I guess I came in a little late on this, but it runs in my mind that
I heard somewhere that Pete actually predates Mickey. That is, a cat
character that is supposedly an early version of Pete appeared in
Disney's Alice in Cartoonland silent comedies circa 1925. Or was this
already discussed here? Back to lurking mode...
--Dwight Decker
Author
Topic: 199502
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Dwight Decker
Pete's Age
Message 121 -
1995-02-16 at 00:05:40
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Pete's Age
Message 122 -
1995-02-16 at 00:52:06
DWIGHT:
>Or was this already discussed here?
No, it wasn't discussed at all, but I guess I should have mentioned
that the "Alice in Cartoonland" was mentioned in the Extra issue. A
villain with peg leg and sigar showed up in "Alice soves the Puzzle"
which was released 15. february 1925. The villain survived the Alice
movies, and was later the opponent to "Oswald the Rabbit". Then, in
1928, he got the name "Peg Leg Pete".
According to this article he was the villain in 11 movies with Alice
and Oswald, and later in 32 Mickey movies.
I think I will translate a little bit of the article just to show you
how incredibly stupid it is.
> As a grown up Black Pete started his career as a pirate. At that time
> he did, of course have a peg leg. In the start it was on the right foot,
> but some times it was on the left. After some time ashore his legs
> became complete. This probably shows that the peg leg was a disguise,
> and that Pete's memory failed from time to time, not the artist's.
I remember I read somewhere that Gottfredson had problems with remembering
which side the peg leg was supposed to be on.
Jorgen
>Or was this already discussed here?
No, it wasn't discussed at all, but I guess I should have mentioned
that the "Alice in Cartoonland" was mentioned in the Extra issue. A
villain with peg leg and sigar showed up in "Alice soves the Puzzle"
which was released 15. february 1925. The villain survived the Alice
movies, and was later the opponent to "Oswald the Rabbit". Then, in
1928, he got the name "Peg Leg Pete".
According to this article he was the villain in 11 movies with Alice
and Oswald, and later in 32 Mickey movies.
I think I will translate a little bit of the article just to show you
how incredibly stupid it is.
> As a grown up Black Pete started his career as a pirate. At that time
> he did, of course have a peg leg. In the start it was on the right foot,
> but some times it was on the left. After some time ashore his legs
> became complete. This probably shows that the peg leg was a disguise,
> and that Pete's memory failed from time to time, not the artist's.
I remember I read somewhere that Gottfredson had problems with remembering
which side the peg leg was supposed to be on.
Jorgen
Les Skelton
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1995-02-16 at 04:28:00
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Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #584.
Message 124 -
1995-02-16 at 07:56:41
NISSE:
If you'd like to try to find me a new CARL BARKS & CO., I think my
address is in the newsgroup files:
9711 Dawson Hill Rd.
Louisville, KY 40299
DAVID:
You say that Rockerduck is easier to use than Glomgold because Glomgold
lives in Africa? Of course, you and I (and Barks) know this, but I was under the
distinct impression that every other use made of the character by foreign
publishers (and by Disney since they knew no better) has always treated Glomgold
as if he lived in Duckburg with everyone else. I think it's just a matter of
some Italian writer or artist choosing Rockerduck over Glomgold in 1963 to use
as a villain for reasons we'll never know. Barks used Rockerduck once, but he
only used Glomgold three times over about 10 years -- and that was always in the
long $crooge stories which this Italian may not even have been familiar with.
But who knows...
If it bothers us that Egmont has always had Flintheart living in
Duckburg, what about how Disney Disney Comics had him being Scottish and living
in Duckburg? If you think that was bad, consider one of these awful
"collectibles" sets that are made for mindless Disney collectors: there's one
called The Duck House that supposedly wanted to produce very small bisque
figurines of the Disney Ducks. I think they soon realized how few Ducks anyone
really knows about, so they did a bit of careless investigation to find other
Ducks. I picture them being aided by somebody at Disney with access to model
sheets but no knowledge of who the characters were. This resulted in having
figurines of such obscure characters (as far as the great unwashed American
masses are concerned) as Magica and April, May & June. But it also resulted in
idiocy such as Gyro's helper being labelled "Lightbulb Duck". The worst part was
their Flintheart which obviously was based on a Ducktales Flintheart wearing a
kilt and with the long beard and a cane. The ignoramuses interpretted this as an
aged duck with a shawl across his legs, so they assumed he must be the Duck
grandpa and depicted him sitting in a rocking chair and holding an earhorn to
his ear. (In the set, $crooge is depicted as playing a lively set on an antique
piano -- perhaps they never saw him before and judged by his antiquated clothing
that he was a saloon entertainer in the old west. I wouldn't put it past 'em.)
If you'd like to try to find me a new CARL BARKS & CO., I think my
address is in the newsgroup files:
9711 Dawson Hill Rd.
Louisville, KY 40299
DAVID:
You say that Rockerduck is easier to use than Glomgold because Glomgold
lives in Africa? Of course, you and I (and Barks) know this, but I was under the
distinct impression that every other use made of the character by foreign
publishers (and by Disney since they knew no better) has always treated Glomgold
as if he lived in Duckburg with everyone else. I think it's just a matter of
some Italian writer or artist choosing Rockerduck over Glomgold in 1963 to use
as a villain for reasons we'll never know. Barks used Rockerduck once, but he
only used Glomgold three times over about 10 years -- and that was always in the
long $crooge stories which this Italian may not even have been familiar with.
But who knows...
If it bothers us that Egmont has always had Flintheart living in
Duckburg, what about how Disney Disney Comics had him being Scottish and living
in Duckburg? If you think that was bad, consider one of these awful
"collectibles" sets that are made for mindless Disney collectors: there's one
called The Duck House that supposedly wanted to produce very small bisque
figurines of the Disney Ducks. I think they soon realized how few Ducks anyone
really knows about, so they did a bit of careless investigation to find other
Ducks. I picture them being aided by somebody at Disney with access to model
sheets but no knowledge of who the characters were. This resulted in having
figurines of such obscure characters (as far as the great unwashed American
masses are concerned) as Magica and April, May & June. But it also resulted in
idiocy such as Gyro's helper being labelled "Lightbulb Duck". The worst part was
their Flintheart which obviously was based on a Ducktales Flintheart wearing a
kilt and with the long beard and a cane. The ignoramuses interpretted this as an
aged duck with a shawl across his legs, so they assumed he must be the Duck
grandpa and depicted him sitting in a rocking chair and holding an earhorn to
his ear. (In the set, $crooge is depicted as playing a lively set on an antique
piano -- perhaps they never saw him before and judged by his antiquated clothing
that he was a saloon entertainer in the old west. I wouldn't put it past 'em.)
9475609
Disney-comics digest #584.
Message 125 -
1995-02-16 at 14:00:18
Dear Folks,
DON ROSA said that foreign stories are selected for Gladstone
comics like this: "John Clark will flip through foreign comics until he
spots a story that he CAN'T READ, but seems to have some interesting
action. Then he orders the story... If it turns out [upon its arrival at
Gladstone's office that] the story sux, it's too long a process to start
from scratch..."
Well, this is indeed how Gladstone chooses SOME stories, but not
the ones that **I** work on.
You see, I can read German, so if I see a good story in a German
Egmont or Oberon reprint, I ask John if I can work on it. He gives me
the go-ahead, and I do a translation straight from the German -- even on
Egmont stories which were originally written in English, since it's a
lot easier that way than waiting for Gladstone to order the story and
send it to me.
So when you see a story I've worked on, all of you can be sure
that **I** picked it FOR Gladstone, knowing very well what was going on
and whether the story "sux" or not. (Of course, to each their own
opinion. I picked "A Case of Too Much Money" thinking it a good story,
and Augie didn't agree with me!)
Some examples of this process can be seen in
THE PREVIEWS LISTINGS:
>- Catman vs. the Masked Marauder
I personally chose this story for Gladstone upon reading it in
German (see below for more on this). It is a first-rate superhero
parody a la several famous ones that have predated it, with very good
art by Colomer Fonts. There's even a scene of DD burning some of HDL's
comics like a 1950s Werthamite. I had him saying, "in thirty years, the
kids will thank me for this." Heh, heh.
I also gave the villain some very-carefully-researched Cockney
dialect, which I am virtually sure that Disney will delete.
>- Naturepark Ranger, by Mau Heymans (Dutch)
And here's an example of one of my MAJOR SLIP-UPS. I was so
jubilant upon having just sold a lot of German translations to Gladstone
(including the Catman story) that I went ahead and translated this one,
too, without checking to see if Gladstone had ordered it already or had
someone else write an English script. Well, they'd done both of those
things, and my own version -- titled "By Hourglass Piqued" -- will never
see the light of day.
>- Cover [of WDC&S 592] pencilled by Barks and inked by Van Horn
The cover shows DD and a nephew, both painting adjacent floors of
the house, having both painted their way to the same doorway and gotten
stuck there, surrounded by painted floorboards. Since the Dutch have
inked a lot of abandoned Barks covers before, I bet there must be a Daan
Jippes cover with this same gag. Harry?
>Matti Eronen:
>Carl Barks Surviving Comic Book Art
>- production limited to 500 copies
>- $24,95
I suppose this is a new book? Does it say anything about page
count? I'm curious.
BLACK PETE: HOW OLD?
>It says that Pete is 60 years old on 15. april (today).
Er -- today's 15 February, or I miss my guess.
15 April is the day that Pete first appeared in the Mickey Mouse
daily comic strip... but this was ***65*** years ago, in 1930.
>Then it says that his first appearance was 15. february
>1925.
That's his first ANIMATED appearance (and as far as I'm concerned,
the REAL first appearance). This is an accurate date, and someone else
"pegged" (heh, heh) the cartoon "Alice Solves the Puzzle". He was
called Bootleg Pete in that cartoon. He was always called Pete, and
specifically Pegleg Pete as early as 1926, although that was only one of
several nicknames he had (the other one of the era being "Putrid Pete").
Pete also made more than 11 pre-Mickey cartoon appearances. The
count of 11 comes from John Grant's encyclopedia of Disney animated
characters, but Russell Merritt and J. B. Kaufman (in their recent book
_Walt in Wonderland_) have more accurate information, including story
synopses for all missing Alice cartoons (something Grant did not have).
I'm going to be buying that book soon, and I'll give you a correct
number of pre-MM Pete appearances then, gang.
>It's not as bad as in 1973, though...
That celebration was in fact fifty years of the Disney Studio
itself. The same logo appeared on some Whitman comics of the time.
Pete was also the villain in some DD, Goofy, and Chip 'n' Dale
cartoons, which I guess the Extra issue doesn't list.
My first story with Pete will be going back to basics by pairing
him with Sylvester Shyster. More on that soon.
Back tomorrow...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
DON ROSA said that foreign stories are selected for Gladstone
comics like this: "John Clark will flip through foreign comics until he
spots a story that he CAN'T READ, but seems to have some interesting
action. Then he orders the story... If it turns out [upon its arrival at
Gladstone's office that] the story sux, it's too long a process to start
from scratch..."
Well, this is indeed how Gladstone chooses SOME stories, but not
the ones that **I** work on.
You see, I can read German, so if I see a good story in a German
Egmont or Oberon reprint, I ask John if I can work on it. He gives me
the go-ahead, and I do a translation straight from the German -- even on
Egmont stories which were originally written in English, since it's a
lot easier that way than waiting for Gladstone to order the story and
send it to me.
So when you see a story I've worked on, all of you can be sure
that **I** picked it FOR Gladstone, knowing very well what was going on
and whether the story "sux" or not. (Of course, to each their own
opinion. I picked "A Case of Too Much Money" thinking it a good story,
and Augie didn't agree with me!)
Some examples of this process can be seen in
THE PREVIEWS LISTINGS:
>- Catman vs. the Masked Marauder
I personally chose this story for Gladstone upon reading it in
German (see below for more on this). It is a first-rate superhero
parody a la several famous ones that have predated it, with very good
art by Colomer Fonts. There's even a scene of DD burning some of HDL's
comics like a 1950s Werthamite. I had him saying, "in thirty years, the
kids will thank me for this." Heh, heh.
I also gave the villain some very-carefully-researched Cockney
dialect, which I am virtually sure that Disney will delete.
>- Naturepark Ranger, by Mau Heymans (Dutch)
And here's an example of one of my MAJOR SLIP-UPS. I was so
jubilant upon having just sold a lot of German translations to Gladstone
(including the Catman story) that I went ahead and translated this one,
too, without checking to see if Gladstone had ordered it already or had
someone else write an English script. Well, they'd done both of those
things, and my own version -- titled "By Hourglass Piqued" -- will never
see the light of day.
>- Cover [of WDC&S 592] pencilled by Barks and inked by Van Horn
The cover shows DD and a nephew, both painting adjacent floors of
the house, having both painted their way to the same doorway and gotten
stuck there, surrounded by painted floorboards. Since the Dutch have
inked a lot of abandoned Barks covers before, I bet there must be a Daan
Jippes cover with this same gag. Harry?
>Matti Eronen:
>Carl Barks Surviving Comic Book Art
>- production limited to 500 copies
>- $24,95
I suppose this is a new book? Does it say anything about page
count? I'm curious.
BLACK PETE: HOW OLD?
>It says that Pete is 60 years old on 15. april (today).
Er -- today's 15 February, or I miss my guess.
15 April is the day that Pete first appeared in the Mickey Mouse
daily comic strip... but this was ***65*** years ago, in 1930.
>Then it says that his first appearance was 15. february
>1925.
That's his first ANIMATED appearance (and as far as I'm concerned,
the REAL first appearance). This is an accurate date, and someone else
"pegged" (heh, heh) the cartoon "Alice Solves the Puzzle". He was
called Bootleg Pete in that cartoon. He was always called Pete, and
specifically Pegleg Pete as early as 1926, although that was only one of
several nicknames he had (the other one of the era being "Putrid Pete").
Pete also made more than 11 pre-Mickey cartoon appearances. The
count of 11 comes from John Grant's encyclopedia of Disney animated
characters, but Russell Merritt and J. B. Kaufman (in their recent book
_Walt in Wonderland_) have more accurate information, including story
synopses for all missing Alice cartoons (something Grant did not have).
I'm going to be buying that book soon, and I'll give you a correct
number of pre-MM Pete appearances then, gang.
>It's not as bad as in 1973, though...
That celebration was in fact fifty years of the Disney Studio
itself. The same logo appeared on some Whitman comics of the time.
Pete was also the villain in some DD, Goofy, and Chip 'n' Dale
cartoons, which I guess the Extra issue doesn't list.
My first story with Pete will be going back to basics by pairing
him with Sylvester Shyster. More on that soon.
Back tomorrow...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #584.
Message 126 -
1995-02-16 at 15:11:35
DON:
Did the Finnish editor say you'd answer all the mail? Well, he
(I think) didn't _say_ so, but he sure did imply that way and before
finding about this mailing list, I was sure you'd answer my letter
which I made the very day I read about a chance to write to a real DD
artist. Then again, I would've asked your e-mail address, so... But
'nuff said about that. Also, most Finnish kids learn English in school
beginning at the age of ten. Then again, most Finnish kids who will
send you a letter will be about ten years old so you'll be getting an
awful lot of letters saying "My name is Matti Virtanen. How are you?"
Btw, are you sure the name of Jari is not LaitineN? I did hear
about you making the trip, but I read it from the FAQ. Not true? <sob>
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Did the Finnish editor say you'd answer all the mail? Well, he
(I think) didn't _say_ so, but he sure did imply that way and before
finding about this mailing list, I was sure you'd answer my letter
which I made the very day I read about a chance to write to a real DD
artist. Then again, I would've asked your e-mail address, so... But
'nuff said about that. Also, most Finnish kids learn English in school
beginning at the age of ten. Then again, most Finnish kids who will
send you a letter will be about ten years old so you'll be getting an
awful lot of letters saying "My name is Matti Virtanen. How are you?"
Btw, are you sure the name of Jari is not LaitineN? I did hear
about you making the trip, but I read it from the FAQ. Not true? <sob>
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
PAULO BARRETO
DD&Co #7
Message 127 -
1995-02-16 at 16:21:00
JORGEN:
>This issue is celebrating Black Pete's 70th birthday -- or the 60th?
>(...)
>It's not as bad as in 1973, though, when they managed to put a couple
>of Mickey ears, and the text "1923 - 1973" on the front cover of
>several issues.
Brazil's Editora Abril did just the same in 1973: all front
covers had the message "Disney - 50 years of joy" (the "0" had mouse
ears). I suppose those 50 years' celebration was solely associated to
Walt Disney's career, not to Mickey's birthday.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ Paulo Barreto
mad%hlbbs at ibase.org.br
---
* QMPro 1.0 12-3456 * Firings will continue until morale improves
>This issue is celebrating Black Pete's 70th birthday -- or the 60th?
>(...)
>It's not as bad as in 1973, though, when they managed to put a couple
>of Mickey ears, and the text "1923 - 1973" on the front cover of
>several issues.
Brazil's Editora Abril did just the same in 1973: all front
covers had the message "Disney - 50 years of joy" (the "0" had mouse
ears). I suppose those 50 years' celebration was solely associated to
Walt Disney's career, not to Mickey's birthday.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ Paulo Barreto
mad%hlbbs at ibase.org.br
---
* QMPro 1.0 12-3456 * Firings will continue until morale improves
H.W. Fluks
Paul's master list and David's Moe story
Message 128 -
1995-02-16 at 18:36:55
Paul Benjamin:
> So, is there any source of information on the artists/writers themselves?
> I have seen names like Strobl, Branca, Vicar, also stores credited solely
> to the Gutenburghus group. Is there any sort of master list of who has
> created Uncle Scrooge stories, when they did it, who they worked for, what
> country, etc.?
There are some files available from ftp (look at your welcoming message
again for details) that may be of interest.
The file 'story-codes' contains a short summary of all editors in all
countries producing Disney comics. Also, some creator's names are mentioned
there.
The subdirectory 'index' contains the "Disney comics Database": a lot of
files with lists of stories and issues in various countries (at the
moment USA, Sweden, Holland).
In fact, most information we know about who wrote and drew which
story is in those files. We even know more credits than Gladstone lists,
because our information comes from a wide variety of sources (including
the creators themselves 8-).
If you think there are too many files and you have only interest in certain
parts, you can always ask questions to me. I have programs to make any list
of any subset of the database.
------
David:
> Some of you will be pleased to hear that I'm writing my
> Hard-Haid Moe story now
I don't want to withhold you, but I'm curious about:
How many Moe stories have you read? Do you think you caught the
character well enough to make a story with him? Why would you want
to do a story with him at all? (Remember: I don't know Moe, I only
saw him on a Brazilian cover)
--Harry.
"This is your illusionist speaking!"
"Well, how about that! I haven't even dialed the number yet!"
(Quote from a Fethry story)
> So, is there any source of information on the artists/writers themselves?
> I have seen names like Strobl, Branca, Vicar, also stores credited solely
> to the Gutenburghus group. Is there any sort of master list of who has
> created Uncle Scrooge stories, when they did it, who they worked for, what
> country, etc.?
There are some files available from ftp (look at your welcoming message
again for details) that may be of interest.
The file 'story-codes' contains a short summary of all editors in all
countries producing Disney comics. Also, some creator's names are mentioned
there.
The subdirectory 'index' contains the "Disney comics Database": a lot of
files with lists of stories and issues in various countries (at the
moment USA, Sweden, Holland).
In fact, most information we know about who wrote and drew which
story is in those files. We even know more credits than Gladstone lists,
because our information comes from a wide variety of sources (including
the creators themselves 8-).
If you think there are too many files and you have only interest in certain
parts, you can always ask questions to me. I have programs to make any list
of any subset of the database.
------
David:
> Some of you will be pleased to hear that I'm writing my
> Hard-Haid Moe story now
I don't want to withhold you, but I'm curious about:
How many Moe stories have you read? Do you think you caught the
character well enough to make a story with him? Why would you want
to do a story with him at all? (Remember: I don't know Moe, I only
saw him on a Brazilian cover)
--Harry.
"This is your illusionist speaking!"
"Well, how about that! I haven't even dialed the number yet!"
(Quote from a Fethry story)
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Price of old Dell Comics
Message 129 -
1995-02-16 at 20:08:47
Hi all!
Yesterday I came across an old Dell Comic (Comics & Stories 212 I think),
in a used-comics store. It was in good condition, (no ripped pages, folds,
maybe read once or twice). I just wondered what the normal price would be,
ie how much should a *reasonable* price be. I know most second hand stories
in Norway tend to vastly overprice older Norwegian Duck-Comics. This one
was priced at about 5 dollars, and that price is not too high, compared to
Norwgian issues of the same age.
-jonC
Yesterday I came across an old Dell Comic (Comics & Stories 212 I think),
in a used-comics store. It was in good condition, (no ripped pages, folds,
maybe read once or twice). I just wondered what the normal price would be,
ie how much should a *reasonable* price be. I know most second hand stories
in Norway tend to vastly overprice older Norwegian Duck-Comics. This one
was priced at about 5 dollars, and that price is not too high, compared to
Norwgian issues of the same age.
-jonC
Joel James Swaan
Pete's Age
Message 130 -
1995-02-16 at 21:38:30
On Wed, 15 Feb 1995, Dwight Decker wrote:
> I guess I came in a little late on this, but it runs in my mind that
> I heard somewhere that Pete actually predates Mickey. That is, a cat
> character that is supposedly an early version of Pete appeared in
> Disney's Alice in Cartoonland silent comedies circa 1925. Or was this
> already discussed here? Back to lurking mode...
>
> --Dwight Decker
Yeah, Pete was in the Alice Comedies, and the Oswald the Luccky Rabbit
cartoons before Mickey ever existed. I think his "birthday" is in late
November - I forget. Pete is the oldest cartoon character still "acting"
(except for MAYBE Koko the Clown from the Out of the Inkwell series - He
appeared in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. None-the-less, Pete's career has
been constant since his "birth")
Joel
> I guess I came in a little late on this, but it runs in my mind that
> I heard somewhere that Pete actually predates Mickey. That is, a cat
> character that is supposedly an early version of Pete appeared in
> Disney's Alice in Cartoonland silent comedies circa 1925. Or was this
> already discussed here? Back to lurking mode...
>
> --Dwight Decker
Yeah, Pete was in the Alice Comedies, and the Oswald the Luccky Rabbit
cartoons before Mickey ever existed. I think his "birthday" is in late
November - I forget. Pete is the oldest cartoon character still "acting"
(except for MAYBE Koko the Clown from the Out of the Inkwell series - He
appeared in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. None-the-less, Pete's career has
been constant since his "birth")
Joel
Dennis Recla
Disney-comics digest #585.
Message 131 -
1995-02-16 at 21:52:22
Hi Don
U$ #291 finnaly showed up at the local comic shop, along with U$
Adventures. Enjoyed them both.. Congrats on the D.U.C.K. in 291, took
awhile to find it but when I did, it was so obvious. Everytime I look at
the cover, it pops out at ya!
Keep up the good work!
Dennis Recla
Grants Pass, OREGON
U$ #291 finnaly showed up at the local comic shop, along with U$
Adventures. Enjoyed them both.. Congrats on the D.U.C.K. in 291, took
awhile to find it but when I did, it was so obvious. Everytime I look at
the cover, it pops out at ya!
Keep up the good work!
Dennis Recla
Grants Pass, OREGON
John Thompson
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1995-02-17 at 04:47:49
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Disney-comics digest #585.
Message 133 -
1995-02-17 at 07:22:43
MIKE:
Well... the package of fanmail forwarded from the Finnish editor arrived
today. It was all of 20 letters. Rather embarrassing, I should think,
considering the readership he solicited them from is 350,000 per week. I began
to assume that these were simply letters that had accumulated in his office
uninvited, but now you say that he mentioned in print that people should send
letters to me and that I would reply? That ain't many letters, is it?
(Sigh)... yes, I guess I will try to answer them somehow, even if it's a
computer generated letter with a signature. If he implied in print that I would
reply to the mail he'd send me, that really was presumptious of him, but I'll
try. I guess one reason I was sorry there weren't more letters is that 20 is not
TOO too many to at least TRY to reply to.
How did he ask for this fanmail? I have never seen credits given in
Finnish issues, so how do these readers know which stories I've done? Did he ask
for mail for Barks as well? And for other Egmont artists? (That might explain
that most mail naturally went to Barks, as it should, and to others, leaving
only 20 letters for me.)
Anyway, the editor ALSO sent me all the Finnish issues that have featured
my stories in 1994 and 1995 ("Croesus"). So I don't need those from you or any
other Finnish friends; however, if you've already sent more, I'll be glad to
have them. Still, he might have missed some issue -- for instance, none of these
issues have this request for fanmail or have any articles about who I am for
people to know to write to me. The #2000 has an article about Barks and Van
Horn, but my "Croesus" story, in an issue as recent as that, is not credited...
so I can't figure out how his readers know who I am.
Coincidentally, also today, Byron Erickson sent me a batch of other
foreign issues that he's set aside that have my stories. This included several
more Italian digests where the stories WEREN'T all recut and reassembled like
how they screwed up my poor 60th Birthday DD tale. But one of the things he sent
were a stack of French PICSOUs that had the Lo$ stories, but which also gave me
credits and little write-ups for each episode. I had no idea I was getting that
kind of attention in France! This is what I mean by how odd it is to be sitting
here in Kentucky, ignored and forlorn (sob), not even knowing that I'm getting
all this attention in European comics and comic fanzines. How weird.
A final bit of news: I gave a 2 hour phone interview today which will be
part of a ten page report on Duck comics which will appear in one of the next
issues of (of all things!) HERO ILLUSTRATED. This will be nice publicity for
Disney comics, and results not from any publicity efforts from Gladstone but
simply because one or two friends I have at HERO are such Duck fans themselves,
though they must normally repress that when writing for a magazine which caters
to the teenage super-hero fanboy Duck-haters. They are very nice to devote 10
pages to this and I hope it's a good write-up. Naturally, America being what it
is, it will also include a price guide in order to justify Duck comics to
American readers who equate the purpose of a comic book as its resale value as
they are already figuring how they're going to sell something even before they
buy it. But that's how it is here. HERO is still to be commended.
Well... the package of fanmail forwarded from the Finnish editor arrived
today. It was all of 20 letters. Rather embarrassing, I should think,
considering the readership he solicited them from is 350,000 per week. I began
to assume that these were simply letters that had accumulated in his office
uninvited, but now you say that he mentioned in print that people should send
letters to me and that I would reply? That ain't many letters, is it?
(Sigh)... yes, I guess I will try to answer them somehow, even if it's a
computer generated letter with a signature. If he implied in print that I would
reply to the mail he'd send me, that really was presumptious of him, but I'll
try. I guess one reason I was sorry there weren't more letters is that 20 is not
TOO too many to at least TRY to reply to.
How did he ask for this fanmail? I have never seen credits given in
Finnish issues, so how do these readers know which stories I've done? Did he ask
for mail for Barks as well? And for other Egmont artists? (That might explain
that most mail naturally went to Barks, as it should, and to others, leaving
only 20 letters for me.)
Anyway, the editor ALSO sent me all the Finnish issues that have featured
my stories in 1994 and 1995 ("Croesus"). So I don't need those from you or any
other Finnish friends; however, if you've already sent more, I'll be glad to
have them. Still, he might have missed some issue -- for instance, none of these
issues have this request for fanmail or have any articles about who I am for
people to know to write to me. The #2000 has an article about Barks and Van
Horn, but my "Croesus" story, in an issue as recent as that, is not credited...
so I can't figure out how his readers know who I am.
Coincidentally, also today, Byron Erickson sent me a batch of other
foreign issues that he's set aside that have my stories. This included several
more Italian digests where the stories WEREN'T all recut and reassembled like
how they screwed up my poor 60th Birthday DD tale. But one of the things he sent
were a stack of French PICSOUs that had the Lo$ stories, but which also gave me
credits and little write-ups for each episode. I had no idea I was getting that
kind of attention in France! This is what I mean by how odd it is to be sitting
here in Kentucky, ignored and forlorn (sob), not even knowing that I'm getting
all this attention in European comics and comic fanzines. How weird.
A final bit of news: I gave a 2 hour phone interview today which will be
part of a ten page report on Duck comics which will appear in one of the next
issues of (of all things!) HERO ILLUSTRATED. This will be nice publicity for
Disney comics, and results not from any publicity efforts from Gladstone but
simply because one or two friends I have at HERO are such Duck fans themselves,
though they must normally repress that when writing for a magazine which caters
to the teenage super-hero fanboy Duck-haters. They are very nice to devote 10
pages to this and I hope it's a good write-up. Naturally, America being what it
is, it will also include a price guide in order to justify Duck comics to
American readers who equate the purpose of a comic book as its resale value as
they are already figuring how they're going to sell something even before they
buy it. But that's how it is here. HERO is still to be commended.
Elon V. Brisola
Mickey Mouse Spy Comics
Message 134 -
1995-02-17 at 12:40:58
Harry wrote:
>Those "Mickey Mouse Super Secret Agent" stories were written by
>Don Christensen, and drawn by Dan Spiegle (the realistic art) and Paul
>Murry (Mickey and Goofy). There are at least two 24-page stories:
>"Assignment Time-Lock" in Mickey Mouse #107, reprinted in Gladstone's MM
> Digest #2;
>"Aircraft Carrier At 2 O'Clock High" in Mickey Mouse 108, reprinted in
> MM Digest #4.
>I seem to remember there was a third one, but I'm not sure. At least it's
>not mentioned in our Database.
Then Jorgen wrote:
>Could this third one be the story where Mickey and Goofy are hired to find
>that little thing which makes things invisible?
Then Paulo found a Brazilian reprint of the above mentioned story.
I checked last night, and found the three spy stories, as originally
published here in Brazil:
Revista Mickey 168 (Oct/66) - "Operacao Unidade Invisivel" - this is the
first story, where Mickey and Goofy are hired as secret agents. I think
this is the one mentioned by Jorgen.
Revista Mickey 172 (Feb/67) - "Um Porta Avioes No Ceu" - this is
"Aircraft Carrier at 2 O'Clock High".
Revista Mickey 174 (Apr/67) - "O Misterio do Desfiladeiro da Neblina" -
could be translated as The Mistery of Foggy Canyon, or something like
that. They find King Solomon's mines in this one.
No story codes were given by the Brazilian publisher at that time.
Cheers,
Elon
>Those "Mickey Mouse Super Secret Agent" stories were written by
>Don Christensen, and drawn by Dan Spiegle (the realistic art) and Paul
>Murry (Mickey and Goofy). There are at least two 24-page stories:
>"Assignment Time-Lock" in Mickey Mouse #107, reprinted in Gladstone's MM
> Digest #2;
>"Aircraft Carrier At 2 O'Clock High" in Mickey Mouse 108, reprinted in
> MM Digest #4.
>I seem to remember there was a third one, but I'm not sure. At least it's
>not mentioned in our Database.
Then Jorgen wrote:
>Could this third one be the story where Mickey and Goofy are hired to find
>that little thing which makes things invisible?
Then Paulo found a Brazilian reprint of the above mentioned story.
I checked last night, and found the three spy stories, as originally
published here in Brazil:
Revista Mickey 168 (Oct/66) - "Operacao Unidade Invisivel" - this is the
first story, where Mickey and Goofy are hired as secret agents. I think
this is the one mentioned by Jorgen.
Revista Mickey 172 (Feb/67) - "Um Porta Avioes No Ceu" - this is
"Aircraft Carrier at 2 O'Clock High".
Revista Mickey 174 (Apr/67) - "O Misterio do Desfiladeiro da Neblina" -
could be translated as The Mistery of Foggy Canyon, or something like
that. They find King Solomon's mines in this one.
No story codes were given by the Brazilian publisher at that time.
Cheers,
Elon
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Pete's age (again)
Message 135 -
1995-02-17 at 13:41:55
Dear Folks,
Yesterday, I said that Pete's first appearance in the MM daily
strip was on 15 April 1930. For reasons too lengthy to explain, I
have the relevant strips here in Scotland, and I noticed that I
pulled a boner. Pete isn't even in the 15 April strip, but he IS in
the 12 April strip. THAT's his first comic appearance.
I'll be back, after reading the Digest...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Yesterday, I said that Pete's first appearance in the MM daily
strip was on 15 April 1930. For reasons too lengthy to explain, I
have the relevant strips here in Scotland, and I noticed that I
pulled a boner. Pete isn't even in the 15 April strip, but he IS in
the 12 April strip. THAT's his first comic appearance.
I'll be back, after reading the Digest...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>