DWIGHT: As with any Egmont story I do without being asked to
do it by Gladstone, "A Case of Too Much Money" was taken from the
German, not from the original British-English script. I used the
word "Phew" because I sometimes say it! ;-)
JORGEN: So "Pork-Barrel" wasn't in #5? That's strange,
because....
TOBIAS: You say that my pig tale HAS been published in
Germany!!! I have NO access to the German issues right now, but
German is the only foreign language I can read well, and I would
REALLY like to own a copy of the story! Is there any way you can
send me a copy of the comic? It must be on sale NOW! (And please
tell me which issue it is, too, as soon as you can. My best friend
from the U. S. has also moved to Germany, and I've gotta call him and
tell him that it's been published, too. I'd ask HIM to send me the
comic, but I'm not SURE that I'll be able to get in touch with him
while it's still on sale... you on the other hand, have E-Mail!) ;-)
Welcome to the list, by the way, Tobias. Glad to have another
reader of the German comics aboard. By the way, I desperately need
the issue (around 49/1994?) which printed my "Two in One" (D93138)...
or at least a xerox of the story. I'd pay good money for THAT, too.
JORGEN AGAIN: I agree about the poor quality of the recent
Mickey stories -- except for the one about the art gallery (D92426,
"Minnie's New Job"). In English, excellent dialogue saves it. But
it's NOT good enough to see print in the States by any means.
The Gyro cooking story (D93197) isn't bad either. The dialogue
again is very good and it has a nifty title, too: "Fear of Frying."
The British magazine names the stories inside on the cover, so
I can already see that next week's issue announces "Mickey the
Detective in 'Phantom Bob Returns'". Sigh. Anina bragged to me that
the Mickey stories were getting better, but the recent offerings have
really been bad.
Paperinik in English is named Superduck. But that can only be a
British name, as in the States there is already a Superduck character
(Archie Comics owns him, and still uses him once in a blue moon). We
should really have an "en-gb" line in our interlingual file, because
some characters are really called different things in Britain.
Gyro's Helper, for example, is named Filament!
Until tomorrow...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Author
Topic: 199502
(185 messages)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #571.
Message 16 -
1995-02-02 at 13:40:50
H.W. Fluks
Jo/rgen, Ole, David in digest #571.
Message 17 -
1995-02-02 at 14:04:55
Jo/rgen:
========
> Then comes part two of "Race to the South Seas". It is Daan Jippes'
> version. I can see that now after having studied the redrawn JWW
> stories. Why was it redrawn?
Original proofs were not available anymore. Jippes redrew the story
from a xerox copy of a copy of .. of a copy of the original comic.
This was done in 1975. Around that time, the Dutch editors wanted to
(re)print ALL of Barks's works. This meant some of the rarest stories
had to be redrawn.
David reported there is an Italian version of this story, NOT redrawn by
Jippes. But I don't know the status of that.
> Since it is presented as a Barks classic, I think they should have
> told about the redrawing too.
They probably don't even know about that. In the Carl Barks Library,
the redrawing is not mentioned. (!)
> - Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
> company.
You probably know this already (or could look it up in the Database):
Script is by Jan Kruse, art by Mark de Jonge (who was quite good
at the time). "Zo is dat!"
> - Uncle Scrooge (D94012, 24 pages). This is Don's Croesus story.
This reminds me of our Don Rosa index. It hasn't been updated for months.
We could use some Scandinavian updates on Don's recent stories!
Any volunteers?
Ole (RoC):
==========
> I'm hoping to talk to you on a more regular basis than this on it.
I hope so too! It has been a long time, and I'm very curious about your
Danish index and your remarks on "my" Dizni Database!
> The latest publication I know of with [Moe] is Danish 'Super Extra 8'
> which reprints 'Hiding in Trainrobber's Gulch' (S 1014!?)
Why do you put a !? there? It's a perfectly normal code (the 14th story
the Disney Studio produced in 1971).
> Other creatures discussed recently - Ellmore, [...]
Let's not get confused: the bird's name is ELLSWORTH.
David:
======
> the translated Dutch story, titled "A Car-Gone Conclusion," in DDA 31
...was originally written by Ruud Straatman. If the Dutch editor didn't
deliver the credits, WE could have!
--Harry.
========
> Then comes part two of "Race to the South Seas". It is Daan Jippes'
> version. I can see that now after having studied the redrawn JWW
> stories. Why was it redrawn?
Original proofs were not available anymore. Jippes redrew the story
from a xerox copy of a copy of .. of a copy of the original comic.
This was done in 1975. Around that time, the Dutch editors wanted to
(re)print ALL of Barks's works. This meant some of the rarest stories
had to be redrawn.
David reported there is an Italian version of this story, NOT redrawn by
Jippes. But I don't know the status of that.
> Since it is presented as a Barks classic, I think they should have
> told about the redrawing too.
They probably don't even know about that. In the Carl Barks Library,
the redrawing is not mentioned. (!)
> - Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
> company.
You probably know this already (or could look it up in the Database):
Script is by Jan Kruse, art by Mark de Jonge (who was quite good
at the time). "Zo is dat!"
> - Uncle Scrooge (D94012, 24 pages). This is Don's Croesus story.
This reminds me of our Don Rosa index. It hasn't been updated for months.
We could use some Scandinavian updates on Don's recent stories!
Any volunteers?
Ole (RoC):
==========
> I'm hoping to talk to you on a more regular basis than this on it.
I hope so too! It has been a long time, and I'm very curious about your
Danish index and your remarks on "my" Dizni Database!
> The latest publication I know of with [Moe] is Danish 'Super Extra 8'
> which reprints 'Hiding in Trainrobber's Gulch' (S 1014!?)
Why do you put a !? there? It's a perfectly normal code (the 14th story
the Disney Studio produced in 1971).
> Other creatures discussed recently - Ellmore, [...]
Let's not get confused: the bird's name is ELLSWORTH.
David:
======
> the translated Dutch story, titled "A Car-Gone Conclusion," in DDA 31
...was originally written by Ruud Straatman. If the Dutch editor didn't
deliver the credits, WE could have!
--Harry.
Trygve
Song lyrics in Disney comics?
Message 18 -
1995-02-02 at 15:40:18
David Gerstein:
> EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
>"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
Wilmer Rivers:
>I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
>"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune?
The lyrics you describe are from the title song, "Oklahoma" and not "Oh what
a beautiful Morning."
Tryg
(The recovered Minnesota Trekkie)
> EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
>"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
Wilmer Rivers:
>I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
>"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune?
The lyrics you describe are from the title song, "Oklahoma" and not "Oh what
a beautiful Morning."
Tryg
(The recovered Minnesota Trekkie)
Trygve
Song lyrics in Disney comics?
Message 19 -
1995-02-02 at 15:44:12
David Gerstein:
> EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
>"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
Wilmer Rivers:
>I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
>"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune?
The lyrics you describe are from the title song, "Oklahoma" and not "Oh what
a beautiful Morning."
Tryg
(The recovered Minnesota Trekkie)
> EVERYONE: In regards to a new story, let me ask: Do the lines
>"We'll sit and talk/and watch a hawk/Turning lazy circles in the sky"
Wilmer Rivers:
>I'm not sure, but if it is in fact from "Oklahoma" then isn't it from
>"Oh What a Beautiful Morning" rather than the title tune?
The lyrics you describe are from the title song, "Oklahoma" and not "Oh what
a beautiful Morning."
Tryg
(The recovered Minnesota Trekkie)
Per Starback
[Bjorn Are:] History and pulp!
Message 20 -
1995-02-02 at 17:55:23
[This message from Bjorn Are got lost due to some technical problems.
Sorry about that. Since I had to resend it anyway I took the liberty
of reformatting the text to avoid lines longer than 80 characters. /Per]
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:08:13 +0100
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.hk.telenor.no
Subject: History and pulp!
Thank you, Vidar, for your Historical info! And to Jon C. for submitting it
This is exactly the kind of thing I love to see and discuss in a
digest, and I really hope Disney Digest (and Don!) will provide us
with a lot of opportunities for continuing this!
I haven't had time myself to check with the guide books and
archaelogical reference works I bought in Turkey in 88, so I
appreciate it being summed up in this way!
BTW - this "House of Saint Mary" is a rather late thing, stemming from
nothing earlier than the last century, I think, even if "officially
recognised" by the Pope (as they told us at the place) . However, as
there are a lot of stories about John and his mother living in the
great city of Epehsos, there may has been a house of Mary somewhere in
the city.
And as Hagia Sophia (in it's overwhelming (viewed from the inside)
present form (after a fire having destroyed the 4th century church)
was build in the 530's, the Artemis columns must have been stored for
some time, if the n'th version of the temple was taken apart by Leo 1.
And of course Ephesos in 57 was one of the major Roman cities! I guess
it must have been a misspelling for 57 BC or 157 BC or something (I
havent' checked the ecact dates), Don, when the Romans fought for
dominance in Asia Minor against the inheritors of Alexander's
generals?
And to Fredrik:
Clive Cussler (you'll find his works in the bestseller shelf in any
book store) may not be the World's Worst Pulp Writer Ever, however,
there is a STRIKING contrast between his GREAT plots and BAD writing.
His worst? "Inca Gold"! Or "Sahara", if you're not into cannibalism,
spitefull attacks on African dictators, French magnates and gruesome
revenges. The only thing Cussler doesn't go for is explicit sex
scenes, being too eager to please the average American book reader, I
believe.
Bjorn Are
Sorry about that. Since I had to resend it anyway I took the liberty
of reformatting the text to avoid lines longer than 80 characters. /Per]
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:08:13 +0100
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.hk.telenor.no
Subject: History and pulp!
Thank you, Vidar, for your Historical info! And to Jon C. for submitting it
This is exactly the kind of thing I love to see and discuss in a
digest, and I really hope Disney Digest (and Don!) will provide us
with a lot of opportunities for continuing this!
I haven't had time myself to check with the guide books and
archaelogical reference works I bought in Turkey in 88, so I
appreciate it being summed up in this way!
BTW - this "House of Saint Mary" is a rather late thing, stemming from
nothing earlier than the last century, I think, even if "officially
recognised" by the Pope (as they told us at the place) . However, as
there are a lot of stories about John and his mother living in the
great city of Epehsos, there may has been a house of Mary somewhere in
the city.
And as Hagia Sophia (in it's overwhelming (viewed from the inside)
present form (after a fire having destroyed the 4th century church)
was build in the 530's, the Artemis columns must have been stored for
some time, if the n'th version of the temple was taken apart by Leo 1.
And of course Ephesos in 57 was one of the major Roman cities! I guess
it must have been a misspelling for 57 BC or 157 BC or something (I
havent' checked the ecact dates), Don, when the Romans fought for
dominance in Asia Minor against the inheritors of Alexander's
generals?
And to Fredrik:
Clive Cussler (you'll find his works in the bestseller shelf in any
book store) may not be the World's Worst Pulp Writer Ever, however,
there is a STRIKING contrast between his GREAT plots and BAD writing.
His worst? "Inca Gold"! Or "Sahara", if you're not into cannibalism,
spitefull attacks on African dictators, French magnates and gruesome
revenges. The only thing Cussler doesn't go for is explicit sex
scenes, being too eager to please the average American book reader, I
believe.
Bjorn Are
Per Starback
[Harry] Muenchen
Message 21 -
1995-02-02 at 18:01:27
[This message from Harry got lost due to some technical problems.
Sorry about that. /Per]
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 13:00:21 +0100
From: H.W. Fluks <fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl>
Subject: Muenchen
Don:
> It's MUNCHEN (which I assume is sorta pronounced as "Myoo-nick"?).
Not at all. The U with dots is pronounced like the French u (with which
English speaking people always have trouble). The 'ch' is also hard to
pronounce for foreigners (who mostly think it's a "sh"). Maybe a best
approximation in English is Munn-shann (?)
--Harry
(from The Netherlands)
Sorry about that. /Per]
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 13:00:21 +0100
From: H.W. Fluks <fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl>
Subject: Muenchen
Don:
> It's MUNCHEN (which I assume is sorta pronounced as "Myoo-nick"?).
Not at all. The U with dots is pronounced like the French u (with which
English speaking people always have trouble). The 'ch' is also hard to
pronounce for foreigners (who mostly think it's a "sh"). Maybe a best
approximation in English is Munn-shann (?)
--Harry
(from The Netherlands)
Fredrik Ekman
Disney-comics digest #571.
Message 22 -
1995-02-02 at 18:09:13
On Thu, 2 Feb 1995, DAVID.A.GERSTEIN wrote:
> We should really have an "en-gb" line in our interlingual file, because
> some characters are really called different things in Britain.
> Gyro's Helper, for example, is named Filament!
Well, I have been considering the issue. The one problem, however, is
that if you wanted to use my simple but functional "extract" utility for
the en-gb category, you would either have to copy all names that do not
differ (ie have one en-gb and one en-us (and maybe one en-au) category in
the list) or make some very ugly fix in the program itself.
Again, this may be totally unnecessary since the /#"@&$ program does not
work anyway. It seems my list has grown so large that it somehow screws
up memory management. Perhaps that could be solved simply by using
another method of compilation (or another compiler) but I do not have the
time or energy to do even that.
Anyway, I think that the few existing differences can simply be put in
bracketed comments for the time being.
/F
> We should really have an "en-gb" line in our interlingual file, because
> some characters are really called different things in Britain.
> Gyro's Helper, for example, is named Filament!
Well, I have been considering the issue. The one problem, however, is
that if you wanted to use my simple but functional "extract" utility for
the en-gb category, you would either have to copy all names that do not
differ (ie have one en-gb and one en-us (and maybe one en-au) category in
the list) or make some very ugly fix in the program itself.
Again, this may be totally unnecessary since the /#"@&$ program does not
work anyway. It seems my list has grown so large that it somehow screws
up memory management. Perhaps that could be solved simply by using
another method of compilation (or another compiler) but I do not have the
time or energy to do even that.
Anyway, I think that the few existing differences can simply be put in
bracketed comments for the time being.
/F
Fredrik Ekman
From RoC
Message 23 -
1995-02-02 at 18:34:28
> I already have a Paperinik (no English name yet?) FAQ ready, and could
> dig up some data on those mentioned. Other creatures discussed recently
> - Ellmore, Moby Duck and the legion of illegitimate nephews - would be
> nice to have too.
The Legion of Illegitimate Nephews (LoIN?) already has (have?) a FAQ of
sorts. It is on the FTP site somewhere in the characters directory. It
is also in HTML format on Per's WWW pages.
/F
PS. Thanks, Harry, for making sure that that Ell-something bird did not
make me confused again.
> dig up some data on those mentioned. Other creatures discussed recently
> - Ellmore, Moby Duck and the legion of illegitimate nephews - would be
> nice to have too.
The Legion of Illegitimate Nephews (LoIN?) already has (have?) a FAQ of
sorts. It is on the FTP site somewhere in the characters directory. It
is also in HTML format on Per's WWW pages.
/F
PS. Thanks, Harry, for making sure that that Ell-something bird did not
make me confused again.
Steve Crooks
Phew
Message 24 -
1995-02-02 at 19:00:29
RE: Phew
From this US English speaking person's perspective, "phew" and "whew" are
interchangable for the most part. In fact, I prefer "phew", which I
pronounce such that it rhymes with "whew", simply because to me it sounds more
like the sound it is supposed to represent.
--
--Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
From this US English speaking person's perspective, "phew" and "whew" are
interchangable for the most part. In fact, I prefer "phew", which I
pronounce such that it rhymes with "whew", simply because to me it sounds more
like the sound it is supposed to represent.
--
--Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
9475609
Disney-comics digest #571.
Message 25 -
1995-02-02 at 19:56:38
Dear Folks,
A few comments about the Danish issues Jorgen told us about. I
couldn't resist. But first:
"Race to the South Seas" was redrawn, first of all, because proofs
to the original story no longer exist.
That reminds me... I have some bad news to break to all of you.
Fabio and I did find a usable version of the original "Darkest Africa"
in Italy in December, but it was TOO LATE for Gladstone to stop the
presses on their coming album reprint of the story! They did make
copies of the original version for their files and will send the copy
back to you, Fabio, but until some time in the future, the Dick Vlottes
version will remain the only one in print. That's just the way it is.
>The second story is a Mickey story (D93518, 8 pages).
This story is the first published Egmont work of Scott Saavedra,
who left Jaime Diaz' studio to do work for them last year. His art
isn't extremely bad, but I think his supporting characters are generally
too ugly and he sometimes uses too much shading.
>Then a Beagle Boys story (D93091, 6 pages).
This was in the British weekly about six weeks ago, which shows
you that the Danes aren't necessarily the first to use something. The
fact that "Pork-Barrel Politics" appeared in Germany this week is
further proof of that.
>- Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
>company. His job is to live in a very small house at the top of a
>mountain, and report the weather to the company....
This basic premise, although not what happens afterward, is
identical to that of an Egmont story of the 1970s ("In the Talons of the
Roc," printed in DDAD 16 in the States). Sounds like the rest of the
story could be a lot better!
>- Goofy (D93112, 7 pages).
In English this story's called "Highbrow Hat." I agree, it's not
so bad, but NOT very original. And I don't like the art. Anyway, Anina
Bennett rewrote the last panel. Goofy was originally saying "Being a
genius ain't fer me -- I'm glad I'm an idiot." Anina couldn't believe
that a writer had Goofy say that, so she altered it. Tony Strobl once
had Goofy call himself "stupid" too, and it hurt. (In "The Two
Musketeers + 1," WDC 299)
>- HDD (D91338, 2 pages).
Don't you mean HDL, not HDD? Anyway, this is a redrawn version of
a Mickey and Minnie Sunday strip of 1933! (With MM and Minnie in HDL's
roles.)
RoC:
>Jippes knows that he's Barks' first choise for his next >story(!)
>Stop press: Just in today; an interesting WvH U$ serial from 1992!
What is this next story? Do you know something about it? And
what is the WvH US serial you mention?
>The only card I have is Yellowbeak. Is he a flying creature, wooden leg
>and all?
Old Yellow Beak -- from DDOS 9, "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold" --
can't fly. He's completely humanized, aside from his size. In the very
first script for the abandoned film "Morgan's Ghost," Yellow Beak was
DD's pet, but by the time it became a comic story, he was as parrotlike
as Donald is ducklike. When I used Yellow Beak last year, I treated him
as an old sailor who just happens to be a parrot.
TOBIAS:
I don't know how "OSO" came to be on a German safe, but I'm
guessing that the winking pig in my "Pork-Barrel Politics" must have
been altered by Egmont JUST before the story went to color separation --
and after they mailed me copies of the artwork.
Could you tell me what the story is called in German, or what the
pigs are named?
Back tomorrow, folks (this time, I mean it!)
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
A few comments about the Danish issues Jorgen told us about. I
couldn't resist. But first:
"Race to the South Seas" was redrawn, first of all, because proofs
to the original story no longer exist.
That reminds me... I have some bad news to break to all of you.
Fabio and I did find a usable version of the original "Darkest Africa"
in Italy in December, but it was TOO LATE for Gladstone to stop the
presses on their coming album reprint of the story! They did make
copies of the original version for their files and will send the copy
back to you, Fabio, but until some time in the future, the Dick Vlottes
version will remain the only one in print. That's just the way it is.
>The second story is a Mickey story (D93518, 8 pages).
This story is the first published Egmont work of Scott Saavedra,
who left Jaime Diaz' studio to do work for them last year. His art
isn't extremely bad, but I think his supporting characters are generally
too ugly and he sometimes uses too much shading.
>Then a Beagle Boys story (D93091, 6 pages).
This was in the British weekly about six weeks ago, which shows
you that the Danes aren't necessarily the first to use something. The
fact that "Pork-Barrel Politics" appeared in Germany this week is
further proof of that.
>- Donald Duck (H8474, 15 pages). Donald gets a job in an airline
>company. His job is to live in a very small house at the top of a
>mountain, and report the weather to the company....
This basic premise, although not what happens afterward, is
identical to that of an Egmont story of the 1970s ("In the Talons of the
Roc," printed in DDAD 16 in the States). Sounds like the rest of the
story could be a lot better!
>- Goofy (D93112, 7 pages).
In English this story's called "Highbrow Hat." I agree, it's not
so bad, but NOT very original. And I don't like the art. Anyway, Anina
Bennett rewrote the last panel. Goofy was originally saying "Being a
genius ain't fer me -- I'm glad I'm an idiot." Anina couldn't believe
that a writer had Goofy say that, so she altered it. Tony Strobl once
had Goofy call himself "stupid" too, and it hurt. (In "The Two
Musketeers + 1," WDC 299)
>- HDD (D91338, 2 pages).
Don't you mean HDL, not HDD? Anyway, this is a redrawn version of
a Mickey and Minnie Sunday strip of 1933! (With MM and Minnie in HDL's
roles.)
RoC:
>Jippes knows that he's Barks' first choise for his next >story(!)
>Stop press: Just in today; an interesting WvH U$ serial from 1992!
What is this next story? Do you know something about it? And
what is the WvH US serial you mention?
>The only card I have is Yellowbeak. Is he a flying creature, wooden leg
>and all?
Old Yellow Beak -- from DDOS 9, "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold" --
can't fly. He's completely humanized, aside from his size. In the very
first script for the abandoned film "Morgan's Ghost," Yellow Beak was
DD's pet, but by the time it became a comic story, he was as parrotlike
as Donald is ducklike. When I used Yellow Beak last year, I treated him
as an old sailor who just happens to be a parrot.
TOBIAS:
I don't know how "OSO" came to be on a German safe, but I'm
guessing that the winking pig in my "Pork-Barrel Politics" must have
been altered by Egmont JUST before the story went to color separation --
and after they mailed me copies of the artwork.
Could you tell me what the story is called in German, or what the
pigs are named?
Back tomorrow, folks (this time, I mean it!)
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Nisse J. Krenchel
Carl Barks & Co.
Message 26 -
1995-02-02 at 21:49:29
I have send this once to the Disney-list, but somehow it never appeared in the
digest - so
I'm trying again...
DON
You are right, I guess it was The Weasel, van Horn is actually the only
duckman on the
acknowledgement-list who didn't write an article - why he is acknowledged I
don't know...
Content of Carl Barks & Co. - one shot 22:
Foreword: Fred Milton & Benny Boedker Nielsen
Carl Barks in a European Conversation, Interview made in Amsterdam, July
14th. 1994, by ?
Meeting Carl Barks in Norway, by Geir Hasnes
Denmark, by Fred Milton
Finland, by Markku Saarinen
Sweden, by Olof Siverbo & Anders Berglund, NAFS(k)- Swedish Donaldist Org.
Germany, by Wolfgang J. Fuchs, free-lance translator
Italy, by Luca Boschi, columnist and artist
France, by Didier Ghez
Holland, by Frank Jonker, Disney writer
Carl Barks in London, Mads Stouman
What Carl Barks means to me:
- It was so wonderful at the country side, by Soeren Pedersen, Fantask
(comics shop)
- I am so old, by Jesper Klein, entertainer
- What Barks means to me, by Byron Erickson, Editor
- Salute to Barks, by Vicar, duckman
- Letter to the Maestro, by Branca, duckman
- Testament to Barks, by Rune Kidde, comics creator
- Education by Barks, by Steffen Kronborg, librarian
- Education on Barks, by Thomas Berger, editor
Barks Essay, by Dan Jippes, artist
+ lots of duck-illustrations in honor of Barks
Venlig hilsen
Nisse
digest - so
I'm trying again...
DON
You are right, I guess it was The Weasel, van Horn is actually the only
duckman on the
acknowledgement-list who didn't write an article - why he is acknowledged I
don't know...
Content of Carl Barks & Co. - one shot 22:
Foreword: Fred Milton & Benny Boedker Nielsen
Carl Barks in a European Conversation, Interview made in Amsterdam, July
14th. 1994, by ?
Meeting Carl Barks in Norway, by Geir Hasnes
Denmark, by Fred Milton
Finland, by Markku Saarinen
Sweden, by Olof Siverbo & Anders Berglund, NAFS(k)- Swedish Donaldist Org.
Germany, by Wolfgang J. Fuchs, free-lance translator
Italy, by Luca Boschi, columnist and artist
France, by Didier Ghez
Holland, by Frank Jonker, Disney writer
Carl Barks in London, Mads Stouman
What Carl Barks means to me:
- It was so wonderful at the country side, by Soeren Pedersen, Fantask
(comics shop)
- I am so old, by Jesper Klein, entertainer
- What Barks means to me, by Byron Erickson, Editor
- Salute to Barks, by Vicar, duckman
- Letter to the Maestro, by Branca, duckman
- Testament to Barks, by Rune Kidde, comics creator
- Education by Barks, by Steffen Kronborg, librarian
- Education on Barks, by Thomas Berger, editor
Barks Essay, by Dan Jippes, artist
+ lots of duck-illustrations in honor of Barks
Venlig hilsen
Nisse
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Fethry codes ++
Message 27 -
1995-02-02 at 23:11:47
Takk til Per for a ha satt meg listen igjen. Ikke noe a si pa
responstiden der. Jeg fikk mail (til listen) omtrent fem minutter
etter at jeg hadde sendt mailen til Per :-)
HARRY:
>You probably know this already (or could look it up in the Database)
I planned to, but suddenly I somehow found myself in a hurry, so I
didn't have time to check it.
BTW, I think I will wait a little longer between each mail next time
I send several at once. They appeared in the wrong order. Not that it
means so much, though.
HARRY again:
>This reminds me of our Don Rosa index. It hasn't been updated for months.
I'm working on a Norwegian index, but it won't be finished for a while.
It's not difficult to make any late updates, though. The Croesus story, and
the older pie story are the only ones that have been published here for a
looong time.
DAVID, I still think those stories were bad, especially the Mickey story.
BTW: Are there often Gyro stories in the British weekly?
DAVID:
>"'Phantom Bob Returns'"
Phantom who? In the Norwegian issue there is a panel, from that story
(I guess), which shows The Phantom Blot torturing Mickey with a feather.
I do not look forward to see that story...
Fethry stories
--------------
Here are the codes of some Fethry stories. Most of them were published
in Norway in the early seventies. There are a lot of stories in older
issues too, but I haven't had time to find them yet. Fethry's first
appearance in Norway was in 1963, BTW.
D2550
S0011 S0015 S0078 S0139 S2422 S74150 S9094 S13150
T701 T703 T915
X0053 X0100 X5024 X6012 X6071 X6103 X6107 X6148 X7011 X7148
X7153 X7168 X7194 X7212 X8054 X8055 X8059 X8088 X8205 X8227
X9034 X9063 X9087 X9111
And a few stories with Hog Haid Moe:
------------------------------------
S74146 S74150
X1048 X8055 X8139 X8191
Hjemmet has started to give the codes for the front covers now. Are you
interested in those, DAVID (or anyone else)?
And, ah yes, DAVID. I've sent that DD&Co with "Two in one". I hope it will
reach you, because I forgot to put my own address on the envelope.
I put into it a facsimile of an old issue too. In 1979 and 1980 Hjemmet
published a series of facsimiles of the first DD&Co magazines. This one is
a facsimile of #3 1950. I looks quite nice (and I had six of them...).
Jorgen
responstiden der. Jeg fikk mail (til listen) omtrent fem minutter
etter at jeg hadde sendt mailen til Per :-)
HARRY:
>You probably know this already (or could look it up in the Database)
I planned to, but suddenly I somehow found myself in a hurry, so I
didn't have time to check it.
BTW, I think I will wait a little longer between each mail next time
I send several at once. They appeared in the wrong order. Not that it
means so much, though.
HARRY again:
>This reminds me of our Don Rosa index. It hasn't been updated for months.
I'm working on a Norwegian index, but it won't be finished for a while.
It's not difficult to make any late updates, though. The Croesus story, and
the older pie story are the only ones that have been published here for a
looong time.
DAVID, I still think those stories were bad, especially the Mickey story.
BTW: Are there often Gyro stories in the British weekly?
DAVID:
>"'Phantom Bob Returns'"
Phantom who? In the Norwegian issue there is a panel, from that story
(I guess), which shows The Phantom Blot torturing Mickey with a feather.
I do not look forward to see that story...
Fethry stories
--------------
Here are the codes of some Fethry stories. Most of them were published
in Norway in the early seventies. There are a lot of stories in older
issues too, but I haven't had time to find them yet. Fethry's first
appearance in Norway was in 1963, BTW.
D2550
S0011 S0015 S0078 S0139 S2422 S74150 S9094 S13150
T701 T703 T915
X0053 X0100 X5024 X6012 X6071 X6103 X6107 X6148 X7011 X7148
X7153 X7168 X7194 X7212 X8054 X8055 X8059 X8088 X8205 X8227
X9034 X9063 X9087 X9111
And a few stories with Hog Haid Moe:
------------------------------------
S74146 S74150
X1048 X8055 X8139 X8191
Hjemmet has started to give the codes for the front covers now. Are you
interested in those, DAVID (or anyone else)?
And, ah yes, DAVID. I've sent that DD&Co with "Two in one". I hope it will
reach you, because I forgot to put my own address on the envelope.
I put into it a facsimile of an old issue too. In 1979 and 1980 Hjemmet
published a series of facsimiles of the first DD&Co magazines. This one is
a facsimile of #3 1950. I looks quite nice (and I had six of them...).
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
David + White books
Message 28 -
1995-02-03 at 01:20:42
Since David's letter just came, I can't resist answering it :-)
DAVID:
> This story is the first published Egmont work of Scott Saavedra,
>who left Jaime Diaz'
And that makes me ask: What is the Jaime Diaz' studio doing these days?
The few S-stories made now can't be enough for running the studio? Are
they doing other things than Disney?
>Anina couldn't believe that a writer had Goofy say that
No, that's not fair to Goofy, because he's got a special mind. He can't
be hypnertized.
>"The Two Musketeers + 1," WDC 299
Is this one of the stories where Horace is the king and Clarabelle is
the queen? The two other musketeers are Mickey and Donald.
>Don't you mean HDL
Of course. I just had the Norwegian "ODD" on my mind...
And something else:
The white books and the Christmas book
--------------------------------------
That hardcover Christmas book is certainly cheap. It cost about (maybe
exactly, don't remember) the same as the usual pocket books.
So, this is replacing the white books. That's good. They were no fun
anymore, but still quite expensive.
BTW: Some years ago DAMM (a Norwegian publisher) published a book about
the size of an album, but much thicker. It contained only Italian stories.
The special thing with this book was that they gave credits to the artists.
HARRY told some time ago about the Pirate Gold story in one of the white
books. One panel was upside down. What book is this? That story is in none
of the (white) books I've got. It's in the first one of the golden books
(this one is actually the only one that _is_ golden) here in Norway, but
there it is in it's original form.
What OLE says about the market for older comics in Denmark goes mostly
for Norway too.
Jorgen
DAVID:
> This story is the first published Egmont work of Scott Saavedra,
>who left Jaime Diaz'
And that makes me ask: What is the Jaime Diaz' studio doing these days?
The few S-stories made now can't be enough for running the studio? Are
they doing other things than Disney?
>Anina couldn't believe that a writer had Goofy say that
No, that's not fair to Goofy, because he's got a special mind. He can't
be hypnertized.
>"The Two Musketeers + 1," WDC 299
Is this one of the stories where Horace is the king and Clarabelle is
the queen? The two other musketeers are Mickey and Donald.
>Don't you mean HDL
Of course. I just had the Norwegian "ODD" on my mind...
And something else:
The white books and the Christmas book
--------------------------------------
That hardcover Christmas book is certainly cheap. It cost about (maybe
exactly, don't remember) the same as the usual pocket books.
So, this is replacing the white books. That's good. They were no fun
anymore, but still quite expensive.
BTW: Some years ago DAMM (a Norwegian publisher) published a book about
the size of an album, but much thicker. It contained only Italian stories.
The special thing with this book was that they gave credits to the artists.
HARRY told some time ago about the Pirate Gold story in one of the white
books. One panel was upside down. What book is this? That story is in none
of the (white) books I've got. It's in the first one of the golden books
(this one is actually the only one that _is_ golden) here in Norway, but
there it is in it's original form.
What OLE says about the market for older comics in Denmark goes mostly
for Norway too.
Jorgen
Hyung Hwan Chung
No subject
Message 29 -
1995-02-03 at 04:46:17
help
HELP
HELP
Anders Engwall
Fethry codes
Message 30 -
1995-02-03 at 10:59:05
Jorgen sent the codes for a bunch of Fethry and Moe stories, but why stop there?...
Some grepping on the Swedish index files and on the additional material that
has not (yet) been added yields the following list of Fethry and Moe stories,
which might be useful as a some kind of basis for further discussions. Beware
though that this list is written with the 8-bit Latin-1 character set, which
might generate some weird looking characters on your screen.
66-39f W WDC 304-?5 3 TS MA Trollpacka och topp-brud [Ap: DD, FE]
66-40b W DD 105-?3 9 TS DD Kusin Knase kommer p} bes|k [Ap: FE, 1st in Western comics] [**10 PAGES??]
67-12b W DD 106-07 9+ TS DD Med kusin Knase p} djungelresa [Ap: FE]
69-27b S 68191 10 TS DD Skogs-Ola i skolan [Ap: HBC, US]
69-39b S 68144 7 TS DD Pang i skogen [Ap: FE, HBC]
69-46b S 68139 9 TS DD Antikhandlarna [Ap: FE, HBC, US]
71-03e S 68055 6 TS DD Den dyra v{gen till framg}ng [Ap: FE, HBC]
71-46g S 66011 5 AH FE Gamle Dille kommer igen [Ap: DD]
72-47b S 70022 8 TS DD Busliv bland buskar [Ap: FE, US]
72-49b S 71281 6 TS US Extrakn{ck v{ck [Ap: FE, DD]
73-04c D 2245 9 US Stopp, t{nk p} n}'t annat... [Ap: FE, DD]
73-11f S 67045 4 TS US P} sightseeing [Ap: FE]
73-16b S 71405 6 TS DD Fastl}st [Ap: FE, US] [Orig.pg: 7]
73-31b D 2550 6 FE En kitslig bilinspekt|r
74-01b S 70139 5 TS US Misstaget [Ap: FE, DD]
74-03b S 72292 6 TS DA Pang-nytt [Ap: US, FE, DD]
74-07b S 71055 7 TS HDL Den gr|n-n{bbade tr{dknackaren [Ap: HBC]
74-12c S 70015 9 TS US P} spr}ng [Ap: FE, DD]
74-22b S 70157 4 TS FE Semester-miss [Ap: DD, US]
74-41b S 68207 6 TS DD Dold kamera [Ap: FE, US, DA]
74-49f I 915 12 DD Fri frim{rksmarknad [Ap: FE,US]
74-51b D 3057 8 VR DD Ner med julen [Ap: FE, US, GD, GL]
75-25b S 73094 9 TS DA Ett gott kap i misshugg [Ap: US, FE, DD]
75-35e S 71103 5 FE Kisse-miss
75-45e S 72077 5 TS FE Folk har inte humor
75-52e S 71061 5 US Priserna bara stiger [Ap: FE, DD]
76-07b S 74146 6 TS DD Kalle Anka och polis Kajsa [Ap: HBC, DA]
76-10b S 72038 4 TS DD Det sjungande budet [Ap: FE, GL] [Orig.pg: 5]
76-29b D 3311 5 DD Byggkr}ngel [Ap: FE]
76-41b S 74150 7 TS DA Konstapel Kajsa sl}r till [ap:FE,DD,GD,HBC]
76-43e S 70011 5 TS US Hoppla, hoppla... [Ap: FE]
77-02b S 73171 8 TS DA K|pmotst}nd [Ap: DD, FE]
78-08b S 72101 9 TS US Ingen hemma [Ap: FE, DD, GD]
78-13b I/T 611 7 DD Ett litet v{nligt r}d [ap:FE]
78-20b S 70097 6 TS US En liten lustig sj|tur [Ap: FE, DD]
The above is by no means complete, as codes weren't printed on a regular basis
in Sweden until the summer of 1972 -- that's why I eagerly await the Danish (hi
Ole!) and the Norwegian (hi Jorgen!) indexes... The following has been distilled
from the notes I've been making on good/interesting uncoded, non-Barks stuff. No
pre-1968 material here, as I haven't really had time to look through it. Been too
busy pestering Harry with index updates :-)...
68-21b 10 TS DD Luft under vingarna [ap:FE]
69-09d 9 FE kr}nglar till det [ap:DD,HDL]
69-16b 9 DD In- och utel}st [ap:FE,DA,US]
69-21e 8 FE En hoppfull tillst{llning [ap:US]
69-26b 11 TS DD En knogig veck-{nda [ap:US,GY,FE,DA,HDL]
69-29b 11 US Granns{mjan v{xer med kvadraten p} avst}ndet [ap:FE,DD]
69-33c 12 TS FE En macklande m{klare [ap:US,HBC]
69-37c 11 TS DD Tr{na med Knase [ap:FE]
69-42b 11 DD Det nappar [ap:US,FE,HBC]
69-43d 6 FE Tossig till tusen [ap:US,DD]
69-45e 5 US P{rl-biten [ap:DD,FE]
69-51f 10 PA DD En m|rdande reklam [ap:US,FE]
70-01b 10 DD Avs}gad [ap:US,FE]
70-04d 5 FE Ex-expert [ap:DD]
70-06c 6 FE Olycksfall i arbetet
70-09b 6 DD Kisse slutar kl|sa Kusin Knase [ap:FE]
70-15d 5 AH FE Skatten p} havets botten [ap:DD]
70-21d 7 AH FE H|nsigt i h|nsbranschen [ap:DD,US]
70-22b 9 DD Skeppsbrott p} en |de | [ap:FE,US]
70-26b 7 FE som en tuff bluff
70-28b 8 US och knas-maskinen [ap:FE]
70-35b 8 US H}r som gr{s [ap:FE,DD]
70-37e 12 TS US och den mystiska magikern Mupp [ap:FE,DD]
71-01b 6 DD Bot mot s|mnl|shet [ap:FE] [Italian?]
71-02h 8 TS DD Skyttel-flyttning [ap:US,DA,HDL,FE]
71-06g 8 TS DD Bot mot b}ttjuvar [ap:US,FE]
71-07b 7 TS DD Ute i otid [ap:FE,US,DA]
71-08b 6 PA? DD Stora skr{llen [ap:FE,US]
71-10b 7 TS DD En rasande rolig r{vjakt [ap:US,FE]
71-11b 9 DD En sjusjungande charm|r [ap:DA,FE] [Italian?]
71-14c 6 TS US Gallup-unders|kningen [ap:FE]
71-17b 10 TS DD Statyn [ap:FE,US]
71-22b 8 TS DD Fy f|r flickor p} fiskaf{nge [ap:US,DA,FE,GY,...]
71-27b 5 TS US Golfexperten [ap:FE,DD]
71-30d 9 TS FE Pojk-l{gret [ap:HDL,DD]
71-31d 7 TS US Skrytet som kom av sig [ap:DD,FE]
71-33g 9 TS US Frim{rket som f|rsvann [ap:FE,DD]
71-34g 5 TS DD P} gaffeln [ap:FE]
71-36b 8 TS DD Bajabuh-babyn [ap:FE,US]
71-38b 7 TS DD Ett stilla meningsutbyte [ap:FE,US,DA]
71-40b 6 DD F|rkylt! [ap:FE]
71-42d 5 DD+FE H{rdande vildmarksliv
71-45b 4 DD En tr|ttsam s|mnkur [ap:FE] [D-coded?]
72-12f 5 TS FE F|rst p} plats n{r dimman l{ttar [ap:US,DD]
Comments, additions and corrections are of course very welcome.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
Brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt
Some grepping on the Swedish index files and on the additional material that
has not (yet) been added yields the following list of Fethry and Moe stories,
which might be useful as a some kind of basis for further discussions. Beware
though that this list is written with the 8-bit Latin-1 character set, which
might generate some weird looking characters on your screen.
66-39f W WDC 304-?5 3 TS MA Trollpacka och topp-brud [Ap: DD, FE]
66-40b W DD 105-?3 9 TS DD Kusin Knase kommer p} bes|k [Ap: FE, 1st in Western comics] [**10 PAGES??]
67-12b W DD 106-07 9+ TS DD Med kusin Knase p} djungelresa [Ap: FE]
69-27b S 68191 10 TS DD Skogs-Ola i skolan [Ap: HBC, US]
69-39b S 68144 7 TS DD Pang i skogen [Ap: FE, HBC]
69-46b S 68139 9 TS DD Antikhandlarna [Ap: FE, HBC, US]
71-03e S 68055 6 TS DD Den dyra v{gen till framg}ng [Ap: FE, HBC]
71-46g S 66011 5 AH FE Gamle Dille kommer igen [Ap: DD]
72-47b S 70022 8 TS DD Busliv bland buskar [Ap: FE, US]
72-49b S 71281 6 TS US Extrakn{ck v{ck [Ap: FE, DD]
73-04c D 2245 9 US Stopp, t{nk p} n}'t annat... [Ap: FE, DD]
73-11f S 67045 4 TS US P} sightseeing [Ap: FE]
73-16b S 71405 6 TS DD Fastl}st [Ap: FE, US] [Orig.pg: 7]
73-31b D 2550 6 FE En kitslig bilinspekt|r
74-01b S 70139 5 TS US Misstaget [Ap: FE, DD]
74-03b S 72292 6 TS DA Pang-nytt [Ap: US, FE, DD]
74-07b S 71055 7 TS HDL Den gr|n-n{bbade tr{dknackaren [Ap: HBC]
74-12c S 70015 9 TS US P} spr}ng [Ap: FE, DD]
74-22b S 70157 4 TS FE Semester-miss [Ap: DD, US]
74-41b S 68207 6 TS DD Dold kamera [Ap: FE, US, DA]
74-49f I 915 12 DD Fri frim{rksmarknad [Ap: FE,US]
74-51b D 3057 8 VR DD Ner med julen [Ap: FE, US, GD, GL]
75-25b S 73094 9 TS DA Ett gott kap i misshugg [Ap: US, FE, DD]
75-35e S 71103 5 FE Kisse-miss
75-45e S 72077 5 TS FE Folk har inte humor
75-52e S 71061 5 US Priserna bara stiger [Ap: FE, DD]
76-07b S 74146 6 TS DD Kalle Anka och polis Kajsa [Ap: HBC, DA]
76-10b S 72038 4 TS DD Det sjungande budet [Ap: FE, GL] [Orig.pg: 5]
76-29b D 3311 5 DD Byggkr}ngel [Ap: FE]
76-41b S 74150 7 TS DA Konstapel Kajsa sl}r till [ap:FE,DD,GD,HBC]
76-43e S 70011 5 TS US Hoppla, hoppla... [Ap: FE]
77-02b S 73171 8 TS DA K|pmotst}nd [Ap: DD, FE]
78-08b S 72101 9 TS US Ingen hemma [Ap: FE, DD, GD]
78-13b I/T 611 7 DD Ett litet v{nligt r}d [ap:FE]
78-20b S 70097 6 TS US En liten lustig sj|tur [Ap: FE, DD]
The above is by no means complete, as codes weren't printed on a regular basis
in Sweden until the summer of 1972 -- that's why I eagerly await the Danish (hi
Ole!) and the Norwegian (hi Jorgen!) indexes... The following has been distilled
from the notes I've been making on good/interesting uncoded, non-Barks stuff. No
pre-1968 material here, as I haven't really had time to look through it. Been too
busy pestering Harry with index updates :-)...
68-21b 10 TS DD Luft under vingarna [ap:FE]
69-09d 9 FE kr}nglar till det [ap:DD,HDL]
69-16b 9 DD In- och utel}st [ap:FE,DA,US]
69-21e 8 FE En hoppfull tillst{llning [ap:US]
69-26b 11 TS DD En knogig veck-{nda [ap:US,GY,FE,DA,HDL]
69-29b 11 US Granns{mjan v{xer med kvadraten p} avst}ndet [ap:FE,DD]
69-33c 12 TS FE En macklande m{klare [ap:US,HBC]
69-37c 11 TS DD Tr{na med Knase [ap:FE]
69-42b 11 DD Det nappar [ap:US,FE,HBC]
69-43d 6 FE Tossig till tusen [ap:US,DD]
69-45e 5 US P{rl-biten [ap:DD,FE]
69-51f 10 PA DD En m|rdande reklam [ap:US,FE]
70-01b 10 DD Avs}gad [ap:US,FE]
70-04d 5 FE Ex-expert [ap:DD]
70-06c 6 FE Olycksfall i arbetet
70-09b 6 DD Kisse slutar kl|sa Kusin Knase [ap:FE]
70-15d 5 AH FE Skatten p} havets botten [ap:DD]
70-21d 7 AH FE H|nsigt i h|nsbranschen [ap:DD,US]
70-22b 9 DD Skeppsbrott p} en |de | [ap:FE,US]
70-26b 7 FE som en tuff bluff
70-28b 8 US och knas-maskinen [ap:FE]
70-35b 8 US H}r som gr{s [ap:FE,DD]
70-37e 12 TS US och den mystiska magikern Mupp [ap:FE,DD]
71-01b 6 DD Bot mot s|mnl|shet [ap:FE] [Italian?]
71-02h 8 TS DD Skyttel-flyttning [ap:US,DA,HDL,FE]
71-06g 8 TS DD Bot mot b}ttjuvar [ap:US,FE]
71-07b 7 TS DD Ute i otid [ap:FE,US,DA]
71-08b 6 PA? DD Stora skr{llen [ap:FE,US]
71-10b 7 TS DD En rasande rolig r{vjakt [ap:US,FE]
71-11b 9 DD En sjusjungande charm|r [ap:DA,FE] [Italian?]
71-14c 6 TS US Gallup-unders|kningen [ap:FE]
71-17b 10 TS DD Statyn [ap:FE,US]
71-22b 8 TS DD Fy f|r flickor p} fiskaf{nge [ap:US,DA,FE,GY,...]
71-27b 5 TS US Golfexperten [ap:FE,DD]
71-30d 9 TS FE Pojk-l{gret [ap:HDL,DD]
71-31d 7 TS US Skrytet som kom av sig [ap:DD,FE]
71-33g 9 TS US Frim{rket som f|rsvann [ap:FE,DD]
71-34g 5 TS DD P} gaffeln [ap:FE]
71-36b 8 TS DD Bajabuh-babyn [ap:FE,US]
71-38b 7 TS DD Ett stilla meningsutbyte [ap:FE,US,DA]
71-40b 6 DD F|rkylt! [ap:FE]
71-42d 5 DD+FE H{rdande vildmarksliv
71-45b 4 DD En tr|ttsam s|mnkur [ap:FE] [D-coded?]
72-12f 5 TS FE F|rst p} plats n{r dimman l{ttar [ap:US,DD]
Comments, additions and corrections are of course very welcome.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
Brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt brullt