Hi all,
It's been pretty quiet. Are you guys on silent strike or what? ;-)
Btw just curious. You know Scrooge Mc Duck?
Well, if you don't, don't bother. Just kiddin.
i understand that the ducks' stories are currently reprinted over and over
again in various countries spread across this blue globe. Now, i understand
that in my country that Scrooge name has been translated which meant Scrooge
Duck.
No "Mc" in the name whatsoever. Okay, everybody knows that things like this
happen in several countries. This Mc-less name has brought troubles to the
stories which are Mc-heavy, eg Lo$. Therefore the translations have been
changed to somewhat irrational lines. This has caused the differentation
family line between Donald Duck and Scrooge Duck a bit blur. that's why my
country's versions of Lo$ parts a bit confusing, like how can you explain
The last of Clan Duck while there're DD and HDL Duck???
Anyway, i would like to know how other countries with similar translations
get away with this problem. Do they -for the purpose of the story- make an
exception and include the Mc in Scrooge name? Or perhaps some other more
logical way to make the story more acceptable?
Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal
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Topic: 200004
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Arie Fachrisal
What's in a name?
Message 121 -
2000-04-25 at 17:57:16
Schulte, Lee R.
Gladstone and the Death of Disney Comics
Message 122 -
2000-04-25 at 19:35:31
To answer the question about the death of Gladstone, it seemed to have been
caused by the Disney company itself. They put so many obstacles in front
of the publisher, Mr. Bruce Hamilton, (they micro-managed stories, for
example, and refused to let the comics be sold in their own stores (?!))
that he decided it was not worth it anymore. Supposedly a company called
Diamond Comics (not Gemstone) was going to pick up the license: but I have
heard that Disney is not really interested in selling such a license. For
them there is not enough profit: Gladstone was "only" selling c. 25,000
copies per issue at the end. You can debate whether or not that was due to
the $6.95 price.
caused by the Disney company itself. They put so many obstacles in front
of the publisher, Mr. Bruce Hamilton, (they micro-managed stories, for
example, and refused to let the comics be sold in their own stores (?!))
that he decided it was not worth it anymore. Supposedly a company called
Diamond Comics (not Gemstone) was going to pick up the license: but I have
heard that Disney is not really interested in selling such a license. For
them there is not enough profit: Gladstone was "only" selling c. 25,000
copies per issue at the end. You can debate whether or not that was due to
the $6.95 price.
Fluks, H.W.
What's in a name?
Message 123 -
2000-04-25 at 20:05:22
Arie:
> It's been pretty quiet. Are you guys on silent strike or what? ;-)
We call that Easter holiday. 8-)
> how can you explain
> The last of Clan Duck while there're DD and HDL Duck???
In Holland (the Netherlands, actually), Scrooge is also called "Duck". But
the Life-of-Scrooge chapters call him (and his family) McDuck. And the Dutch
translation of "The Old Castle's Secret" also names Scrooge's ancestors as
McDucks.
It's not explicitly stated, but my explanation is that Scrooge dropped the
"Mc" when he went to America (i.e. Duckburg). Emigrants often change their
name in the new country. For practical reasons, or just because a civil
servant doesn't know enough. I remember the TV series "The Mannions of
America" where the Irish family O'Mannion dropped the O' after arriving in
the USA. Other examples may be "Cronkite" (Krankheidt) and "Van Dyke" (Van
Dijk), which are Americanised Dutch names.
--Harry.
(Always fascinated by names and their backgrounds)
> It's been pretty quiet. Are you guys on silent strike or what? ;-)
We call that Easter holiday. 8-)
> how can you explain
> The last of Clan Duck while there're DD and HDL Duck???
In Holland (the Netherlands, actually), Scrooge is also called "Duck". But
the Life-of-Scrooge chapters call him (and his family) McDuck. And the Dutch
translation of "The Old Castle's Secret" also names Scrooge's ancestors as
McDucks.
It's not explicitly stated, but my explanation is that Scrooge dropped the
"Mc" when he went to America (i.e. Duckburg). Emigrants often change their
name in the new country. For practical reasons, or just because a civil
servant doesn't know enough. I remember the TV series "The Mannions of
America" where the Irish family O'Mannion dropped the O' after arriving in
the USA. Other examples may be "Cronkite" (Krankheidt) and "Van Dyke" (Van
Dijk), which are Americanised Dutch names.
--Harry.
(Always fascinated by names and their backgrounds)
Fluks, H.W.
Question
Message 124 -
2000-04-25 at 20:08:45
Gary:
> Can anyone please tell which 'recent' DCML contained the
> piece by Don about the publisher who took reader survey
> after survey, and adjusted their stories until they went out
> of business?
It's Digest #80 from Feb. 12. I'll send you a copy of Don's message about
"One day in the editorial offices of PINKY PIG COMICS".
--Harry.
> Can anyone please tell which 'recent' DCML contained the
> piece by Don about the publisher who took reader survey
> after survey, and adjusted their stories until they went out
> of business?
It's Digest #80 from Feb. 12. I'll send you a copy of Don's message about
"One day in the editorial offices of PINKY PIG COMICS".
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Picking at details
Message 125 -
2000-04-25 at 20:27:28
Juliet:
> Is there a FAQ for this list? I should probably
> read it.
There isn't. We could need a volunteer to make one.
But we do have some websites, where lots of the questions you may have, have
been answered. For instance the "DCML" website (follow the links from the
URL mentioned in every e-mail or digest).
Now here are some short answers:
> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
Yes. In 1949.
> and if so, was he working for Disney or
> another company?
For Western, who produced comics under a Disney licence. So Scrooge is a
Disney character.
> I'm always surprised when I see
> Scrooge in Disney things for some reason.
Disney doesn't really know who Scrooge is. Lots of Disney employees think
he's a "Christmas character", or "a one-short character from a Christmas
short", or (at best) "the DuckTales character". Very few Disney people
actually read Disney comics.
> I guess I get a little irritated at Disney when
> they (in MY eyes) misuse Scrooge.
You're not the only one...
> Also, I never really liked the Ducktales cartoons
> (do they have those in other countries?)
Yes, DuckTales was broadcast on TV in my country (and several other European
countries).
The major achievement of the DuckTales TV series is that people who didn't
know Scrooge, learned about him, and started reading the *good* comic
stories (starring the "real" Scrooge).
And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one keeps
in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the Scrooge-in-the-comics
world.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, the Netherlands
@home: h.w.fluks at wxs.nl
@work: h.w.fluks at kpn.com
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"
> Is there a FAQ for this list? I should probably
> read it.
There isn't. We could need a volunteer to make one.
But we do have some websites, where lots of the questions you may have, have
been answered. For instance the "DCML" website (follow the links from the
URL mentioned in every e-mail or digest).
Now here are some short answers:
> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
Yes. In 1949.
> and if so, was he working for Disney or
> another company?
For Western, who produced comics under a Disney licence. So Scrooge is a
Disney character.
> I'm always surprised when I see
> Scrooge in Disney things for some reason.
Disney doesn't really know who Scrooge is. Lots of Disney employees think
he's a "Christmas character", or "a one-short character from a Christmas
short", or (at best) "the DuckTales character". Very few Disney people
actually read Disney comics.
> I guess I get a little irritated at Disney when
> they (in MY eyes) misuse Scrooge.
You're not the only one...
> Also, I never really liked the Ducktales cartoons
> (do they have those in other countries?)
Yes, DuckTales was broadcast on TV in my country (and several other European
countries).
The major achievement of the DuckTales TV series is that people who didn't
know Scrooge, learned about him, and started reading the *good* comic
stories (starring the "real" Scrooge).
And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one keeps
in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the Scrooge-in-the-comics
world.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, the Netherlands
@home: h.w.fluks at wxs.nl
@work: h.w.fluks at kpn.com
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"
Stefan Persson
What's in a name?
Message 126 -
2000-04-25 at 21:05:54
>From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: What's in a name?
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:57:16 +0700
>Anyway, i would like to know how other countries with similar translations
>get away with this problem. Do they -for the purpose of the story- make an
>exception and include the Mc in Scrooge name? Or perhaps some other more
>logical way to make the story more acceptable?
In Sweden they're called "von Anka" and "Anka". ("Anka" is the Swedish word
for "duck".) In Lo$ there was no change of the names. In some other story
published one and a half decade ago, there was also a similar problem. The
solution was then that "Joakim von Anka was of the clan McAnka". The
solution might not be very good, but in this case any solution had to be
used.
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>Subject: What's in a name?
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:57:16 +0700
>Anyway, i would like to know how other countries with similar translations
>get away with this problem. Do they -for the purpose of the story- make an
>exception and include the Mc in Scrooge name? Or perhaps some other more
>logical way to make the story more acceptable?
In Sweden they're called "von Anka" and "Anka". ("Anka" is the Swedish word
for "duck".) In Lo$ there was no change of the names. In some other story
published one and a half decade ago, there was also a similar problem. The
solution was then that "Joakim von Anka was of the clan McAnka". The
solution might not be very good, but in this case any solution had to be
used.
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What's in a name?
Message 127 -
2000-04-25 at 21:11:12
>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: What's in a name?
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:05:22 +0100
>Other examples may be [...] "Van Dyke" (Van Dijk), which are Americanised
>Dutch names.
No ??
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>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:05:22 +0100
>Other examples may be [...] "Van Dyke" (Van Dijk), which are Americanised
>Dutch names.
No ??
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Picking at details
Message 128 -
2000-04-25 at 21:14:06
>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: "'Juliet Violette'" <julietv at email.com>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Picking at details
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:27:28 +0100
>And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one
>keeps in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the
>Scrooge-in-the-comics world.
Also, many of them are based on Barks's comics.
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>Subject: RE: Picking at details
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:27:28 +0100
>And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one
>keeps in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the
>Scrooge-in-the-comics world.
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Fernando Ventura
Fethry Duck on Barks/Rosa universe?
Message 129 -
2000-04-25 at 23:25:40
The brazilian histories off Fethry that Arthur is putting on the Web make me
remenber that Fethry is not included on Rosa's Duck universe, appearing on
the Family Tree because off his editor wanted it. But I didn't now exactly
why. What is the reason? Because he is not created by Barks, or because he
can't be included on the "official" Duck history, so he is not a credible
character? I'm sorring iff I'm asking something stupid, but I only read Lo$
in English, and not all parts, only the 9 first parts, and this incredible
history is not published in Brazil yet.
Thanks!
Fernando Ventura!
"That finally has one Disney historie published! Thanks to Good!"
remenber that Fethry is not included on Rosa's Duck universe, appearing on
the Family Tree because off his editor wanted it. But I didn't now exactly
why. What is the reason? Because he is not created by Barks, or because he
can't be included on the "official" Duck history, so he is not a credible
character? I'm sorring iff I'm asking something stupid, but I only read Lo$
in English, and not all parts, only the 9 first parts, and this incredible
history is not published in Brazil yet.
Thanks!
Fernando Ventura!
"That finally has one Disney historie published! Thanks to Good!"
Oyvind J. Karstad
Scrooge
Message 130 -
2000-04-26 at 19:44:34
>> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
>Yes. In 1949.
Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Oyvind J. Karstad
>Yes. In 1949.
Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Oyvind J. Karstad
Oyvind J. Karstad
Picsou #333
Message 131 -
2000-04-26 at 19:44:47
I'm trying to get hold of the Picsou Magazine #333 with Don Rosa's "The Coin".
Can anybody get it for me? I can exchange it for Norwegian comics.
Please contact me if you can help: oyvind at karstad.no
Oyvind J. Karstad
Can anybody get it for me? I can exchange it for Norwegian comics.
Please contact me if you can help: oyvind at karstad.no
Oyvind J. Karstad
Fluks, H.W.
Scrooge
Message 132 -
2000-04-27 at 15:20:30
> >> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
> >Yes. In 1949.
> Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Oops. You're right. Barks delivered the story (Christmas on Bear Mountain)
on July 22, 1947.
--Harry.
> >Yes. In 1949.
> Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Oops. You're right. Barks delivered the story (Christmas on Bear Mountain)
on July 22, 1947.
--Harry.
Stefan Persson
Scrooge
Message 133 -
2000-04-27 at 15:39:53
>From: "Oyvind J. Karstad" <oyvind at karstad.no>
>To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Scrooge
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:34 +0200
>
> >> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
> >Yes. In 1949.
>
>Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Yep.
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>Subject: Scrooge
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:34 +0200
>
> >> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
> >Yes. In 1949.
>
>Wasn't it in summer 1947?
Yep.
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Arie Fachrisal
Carl Barks stamps
Message 134 -
2000-04-27 at 19:59:14
> From: "Michael Rhode" <mrhode at hotmail.com>
> I don't remember us talking about this at the time, but on October 15,
1998,
> Guyana published Christmas on Bear Mountain as a set of sheets of stamps.
> An article on it, with pictures is at:
>
> http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19981116/news3.asp
Hi,
is it still available for sale somewhere else? And at what price?
Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal
> I don't remember us talking about this at the time, but on October 15,
1998,
> Guyana published Christmas on Bear Mountain as a set of sheets of stamps.
> An article on it, with pictures is at:
>
> http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19981116/news3.asp
Hi,
is it still available for sale somewhere else? And at what price?
Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal
Juliet Violette
Please help/ Duck family question
Message 135 -
2000-04-27 at 22:56:34
I have been asked a question about Duck comics
that I really don't have a good answer to. Can
anyone help?
Question:
I know the Duck family is pretty old and there are
hundreds and hundreds
of story written on them from before. I was
interested in getting a comic
about Donald's family (his parents, siblings,
etc.) or the story of Scrooge
and his life. I know they are available in out of
print comics, but they are
hard to get. Is there a book written about the
Duck family and its
geneology thats easy to access?
----------------
I'd like to give this (anonymous) person the best
possible answer... I can advise him on the Rosa
comics about Scrooge's life.
(I hope he's not on this list -- how embarassing.)
Thanks!
Juliet
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that I really don't have a good answer to. Can
anyone help?
Question:
I know the Duck family is pretty old and there are
hundreds and hundreds
of story written on them from before. I was
interested in getting a comic
about Donald's family (his parents, siblings,
etc.) or the story of Scrooge
and his life. I know they are available in out of
print comics, but they are
hard to get. Is there a book written about the
Duck family and its
geneology thats easy to access?
----------------
I'd like to give this (anonymous) person the best
possible answer... I can advise him on the Rosa
comics about Scrooge's life.
(I hope he's not on this list -- how embarassing.)
Thanks!
Juliet
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