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H.W. Fluks
That was some digest yesterday! Phew! 8-)

It appears Anders Berglund wrote an article in CB&Co. 22.
He was a famous 8-) member of this list a few years ago.
Is he still here?

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Jo/rgen sent a list of story codes. Maybe a short explanation of
those codes is appropriate here.

From 1963 on, the Disney Studios produces stories for the "overseas market".
These stories got 4-digit codes, with the first digit being the last digit
of the year, and 3 digits sequence number. For instance 6148 is the 148th
story produced in 1966. From 1973 on, the codes are 5 digits, to avoid
confusion between story 3013 and 73013.

The codes can have a letter or symbol in front of them. In the early
years, this was a little square, a # (number sign), an X (for 'eXtra'),
or the text 'XTRA'. In the later years, the codes always started with S
(S = States, or Studio).

In the Disney comics Database, I "normalised" all these codes: they all start
with S, and all have 5 digits. So "XTRA 5023" became "S 65023",
"X 0014" -> "S 70014" et cetera.
This can be of help when comparing Jo/rgen's codes with Anders' database
extract.

Other countries had their own letter for their story codes: D = Denmark,
I = Italy, H = Holland, etc.
The early Italian reprints had codes like T 701, which means Topolino 701.

(An explanation of the various story codes can be found in the ftp file
"story-codes")

BTW: According to Becattini, Disney stopped their overseas production
in 1989. So the Jaime Diaz Studio must have been doing other things as well.

Jo/rgen again:
> Hjemmet has started to give the codes for the front covers now.

What kind of codes are these? D-codes?

> HARRY told some time ago about the Pirate Gold story in one of the white
> books. One panel was upside down. What book is this?

In fact TWO panels were printed upside down. It was in a German book,
I'm quite sure it was "Ich, Onkel Dagobert" (I, Uncle Scrooge [!]). The
first Dutch reprint of the story (in 1976) used this German version,
with all panels re-arranged, but still two upside-down!

--Harry.

P.S. Please don't send too large indexes to the mailing list.
Bjorn-are.Davidsen
I don't want to drag this Artemis discussion into extremes, so just a short
comment based on some diggings into archeological material at home.
There seems not to be very many who thinks Croesus was the man
behind the first Atemis temple. However - and this is of course exactly
what you need, Don - according to my sources there are no doubt about
Croesus contributing with at least some of the columns, based on
engravings on them telling that it's a gift from Croesus! In fact he seems
to have been contributing columns to a lot of temples in Asia Minor, just
as a modern day tycoon donates statues and all sort of prestigious
things to todays important buildings.

And it also seems that you are quite right about columns being reused
for later versions of the temple, as the Croesus engravings are present
on the second temple! You seem even correct about the ground plan
(now, who would have thought that?:-)).

The temple was plundered by Nero (in 57?) to get treasures to the City of
Rome (not because Rome was at war with the area, it seems, as it very
much was part of the empire), before it was sacked by the Goths before
the local Christians came around and destroyed it, before eventually
that Leo 1 entered the scene dismantling the whole thing. Still confused?
History IS confusing!

Bjorn Are
Richard Mann
2/3/95
11:12 AM
Trading comics

Here is a list of some U.S. comics that I would like to trade for some
German, Italian, French, Sweden, or any other country Uncle Scrooge comics.
Marvel Donald &Mickey 64 Page Giant
Gladstone Donald duck No. 272
Gladstone Uncle Scrooge No. 236
Gladstone Uncle Scrooge No. 14
Marvel Uncle Scrooge No. 290
Harvey Woody Woodpecker
Walt Disney Donald Duck Titanic Ants
Gold Key Porky Pig &Bugs Bunny 90140-707

I'm new at this internet thing and trading comics. All I know is that I like
Uncle Scrooge comics and I am exicted of seeing them from other countries. I
have many more old Disney comics.
Please respond,
Rich Mann Richard_Mann at qmgate.cc.oberlin.edu
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Dear Folks,

Don't worry. In light of the "Lydia" controversy I am NOT
foolish enough to duplicate a song exactly in one of my stories!
The story is a Fred Milton 10-pager about DD and Daisy acting in a
stage musical. I have Daisy singing:
"OOOOOOklahoma
Where the wind comes breezing o'er the sod!
Seated on a bough, we'll watch a sow
Pacing lazy circles in the clods!"
By the way, don't wait for this one from Gladstone. I actually
don't have John's approval to do it yet, but I was just itching to do
the first page in advance, so I did.

US 291: Superb work, Don. I haven't read everything yet so
you'll hear my more complete views when I've soaked it all up.
My own dialog in "A Case of Too Much Money" is almost exactly
as I originally wrote it. Why does Disney leave all the dark political
allegories (particularly that money from a Communist country was
colored red!) in this one and pick out harmless things to jettison in
"A Car-Gone Conclusion?" Why? They're Disney, that's why.
Well, okay, there were two minor changes. One Beagle Boy was
shouting the Carrollian "Oh, frabjous day!" which became "Oh,
fabulous day!" Then, on page 2 the sign in the last panel originally
had the subtext "A Place That's All It's Quacked Up To Be". Disney
blew the whistle on THEMSELVES that time. That was the Calisota
motto from the Walt Disney World Duckburg display!

WDC&S 596: William Van Horn's story in this issue is a real
cut above what he's lately been producing. Also, Romano Scarpa's
Filo Sganga story makes an appearance in it for some reason. An
English name of Jubal Cock was given in a Scarpa article c. 1989
(even though the character's stories have never appeared in English)
but here he's called J. Frostfeathers Pomp.
"Monarch of Medioka" is out swinging with one climax after
another. The most exciting part of the story is under way now. I
love this story.
And in the back of the issue, an announcement from Bruce
Hamilton appears. None other than STEVE GEPPI (you hear that one,
Don?) recently bought the newly-discovered pencil concept art for the
first Mickey cartoon, "Plane Crazy" -- all by Ub Iwerks. And it's
going to see print in WDC&S 598 as a six-page story! Nobody is going
to keep THIS Mouse fan away.

Oh, yeah. A new "preview" catalog also showed up at the shop
today. DD 291 has the Barks story "Fearsome Flowers" from WDC 21x,
illustrated on the cover by... well, Cavazzano, it looks like. (?!)
DM contains the end (thank God) of "Goofy King Arthur." The big news
for the month is USA 33, which contains "Horsing Around with
History" and "Only a Poor Old Man" (first time with airbrushed color,
folks) under a Van Horn PAINTED cover. I have to say that Barks'
1952 story will put the new one to shame, even if ("Horsing Around")
does have its moments.

That's all for today, gang.

Best, David
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
MMGawain
Can anyone write me and let me know how to get some of the titles such as the
digests that are usually the topics of discussion in this series? Here in
Richmond, VA USA the only books to be found are the Gladstones.

How do the Gladstone publications relate to these others? Are stories
published simultaneously or very much later? When will the Crossus story be
published here?

Thanks and double thanks ---
Mark
Dwight Decker
DAVID:
Well, your feeble old grampaw could have been sadly mistaken all
these years, or maybe it's a matter of personal preference, but the
way I see it is this--

"Phew, you stink!"
"Whew, what a relief!"

The Danish writers writing in English I've seen invariably use "phew"
as a sigh of relief, which sounds wrong to my ear, so I generally
change it to "whew." Your mileage may vary, of course.

Now, where I _really_ draw the line is things like "Grrr!," "Bah,"
and "Wak!" Those all seem to me like Things To Say When You Can't
Think Of Anything Else To Say. Where word balloon space allows, I
try to substitute something a little more eloquent. Seems to me that
the story reads better when the character is actually saying something
as opposed to just grunting or snorting. But that's personal preference.

Not sure what you mean by scripts written in "British English." What
I've seen are scripts written in non-native English by Danes and Swedes.
Sometimes they're amazingly good with their use of American slang and
colloquialisms, but other times some misunderstood expression gives
them away (such as a reference to "the windshield factor" in cold
weather, or Scrooge telling his secretary to "keep the castle" while
he's gone -- "hold the fort" was what was meant). One Swedish writer
gives himself away every time by spelling the name of a certain town
as "Duckborg."

--Dwight
H.J.Bjornhaug
I just skimmed through the forthcoming issue of Donald Duck & co.
You're on, David! The first story look definitively like your
"Pork-Barrel Politics". I didn't read it; I think I have to buy this
issue myself. Becaue in addition to David's story, the continuation
story looks like a new, promising one from Van Horn. Uncle $crooge has
disappeared, and the $McD company is run by a certain Donald Duck. No
wonder why it's loosing a lot of money... And then there's a one-pager
from 1947 by Barks which I don't think I've seen before. This issue
looks really great, even without Don Rosa!

--- Helge; hoping the new Lo$-U$ has arrived at his comics pusher
Debra L. Gurule
I am interested in Disney Comics and Cartoons. I received your address
through Internet Yellow Pages. Thank you.
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Index
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I like the amount of information, but I still don't like the amount of
characters per line...

HARRY:
>What kind of codes are these? D-codes?

Yes, and instead of being numbered with year, like the stories, they
continue the old numbering (f.ex: D-11526).

>I'm quite sure it was "Ich, Onkel Dagobert"

I've got the Norwegian version (Jeg, Onkel Skrue), but even though it
does contain 17 (Barks) stories, the Pirate Gold story isn't there.

>with all panels re-arranged

Sounds interesting. How did they arrange them? ;-)

>BTW: According to Becattini, Disney stopped their overseas production
>in 1989. So the Jaime Diaz Studio must have been doing other things as well.

Does that mean that all the Duck Tales stories (with S-codes) were produced
before that?

DON:
>Speaking of the Turkish government, I wonder why Egmont screwed around with
>the Turkish flags I had in the army-attack scene!

Some reportages in Norwegian news yesterday reminded me of this. The
relations between Norway and Turkey aren't very good these days, and that
has very much to do with their army. Norway is probably going to stop
selling weapons to them.

Jorgen
Don Rosa
DWIGHT:
You are absolutely right, of course... and I'm surprised that there are
any comic book readers that don't know the distinct difference between "phew"
and "whew". Perhaps they don't use such classic old expressions correctly
nowadays as they did in the comics you and I grew up on?
It's just a repitition of what you say... but, right: "phew" is
pronounced "fyew" and definitely indicates a bad smell or such. "Whew" is
pronounced... well, it's more of just a sound of air being forced through pursed
lips, sortuva "whhsshhwwww" without any sorta vowell sound.
I'm also surprised when I learn that there a funnybook readers who think
that "heh, heh, heh" (which is an underbreath chuckle to one's self with a
short-e) is pronounced the same as "hee, hee, hee" (an evil or sarcastic chortle
of moderate audibility), even though I think they know it's different from a
"ha, ha, ha" (normal laugh) and "har, har, har" (loud guffaw).
These differences are of MAJOR importance! Readers who are not fluent in
the language of comic art will never fully understand the nuances of meanings of
the dialogue and therefore of the stories.
August DeBlieck
Date: 05-Feb-1995 02:11pm EST
From: DeBlieck, August
ADEBLIEC
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No:

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Subject: Various for David Gerstein

Yeah, David, you even get your name in the subject header. ;)

By now you know he answers to your questions regarding the Gladstone
printing of "A Case of too Much Money." And by the way, having reread it,
I still hate it. It's like the old saying goes: "It doesn't matter
whether it's good publicity or bad publicity, as long as they spelled my
name right." (Or something like that.) They remembered your name, but
noone else's, it seems.

So you're among the crowd that doesn't like the Goofy King Arthur-type
stories, eh? I like them myself. I enjoy the occasional gag-packed,
plotless story, even though I think this one has a little more story in
it. Maybe it is because I'm becoming a dyed-in-the-wool comic book fan
that I find the wild superhero panel layouts so appealing in a Disney
comic book.

I, too, recently received my copy of the latest "previews" magazine. In
fact, I get PREVIEWS. ;) I didn't realize they were airbrushing Only A
Poor Man. Very interesting. Truth to tell, I haven't read the story yet.
It ought to be very interesting.

And an aside to Jorgen and Don : I'm in the process this weekend of
rereading the Lo$. I'll try to "type my report" this week, only a month
and a half later. Sorry for the delay.

-Augie De Blieck Jr.
CAPP 385-5141 Student 07
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Don Rosa
Norway has poor relations with Turkey? I can't think of two countries
that I would think there was a better chance that they weren't even aware of
each other's existance. Norway & Turkey. Henh!

Do we ever try to sell stuff to each other on here? Is that allowed? I
have some duplicate Disney items here...
I get a kick out of letting people think I hate Mickey Mouse. Actually, I
have a collection of ALL the Disney comic books and Big Little Books that have
ever been published in America. Of course, I am pretty apathetic towards MM and
my love of Barks' DD has lead me to also collect all DD books of ANY sort
(coloring books, storybooks, picturebooks, "Golden Books", etc.) as well as all
sorts of toys and figurines.
And I never seem to have duplicates since I never seem to worry about
upgrading items. But I was at a flea market today and actually found one of
those sleazy flea market dealers who had some items in GOOD shape that were
actually priced FAIRLY! I haven't seen that happen since the tragic invention of
price guides 20-25 years ago! Nowadays, flea markets are the most expensive
place to try to buy good stuff since those dealers are completely ignorant about
their merchandise and are just trolling for suckers. Anyway, I'm pretty sure
this guy couldn't read and would have tried to cheat me if he's been brighter.

Whatever the case, I have four Disney Big Little Books here if anyone is
interested. (If you don't know what a Big Little Book is, then you won't want
one.) Four MMs and 1 DD, all art is newspaper reprints.
MM IN BLAGGARD CASTLE (1934)
MM IN THE TREASURE HUNT (1937)
MM AND THE 'LECTRO BOX (1943)
DD OFF THE BEAM (1940)

These are all in good-VG shape, but well-read and worn a bit on the
edges. If anyone is interested, send me a private note, I'll describe the books
better and try to find out what they sell for nowadays (I haven't messed with
BLBs for about 20 years).
(DAVID G.: I notice the "Treasure Hunt" BLB reprints that same newspaper
sequence that you had me make copies of from an old WDC&S.)
Tic Doc
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H.W. Fluks
Mark:
> Can anyone write me and let me know how to get some of the titles such as the
> digests that are usually the topics of discussion in this series?

With "digest" we mean the mail of this list itself! Some of us get the
mail from this list in one big package, once a day. For some reason, our
list administrator Per called those packages "digests". So the subject
of a digest is for example "Disney-comics digest #573". When one
answers to a digest, the subject of the answer mostly is "Re: Disney-
comics digest #573". This can be interpreted as "A reply to all of
yesterday's mail".

And we _do_ discuss Gladstone issues here, but also various European
(and sometimes Brazilian) Disney comics. The Marvel Disney comics
(the "real" digests, Disney Adventures and stuff) are rarely discussed
here.

> When will the Croesus story be published here?
Real soon, I hope 8-)

--Harry.
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