I said:
> Barks showed more than 6 Beagles, so there must have
> been other numbers than permutations of 176.
Nisse:
> With 167-176 there can be up to 36 Beagle Boys
But I thought the first 3 digits were always fixed: 176. That only leaves
6 combinations. As David explained, this is only true in Barks' later
stories.
----
Jo/rgen:
> - Donald Duck (H8316, 10 pages). Art by Jan Guldbrandsen.
David:
> In English, this one has to be
> one of the very worst Dutch stories I have ever read! I can only
> imagine that some other translations must have been more inspired.
Jan Gulbransson (note the spelling) always has that kind of weird
motivations in his stories. It's not the British translation. But
his artwork and gag situations are quite good.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
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H.W. Fluks
Beagles and Gulbransson (digest #608)
Message 61 -
1995-03-13 at 12:28:50
Tryg Helseth
Counts and amounts
Message 62 -
1995-03-13 at 12:41:33
Wes Andersen counting US listers and Beagle numbers:
>Pick any number, multiply by 2, add 32, divide by three and a half and add
>four. Sevens every time! (I believe Barks used a similar formula to calculate the
>Beagle Boys' numbers.)
Hmmmm... I think you may have left a step out there... shouldn't you
multply by zero and add severn? :) As for the beagles, has anyone ever
found significance the the digits 1, 6, and 7? Any idea why Barks honed in
on those numbers? I wonder if it isn't a private joke of Unca Carls, like
an old street address or something. BTW, my favorite Beagle was 176-671; I
always liked his symetrical number. (Can such a number be a called a
palindrome, or does that only apply to words?)
Don Rosa on counts and attention span:
> No, No... Mr.Doberman [...] said there were only *4* American readers
> on-line here [...] 8 American readers of Disney comics > TOTAL, on-line or
> not. other words, he's exaggerating (slightly). He's kidding. S'only a joke.
And I thought he said there were 7 total...must be my short attention span
after all!
> You did seem to accept his comments about what short attention spans
>Americans have and what poor writers/readers we are without questioning those
>remarks. But then, that was no exaggeration, was it? I see your point.
Now I think you're confusing my short attention span with someone elses; I
don't remember commenting on Americans as poor writers/readers, but then if
you say I made a good point, I'll be happy to take credit for it. :)
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.com>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
>Pick any number, multiply by 2, add 32, divide by three and a half and add
>four. Sevens every time! (I believe Barks used a similar formula to calculate the
>Beagle Boys' numbers.)
Hmmmm... I think you may have left a step out there... shouldn't you
multply by zero and add severn? :) As for the beagles, has anyone ever
found significance the the digits 1, 6, and 7? Any idea why Barks honed in
on those numbers? I wonder if it isn't a private joke of Unca Carls, like
an old street address or something. BTW, my favorite Beagle was 176-671; I
always liked his symetrical number. (Can such a number be a called a
palindrome, or does that only apply to words?)
Don Rosa on counts and attention span:
> No, No... Mr.Doberman [...] said there were only *4* American readers
> on-line here [...] 8 American readers of Disney comics > TOTAL, on-line or
> not. other words, he's exaggerating (slightly). He's kidding. S'only a joke.
And I thought he said there were 7 total...must be my short attention span
after all!
> You did seem to accept his comments about what short attention spans
>Americans have and what poor writers/readers we are without questioning those
>remarks. But then, that was no exaggeration, was it? I see your point.
Now I think you're confusing my short attention span with someone elses; I
don't remember commenting on Americans as poor writers/readers, but then if
you say I made a good point, I'll be happy to take credit for it. :)
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.com>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Knut Hunstad
Oak island
Message 63 -
1995-03-13 at 12:50:06
Hi!
Upon Don's question, I would just like to say that Oak Island is one of the
few treasures/stories I know without reading about it in a comic! I mean,
I'm quite sure I didn't hear about the "Wise men's stone" (sorry, I don't
know the english name, but you the know one that turns everything into
gold), the "well of youth" and lots of those stories before reading about
them in comics.
I read about Oak Island in a book from the norwegian "Reader's Digest"
company (Det Beste) called something like "Unsolved mysteries" when I was
little. Already then I suspected they didn't put too much work in finding
the _true_ stories! But I am still a little curious about it (thanks for the
information from Nova Scotia!) and could well imagine a Disney story around
this.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Upon Don's question, I would just like to say that Oak Island is one of the
few treasures/stories I know without reading about it in a comic! I mean,
I'm quite sure I didn't hear about the "Wise men's stone" (sorry, I don't
know the english name, but you the know one that turns everything into
gold), the "well of youth" and lots of those stories before reading about
them in comics.
I read about Oak Island in a book from the norwegian "Reader's Digest"
company (Det Beste) called something like "Unsolved mysteries" when I was
little. Already then I suspected they didn't put too much work in finding
the _true_ stories! But I am still a little curious about it (thanks for the
information from Nova Scotia!) and could well imagine a Disney story around
this.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #608.
Message 64 -
1995-03-13 at 16:04:31
PER:
Try sending the next Digest to both my INTERNET and COMPUSERVE addresses,
and I'll see if I have my programs alligned right to get it off INTERNET; if
not, it'll be here for me on COMPUSERVE. Okay?
ON BEAGLE BOYS:
Barks' final version of the Beagles' numbers had them all begin with the
"176" prefix. As someone said, that means there can only be 6 Beagles. The most
Barks ever showed in one story was 7, so that's the number I never exceed (I'm
not checking these numbers -- maybe I mean 8, but I think it was 7). But it's
possible to show more than 6 Beagles all in one panel as long as ONE'S number is
unreadable. Simple trick.
There was one exception to the above law -- in "The Paul Bunyon Machine"
in one panel Barks showed 12 Beagles advancing on $crooge. I think Barks'
intention was that anytime he showed a big crowd of Beagles, there were actually
more, perhaps LOTS more in the group than he was showing in any panel. This is
indicated in a very puzzling panel in the early untitled story that is now
called "Hawaiian Hideaway" or "Menihune Mystery" where $crooge has become the
Beagles' slave and at one point says something like "I just shined the shoes of
37 Beagle Boys" (again, I'm not checking for accuracy).
BEV:
Yes, as I implied, I know all those extra facts about Oak Island, but
they are all of the dubious nature of being rather unsubstantiated or too
inexplicable or too trivial. Somebody found some coconut hull fibers. Wow. Or a
piece of gold chain. Or parchment. I can see the con man who was running the
digging projects tossing little bits of mystery down into the sandy pit just so
his disgruntled backers wouldn't pull until he milked them a little longer. The
most dubious part of the story is that if someone did have a treasure to bury,
why not simply bury it and be done with it? If no one knows where it is, it's
as safe as if it were at the bottom of some sandy booby-trapped pit. If it WAS
buried at the bottom of that booby-trapped pit, how would the burrier dig it
back up? There are literally hundreds of fabulous lost treasures about which FAR
more is known and are far more interesting to write about than the Oak Island
Treasure Hole. And, as David just said, the story has been done already, so we
don't need to think about it.
WILMER:
Please, I wasn't reading ARGOSY or TRUE or any of those other "men's
sweaty adventure" magazines with the topless Nazi babes whipping GIs on the
cover, either when I was a kid in the 60s or any other time. The magazines I was
reading were (as I recall) LONG JOHN LATHAM'S TRUE TREASURE and TREASURE WORLD.
They were very amateurish things, sorta like treasure-hunter fanzines. I thought
I'd lost my collections of them for over 15 years, but I just located them in
the bottom of a box a few months ago (a true treasure story in itself) and they
are now here in my library.
Try sending the next Digest to both my INTERNET and COMPUSERVE addresses,
and I'll see if I have my programs alligned right to get it off INTERNET; if
not, it'll be here for me on COMPUSERVE. Okay?
ON BEAGLE BOYS:
Barks' final version of the Beagles' numbers had them all begin with the
"176" prefix. As someone said, that means there can only be 6 Beagles. The most
Barks ever showed in one story was 7, so that's the number I never exceed (I'm
not checking these numbers -- maybe I mean 8, but I think it was 7). But it's
possible to show more than 6 Beagles all in one panel as long as ONE'S number is
unreadable. Simple trick.
There was one exception to the above law -- in "The Paul Bunyon Machine"
in one panel Barks showed 12 Beagles advancing on $crooge. I think Barks'
intention was that anytime he showed a big crowd of Beagles, there were actually
more, perhaps LOTS more in the group than he was showing in any panel. This is
indicated in a very puzzling panel in the early untitled story that is now
called "Hawaiian Hideaway" or "Menihune Mystery" where $crooge has become the
Beagles' slave and at one point says something like "I just shined the shoes of
37 Beagle Boys" (again, I'm not checking for accuracy).
BEV:
Yes, as I implied, I know all those extra facts about Oak Island, but
they are all of the dubious nature of being rather unsubstantiated or too
inexplicable or too trivial. Somebody found some coconut hull fibers. Wow. Or a
piece of gold chain. Or parchment. I can see the con man who was running the
digging projects tossing little bits of mystery down into the sandy pit just so
his disgruntled backers wouldn't pull until he milked them a little longer. The
most dubious part of the story is that if someone did have a treasure to bury,
why not simply bury it and be done with it? If no one knows where it is, it's
as safe as if it were at the bottom of some sandy booby-trapped pit. If it WAS
buried at the bottom of that booby-trapped pit, how would the burrier dig it
back up? There are literally hundreds of fabulous lost treasures about which FAR
more is known and are far more interesting to write about than the Oak Island
Treasure Hole. And, as David just said, the story has been done already, so we
don't need to think about it.
WILMER:
Please, I wasn't reading ARGOSY or TRUE or any of those other "men's
sweaty adventure" magazines with the topless Nazi babes whipping GIs on the
cover, either when I was a kid in the 60s or any other time. The magazines I was
reading were (as I recall) LONG JOHN LATHAM'S TRUE TREASURE and TREASURE WORLD.
They were very amateurish things, sorta like treasure-hunter fanzines. I thought
I'd lost my collections of them for over 15 years, but I just located them in
the bottom of a box a few months ago (a true treasure story in itself) and they
are now here in my library.
Tryg Helseth
Uncle Walt's Collectery
Message 65 -
1995-03-14 at 00:58:26
I just received issue number 1114 of The Comics Buyer Guide today. The
Gladstone ad on the back mentioned a 7th title, Uncle Walt's Collectery,
has been added to their Disney comics line. It is briefly described as "a
bimonthly showcase for all the popular characters of the Disney comics
universe."
Does anyone have more information on this series? Will it cover characters
currently ignored in the current Ducks and Mice lineup, or will it just be
more of the same? (Has this been discussed here already and I just missed
it?)
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.com>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Gladstone ad on the back mentioned a 7th title, Uncle Walt's Collectery,
has been added to their Disney comics line. It is briefly described as "a
bimonthly showcase for all the popular characters of the Disney comics
universe."
Does anyone have more information on this series? Will it cover characters
currently ignored in the current Ducks and Mice lineup, or will it just be
more of the same? (Has this been discussed here already and I just missed
it?)
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.com>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
H.W. Fluks
Paperetta Ye-ye
Message 66 -
1995-03-14 at 09:57:18
In reply to Jo/rgen, I was talking about
> Paperetta Ye-ye, a recurring character created by
> Giorgio Cavazzano.
Wrong. She was created by Scarpa.
--Harry.
> Paperetta Ye-ye, a recurring character created by
> Giorgio Cavazzano.
Wrong. She was created by Scarpa.
--Harry.
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #609.
Message 67 -
1995-03-14 at 18:01:35
DON:
Besides the shoe-shining incident in "Hawaiian Hideaway," the
tied-up BB in "Message from Mysterious Island" (US 8, skunk-cabbage
story) mentions 30 Beagles at one point, I believe. It may be in one
of the two pages that got cut.
Someone may be interested to know that when I use more than
three Beagles in the story, I always put Egmont's three (167, 671,
761) in the forefront. For example, in my upcoming "Return to
Morgan's Island."
Pat Block and Ron Fernandez distinguish between Huey, Dewey,
and Louie quite distinctively. They make Huey the thoughtful, brave
one, and Louie (I think) impetuous and cocky. I don't remember
what attributes they give Dewey. Then they note who's who in blue
pencil on the art, so that the colorist can color them right. Sadly,
any such attempt will fall apart in every other country's use of PB
stories, because Egmont will color a version and Oberon will color a
version and... and... [etc]
An article about Scarpa in some 1st-series Gladstone named a
few of the characters who haven't yet appeared in actual English
translations of stories.
Paperetta Ye Ye = "Dickie Duck"
Filo Sganga = "Jubal Cock," but Van Horn just used him in WDC
597 and gave him a (very different) English name. If we're willing
to accept Van Horn's use as an anomaly, then Scarpa's English name
can stand (although Disney would probably frown on a character with
the last name "Cock" just as they disliked my story being called
"Bugged by Humbuggery".
HARRY:
Can you "grep" the old digests for the first reference to Moe
by name? We found the "Moe" first, when someone saw that a translator
didn't quite obliterate the name from a sign. Then the next day, an
Australian reader, his memory refreshed, gave the full name. He
might have spelled it "Hardhaid Mo" at first, then corrected it to
"Moe" -- but what I want to do is find out once and for all what this
character's full name is! Hard or hog? I'm finishing my story with
him now and I want to make sure everything works out right...
I'll be back at least once, folks, before leaving for the
States for a couple of weeks.
Best, David
Besides the shoe-shining incident in "Hawaiian Hideaway," the
tied-up BB in "Message from Mysterious Island" (US 8, skunk-cabbage
story) mentions 30 Beagles at one point, I believe. It may be in one
of the two pages that got cut.
Someone may be interested to know that when I use more than
three Beagles in the story, I always put Egmont's three (167, 671,
761) in the forefront. For example, in my upcoming "Return to
Morgan's Island."
Pat Block and Ron Fernandez distinguish between Huey, Dewey,
and Louie quite distinctively. They make Huey the thoughtful, brave
one, and Louie (I think) impetuous and cocky. I don't remember
what attributes they give Dewey. Then they note who's who in blue
pencil on the art, so that the colorist can color them right. Sadly,
any such attempt will fall apart in every other country's use of PB
stories, because Egmont will color a version and Oberon will color a
version and... and... [etc]
An article about Scarpa in some 1st-series Gladstone named a
few of the characters who haven't yet appeared in actual English
translations of stories.
Paperetta Ye Ye = "Dickie Duck"
Filo Sganga = "Jubal Cock," but Van Horn just used him in WDC
597 and gave him a (very different) English name. If we're willing
to accept Van Horn's use as an anomaly, then Scarpa's English name
can stand (although Disney would probably frown on a character with
the last name "Cock" just as they disliked my story being called
"Bugged by Humbuggery".
HARRY:
Can you "grep" the old digests for the first reference to Moe
by name? We found the "Moe" first, when someone saw that a translator
didn't quite obliterate the name from a sign. Then the next day, an
Australian reader, his memory refreshed, gave the full name. He
might have spelled it "Hardhaid Mo" at first, then corrected it to
"Moe" -- but what I want to do is find out once and for all what this
character's full name is! Hard or hog? I'm finishing my story with
him now and I want to make sure everything works out right...
I'll be back at least once, folks, before leaving for the
States for a couple of weeks.
Best, David
H.W. Fluks
Moe agin - old digests archive
Message 68 -
1995-03-14 at 18:53:36
David:
> Can you "grep" the old digests for the first reference to Moe by name?
I don't have access to the old digests before #448 at the moment. They
are somewhere on a floppy disk several miles away. And I can't ftp...
Andrew Davies suggested Hard Haid Moe last January, and the Dutch translation
"Stijfhoofd" also points that way.
Of course, that's no 100% guarantee...
Maybe someone else can look at the old digests?
--Harry.
while (readNextStory(lInputFiles, &lStoryWithIssues))
{
completeEntries(&lStoryWithIssues);
writeStoryEntry(lStoryOutputFile, &lStoryWithIssues);
writeIssueEntries(&lStoryWithIssues);
}
> Can you "grep" the old digests for the first reference to Moe by name?
I don't have access to the old digests before #448 at the moment. They
are somewhere on a floppy disk several miles away. And I can't ftp...
Andrew Davies suggested Hard Haid Moe last January, and the Dutch translation
"Stijfhoofd" also points that way.
Of course, that's no 100% guarantee...
Maybe someone else can look at the old digests?
--Harry.
while (readNextStory(lInputFiles, &lStoryWithIssues))
{
completeEntries(&lStoryWithIssues);
writeStoryEntry(lStoryOutputFile, &lStoryWithIssues);
writeIssueEntries(&lStoryWithIssues);
}
Per Starback
Moe agin - old digests archive
Message 69 -
1995-03-14 at 20:01:00
David asked again about the name of that infamous Moe character:
Looking through old mailings to this list all I can find is this:
August 1994: Anders Engwall spotted an untranslated "Moe" on a sign in
a story with Moe published in Sweden.
September 1994: Andrew Davies from Australia (where some of those
stories actually have been printed in English) said that he is called
"Hard Haid Mo".
Gilbert Roser wrote that his English name is "Hog Haid Moe" and that
he got that from an Australian comic book.
Then some people called him this and some people called him that on
the list without ever being a consensus on the name or any new data.
Later Andrew said that he might have been wrong about the name.
Gilbert said from the outset that he was sure about the name, but
neither he had the comics in front of him when posting.
February 1995: Harry wrote that when he appeared in the Dutch comics
once his Dutch name means "Mister Hard Head" which seems to support
the Hard-Haid fraction.
Sorry, I don't think we have any more conclusive evidence than this.
I still haven't figured out why you'd want to do a story with Moe by
the way.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Looking through old mailings to this list all I can find is this:
August 1994: Anders Engwall spotted an untranslated "Moe" on a sign in
a story with Moe published in Sweden.
September 1994: Andrew Davies from Australia (where some of those
stories actually have been printed in English) said that he is called
"Hard Haid Mo".
Gilbert Roser wrote that his English name is "Hog Haid Moe" and that
he got that from an Australian comic book.
Then some people called him this and some people called him that on
the list without ever being a consensus on the name or any new data.
Later Andrew said that he might have been wrong about the name.
Gilbert said from the outset that he was sure about the name, but
neither he had the comics in front of him when posting.
February 1995: Harry wrote that when he appeared in the Dutch comics
once his Dutch name means "Mister Hard Head" which seems to support
the Hard-Haid fraction.
Sorry, I don't think we have any more conclusive evidence than this.
I still haven't figured out why you'd want to do a story with Moe by
the way.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Cdoberman
Disney-comics digest #608.
Message 70 -
1995-03-14 at 22:14:36
David : "Wes, I hope your recent posting was a joke!"
Why, David, did you laugh? ;)
I couldn't agree with you more regarding the stretched out, stale pace of
Gladstone's serials. I feel like it's an awfully cheap way to provide
content. To have been reading Monarch since August kills the suspense.
Since I have not read it before, I have no idea how much longer I'll be
reading this. I've shared my feelings with Gladstone. However, I'm sure
glad they're printing it.
Why, David, did you laugh? ;)
I couldn't agree with you more regarding the stretched out, stale pace of
Gladstone's serials. I feel like it's an awfully cheap way to provide
content. To have been reading Monarch since August kills the suspense.
Since I have not read it before, I have no idea how much longer I'll be
reading this. I've shared my feelings with Gladstone. However, I'm sure
glad they're printing it.
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
A lot of things
Message 71 -
1995-03-15 at 00:18:08
WES:
>Holy Cow! -- Printed in ONE magazine??
Yes. Donald pocket #162. 256 pages of Italian stories each month. Such
long stories are quite rare though. Usually the longest stories are about
70 pages.
Donald Duck (H8316, 10 pages)
-----------------------------
DAVID:
Do you mean the story is probably badly hurt by the British script, or
just bad anyway?
I certainly disagree with you on this story. The long start of the
story is there to show how poor Donald is. Then Gladstone shows up and
shows how easy he gets everything he wants. Then the competition with
Gladstone starts. Donald wants to show that what Gladstone can do, he
can do better. Donald is, as usual, exaggerating. Maybe a bit more than
usual. He dresses up as, well, something, and equips himself with a lot
of technical equipments to help him in the job. Of course it wouldn't be
that fun being an expert if he couldn't show it to anybody -- therefore
the performance.
That part with Scrooge is a bit unclear. I can't imagine Scrooge
would have thrown that bill from the bridge at all. Anyway -- Donald, as
the expert of finding money, will have to catch it.
Then, at last, Gladstone wins the competition, which he don't even
knows he was taking part in, by finding the coin.
In the Norwegian script the coin was very valuable, that's why
Scrooge wants the coin. This is not one of he coins he have earned
himself, therefore it doesn't mean anything but money to him -- it
doesn't hurt him to sell it. Donald wants his part of this, and therefore
he has to find it in the money bin. Gladstone disappears. He doesn't need
the money.
DAVID (about Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs):
>if this is that same, 1937 adaptation that's appeared umpteen times
It is. It has appeared umpteen times here too (and one redrawn). I think
the oldest one was partly sensored, but later it has been published
complete. Funny though... the colouring in this Marvel edition looks
remarkably alike the first Norwegian edition. Don't have that one here,
so I can't tell it for sure.
ME:
> [..] a ten-pager with the Dwarfs fighting against
> The Witch. No credits, except for editors and colourists.
HARRY:
>This most likely is the story in WDC 47, "The 7 dwarfs and the Wicked
>Witch"
Yup. It's that one.
ME:
> The story is I-1993, and is a sequel to another long story,
> which code I don't remember. The story is really good. The art is
> good to (Scarpa?).
HARRY:
>I think it is more likely to be Cavazzano than Scarpa.
No, it's not Scarpa -- but Cavazzano? I thought his style looked quite
different from Scarpa. The style is quite similar to Scarpa's (older
style).
PER (to DAVID):
>I still haven't figured out why you'd want to do a story with Moe by
>the way.
Neither have I... Wonder if they'll remember him and give him his
Norwegian name when the story appears here.
BTW: A finnish member of the list told me he thought the dog was
called Hannibal in Finland. Quite recently I read a (bad) Moe story
from 1974, which I hadn't read before. There (in Norwegian) the dog
is called "Snusen" (Sniffer, or Snouser?).
Then back to a few things from earlier letters.
Me:
>- The Beagle Boys (D93304, 6 pages). Art by Xavi.
David:
>Doesn't look like Xavi to me.
I'm not in doubt anymore. This has to be Xavi. I've looked at some
pseudo-Branca stories, and found that the art is Xavi. He has improved
a lot in some things, but in others he has made the art simpler. Those
ears on the Beagle Boys, and other characters, are Xavi's.
I don't have the art story with Minnie and Mickey here, but you
mentioned that it could have been done by the same who did that Horace
and Goofy story. The art in the BB story doesn't look like this at all.
Me (about a contest in Swedish KA):
>Oops -- I was a little quick there. I thought these were stories already
>published.
No, I wasn't. The panels were from stories in that issue.
Jorgen
>Holy Cow! -- Printed in ONE magazine??
Yes. Donald pocket #162. 256 pages of Italian stories each month. Such
long stories are quite rare though. Usually the longest stories are about
70 pages.
Donald Duck (H8316, 10 pages)
-----------------------------
DAVID:
Do you mean the story is probably badly hurt by the British script, or
just bad anyway?
I certainly disagree with you on this story. The long start of the
story is there to show how poor Donald is. Then Gladstone shows up and
shows how easy he gets everything he wants. Then the competition with
Gladstone starts. Donald wants to show that what Gladstone can do, he
can do better. Donald is, as usual, exaggerating. Maybe a bit more than
usual. He dresses up as, well, something, and equips himself with a lot
of technical equipments to help him in the job. Of course it wouldn't be
that fun being an expert if he couldn't show it to anybody -- therefore
the performance.
That part with Scrooge is a bit unclear. I can't imagine Scrooge
would have thrown that bill from the bridge at all. Anyway -- Donald, as
the expert of finding money, will have to catch it.
Then, at last, Gladstone wins the competition, which he don't even
knows he was taking part in, by finding the coin.
In the Norwegian script the coin was very valuable, that's why
Scrooge wants the coin. This is not one of he coins he have earned
himself, therefore it doesn't mean anything but money to him -- it
doesn't hurt him to sell it. Donald wants his part of this, and therefore
he has to find it in the money bin. Gladstone disappears. He doesn't need
the money.
DAVID (about Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs):
>if this is that same, 1937 adaptation that's appeared umpteen times
It is. It has appeared umpteen times here too (and one redrawn). I think
the oldest one was partly sensored, but later it has been published
complete. Funny though... the colouring in this Marvel edition looks
remarkably alike the first Norwegian edition. Don't have that one here,
so I can't tell it for sure.
ME:
> [..] a ten-pager with the Dwarfs fighting against
> The Witch. No credits, except for editors and colourists.
HARRY:
>This most likely is the story in WDC 47, "The 7 dwarfs and the Wicked
>Witch"
Yup. It's that one.
ME:
> The story is I-1993, and is a sequel to another long story,
> which code I don't remember. The story is really good. The art is
> good to (Scarpa?).
HARRY:
>I think it is more likely to be Cavazzano than Scarpa.
No, it's not Scarpa -- but Cavazzano? I thought his style looked quite
different from Scarpa. The style is quite similar to Scarpa's (older
style).
PER (to DAVID):
>I still haven't figured out why you'd want to do a story with Moe by
>the way.
Neither have I... Wonder if they'll remember him and give him his
Norwegian name when the story appears here.
BTW: A finnish member of the list told me he thought the dog was
called Hannibal in Finland. Quite recently I read a (bad) Moe story
from 1974, which I hadn't read before. There (in Norwegian) the dog
is called "Snusen" (Sniffer, or Snouser?).
Then back to a few things from earlier letters.
Me:
>- The Beagle Boys (D93304, 6 pages). Art by Xavi.
David:
>Doesn't look like Xavi to me.
I'm not in doubt anymore. This has to be Xavi. I've looked at some
pseudo-Branca stories, and found that the art is Xavi. He has improved
a lot in some things, but in others he has made the art simpler. Those
ears on the Beagle Boys, and other characters, are Xavi's.
I don't have the art story with Minnie and Mickey here, but you
mentioned that it could have been done by the same who did that Horace
and Goofy story. The art in the BB story doesn't look like this at all.
Me (about a contest in Swedish KA):
>Oops -- I was a little quick there. I thought these were stories already
>published.
No, I wasn't. The panels were from stories in that issue.
Jorgen
ADEBLIEC
Disney-comics digest #610.
Message 72 -
1995-03-15 at 05:39:54
DAVID:
I just read The Lentils of Babylon straight through this morning. (Ah,
the pleasures of Spring Break!) And I just finished, likewise, writing
my letter is glowing praise of it, as well as your scripting.
The story was great, first of all. I can see how it is one of your
favorites. It's now one of mine. Everything works - from the non-
linear storytelling to the implied ending to the complicated plot
revolving around anything and everything from the intricacies of the
stock market to the way advertising works.
I thought you added some great puns to the story, too. A couple had me
laughing out loud, in fact. I love both bad and good puns. Yes, there
were a couple of panels I thought were too wordy, but there weren't
_too_ many. Good job, overall.
Can't wait for the next issue now to read "Only a poor old man..." (I know,
I probably muffed the title up something awful. Apologies in advance.)
-Augie
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Drew University - servant dominates..."
(201) 408-8067 - -Billy Joel
I just read The Lentils of Babylon straight through this morning. (Ah,
the pleasures of Spring Break!) And I just finished, likewise, writing
my letter is glowing praise of it, as well as your scripting.
The story was great, first of all. I can see how it is one of your
favorites. It's now one of mine. Everything works - from the non-
linear storytelling to the implied ending to the complicated plot
revolving around anything and everything from the intricacies of the
stock market to the way advertising works.
I thought you added some great puns to the story, too. A couple had me
laughing out loud, in fact. I love both bad and good puns. Yes, there
were a couple of panels I thought were too wordy, but there weren't
_too_ many. Good job, overall.
Can't wait for the next issue now to read "Only a poor old man..." (I know,
I probably muffed the title up something awful. Apologies in advance.)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "I'm a statistic in a system that a civil
Drew University - servant dominates..."
(201) 408-8067 - -Billy Joel
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #610.
Message 73 -
1995-03-15 at 08:15:00
TRYG, AND ALL:
UNCLE WALT'S COLLECTORY? Yes, I've known about that for some time,
since I am doing the lead story (the NEW story) for the first issue. I was
waiting for Gladstone to announce the title before I mentioned it. This is
the "Showcase" type title they wanted to start about a year ago, but at the
time Disney wouldn't allow it (I think because somebody was on vacation and
somebody else was scared to okay it or some sorta typical corporate weasel
reason like that). Each issue will be something different with the comics
title in small lettering sorta like "Uncle Walt's Collectory presents...".
Anyway, the first issue will contain the first story I've done for
Gladstone since 1988 (or '89?) and the issue will be "Uncle Walt's
Collectory presents UNCLE $CROOGE IN THE YUKON" and will contain my first
addendum chapter to "the Life and Times of $crooge McDuck", chapter 8B I
guess. Actually, it's a story that fits into $crooge's Yukon adventures
between the flashbacks in Barks' "Back to the Yukon" and my own "Last Sled
to Dawson". This story MIGHT be the first of 4 or 5 annual Yukon-$crooge
stories that I'm doing partly for the Dawson City - Yukon Gold Rush
centennial celebration that will be 1995-1999. These will be used as some
sorta souvenirs in Canada I guess -- I'm not sure what all Hamilton has
worked out with the Dawson City Fathers. The 1995 centennial involves the
NorthWest Mounted Police who established a Yukon fort in 1895... so I had to
involve them in the tale. What I've done is a 24-pager where Glittering
Goldie sends the Mounties after $crooge to arrest him for kidnapping her and
making her work his claim on White Agony Creek.
It's veeeerrrrryyy touchy trying to do a story with Goldie. My idea
is that Barks did the one and only story there can ever be about Goldie and
$crooge. I only used Goldie as a background observer in my chapter 8 of
"Lo$"... and the last time I used her (even then, NOT in a flashback
sequence) was in "Last Sled to Dawson" in 1987. So I knew I could do a
Goldie-$crooge story set in 1898, but ONLY if I did NOT have them interact.
So throughout my story, even though they are both the stars, they NEVER come
into contact with each other until the climax in big "Gone With the Wind"
fire scene where they confront each other across the blazing Blackjack
Ballroom, and... oh, that's enough. You can see it in June or July and see
if it's any good. Actually, I sorta like this story, and I usually dislike
my stuff. I still won't have it finished for another few weeks.
The rest of the issue will be reprints of other old Disney stories
that involve the Yukon. But no Barks/Ducks since Gladstone/Disney has
recently reprinted both of those ("Back to the Klondike" and "North of the
Yukon"... if you even count the latter, which actually takes place in Alaska).
HARRY:
I'm trying to get established on INTERNET and learn to find my way
around there. I see there's a section done in Holland concerning comics, but
there wasn't anything on it about Ducks, and in another section where I
THINK (it was in Dutch) favorite comics were being listed, I saw hardly
anything about Barks/Ducks (and no mention of "Rosa" which naturally I was
hoping to see!) Aren't the Ducks as popular in Holland as I thought?
PER:
Again, I'm just now trying to learn about INTERNET. But why don't I
see this newsgroup mentioned in any lists of comic sections or newsgroups?
Or am I just missing it? Where do people who are "surfing the Net" find out
about this group? Maybe I'll figure that out when I learn more about it.
Anyway, no need for anyone to send me mail through COMPUSERVE any
longer. I'm now donrosa at iglou.com on INTERNET. Now I won't need to PAY to
read mail or Digests... however, I now need to pay a new server so that I
don't have to pay to read INTERNET mail -- so it's all gonna work out pretty
close to the same in the end, unless I drp COMPUSERVE completely, which I
well might.
UNCLE WALT'S COLLECTORY? Yes, I've known about that for some time,
since I am doing the lead story (the NEW story) for the first issue. I was
waiting for Gladstone to announce the title before I mentioned it. This is
the "Showcase" type title they wanted to start about a year ago, but at the
time Disney wouldn't allow it (I think because somebody was on vacation and
somebody else was scared to okay it or some sorta typical corporate weasel
reason like that). Each issue will be something different with the comics
title in small lettering sorta like "Uncle Walt's Collectory presents...".
Anyway, the first issue will contain the first story I've done for
Gladstone since 1988 (or '89?) and the issue will be "Uncle Walt's
Collectory presents UNCLE $CROOGE IN THE YUKON" and will contain my first
addendum chapter to "the Life and Times of $crooge McDuck", chapter 8B I
guess. Actually, it's a story that fits into $crooge's Yukon adventures
between the flashbacks in Barks' "Back to the Yukon" and my own "Last Sled
to Dawson". This story MIGHT be the first of 4 or 5 annual Yukon-$crooge
stories that I'm doing partly for the Dawson City - Yukon Gold Rush
centennial celebration that will be 1995-1999. These will be used as some
sorta souvenirs in Canada I guess -- I'm not sure what all Hamilton has
worked out with the Dawson City Fathers. The 1995 centennial involves the
NorthWest Mounted Police who established a Yukon fort in 1895... so I had to
involve them in the tale. What I've done is a 24-pager where Glittering
Goldie sends the Mounties after $crooge to arrest him for kidnapping her and
making her work his claim on White Agony Creek.
It's veeeerrrrryyy touchy trying to do a story with Goldie. My idea
is that Barks did the one and only story there can ever be about Goldie and
$crooge. I only used Goldie as a background observer in my chapter 8 of
"Lo$"... and the last time I used her (even then, NOT in a flashback
sequence) was in "Last Sled to Dawson" in 1987. So I knew I could do a
Goldie-$crooge story set in 1898, but ONLY if I did NOT have them interact.
So throughout my story, even though they are both the stars, they NEVER come
into contact with each other until the climax in big "Gone With the Wind"
fire scene where they confront each other across the blazing Blackjack
Ballroom, and... oh, that's enough. You can see it in June or July and see
if it's any good. Actually, I sorta like this story, and I usually dislike
my stuff. I still won't have it finished for another few weeks.
The rest of the issue will be reprints of other old Disney stories
that involve the Yukon. But no Barks/Ducks since Gladstone/Disney has
recently reprinted both of those ("Back to the Klondike" and "North of the
Yukon"... if you even count the latter, which actually takes place in Alaska).
HARRY:
I'm trying to get established on INTERNET and learn to find my way
around there. I see there's a section done in Holland concerning comics, but
there wasn't anything on it about Ducks, and in another section where I
THINK (it was in Dutch) favorite comics were being listed, I saw hardly
anything about Barks/Ducks (and no mention of "Rosa" which naturally I was
hoping to see!) Aren't the Ducks as popular in Holland as I thought?
PER:
Again, I'm just now trying to learn about INTERNET. But why don't I
see this newsgroup mentioned in any lists of comic sections or newsgroups?
Or am I just missing it? Where do people who are "surfing the Net" find out
about this group? Maybe I'll figure that out when I learn more about it.
Anyway, no need for anyone to send me mail through COMPUSERVE any
longer. I'm now donrosa at iglou.com on INTERNET. Now I won't need to PAY to
read mail or Digests... however, I now need to pay a new server so that I
don't have to pay to read INTERNET mail -- so it's all gonna work out pretty
close to the same in the end, unless I drp COMPUSERVE completely, which I
well might.
H.W. Fluks
Rosa, and Jippes
Message 74 -
1995-03-15 at 10:41:22
donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa):
Great to see you have a "real" Internet mail address now!
> My idea is that Barks did the one and only story there can ever be about
> Goldie and $crooge.
I'm glad you think of it that way and I wonder how you plan to make 4 more
stories set in the Yukon. Well, we'll see, eventually...
> I see there's a section done in Holland concerning comics, but
> there wasn't anything on it about Ducks, and in another section where I
> THINK (it was in Dutch) favorite comics were being listed
Please be more specific. What is a "section"? A newsgroup? My internet
access is limited nowadays, and the only place I know of that discusses
Dutch comics is the mailing list "strip-list at cwi.nl". I sometimes advertise
for "disney-comics at minsk" on that list, and I save my real discussions
for this list.
If there's anything more in Holland, I zertanly would like to know!
------
This week, the Dutch DD weekly contains another Jippes re-creation of
a Woodchuck story: "Bottled Battlers" (from JW 10). That's the 8th in
a row. I hope Jippes does them all (24)!
--Harry.
Great to see you have a "real" Internet mail address now!
> My idea is that Barks did the one and only story there can ever be about
> Goldie and $crooge.
I'm glad you think of it that way and I wonder how you plan to make 4 more
stories set in the Yukon. Well, we'll see, eventually...
> I see there's a section done in Holland concerning comics, but
> there wasn't anything on it about Ducks, and in another section where I
> THINK (it was in Dutch) favorite comics were being listed
Please be more specific. What is a "section"? A newsgroup? My internet
access is limited nowadays, and the only place I know of that discusses
Dutch comics is the mailing list "strip-list at cwi.nl". I sometimes advertise
for "disney-comics at minsk" on that list, and I save my real discussions
for this list.
If there's anything more in Holland, I zertanly would like to know!
------
This week, the Dutch DD weekly contains another Jippes re-creation of
a Woodchuck story: "Bottled Battlers" (from JW 10). That's the 8th in
a row. I hope Jippes does them all (24)!
--Harry.
ADEBLIEC
Disney-comics digest #611.
Message 75 -
1995-03-16 at 05:22:13
The new HERO Illustrated came out today in the comics shops near me. It is
issue #22 and features an annoying cover of The Mask. The Disney Ducks
section in the back is quite possibility the thinnest such section they've
done yet, unfortunately. The Do Rosa interview is two pages long, and most
of that is filled with his drawings. (A panel from Gaurdians of the Lost
Library, the Andold Duck cover from an issue of Donald Duck Adventures, and
some smaller reproductions of various covers...)
The GOOD news, however, is that they give a lot, relatively, of space in
Don's section about the inequities of the Disney comic section - lack of
royalties, lack of returns original art, etc. Hopefully, it will be given
a little more attention now, but who knows? There' 2/3 of a page about the
Carl Barks' paintings, and a two page+ assessment of the Duck universe,
with little descriptions of the characters. There's an intro by Diamond
Comics Distributor Steve Geppi, as well, alongside a gorgeous full-color
spread of an Uncle Scrooge painting by Barks.
And its all followed by three pages of inaccurate pricing info. Ugh.
At least there is some attention being focused on it. I think I'll write them
a letter...
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "I'm a statistic in a system that a civil
Drew University - servant dominates..."
(201) 408-8067 - -Billy Joel
issue #22 and features an annoying cover of The Mask. The Disney Ducks
section in the back is quite possibility the thinnest such section they've
done yet, unfortunately. The Do Rosa interview is two pages long, and most
of that is filled with his drawings. (A panel from Gaurdians of the Lost
Library, the Andold Duck cover from an issue of Donald Duck Adventures, and
some smaller reproductions of various covers...)
The GOOD news, however, is that they give a lot, relatively, of space in
Don's section about the inequities of the Disney comic section - lack of
royalties, lack of returns original art, etc. Hopefully, it will be given
a little more attention now, but who knows? There' 2/3 of a page about the
Carl Barks' paintings, and a two page+ assessment of the Duck universe,
with little descriptions of the characters. There's an intro by Diamond
Comics Distributor Steve Geppi, as well, alongside a gorgeous full-color
spread of an Uncle Scrooge painting by Barks.
And its all followed by three pages of inaccurate pricing info. Ugh.
At least there is some attention being focused on it. I think I'll write them
a letter...
-Augie
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. - "I'm a statistic in a system that a civil
Drew University - servant dominates..."
(201) 408-8067 - -Billy Joel