastic story by our own Don Rosa! My congratulations, Don!
It is amazing how you manage to make such an entertaining story based
on the history of the "real world".
In addition to the historical facts, there are also a lot of small episodes,
or gags, that makes it so delightful to read. Especially the episode with
Magica at the end. It's hard to describe the moment when Magica is looking
at Donald, after shaking hands with him. And it was a very clever way to
solve Scrooge's problem.
The opening was really special. I'm used to see stories which starts very
calmly, and then builds up to the climax. Here we start at the top, and
climb! (I did note a little chicken with...).
A couple of other things I really liked was the jar in the museum, and the
bin of Croesus. The latter was really clever, and indeed quite obvious when
thinking of it after having read it.
Another thing I like with (some of) your stories are the gags that run
through the hole story, like Donald's song (and the TV watching in the
library story). That really made a wonderful gag at the end of the story
(it's hard to believe that Waterloo could have had the same effect).
I don't have enough knowledge of the area, or the history, to find any
mistakes in the story (and I don't want to find any :), but I'm quite sure
that the Germans call the city (with the park) "Munchen" (with a couple of
dots in appropriate places) and not "Munich".
BTW: If you were ever looking for gags that were _really_ lost in foreign
translations of your stories, there is a "good" one at the end of the
Norwegian version of "Cash flow": (something like)
"How can Anton do it in the comic business?"
Cussler
-------
I've just read the discussion of Cussler, whose name I very succsessfully
had forgotten, until you reminded me of it. He's certainly one of the worst
writers I've ever read. Especially the "Raise Titanic" is just plain stupid.
It's been made a movie too, based on that book. I see every movie and read
every book about Titanic that I can find (I'm working on a model of the ship.
It might be finished sometime... Fortunately there exist a lot of pictures of
Olympic, her sistership (pictures of Britannic aren't very useful, since
she was finished, in 1914, as a hospitalship. She was sunk before the war
ended)), so I really looked forward to see the movie when it was showed on
TV. I guess I shouldn't have had the movies "A night to remember" (based on
Walter Scott's "novel") and "S.O.S. Titanic" in mind when I saw it...
Tintin
------
Yes, I was indeed very confused by the redrawn stories before I found out
which ones were redrawn. I found myself going in circles when I tried to
determine which one were made before another one. I'm really glad he did
that redrawing, though, BTW.
Hog Haid Moe
------------
DAVID: I see that you intend to use him in your new story, but since you
ask for Xeroxes of him -- have you read any stories with this character?
If not, I would guess it would be difficult to use him. He has a very
distinct personality, and you should not forget his dog (and maybe his gun).
I think they belong together.
If noone else are helping you with those Xeroxes, I guess I could do it.
I'll just ask my father to do the copying, and send them to me (there are
a few stories with him among the Fethry stories I found the codes for, so I
can tell him which magazines to Xerox).
Enough for now. I'll be back :-)
Jorgen
Author
Topic: 199502
(185 messages)
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Croesus etc.
Message 1 -
1995-02-01 at 01:14:18
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #570.
Message 2 -
1995-02-01 at 07:41:14
JON C.:
Thank you and Vidar for his info on the Artesian Temple. His facts either
match what I found or he has interpretted my story to NOT match his info when it
does. Besides that, his info comes from one booklet where my info comes from
numerous historians' writings; in doing my research on this story (and the Lost
Library story) I found out that no two historians agree on anything, and I was
free to choose whichever interpretation fits my needs the best.
For instance, who built the Temple? It's impossible to say what Croesus
contributed and anyone who thinks he can is really just his guess against the
next guy's. What if Croesus came along when it was 75% done? He could still have
contributed that top column-barrel layer, of course, and that was all I needed.
As to the entire convoluted history of the Temple's possible builders or how
many times it was damaged and repaired, I can't possibly relate all that in a 28
page comic, nor is there any reason to do anything but tell as little as I need
to for my purposes.
My story says the "temple was unconquered" throughout the centuries in
that it was never destroyed, only plundered. I never said Ephesus was never
conquered. And each time invaders looted the Temple, the Temple still stood. It
was certainly not destroyed! They may have torn down the statues and furnishings
and perhaps even the gold roof, but they never touched the columns. The Temple
stood until the Christian Emporer of Byzantium dismantled it and carried most of
the columns to Constantinople, as I said. And as Vidar validates, British
colonials took what was left to London centuries later.
What I showed of the Temple's construction was totally accurate! It had
far more than a "double row of columns around the outside"; Vidar contradicts
himself on this point when he mentions the 36 front columns. The Temple was 8
columns wide in the front and 21 columns long, with the inner walls surrounded
by FOUR rows of columns in the front and back. There was an inner wall to house
the Temple's contents, but there were more columns INSIDE the building. It WAS
almost SOLID with columns... 127 total (there were a few columns stuck in doors
to spoil the symetry. I worked from a foundation plan made by the Temple
excavators so I KNOW my design was correct. Check the panel that Vidar sites --
I don't show the ENTIRE temple lay-out, just one portion of the front corner,
and my column rows are quite correct. As for the interior walls, $crooge had no
reason to reconstruct those even if he could have found the blocks which would
be impossible -- only the columns are recognizeable. Same goes for why I didn't
have him reconstruct the frieze even though that would have made my rebuilt
temple MUCH more impressive; I could think of no reason to have him rebuild
those parts, even though it would have made the place look MUCH better.
My depiction of the site of the Temple is taken directly from photos. Any
excavation and column restacking has taken place in recent years. And my date
for the discovery of the foundation is also correct. They TRIED to excavate the
place earlier, but no one found the actual site until 1905.
I can't imagine how Vidar can say that two cities which were knocked flat
and their rubble covered with many feet of silt were not "destroyed". They have
been excavated in recent years, dug out of the silt, and parts restacked, but
prior to that every building had been razed to bits and pieces. However, one
thing that I could NOT find in all my research was photos of the areas around
the Temple site or of Sardis' site -- I wish I could have talked to Vidar before
I drew those scenes to know what modern buildings and ancient ruins in the area
look like (though I know I got the trees and landscape correct) -- but it's too
late to correct those panels now, and since it doesn't involve the story or the
historical facts, it's okay. (Nonetheless, I always wish to be accurate even
when it's needlessly accurate... it's part of the fun.)
JORGEN:
You're right!!! Who'da thunk that in Munich they don't call Munich
Munich!?!? It's MUNCHEN (which I assume is sorta pronounced as "Myoo-nick"?).
But the real sin I committed was putting the name into the ART as part of a city
park sign! This detail cannot be corrected since the coloring is all done in
Denmark, and even if they tried tampering with the art for the German editions,
the COLORING would STILL SPELL "MUNICH". I wonder how they'll handle that
problem in the German editions? Hm... why can't the park be in some small German
town actually called "Munich"? No?
Thank you and Vidar for his info on the Artesian Temple. His facts either
match what I found or he has interpretted my story to NOT match his info when it
does. Besides that, his info comes from one booklet where my info comes from
numerous historians' writings; in doing my research on this story (and the Lost
Library story) I found out that no two historians agree on anything, and I was
free to choose whichever interpretation fits my needs the best.
For instance, who built the Temple? It's impossible to say what Croesus
contributed and anyone who thinks he can is really just his guess against the
next guy's. What if Croesus came along when it was 75% done? He could still have
contributed that top column-barrel layer, of course, and that was all I needed.
As to the entire convoluted history of the Temple's possible builders or how
many times it was damaged and repaired, I can't possibly relate all that in a 28
page comic, nor is there any reason to do anything but tell as little as I need
to for my purposes.
My story says the "temple was unconquered" throughout the centuries in
that it was never destroyed, only plundered. I never said Ephesus was never
conquered. And each time invaders looted the Temple, the Temple still stood. It
was certainly not destroyed! They may have torn down the statues and furnishings
and perhaps even the gold roof, but they never touched the columns. The Temple
stood until the Christian Emporer of Byzantium dismantled it and carried most of
the columns to Constantinople, as I said. And as Vidar validates, British
colonials took what was left to London centuries later.
What I showed of the Temple's construction was totally accurate! It had
far more than a "double row of columns around the outside"; Vidar contradicts
himself on this point when he mentions the 36 front columns. The Temple was 8
columns wide in the front and 21 columns long, with the inner walls surrounded
by FOUR rows of columns in the front and back. There was an inner wall to house
the Temple's contents, but there were more columns INSIDE the building. It WAS
almost SOLID with columns... 127 total (there were a few columns stuck in doors
to spoil the symetry. I worked from a foundation plan made by the Temple
excavators so I KNOW my design was correct. Check the panel that Vidar sites --
I don't show the ENTIRE temple lay-out, just one portion of the front corner,
and my column rows are quite correct. As for the interior walls, $crooge had no
reason to reconstruct those even if he could have found the blocks which would
be impossible -- only the columns are recognizeable. Same goes for why I didn't
have him reconstruct the frieze even though that would have made my rebuilt
temple MUCH more impressive; I could think of no reason to have him rebuild
those parts, even though it would have made the place look MUCH better.
My depiction of the site of the Temple is taken directly from photos. Any
excavation and column restacking has taken place in recent years. And my date
for the discovery of the foundation is also correct. They TRIED to excavate the
place earlier, but no one found the actual site until 1905.
I can't imagine how Vidar can say that two cities which were knocked flat
and their rubble covered with many feet of silt were not "destroyed". They have
been excavated in recent years, dug out of the silt, and parts restacked, but
prior to that every building had been razed to bits and pieces. However, one
thing that I could NOT find in all my research was photos of the areas around
the Temple site or of Sardis' site -- I wish I could have talked to Vidar before
I drew those scenes to know what modern buildings and ancient ruins in the area
look like (though I know I got the trees and landscape correct) -- but it's too
late to correct those panels now, and since it doesn't involve the story or the
historical facts, it's okay. (Nonetheless, I always wish to be accurate even
when it's needlessly accurate... it's part of the fun.)
JORGEN:
You're right!!! Who'da thunk that in Munich they don't call Munich
Munich!?!? It's MUNCHEN (which I assume is sorta pronounced as "Myoo-nick"?).
But the real sin I committed was putting the name into the ART as part of a city
park sign! This detail cannot be corrected since the coloring is all done in
Denmark, and even if they tried tampering with the art for the German editions,
the COLORING would STILL SPELL "MUNICH". I wonder how they'll handle that
problem in the German editions? Hm... why can't the park be in some small German
town actually called "Munich"? No?
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #570.
Message 3 -
1995-02-01 at 14:02:16
Hi, gang.
PER: Can you please send me another copy of digest #569? I
accidentally deleted it before reading it... (sigh)
AUGIE: Glad you liked my dialogue on "A Case of Too Much
Money." A bit more wordy than I like to be now, but I didn't think
anything was WRONG with it. On the other hand, I really liked the
plot myself and never once thought about why Scrooge didn't tell DD
why he wanted the Beagle Boys to break into the bin. In fact, I'll
admit (prepare your tomatoes) that this is a story I personally
selected for Gladstone to order and have me rewrite, after reading it
in a German edition. Oh, well.
I won't see US 291 until Friday (or maybe later), so I don't
know if the story was censored by Disney. In the big fight between
BBs and police, the police complained that their image was being
damaged, and one of them was firing a gun in the air. Meanwhile, my
name for the worthless foreign money was "Castrovian Rubleniks"
(printed in RED ink), taken from US 36's "Money Bag Goat." But I bet
it's been changed. I even mentioned how "Brutopia" took over
"Castrovia" in 1959. Any answers for me, folks?
Sounds like Gladstone managed to put a credit line for me in
there (or did you only know it was my doing, Augie, because I
mentioned it in the digest?). The artist, who it sounds like they
forgot to credit, is Vicar. I don't know who wrote the story
originally. (Say, if I can find out, maybe you can throw the
tomatoes at someone el -- [SPLAT!] -- er, >ptooey!< forget it!)
I'll be back pretty soon to tell you all what Disney did to my
dialoguing work in DDA 31, folks.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
PER: Can you please send me another copy of digest #569? I
accidentally deleted it before reading it... (sigh)
AUGIE: Glad you liked my dialogue on "A Case of Too Much
Money." A bit more wordy than I like to be now, but I didn't think
anything was WRONG with it. On the other hand, I really liked the
plot myself and never once thought about why Scrooge didn't tell DD
why he wanted the Beagle Boys to break into the bin. In fact, I'll
admit (prepare your tomatoes) that this is a story I personally
selected for Gladstone to order and have me rewrite, after reading it
in a German edition. Oh, well.
I won't see US 291 until Friday (or maybe later), so I don't
know if the story was censored by Disney. In the big fight between
BBs and police, the police complained that their image was being
damaged, and one of them was firing a gun in the air. Meanwhile, my
name for the worthless foreign money was "Castrovian Rubleniks"
(printed in RED ink), taken from US 36's "Money Bag Goat." But I bet
it's been changed. I even mentioned how "Brutopia" took over
"Castrovia" in 1959. Any answers for me, folks?
Sounds like Gladstone managed to put a credit line for me in
there (or did you only know it was my doing, Augie, because I
mentioned it in the digest?). The artist, who it sounds like they
forgot to credit, is Vicar. I don't know who wrote the story
originally. (Say, if I can find out, maybe you can throw the
tomatoes at someone el -- [SPLAT!] -- er, >ptooey!< forget it!)
I'll be back pretty soon to tell you all what Disney did to my
dialoguing work in DDA 31, folks.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Tobias Engel
Munchen
Message 4 -
1995-02-01 at 14:53:24
Hi all!
I'm new to this Mailinglist, so if I say something stupid or ask questions
that have been answered 100 times before - please tell me!
(And my English is not so good. I hope you understand me :)
I am from Germany, so I might be able to answer your questions about German
Disney-Comics.
About this "MUNCHEN with two dots over the 'U'"-thing:
It's really impossible to write it in English so that it is pronounced
correctly. (In the English language there are no equivalents to the
U-with-two-dots an the 'ch'.) I think the best possible translation to
English written language is "Mun-shen". (But not "Myoo-nick" as Don assumed!)
Here in the German weekly ("Micky Maus") they just wiped out the whole
"contents" of the Munich-Sign and replaced it with "Munchen".
DAVID:
Some days ago, you wrote that in your pork-story (Sorry, I forgot the English
name) in the last panel the pig in the front should be winking to HDL
and that this will be corrected for the Gladstone-Edition. In the German
weekly, there is already the corrected version!
The same thing happened to DON's Lo$2:
Don, you mentioned that the manufacturer's name on the plate of the safe
in Lo$2 was removed, so you replaced it with "Oso-Safe" for Gladstone.
But in the German album, the plate also says "Oso"!
Are they publishing the Gladstone-Versions here in Germany??
Perhaps, someone can tell me what's going on...
Tobias
(...yet another Trekkie in the Disney-Mailinglist!)
I'm new to this Mailinglist, so if I say something stupid or ask questions
that have been answered 100 times before - please tell me!
(And my English is not so good. I hope you understand me :)
I am from Germany, so I might be able to answer your questions about German
Disney-Comics.
About this "MUNCHEN with two dots over the 'U'"-thing:
It's really impossible to write it in English so that it is pronounced
correctly. (In the English language there are no equivalents to the
U-with-two-dots an the 'ch'.) I think the best possible translation to
English written language is "Mun-shen". (But not "Myoo-nick" as Don assumed!)
Here in the German weekly ("Micky Maus") they just wiped out the whole
"contents" of the Munich-Sign and replaced it with "Munchen".
DAVID:
Some days ago, you wrote that in your pork-story (Sorry, I forgot the English
name) in the last panel the pig in the front should be winking to HDL
and that this will be corrected for the Gladstone-Edition. In the German
weekly, there is already the corrected version!
The same thing happened to DON's Lo$2:
Don, you mentioned that the manufacturer's name on the plate of the safe
in Lo$2 was removed, so you replaced it with "Oso-Safe" for Gladstone.
But in the German album, the plate also says "Oso"!
Are they publishing the Gladstone-Versions here in Germany??
Perhaps, someone can tell me what's going on...
Tobias
(...yet another Trekkie in the Disney-Mailinglist!)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
DDA 31, etc.
Message 5 -
1995-02-01 at 16:04:59
Hi, folks.
Since I always want to get criticism and thoughts about my work
when it's published, I thought I'd mention here that the translated
Dutch story, titled "A Car-Gone Conclusion," in DDA 31 (a Ben
Verhagen tale about DD trying to sell used cars in the desert for
Scrooge) was my translation and dialogue. Translated from a German
edition way back in 1991, which shows just how long some things can
stay on the shelf. And after all this time... I didn't get credited
in the issue, which is kind of disappointing. (On the other hand,
Oberon didn't tell Gladstone who wrote the original script, so there
wasn't a credit there either.)
Disney changed a few lines:
"Imagine that coon-tail fluttering in the gentle zephyrs!" -->
"Imagine taking a Sunday drive in it! You'll turn every head on the
range, man AND beast!" Animal rights issue here? At least the new
line is good.
"Why, you BRATS! I'll peel you like onions!" --> "That does
it! I've had enough of your insults!" Disney doesn't like it when
anyone but Van Horn gives DD his temper. What do I say? "Doggone
yuh! Wak, wak wak wak waaaak wak!"
"I'm long past the age for courting college boys... or hadn't you
noticed?" --> "I'm long past the age for driving souped-up
hot-rods!" I guess Disney didn't like even the image of this old
crone desiring a 21-year-old boyfriend. Again, the new line is
pretty good here.
"Even I can sell anything with my MIND on the job -- and my
foot on the gas!" --> "Then, with my profits, I'm off for a long
vacation!" Yep, the last LINE of the story was changed and the gag
REMOVED. The story just sort of ends now. It doesn't end with a
bang. Why this was done eludes me, although the new line's not bad.
Gladstone's letterer LEFT OUT a balloon for Donald on the last
page, and it's very obvious (there's a huge open white space where it
should have been). DD is supposed to be saying, "You remember our
deal! I get the deed to the shop, AND the other cars!" As it
stands, when Donald talks of "pay" in the previous panel, it sounds
like what he wants is money! (Particularly when he's brought in bill
collectors to make sure he gets what he wants.) In fact, in the
original story U$ promised DD a $1000 bonus (!) for selling ALL the
cars -- never thinking he'd have to pay it -- but I just didn't think
Scrooge could make such a foolish move.
In retrospect, I think that this (and "A Case of Too Much
Money," which cooincidentally was also just published, not to mention
the Lentil story) is another one where I was a bit too wordy here and
there. Refreshing myself with some Barks, I'm dazed by how few words
he used to build a wonderful flavor and feel. He had a way of
telling stories that was simple, yet full of great wordplay and
richly enrapturing. I sometimes run off at the mouth (in my stories,
I mean, although also in the Digest!) by contrast. ;-)
I still fondly remember the night in February 1991 when, in my
junior year of high school, I was sitting at my parents' kitchen
table, crunching on some cereal while scripting the panel where DD says
that one auto "leaves everything behind" just as its rear bumper falls
off. It's sure a lot of fun to do these things, even if the end
product doesn't always reflect the original vision exactly. Despite
every indignity that Disney can inflict, I think everyone on this
list who writes stories -- or has wanted to write them -- agrees that
this sense of FUN, pure and simple, is most important when writing
Disney comics.
MARK: Did you get my letter? I still need your address, my
friend, to heave a big pile of British weeklies your way. Maybe my
letter wasn't sent, due to problems with my E-Mail system yesterday?
EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
belong to the song "Oklahoma" or the song "Spring Is Busting Out All
Over"? And are both of these songs from the musical "Oklahoma", or
is the latter one from somewhere else?
Back tomorrow, gang.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Since I always want to get criticism and thoughts about my work
when it's published, I thought I'd mention here that the translated
Dutch story, titled "A Car-Gone Conclusion," in DDA 31 (a Ben
Verhagen tale about DD trying to sell used cars in the desert for
Scrooge) was my translation and dialogue. Translated from a German
edition way back in 1991, which shows just how long some things can
stay on the shelf. And after all this time... I didn't get credited
in the issue, which is kind of disappointing. (On the other hand,
Oberon didn't tell Gladstone who wrote the original script, so there
wasn't a credit there either.)
Disney changed a few lines:
"Imagine that coon-tail fluttering in the gentle zephyrs!" -->
"Imagine taking a Sunday drive in it! You'll turn every head on the
range, man AND beast!" Animal rights issue here? At least the new
line is good.
"Why, you BRATS! I'll peel you like onions!" --> "That does
it! I've had enough of your insults!" Disney doesn't like it when
anyone but Van Horn gives DD his temper. What do I say? "Doggone
yuh! Wak, wak wak wak waaaak wak!"
"I'm long past the age for courting college boys... or hadn't you
noticed?" --> "I'm long past the age for driving souped-up
hot-rods!" I guess Disney didn't like even the image of this old
crone desiring a 21-year-old boyfriend. Again, the new line is
pretty good here.
"Even I can sell anything with my MIND on the job -- and my
foot on the gas!" --> "Then, with my profits, I'm off for a long
vacation!" Yep, the last LINE of the story was changed and the gag
REMOVED. The story just sort of ends now. It doesn't end with a
bang. Why this was done eludes me, although the new line's not bad.
Gladstone's letterer LEFT OUT a balloon for Donald on the last
page, and it's very obvious (there's a huge open white space where it
should have been). DD is supposed to be saying, "You remember our
deal! I get the deed to the shop, AND the other cars!" As it
stands, when Donald talks of "pay" in the previous panel, it sounds
like what he wants is money! (Particularly when he's brought in bill
collectors to make sure he gets what he wants.) In fact, in the
original story U$ promised DD a $1000 bonus (!) for selling ALL the
cars -- never thinking he'd have to pay it -- but I just didn't think
Scrooge could make such a foolish move.
In retrospect, I think that this (and "A Case of Too Much
Money," which cooincidentally was also just published, not to mention
the Lentil story) is another one where I was a bit too wordy here and
there. Refreshing myself with some Barks, I'm dazed by how few words
he used to build a wonderful flavor and feel. He had a way of
telling stories that was simple, yet full of great wordplay and
richly enrapturing. I sometimes run off at the mouth (in my stories,
I mean, although also in the Digest!) by contrast. ;-)
I still fondly remember the night in February 1991 when, in my
junior year of high school, I was sitting at my parents' kitchen
table, crunching on some cereal while scripting the panel where DD says
that one auto "leaves everything behind" just as its rear bumper falls
off. It's sure a lot of fun to do these things, even if the end
product doesn't always reflect the original vision exactly. Despite
every indignity that Disney can inflict, I think everyone on this
list who writes stories -- or has wanted to write them -- agrees that
this sense of FUN, pure and simple, is most important when writing
Disney comics.
MARK: Did you get my letter? I still need your address, my
friend, to heave a big pile of British weeklies your way. Maybe my
letter wasn't sent, due to problems with my E-Mail system yesterday?
EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
belong to the song "Oklahoma" or the song "Spring Is Busting Out All
Over"? And are both of these songs from the musical "Oklahoma", or
is the latter one from somewhere else?
Back tomorrow, gang.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 6 -
1995-02-01 at 17:00:54
Fabio wrote (with David as my witness) on Dec.17.th. about...
> all the things I have to send you, Ole: they will leave next week.
To my daily disappointment nothing has arrived. Did you send it?
In spite of turning 30 in the process, I can assure you that I am
alive and well, and unusually liquid these days; up here we call it
'universal(ly) solvent':)
Harry:
> I did not get a *recent* letter from you, about tree-structures or anything.
> [...] files on ftp, I limited the size of a file to 64K. [...] will contain
> 7 files, the Dutch 16, the Gladstone index 6, and the Western (Dell/Gold Key)
> index will contain 18 files!
My current version of the Danish Index [...] subdirectory [...]
AA.DK, MM.DK, OJ.DK [...] ISO-646 [...] column 32 [...] simple.
Actually, I don't even have regular access to a terminal or PC
at all right now, but I *will* *SOON* acquire a such item.
Or die trying.
I'm hoping to talk to you on a more regular basis than this on it.
Jacob asked the list:
> Where should this info [index data] be stored (should it?)?
> I suppose some reformatting is needed, but what?
...and you have contacted me a couple of times, offering your help
with indexing the Danish pocket books. You are very welcome,
a huge personal e-mail should reach you along with this.
Re: "The Croesus Mess" vs. "Horse in a Hurry"
Mikko:
> Your "Treasury of Croesus" was also printed in the Finnish Donald Duck
> issue 1/1995, which [...] "Horsing around with history" was in.
Don:
> They put my "Treasury of Croesus" story in the same issue with
> Barks' "Horsing Around with History"? Very interesting. [...]
> When I did my story over a year ago, I had no idea [...]
> [...] I'm very interested in that!
Me both too; I wasn't even *asked* to renew my subscription...
Comparing D 94003 and D94012 I find the similarities striking,
with an overwhelming overweight in Don's favor. The central scenes,
for instance, with Troy respective Lydia revisited and Treasure Found,
were as memorable in ToC as (disappointingly) rapidly read and forgotten
in HAwH. Now Schliemann, wasn't he the one who dug out Mykene?
There are some old - probably Egmont owned - scripts about Agamemnon
and his merry family that really needs new dialogue and an artist!
:)
Fredrik:
> Van Horn should stick to the gag-filled ten-to-twelve
> pagers that he is best at.
Ditto too.
I noticed in Carl Barks & Co. that Barks had originally wanted Daan Jippes
to draw the story, but that Egmont told Barks that Jippes was 'unavailable',
i.e. not working for Egmont at the moment...
But now Jippes knows that he's Barks' first choise for his next story(!)
Stop press: Just in today; an interesting WvH U$ serial from 1992!
David:
> [...] my first Duck story of the year. [...] use Moe in my stories,
> [..] send me a [...] story with Moe [...] show Egmont how to draw him.
The latest publication I know of with him is Danish 'Super Extra 8'
which reprints 'Hiding in Trainrobber's Gulch' (S 1014!?)
I'm looking forward to a revival of this memorable character.
Paulo:
> About FAQs about Moe and Fethry: good idea! I hope all
> users will approve them.
I already have a Paperinik (no English name yet?) FAQ ready, and could
dig up some data on those mentioned. Other creatures discussed recently
- Ellmore, Moby Duck and the legion of illegitimate nephews - would be
nice to have too.
Business is rotten in Denmark:
We happy people of Brutopia know no rare duck-books as such. Second hand
shops sell weeklies about ten years back at about a quarter, and with
pesistence you can dig out 20 year old issues. From the mid-sixties and
back they cost from a dollar to maybe a couple of hundred bucks - first
issue only and declining rapidly for the following, as the first couple of
volumes have been photographically reprinted.
Otherwise only the popular Jumbo Books (264 paged full color monthly
pocket book at approximately 4.95$) are reprinted (and kept at stock).
The hardcover Xmas pocket previously discussed here has replaced the
BIG white books. I guess sales had dropped with overall quality;
the 20 books published since 1974 were priced from 15 to 50$, and
instead of Barks, Taliaferro, Murry and Gottfredson the later books
were no more than glorified Jumbos - reformatted to 6 strips...
These, as well as the so far 11 Golden Books with pure Barks, are
hard to come by.
Not much of a merchandize fan, my mind drifted during the discourse
on bubblegum vendors. I was wondering if the booming trade/game card
industry had approached Disney for a licence. The only card I have is
Yellowbeak. Is he a flying creature, wooden leg and all?
> "Sure, they burned the building, but the <
> books were already checked out." <
> It's the greatest storehouse of knowledge ever known, <
> and it's been guarded and enlarged, in greatest secrecy, <
> for more than a thousand years. <
The Library at Alexandria,
Steve Jackson's Illuminati - New World Order
#### Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen att. lrn at daimi.aau.dk ####
> all the things I have to send you, Ole: they will leave next week.
To my daily disappointment nothing has arrived. Did you send it?
In spite of turning 30 in the process, I can assure you that I am
alive and well, and unusually liquid these days; up here we call it
'universal(ly) solvent':)
Harry:
> I did not get a *recent* letter from you, about tree-structures or anything.
> [...] files on ftp, I limited the size of a file to 64K. [...] will contain
> 7 files, the Dutch 16, the Gladstone index 6, and the Western (Dell/Gold Key)
> index will contain 18 files!
My current version of the Danish Index [...] subdirectory [...]
AA.DK, MM.DK, OJ.DK [...] ISO-646 [...] column 32 [...] simple.
Actually, I don't even have regular access to a terminal or PC
at all right now, but I *will* *SOON* acquire a such item.
Or die trying.
I'm hoping to talk to you on a more regular basis than this on it.
Jacob asked the list:
> Where should this info [index data] be stored (should it?)?
> I suppose some reformatting is needed, but what?
...and you have contacted me a couple of times, offering your help
with indexing the Danish pocket books. You are very welcome,
a huge personal e-mail should reach you along with this.
Re: "The Croesus Mess" vs. "Horse in a Hurry"
Mikko:
> Your "Treasury of Croesus" was also printed in the Finnish Donald Duck
> issue 1/1995, which [...] "Horsing around with history" was in.
Don:
> They put my "Treasury of Croesus" story in the same issue with
> Barks' "Horsing Around with History"? Very interesting. [...]
> When I did my story over a year ago, I had no idea [...]
> [...] I'm very interested in that!
Me both too; I wasn't even *asked* to renew my subscription...
Comparing D 94003 and D94012 I find the similarities striking,
with an overwhelming overweight in Don's favor. The central scenes,
for instance, with Troy respective Lydia revisited and Treasure Found,
were as memorable in ToC as (disappointingly) rapidly read and forgotten
in HAwH. Now Schliemann, wasn't he the one who dug out Mykene?
There are some old - probably Egmont owned - scripts about Agamemnon
and his merry family that really needs new dialogue and an artist!
:)
Fredrik:
> Van Horn should stick to the gag-filled ten-to-twelve
> pagers that he is best at.
Ditto too.
I noticed in Carl Barks & Co. that Barks had originally wanted Daan Jippes
to draw the story, but that Egmont told Barks that Jippes was 'unavailable',
i.e. not working for Egmont at the moment...
But now Jippes knows that he's Barks' first choise for his next story(!)
Stop press: Just in today; an interesting WvH U$ serial from 1992!
David:
> [...] my first Duck story of the year. [...] use Moe in my stories,
> [..] send me a [...] story with Moe [...] show Egmont how to draw him.
The latest publication I know of with him is Danish 'Super Extra 8'
which reprints 'Hiding in Trainrobber's Gulch' (S 1014!?)
I'm looking forward to a revival of this memorable character.
Paulo:
> About FAQs about Moe and Fethry: good idea! I hope all
> users will approve them.
I already have a Paperinik (no English name yet?) FAQ ready, and could
dig up some data on those mentioned. Other creatures discussed recently
- Ellmore, Moby Duck and the legion of illegitimate nephews - would be
nice to have too.
Business is rotten in Denmark:
We happy people of Brutopia know no rare duck-books as such. Second hand
shops sell weeklies about ten years back at about a quarter, and with
pesistence you can dig out 20 year old issues. From the mid-sixties and
back they cost from a dollar to maybe a couple of hundred bucks - first
issue only and declining rapidly for the following, as the first couple of
volumes have been photographically reprinted.
Otherwise only the popular Jumbo Books (264 paged full color monthly
pocket book at approximately 4.95$) are reprinted (and kept at stock).
The hardcover Xmas pocket previously discussed here has replaced the
BIG white books. I guess sales had dropped with overall quality;
the 20 books published since 1974 were priced from 15 to 50$, and
instead of Barks, Taliaferro, Murry and Gottfredson the later books
were no more than glorified Jumbos - reformatted to 6 strips...
These, as well as the so far 11 Golden Books with pure Barks, are
hard to come by.
Not much of a merchandize fan, my mind drifted during the discourse
on bubblegum vendors. I was wondering if the booming trade/game card
industry had approached Disney for a licence. The only card I have is
Yellowbeak. Is he a flying creature, wooden leg and all?
> "Sure, they burned the building, but the <
> books were already checked out." <
> It's the greatest storehouse of knowledge ever known, <
> and it's been guarded and enlarged, in greatest secrecy, <
> for more than a thousand years. <
The Library at Alexandria,
Steve Jackson's Illuminati - New World Order
#### Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen att. lrn at daimi.aau.dk ####
H.W. Fluks
Dutch splash panels
Message 7 -
1995-02-01 at 18:13:02
Don asked about splash panels in Lo$ 8:
> what was being said in the caption boxes in the Dutch issue where
> those caption boxes barged into the story for no reason?
Here are some bad translations.
Mammoth panel:
"In the middle of the cave, Scrooge is face to face with a giant mammoth -
the ICE MONSTER! But the mammoth himself is literally nailed to the ground,
because not even a hair of this enormous animal is moving..."
Dawson panel:
"The gold fever, to which Dawson thanks its explosive growth, is demanding
its pay. A hard-working gold digger who walks here with his wel-earned
revenue in his pockets, is not sure of his life!"
So the captions actually add almost no extra information, but use a lot
of words.
But it could have been worse: the Dutch have been quite creative in filling
in these captions. I remember a Ducktales story, where Scrooge is chased
by some crooks. The opening text of the second part is something like:
"And then there was a chase that lasted at least three pages. Since
that would be very boring to show, we pick up the story when Scrooge
arrives at..."
--Harry.
> what was being said in the caption boxes in the Dutch issue where
> those caption boxes barged into the story for no reason?
Here are some bad translations.
Mammoth panel:
"In the middle of the cave, Scrooge is face to face with a giant mammoth -
the ICE MONSTER! But the mammoth himself is literally nailed to the ground,
because not even a hair of this enormous animal is moving..."
Dawson panel:
"The gold fever, to which Dawson thanks its explosive growth, is demanding
its pay. A hard-working gold digger who walks here with his wel-earned
revenue in his pockets, is not sure of his life!"
So the captions actually add almost no extra information, but use a lot
of words.
But it could have been worse: the Dutch have been quite creative in filling
in these captions. I remember a Ducktales story, where Scrooge is chased
by some crooks. The opening text of the second part is something like:
"And then there was a chase that lasted at least three pages. Since
that would be very boring to show, we pick up the story when Scrooge
arrives at..."
--Harry.
Dave Rawson
"Toot Suite"
Message 8 -
1995-02-01 at 22:12:08
DAVID GERSTEIN:
Yes, I'm the same Dave Rawson that wrote "Toot Suite" for Warner
Bros. I didn't know that it had ever seen print, though, nor have I
ever seen art for it. Thanks for the alert.
I can be reached at "Dave.Rawson at Salata.com"
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 88
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Yes, I'm the same Dave Rawson that wrote "Toot Suite" for Warner
Bros. I didn't know that it had ever seen print, though, nor have I
ever seen art for it. Thanks for the alert.
I can be reached at "Dave.Rawson at Salata.com"
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 88
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #2
Message 9 -
1995-02-01 at 22:30:00
Donald Duck & Co #2 1995
------------------------
OK, here it is.
In the lead story (D93519, 10 pages) Daisy has got a big beast of
a dog. Donald tries to make the dog happy, to make Daisy happy. It
doesn't work exactly the way he planned to. Donald plans to steal
the dog, and after a while he'll return it to Daisy, and tell her
he found it. He steals the wrong dog...
This story is actually quite good.
The second story is a Mickey story (D93518, 8 pages). It's a Zoom
story, but not as bad as they use to be. MM and Goofy are hired by
a woman to find her husband, Mr. Livingstone, who's disappeared in
the jungle. The woman and her son come with them, and don't exactly
make it easier to find the man. Goofy is planning what he's going to
say to Mr. Livingstone all the time, and is almost paralyzed when
Mickey says it before him.
In the third story (D93223, 4 pages) Donald is selling funny signs,
which people can hang in ,or on, their houses (like: Fishing forbidden
in the bath tube). He's trying to sell one to neighboor Jones.
This one is good.
Then a Beagle Boys story (D93091, 6 pages). They buy a guide book
which is supposed to tell them which houses are worth to brake into.
The BB thinks the stars in the book (from one to seven) are supposed
to tell them where the biggest values are. Later, when they are in
prison, they find out that the stars tell which places are more and
less difficult to brake into.
Then a halfpager (W/WDC 111 J). Looks like a late Taliaferro strip.
Then comes part two of "Race to the South Seas". It is Daan Jippes'
version. I can see that now after having studied the redrawn JWW
stories. Why was it redrawn?
Since it is presented as a Barks classic, I think they should have
told about the redrawing too. They (Hjemmet) did that with one of
the JWW stories.
The last "story" is a DD one-pager (KF 9.23.45).
Jorgen
------------------------
OK, here it is.
In the lead story (D93519, 10 pages) Daisy has got a big beast of
a dog. Donald tries to make the dog happy, to make Daisy happy. It
doesn't work exactly the way he planned to. Donald plans to steal
the dog, and after a while he'll return it to Daisy, and tell her
he found it. He steals the wrong dog...
This story is actually quite good.
The second story is a Mickey story (D93518, 8 pages). It's a Zoom
story, but not as bad as they use to be. MM and Goofy are hired by
a woman to find her husband, Mr. Livingstone, who's disappeared in
the jungle. The woman and her son come with them, and don't exactly
make it easier to find the man. Goofy is planning what he's going to
say to Mr. Livingstone all the time, and is almost paralyzed when
Mickey says it before him.
In the third story (D93223, 4 pages) Donald is selling funny signs,
which people can hang in ,or on, their houses (like: Fishing forbidden
in the bath tube). He's trying to sell one to neighboor Jones.
This one is good.
Then a Beagle Boys story (D93091, 6 pages). They buy a guide book
which is supposed to tell them which houses are worth to brake into.
The BB thinks the stars in the book (from one to seven) are supposed
to tell them where the biggest values are. Later, when they are in
prison, they find out that the stars tell which places are more and
less difficult to brake into.
Then a halfpager (W/WDC 111 J). Looks like a late Taliaferro strip.
Then comes part two of "Race to the South Seas". It is Daan Jippes'
version. I can see that now after having studied the redrawn JWW
stories. Why was it redrawn?
Since it is presented as a Barks classic, I think they should have
told about the redrawing too. They (Hjemmet) did that with one of
the JWW stories.
The last "story" is a DD one-pager (KF 9.23.45).
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #3
Message 10 -
1995-02-01 at 22:33:53
Donald Duck & Co #3 1995
------------------------
In the lead story (D92547, 12 pages) Daisy is angry at Donald
because he didn't show up at dinner with her, as he promised.
He tells her that he was attacked by a dinosaur... He was.
By an "accident" he's transported to a parallel universe by
a machine constructed by Gyro. He ends up at the dinner table
whith a lot of barbarians sitting around it (they look a bit
like vikings, but their helmets have horns). In this world there
are dinosaurs. Donald also meets Gyro, who also were transported
there by accident.
Quite good, but the gag at the ending is stupid. Art by Vicar.
The second story is about Madam Mim (D92490, 6 pages). She's
having trouble with her flying brush.
Boring.
Then a one-pager with Donald (D92056). Now, this is interesting!
It's drawn in a very Barks-like style, even with pictures on the
wall with lot of portraits in them. It's about Donald critisizing
his neighboor for not delivering a drill he's borrowed from Donald.
The neighboor tells Donald to deliver a lot of things that he's
borrowed from the neighboor.
The fourth story is a Mickey story (D92544, 8 pages).
MM and goofy are solving a mystery at a perfume factory.
Bad, really bad.
Then a Goofy one-pager. He's using Clarabelles hair drier to melt
the ice, so the birds can have a bath.
Then a half-pager with Donald (W/WDC 111).
Taliaferro.
Then comes part 3 of "Race to the South Seas". This is the last
part.
Last is a one-pager with Pluto (KF 12.10.39).
The article about Don Rosa is in this issue.
Jorgen
------------------------
In the lead story (D92547, 12 pages) Daisy is angry at Donald
because he didn't show up at dinner with her, as he promised.
He tells her that he was attacked by a dinosaur... He was.
By an "accident" he's transported to a parallel universe by
a machine constructed by Gyro. He ends up at the dinner table
whith a lot of barbarians sitting around it (they look a bit
like vikings, but their helmets have horns). In this world there
are dinosaurs. Donald also meets Gyro, who also were transported
there by accident.
Quite good, but the gag at the ending is stupid. Art by Vicar.
The second story is about Madam Mim (D92490, 6 pages). She's
having trouble with her flying brush.
Boring.
Then a one-pager with Donald (D92056). Now, this is interesting!
It's drawn in a very Barks-like style, even with pictures on the
wall with lot of portraits in them. It's about Donald critisizing
his neighboor for not delivering a drill he's borrowed from Donald.
The neighboor tells Donald to deliver a lot of things that he's
borrowed from the neighboor.
The fourth story is a Mickey story (D92544, 8 pages).
MM and goofy are solving a mystery at a perfume factory.
Bad, really bad.
Then a Goofy one-pager. He's using Clarabelles hair drier to melt
the ice, so the birds can have a bath.
Then a half-pager with Donald (W/WDC 111).
Taliaferro.
Then comes part 3 of "Race to the South Seas". This is the last
part.
Last is a one-pager with Pluto (KF 12.10.39).
The article about Don Rosa is in this issue.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #4
Message 11 -
1995-02-01 at 22:37:20
Donald Duck & Co #4 1995
------------------------
I think I'll change the format of these reviews a little. It's so
boring to say "then comes", "next is" etc. all the time, so I'm
standardizing it a bit.
- Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
company. His job is to live in a very small house at the top of a
mountain, and report the weather to the company. They forget to
send him food, and therefore he goes out in the forest to try to
find a lake, so he can do some fishing. He loses his map, and is
chased by a bear and a wolf. Then he finds a hous with other
people. At first this looks very good. They like to have guests,
but they have very strong traditions...
At the ending they take over Donald job, and Donald finds this to
be a very good solution.
A good story.
- Goofy (D93112, 7 pages). Goofy finds a hat in his attic that makes
him a genius. The idea isn't bad, but... maybe it has been used
just a little too many times.
- HDD (D91338, 2 pages). HDD are having fun with throwing snowballs
at a man. Later they get a flu, and Donald calls the doctor, who
shows up to be...
- Beagle Boys continuation story (D93474, 7 pages). I guess you
already know this story, David. They are going to a school for
criminals, where they're supposed to learn how to brake into
banks etc.
Boring.
- Donald Duck one-pager (KF 12.29.46).
Extra issue #1 1995
-------------------
- Uncle Scrooge (D94012, 24 pages). This is Don's Croesus story.
- Donald Duck (AR 108, 10 pages). This is Don's "Fit to be Pied".
A magazine with only Don Rosa stories. Great!
Well, that change in the format wasn't very big, but it leaves out
some meaningless words.
Jorgen
------------------------
I think I'll change the format of these reviews a little. It's so
boring to say "then comes", "next is" etc. all the time, so I'm
standardizing it a bit.
- Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
company. His job is to live in a very small house at the top of a
mountain, and report the weather to the company. They forget to
send him food, and therefore he goes out in the forest to try to
find a lake, so he can do some fishing. He loses his map, and is
chased by a bear and a wolf. Then he finds a hous with other
people. At first this looks very good. They like to have guests,
but they have very strong traditions...
At the ending they take over Donald job, and Donald finds this to
be a very good solution.
A good story.
- Goofy (D93112, 7 pages). Goofy finds a hat in his attic that makes
him a genius. The idea isn't bad, but... maybe it has been used
just a little too many times.
- HDD (D91338, 2 pages). HDD are having fun with throwing snowballs
at a man. Later they get a flu, and Donald calls the doctor, who
shows up to be...
- Beagle Boys continuation story (D93474, 7 pages). I guess you
already know this story, David. They are going to a school for
criminals, where they're supposed to learn how to brake into
banks etc.
Boring.
- Donald Duck one-pager (KF 12.29.46).
Extra issue #1 1995
-------------------
- Uncle Scrooge (D94012, 24 pages). This is Don's Croesus story.
- Donald Duck (AR 108, 10 pages). This is Don's "Fit to be Pied".
A magazine with only Don Rosa stories. Great!
Well, that change in the format wasn't very big, but it leaves out
some meaningless words.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #5
Message 12 -
1995-02-01 at 22:39:17
Donald Duck & Co #5 1995
------------------------
Sorry, David. No "Pork-Barrel Politics" here. It doesn't seem to be in
the next one either.
- Uncle Scrooge (D92174, 12 pages). US and HDD are going to South America
(Yukana) because there is a gold rush there.
Just stupid. Lots of bad gags.
- Gyro Gearloose (D93197, 6 pages). Daisy is learning him to cook.
Boring.
- Mickey Mouse (D92426, 9 pages). Mickey finds out that the owner of a
gallery, where Minnie works, is a criminal.
Stupid and boring.
- Donald Duck (W/M.O.C. 4-1947, 2 pages). I guess you all know this story.
It was published in DDAiC #6.
- Beagle Boys (D93474, 7 pages). Second, and last part of the story.
The end is really bad.
- Donald Duck one-pages (KF 8.18.46).
That was a really bad issue. Even with that Barks story.
Jorgen
------------------------
Sorry, David. No "Pork-Barrel Politics" here. It doesn't seem to be in
the next one either.
- Uncle Scrooge (D92174, 12 pages). US and HDD are going to South America
(Yukana) because there is a gold rush there.
Just stupid. Lots of bad gags.
- Gyro Gearloose (D93197, 6 pages). Daisy is learning him to cook.
Boring.
- Mickey Mouse (D92426, 9 pages). Mickey finds out that the owner of a
gallery, where Minnie works, is a criminal.
Stupid and boring.
- Donald Duck (W/M.O.C. 4-1947, 2 pages). I guess you all know this story.
It was published in DDAiC #6.
- Beagle Boys (D93474, 7 pages). Second, and last part of the story.
The end is really bad.
- Donald Duck one-pages (KF 8.18.46).
That was a really bad issue. Even with that Barks story.
Jorgen
Dwight Decker
Don & David
Message 13 -
1995-02-01 at 23:27:40
DON ROSA:
The German name for the city of Munich, Muenchen (or Munchen with the
two dots over the "u"), is pronounced something like "Meunchen," not
at all like Munich. I've sometimes wondered if L. Frank Baum got his
"Munchkins" from the German pronunciation of that city. It's hard to
convey the exact pronunciation in print, of course, but Munich is
miles away, pronunciation-wise. There was an issue of the DC WWII-era
superhero comic STEEL years ago in which writer Gerry Conway was
clearly convinced that Muenchen was the old spelling of the city's
name but the modern spelling is Munich, but that was an erroneous
impression on his part.
DAVID GERSTEIN:
I just got the latest UNCLE SCROOGE with your latest Danish rescript
story (oh, there was something in that issue by that Rosa fellow,
but I'm too awestruck by it to say anything worthwhile). One comment
I could make is that I noticed you left in somebody saying "Phew!"
I've run into this myself so many times with translations and edit
jobs I've done for Gladstone and Egmont, even when the original
script was written in English to begin with. "Whew" is what's meant,
as far as I can tell, and that's how I render it. I'm not sure
anybody in English-speaking countries even says "Phew," and it kinda
looks like "pee-yuu," an expression of disgust rather than relief.
Just my two Kronor worth...
THE GUYS IN DENMARK:
I finished reading that Christmas Classics book I bought in Denmark
last November, the one called "Fra Alle Os Til Alle Jer" (from all
of us to all of you). For the rest of you, it's a small hardcover
book (actually a cheap form of hardcover, without dust jacket and
a kind of plastic-coated cardboard cover) reprinting a bunch of
Italian-produced Disney stories with Christmas themes. The best
story in the book was the last one, in which Black Pete's cute
little niece comes to visit and she makes friends with Morty and
Ferdie, the upshot being that Mickey and Pete declare a Christmas
truce so the kids can enjoy the holidays (the niece doesn't know
that her beloved Uncle Pete is really a desperate criminal, so
Mickey and his nephews agree not to tell her). This was actually
pretty well done: so much so that I'm tempted to recommend that
Gladstone pick it up and run it next Yuletide. The only thing is
that the story carries a lot of Italian-office baggage: Pete
being married and living in the same neighborhood as Mickey,
but apparently childless and not being consistent with the
Goof Troop set-up. Oh well, it's a cute story and it actually
sorta touched me, so I'm sure people here would enjoy it.
--Dwight Decker
The German name for the city of Munich, Muenchen (or Munchen with the
two dots over the "u"), is pronounced something like "Meunchen," not
at all like Munich. I've sometimes wondered if L. Frank Baum got his
"Munchkins" from the German pronunciation of that city. It's hard to
convey the exact pronunciation in print, of course, but Munich is
miles away, pronunciation-wise. There was an issue of the DC WWII-era
superhero comic STEEL years ago in which writer Gerry Conway was
clearly convinced that Muenchen was the old spelling of the city's
name but the modern spelling is Munich, but that was an erroneous
impression on his part.
DAVID GERSTEIN:
I just got the latest UNCLE SCROOGE with your latest Danish rescript
story (oh, there was something in that issue by that Rosa fellow,
but I'm too awestruck by it to say anything worthwhile). One comment
I could make is that I noticed you left in somebody saying "Phew!"
I've run into this myself so many times with translations and edit
jobs I've done for Gladstone and Egmont, even when the original
script was written in English to begin with. "Whew" is what's meant,
as far as I can tell, and that's how I render it. I'm not sure
anybody in English-speaking countries even says "Phew," and it kinda
looks like "pee-yuu," an expression of disgust rather than relief.
Just my two Kronor worth...
THE GUYS IN DENMARK:
I finished reading that Christmas Classics book I bought in Denmark
last November, the one called "Fra Alle Os Til Alle Jer" (from all
of us to all of you). For the rest of you, it's a small hardcover
book (actually a cheap form of hardcover, without dust jacket and
a kind of plastic-coated cardboard cover) reprinting a bunch of
Italian-produced Disney stories with Christmas themes. The best
story in the book was the last one, in which Black Pete's cute
little niece comes to visit and she makes friends with Morty and
Ferdie, the upshot being that Mickey and Pete declare a Christmas
truce so the kids can enjoy the holidays (the niece doesn't know
that her beloved Uncle Pete is really a desperate criminal, so
Mickey and his nephews agree not to tell her). This was actually
pretty well done: so much so that I'm tempted to recommend that
Gladstone pick it up and run it next Yuletide. The only thing is
that the story carries a lot of Italian-office baggage: Pete
being married and living in the same neighborhood as Mickey,
but apparently childless and not being consistent with the
Goof Troop set-up. Oh well, it's a cute story and it actually
sorta touched me, so I'm sure people here would enjoy it.
--Dwight Decker
Wilmer Rivers
Song lyrics in Disney comics?
Message 14 -
1995-02-02 at 03:16:00
David Gerstein posts:
EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
belong to the song "Oklahoma" or the song "Spring Is Busting Out All
Over"? And are both of these songs from the musical "Oklahoma", or
is the latter one from somewhere else?
I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune? Somehow,
that doesn't sound at all right either, so maybe it's from some com-
pletely different Rogers and Hammerstein song. I wish I had a recording
of "Oklahoma" to check, but I don't. And the other song you mention
is "**June** is Bustin' Out All Over", not "Spring", and it's from
"Carousel". The reason I'm replying to the list rather than to you is
that I'm curious about how these lyrics (which would be copyrighted by
the Oscar Hammerstein estate) could be used in a Disney comic. Don
Rosa reported that his use of "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh Mah Darlin'" had
to be truncated before the last word, and he also had trouble using
"Lydia, oh Lydia, oh have you seen Lydia" in his most recent story.
Didn't you report a similar incident? How then could you use the lyrics
about which you are inquiring?
Wilmer Rivers
EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
belong to the song "Oklahoma" or the song "Spring Is Busting Out All
Over"? And are both of these songs from the musical "Oklahoma", or
is the latter one from somewhere else?
I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune? Somehow,
that doesn't sound at all right either, so maybe it's from some com-
pletely different Rogers and Hammerstein song. I wish I had a recording
of "Oklahoma" to check, but I don't. And the other song you mention
is "**June** is Bustin' Out All Over", not "Spring", and it's from
"Carousel". The reason I'm replying to the list rather than to you is
that I'm curious about how these lyrics (which would be copyrighted by
the Oscar Hammerstein estate) could be used in a Disney comic. Don
Rosa reported that his use of "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh Mah Darlin'" had
to be truncated before the last word, and he also had trouble using
"Lydia, oh Lydia, oh have you seen Lydia" in his most recent story.
Didn't you report a similar incident? How then could you use the lyrics
about which you are inquiring?
Wilmer Rivers
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #571.
Message 15 -
1995-02-02 at 08:11:13
TOBIAS:
Hi.
I'm not sure what you read that I said about the name plate on that safe
in Lo$ #2... but I had originally written "Oso Safe" on the thing, and that was
removed, probably from the original art (since that's how they operate, treating
originals as if they had no more worth than a xerox). Therefore ALL photostats
of the story that have gone out have also had "Oso Safe" deleted. And, in fact,
it is also deleted from the Gladstone version, contrary to what you seem to
imply. Actually (just as with the earlier European editions) they just sorta
smeared the name plate so that you can just tell what it used to say if you
already knew. And in one panel where it is VERY tiny, they left it along.
Anyway... no, the German editions of those stories do not and CAN not use
the Gladstone versions. First of all, though the Germans are running behind the
rest of Europe on the Lo$, they are still AHEAD of Gladstone. Also, Gladstone
gets the same art as everyone else... they only color it differently. And though
I wish the Germans COULD use Gladstone's VASTLY superior coloring, the two color
systems are totally incompatible and cannot be shared.
And to confuse me further, the German edition DOES have the "Oso Safe"
nameplate smeared to illegibility the same as all other editions.
("Oso Safe" is, of course, Barks' old name for $crooge's preferred safe
manufacturer.)
Hi.
I'm not sure what you read that I said about the name plate on that safe
in Lo$ #2... but I had originally written "Oso Safe" on the thing, and that was
removed, probably from the original art (since that's how they operate, treating
originals as if they had no more worth than a xerox). Therefore ALL photostats
of the story that have gone out have also had "Oso Safe" deleted. And, in fact,
it is also deleted from the Gladstone version, contrary to what you seem to
imply. Actually (just as with the earlier European editions) they just sorta
smeared the name plate so that you can just tell what it used to say if you
already knew. And in one panel where it is VERY tiny, they left it along.
Anyway... no, the German editions of those stories do not and CAN not use
the Gladstone versions. First of all, though the Germans are running behind the
rest of Europe on the Lo$, they are still AHEAD of Gladstone. Also, Gladstone
gets the same art as everyone else... they only color it differently. And though
I wish the Germans COULD use Gladstone's VASTLY superior coloring, the two color
systems are totally incompatible and cannot be shared.
And to confuse me further, the German edition DOES have the "Oso Safe"
nameplate smeared to illegibility the same as all other editions.
("Oso Safe" is, of course, Barks' old name for $crooge's preferred safe
manufacturer.)