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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
The May issue of the "National Geographic" plopped into my mailbox the other
day, and following two very interesting articles on India's fiftieth
birthday and Iceland's volcanoes, there appeared an article titled "La
Salle's Last Voyage". Interesting stuff. It was all about the Frenchman's
ill-fated attempt to reach the Mississippi and establish a French colony way
back in 1684. Well, the chap overshot his mark by 400 miles west of the
Mississippi delta, and his ship, the "Belle" blown by a north wind run
aground at Matagorda Bay in the Gulf of Mexico in 1686. La Salle was
murdered by his own men one year later near the Trinity river.

Well, all this may sound interesting, but what does it have to do with our
list? Read on...

"Belle's" wreckage was found in 1995 by a scanner looking for magnetic
anomalies on the bay floor due to iron. And I quote from the National
Geographic: "To simplify excavation in the silty bay, the Texas Historical
Commission--in charge of the wreck's recovery--had a cofferdam built around
the "Belle" and had the water pumped out".!!! (Digression-description of the
cofferdam: "It consists of two concentric octagonal walls of interlocking
steel plates sunk 40 feet below the bay floor and rising about 6 feet above
sea level. Sand-and-gravel fill between the walls serves as a work platform
for the archaelogists.")

As I was reading this, I felt goose pimples all over my body. I had read
something similar in a DON ROSA story! What these guys are doing with
"Belle", Uncle Scrooge, Donald and the boys had done back in 1990 in Don's
"Treasure Under Glass". Only difference was that the cofferdam was a huge
glass dome! Almost everything else is identical, even though I should add
that the Ducks found the "Candelaria" in a much better shape that the
archaeologists found the "Belle"! (But made up for that when they LEFT the
"Candelaria" :-)). Interesting coincidence that the Spanish Main is in the
same vicinity with Matagorda Bay, only east.

Finally, someone really ought to send a copy of Rosa's "Treasure Under
Glass" to the project director of "Belle's" excavation,Jim Brush, who
exclaimed in that same article: "It is the first dry-land excavation of an
offshore wreck in this hemisphere". I mean, the Ducks were the first to do
it six years earlier (or was it 40 years earlier?:-)) only a couple thousand
miles south-east of Matagorda Bay!

Archontis
Marco Barlotti
Just a few lines to point out that "Maestri Disney" #3 on sale now is
dedicated to Luciano Bottaro. This is by far the best issue of "Maestri
Disney" IMHO (maybe because Bottaro is one of the Italian authors I love
most). There is even the first reprint in 37 years of "Paperino e
l'aspirapolvere fatato"! My only regret is that three weeks ago I just payed
more than 5 Euros for the original issue, just because I thought there were
no reprints available!!!! If only I had asked Lidia!!!
Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
Luna Storta
Hi, it's my first time on the list, hope you all can understand my
not-so-good english...
In order to answer to Eirik Krogh Visted, I'm sending the following:
The story Donald Finds pirate's Gold was drawed by Carl Barks and Jack
Hannah, Barks drawed the tables 1, 2, 5 and from 12 to 40, Hannah the
other ones.
The subject of the story was from a plot by Harry Reeves and Homer
Brightman, made for a never realized cartoon, and Robert -Bob- Karp did
the comic adaptation.

Other stories from Barks about treasures and/or islands are:
(with italian titles - P. stands for Donald Duck and ZP for uncle
Scrooge)

nr. title tables First pubbl. year
131 P. e il tesoro dei vichinghi 32 FC 256/12 1949
135 P. e l'isola misteriosa 22 BGMC 41 1949
238 ZP e il tesoro del vecchio Volpe 10 US 6/6 1954
245 P. e il tesoro delle sette città 28 US 7/9 1954
253 P. e l'isola del cavolo 28 US 8/12 1955
322 P. e il tesoro della regina 21 US 16/12 1957
332 ZP e il tesoro sottozero 26+3/4 US 17/3 1957
413 P. e la nuova isola 10 WDC 226/7 1959
463 L'isola di P. 10 WDC 235/4 1960
651 ZP e il tesoro di Marco Polo 24 US 64/7 1966

If you or anyone else need some other info, just ask me!!
Paolo Castagno
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088

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Kriton Kyrimis
EIRIK:

> is it
> likely that this is one of those comic books that will be worth obscene
> amounts of money in 40 years ?

Does this mean that 40 years from now people will call me obscene, because I
will still be reading my obscenely-expensive copies of those old comic books
while munching on milk and cookies, rather than keeping them airtightly packed
in mylar sleeves, not daring to even look at them for fear that handling them
might reduce their value?

RIK:

> I would like to subscribe to these comics again, but there appear to be so many
> of them I'm wondering if some don't overlap and print the same stories.

In general, there is very little overlap in Gladstone's comic *books*. (What
little there is, is mostly the reprinting of significant stories, several
years after their previous publication.) On the other hand, Gladstone's comic
*albums* overlap extensively with the comic books, by definition, as they
reprint every story by Barks (also Rosa and Van Horn) in sequence. It used to
be that on the same month I would get a comic book and an album with the same
story, but things have improved. Thus, I would suggest subscribing to as many
of the comic books as you can afford, and only getting the albums if you are
interested in having as many as possible of Barks' stories in a durable
format. (For what it's worth, I subscribe to both comic books and albums.)

> What is this "Penny Pincher" book? I'd hate to spend thirty or forty bucks on a
> subscription that wasn't up to par.

I've only seen the first two Penny Pinchers, and I would think that they are
terrific value for money, as they are filled from cover to cover with stories.
If you can get them at 99c per issue, go for it. If, like me, you can only
get them by subscription, those Penny Pinchers might be a bit expensive, but
they seem to be worth the expense.

> And who is this Don Rosa upstart?

I bet you are going to get a lot of mail about the above question! ;-)

> Does he produce the same quality that Uncle
> Carl did in my youth?

At worst, Don's sories are comparable to Barks' stories. At best, Don manages
to surpass the master. Of course, this is only personal opinion.

> I can remember often times back in the 50s getting a new
> duck comic and being dissappointed because it didn't look like the stories I was
> used to.

During their first run, Gladstone would always squeeze some Barks in every
duck title they published, even if it was a one-pager. The only exception to
this rule was in issues featuring a Don Rosa story. This would suggest that
readers are anything but disappointed when reading Don's stories!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"It may be irrational of me, but human beings are quite my favourite species."
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Mike Schneiderath
BIG DON ROSA FAN PAGES COLLECTION:
We are currenly builing up a collection of fan webpages,
that feature differnt aspects of Don Rosa s work. Right now there are
two people who take care of some pages (me and Alexander Gruenke).
Anyone who already has a Rosa page or would like to help in providing
usefull information is invited to participate in this project.

And of course it would be nice if someone would also take care of one
or two pages in this collection (if you need to know where you can
get free Webspace...just look on the pages: they are on
different locations ..or just mail me: (Email removed))

The newest addition to these Pages is
a Complete don Rosa Index with Start/Splash Panels
(C.R.I.S.P.)

Try this page (even if the layout still needs improvement):

The D.U.C.K.hunt coordination page at

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8024/

ERIC wrote:
> I know people are making lists of changes made over the years to Carl Barks
> stories. But what about changes to and/or different versions of Don Rosa's
> stories ? Many stories, like "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" was
> released in a significantly different version in Europe, "War of the
> Wendigo" was completely banned in the US, and many stories have been
> redrawn in places. Aren't somebody making an archive of this ?=20

One thing we already intended to do is a page about censoring and
alteration in his stories, like removed guns, Micky Mouses or voodoo
masks and maybe giving visual exapmples of the alterations.
(That does of course not mean that we will put up the whole pygmy
indian story, just because it is completely bannedin the US ;-)

So if anyone has already a collection of alterations (or even single
ones) it would be nice if he could send me a mail.

MIKE
Byron Erickson
Well, if I wasn't so far behind in reading my Digests (sorry, folks),
I'd probably want to comment on something. But since I am, I won't.

However, I *will* take this opportunity to announce something. To wit:

Starting September 1, 1997, one of the members of this mailing list will
move to eternally sunny (ha!) Denmark to start work as an Egmont Comic
Creation story editor.

And his name is David Gerstein.

-- Byron "HE thinks it's a good idea" Erickson

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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #114
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Augie De Blieck Jr.
Just flipping through my weekly comic book purchases when I noticed something,
started laughing hysterically, and quickly jumped on-line to post this:

Don Rosa has a pin-up in the new Untold Tales of Spider-Man '97. It's of Uncle
$crooge as J. Jonah Jameson, complete with Beagle Boys coming in the "money
bin." It's hilarious. And at $1.95 it's well worth it. (The headlines on the
newspapers are funny, too, although Comicraft screwed up and one headline
covers the tip of one of J Jonah Jameson's fingers. )

-Augie
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Eirik Krogh Visted
KRITON:

>Does this mean that 40 years from now people will call me obscene, because=
I
>will still be reading my obscenely-expensive copies of those old comic=
books
>while munching on milk and cookies, rather than keeping them airtightly
packed
>in mylar sleeves, not daring to even look at them for fear that handling=
them
>might reduce their value?

No, I don't think so. But whatever you do, *don't* try selling 'em :)

Eirik Krogh Visted =20
-- intellektuell r=E5ne =20

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Mn
Check out this week's "Untold Tales of Spider-Man '97 Annual"
Don's "Untold Tales You'll Never See" drawing of
the imaginary cover to "Uncle Jonah"
Gary Leach
I'm afraid we're just about cleaned out of new Rosa and Van Horn material
here in the States. WDC&S's monthly schedule has devoured what's available
- even doing three-parters! This means everyone will be enjoying some
classic Rosa and Van Horn reprints in WDC&S for a while, until Egmont
catches up with us again.

Here's the Don Rosa slate for the next several issues:

WDC&S 617 will reprint "Recalled Wreck" from WDC&S 524.
WDC&S 618 will reprint "Making the Grade" from WDC&S 547.
WDC&S 619 will reprint "Give Unto Others" from Mickey & Donald 17.
WDC&S 620 will reprint "Oolated Luck" from WDC&S 528.
WDC&S 621 will present "Eye for Detail," a new story.

Keep in mind that this schedule is subject to change, with or without
notice, depending on the vagaries of getting the books out the door.

Gary

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Gary Leach
DON:

Your further remarks on the "Space Varmints" thing were most gracious.
Thank you.

BARRY:

For whatever it's worth, you have our deepest sympathy and best wishes.
Good luck to you.

Gary

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Dave Rawson
...to Barry and David, respectively.

Barry, next time I see ya, your drink's on me pal.

Sheesh!

--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
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Augie De Blieck Jr.
I suddenly realize I didn't post this valued info here last week, so here we
go:

GLADSTONE TITLES SCHEDULED TO SHIP IN AUGUST 1997

* Donald Duck #305 - "Mockingbird Ridge" by Barks

* Uncle $crooge Adventures #52 - "The Black Diamond", "a European tale of
adventure on the high seas. . ." Cover by WVH

* Uncle $crooge Adventures in Color #27 - "The Money Champ" and "$crooge's
Handy Andy"

* Uncle $crooge Adventures in Color #28 - "The Paul Bunyan Machine" and "The
Witching Stick"

* Walt Disney's Comics and Stories Penny Pincher #7 - 2 Paul Murray Mickey
stories - "Secret of the Ancient Incas" and "Mickey's Secret Ambition"

* Wlat Disney's Comics & Stories #617 - "Tree's a Crowd" by WVH (orig. in DD
#271), "Recalled Wreck" by Don Rosa (from WDC&S #524), "Top Performance," an MM
tale by Jack Bradbury, and "The Cavern of the Shifting Sand' by Gerstein and
Noel Van Horn (YAY! -Augie)

-Augie
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Disney Adventures comics

volume 7 #10 June 30, 1997
Using Harry's codes (which I'll try and use), I'll report that this contains:

DA97-06a (hey Harry what about these 2 issues a month comics?)
JZ285 Doug
King of the Ant Hill
9pp 3-tier pages Craig Boldman, writer and artist; staring Doug
Doug should be (c) Nickleodeon (but I can't find that info)

DA97-06b JZ282 1pp 4 tier page
Timon & Pumbaa
How Enlightening
Dan Parent, writer; C.Quartieri, penciller; H.Ottolino, inker

DA97-06c JZ311 9pp 3 tier page
Bone
Part Seven
Jeff Smith, writer and artist
(c) Jeff Smith; reprtinted from the Bone comic book

DA97-06d JZ 299 1pp 3 tier page
Film Forum with Fizzle and Iceburg
Repeat Offenders
Chris Nieratko, writer; Ward Sutton, artist

So are Bone and Doug Disney comics? And if not, is Zorro?

Steven Rowe

ssue (an abbreviation, like DA96-07b: the 'b' indicates that the line
describes the 2nd entry
of DA96-07)
Story code
Pg (number of pages)
L (which stands for Layout: 'c' = cover, '3' = 3-tier pages, space = 4-tier
pages)
Plo ttr -> plotter, can also be denoted by [plot:...] behind the title
Wri ter -> writer (or [writ:...] behind the title)
Art ist -> artist (or penciler, if there is a separate inker) [art:...]
Ink er -> inker [ink:...]
He- ro -> hero
Bill Wormstedt
Attention, Rosa fans - check out 'Untold Tales of Spider-Man '97' for a
little Rosa surprise!

Don - if I didn't know better, I'd ask what you were on when you did
this!
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Bill Wormstedt
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