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Falkenberg
Hi folks,

If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.

This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
adress of the homepage: www.donald.org

It?s nice to see all the covers from WDC&S and all other like
mickey mouse, four color, US and so on...

with greetings

Helmut
Tom Wik
>Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:39:52 -0700
>From: Norbert Stippler <Norbert.Stippler at rhein-main.net>
>Subject: Question Concerning a Don-Rosa-Story

>---snip---
>But on page 12 Donald asks if the camera is ready, and the nephew
>answers: "Ich hab eben einen neuen Film eingelegt", in english: "I just
>put in a new film." So, if the film is changed in the middle of the
>story, the photograph from page one can't be in the camera at the end of
>the story.

>Norbert

I don't have access to the original english script, but I have the swedish
version of the comic. In the place that you refer to, one the nephew
says:"Klar! Vattentaet och laddad med film!", which means "Ready! Watertight
and loaded with (a) film".
My first reaction to this is that the camera is loaded from before, i.e
there is no new film in the camera. The situation can of course be
interpreted in the way you suggested, and I guess the German translators
understood it that way. The true intention anyway is that there is no new
film, otherwise the fun would be spoiled ;) (any comments from anyone with
the english comic?)

Greets:
Tom Wik
Georgios Balanikas
KRITON
>It seems that either few people fell for my April Fools' gag, or few people
>bother reading my presentation of each month's Komix issue.

It was an impressive joke! But I could not speak, to prevent anyone of
thinking that I knew the real contents.

Georgios
Arthur Faria Jr.
FRANCOIS:

>The only one where I had previously seen Fethry actually drawing a comic
>story for Scrooge is B 780300 (Assombracao Do Porao Do Barao) also
>reprinted in Italy

There are two stories using that ghost character, B 74008 and B 780300
but they were about a terror *novel* that Fethry was writing, not
a comic story. Thus FE wasn't actually drawing the scenes --
he was just imagining them as he wrote.

>Regarding the brazilian series where the action is set in a world
>beneath the sea (whith Fethry as the king): I have always been a bit
>disturbed by the fact that many of the background characters were fishes

His early stories show those characters as "underwater ducks".
Late ones show them as sharks, octopuses, whales, etc. I'll put
"Fethry the Submariner" first story on the Web soon.

>Are these
>a comic-book creation of Fethry as well? And beside the cow-boy and sea
>series, are there any other series drawn by Fethry?

No. Only "Fethry Kid" and "Jungle Fethry" are. There are
other spin-offs, like a "Caveman Fethry" and the Submariner, but they
aren't FE's comic creations.

>I also remember several sepcial brazilian stories which may be part of
>series, but I'm not sure. One where Ludwig Von Drake tells the history
>of Duckburg, the history of computers and another one with Daisy and Cie
>defending themselves against several mythological monsters.

- "A historia de Patopolis" (Duckburg's History): 5-chapter series
first printed in 1982 and reprinted in 1986 with 2 new chapters added
(in order to use the then "new" Daisy and Boinifacio, the unlucky CL's
cousin)
- I can't recall neither that computer's history story (or series) nor
Daisy against mythological monsters... Could you give me more details?

-- Arthur.
Marco Barlotti
The new-improved version of the Italian story index for "Topolino"
(covering all issues up to 2313, i. e. up to last week) is on line at

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

and hopefully soon will be integrated into Inducks (Harry: you know where
the TL.INS.ZIP file is...)

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Eta Beta
Hello, everyone -

HELMUT wrote:

>If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
>at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
>
>This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
>adress of the homepage: www.donald.org

While thanking Helmut for the appreciation of my little image
collecting job, which has just been updated, BTW (I meant to
"clean up" a coupla things before announcing it "officially"),
I feel compelled to make a little precisation.

The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site (nothing
wrong if they were, of course) but, although not yet "phisically",
they "belong" to my own "Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket" project, and
are also part of a wider covers collecting project: check out the
... er... cover page :-) at

http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/covers.html

and you'll find links to Italian (under construction), Danish,
Dutch and Australian covers as well.

Folks partecipating to this project are all friends and DCML list
members, Ole R. Nielsen, Roy Koojman and Australian mates Tony
and Dave, not to mention lots of contributors, and we're currently
looking for volunteers to create/maintain more "local" cover pages
to be linked to ours.

You're all invited to join the gang :-)

Oh, BTW, there's a little "hidden back door" in the U.S.A. section
of the covers site, leading to an "off-topic" environment... :-)
If you're interested in discovering what's that about, ask little
Mickey for help... tickle him... :-)

To end with, I haven't been neglecting my other pages, I'm working
hard to update those as well, especially the Scarpa page, and hope
they'll be ready pretty soon... I'd lke to put them all together
in some new, BIG and ads-free web-space, but I'm still looking
around for that.

Current pages haven't been updated in ages, but here's addresses
anyway:

http://members.xoom.com/eega/scarpa/balaboo.html
http://members.xoom.com/eega/magic/pocket.html

Cheers

Eta Beta
Fluks, H.W.
> >If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
> >at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
> >This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
> >adress of the homepage: http://www.donald.org

Author Eta Beta replied:

> The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site

But it's annoying that D.O.N.A.L.D. suggests that they are. They even claim
the copyright for your (and many other people's) pages! And the real URLs of
the links are hidden (in my browser) by some banner about "das schwarze
Brett".

> some new, BIG and ads-free web-space, but I'm still looking
> around for that.

Maybe the D.O.N.A.L.D. society can offer you the web space? Then at least
part of the phrase "part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D." would
become true...

--Harry.
(Not a member of D.O.N.A.L.D.)
John Garvin
-stephan wrote:
What he was trying to do was to add
some extra detail and flourish to his text, or to make it flow more easily
and naturally - which, as I have stated here many times before, I believe
is his job rather than to translate every line literally. When I translate
Disney comics, I usually ask myself (more or less subconsciously, nowadays)
questions like these: "What would the character say in this situation?" or
"What needs to be explained for the story to work?". More often than not,
the answer is just about the same that's already in the balloon, because
the writer (and his editor) posed the same questions while working. But it
sure happens even at my stage that I want to add something extra, or
rewrite some passage in order to make it clearer, funnier or whatever. It
may not be my official job description, but if need be, I want to be
something of a "dialog editor" just as much as a translator.

As an artist and writer, Stephan, I take great exception to this. It sounds to
me that you are in the wrong line of work. You don't want to be a translator,
you want to be a writer. It is one thing to reword a bit of "untranslatable"
slang or phrasing, it is quite another to examine the words in front of you and
arbitrarily decide that they are not clear enough, or funny enough. For you to
decide that the original writer and editor did not "pose" the correct questions
to themselves, and to then CHANGE their work to suit YOUR fancy, well that is
really quite incredible. Do the original creators a favor: "add something
extra" to your own work, and leave their's as written and intended. If I want
to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read their works, not
the modified works of Stephan Dios.
Juliet Violette
I'm one of those people who have a massive box of
Scrooge comics that I read over and over and just
haven't bought any new ones lately. (Sorry, Mr.
Rosa!) I really need to get back in the game
because I'm sure there are a lot of great new
stories out there.

Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US?
Is it still Gladstone?

Thanks a lot!

Juliet

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Pedro Cravo
>The only one where I had previously seen Fethry actually drawing a
>comic story for Scrooge is B 780300 (Assombracao Do Porao Do Barao)
>also reprinted in Italy
>
> There are two stories using that ghost character, B 74008 and B
> 780300 but they were about a terror *novel* that Fethry was writing,
> not a comic story. Thus FE wasn't actually drawing the scenes --
> he was just imagining them as he wrote.

There is a Pena Kid (Fethry Kid) story where Fethry is drawing the story and Scrooge doesn't like it so it's constantly making him change the outcome. I don't remember it's title.

>I also remember several sepcial brazilian stories which may be part
>of series, but I'm not sure. One where Ludwig Von Drake tells the
>history of Duckburg, the history of computers and another one with
>Daisy and Cie defending themselves against several mythological
>monsters.
>
> - "A historia de Patopolis" (Duckburg's History): 5-chapter series
> first printed in 1982 and reprinted in 1986 with 2 new chapters
> added (in order to use the then "new" Daisy and Boinifacio, the
> unlucky CL's cousin) - I can't recall neither that computer's
> history story (or series) nor Daisy against mythological
> monsters... Could you give me more details?

I have four comics that make a special collection dedicated to computers. The History of Computers appears in the first one and the others have stories about computers, video games and robots. If I'm not mistaken, there are three or four chapters of the History of Computers (but there may be more) and it dates back to the middle 80. It was edited by Editora Abril, from Brazil, and distributed here in Portugal, as most of the Disney comics those days.

Pedro Cravo
Arie Fachrisal
> From: Juliet Violette <julietv at email.com>
> I'm one of those people who have a massive box of
> Scrooge comics that I read over and over and just
> haven't bought any new ones lately. (Sorry, Mr.
> Rosa!) I really need to get back in the game
> because I'm sure there are a lot of great new
> stories out there.
>
> Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US?
> Is it still Gladstone?
None as far as i know. Perhaps it's time for you to get a foreign language
course :-D

Best,
Arie Fachrisal
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 4/5/00 6:01:08 AM Eastern Daylight , Juliet writes:

> Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US?

: ( nobody;

apparently the Disney corporation wants more money that a company can make
publishing comics...

Steven Rowe
Stefan Diƶs
John Garvin:

>
> <<<<<<As an artist and writer, Stephan, I take great exception to this. It
> sounds to
> me that you are in the wrong line of work. You don't want to be a
translator,
>
> you want to be a writer.

You are right, John, that I would prefer not to call myself a "translator".
That's what it says in the comics, but I'd much rather say I "write the
Swedish
dialog". Sometimes I still use words like "translating" because it may be more
convenient than some awkward phrase like "dialog-writing". Perhaps this use
may
look a little careless, given my basic attitude towards my work.

I also agree with everything you say about translating in general. If I'm
translating a book (non-Disney) or something like that, which has happened on
rare occasions even though I clearly specialize in Disney comics, I approach
the task much differently. Yes, comics should certainly be treated with the
same respect, but trying to maintain something of the traditional Swedish
atmosphere about the way the Ducks talk is just as important to me, if not
more, as preserving the exact wordings of a writer. The magazine needs some
consistency within itself and within the frame of history, even though many
different talents are contributing.

<<<<If I want
>
> to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read their works,
> not
> the modified works of Stephan Dios.

Now you mention the greatest masters. It would be very rare that I'd take upon
myself to correct or improve upon such elite authors... although I'll readily
admit that I would try it whenever I saw necessary. Even for other writers, I
really don't change as much as it may sound from some of my overly pompous
"mission statements". Ten or fifteen years ago I'd change a lot more than I do
now. (And then the Swedish editors would make further changes behind me. Those
poor writers of the 80's!)

As for my wanting to be a writer... yes, I like to write, but no, I never felt
an urge to produce any comic stories of my own... at least not since I
found my
place "translating". I'm sure I couldn't write stories well enough to
please my
own taste (nor any readers'), so I'd rather stick with something I feel
comfortable doing. Writing Duck dialog, and maybe an occasional article about
the comics, is what I do best... in fact, it's the only thing I can manage in
this field at all, and I don't think I'll ever aspire to do something else.
Obviously, lots of people will think I can't even do that well enough...
but as
long as my editors are happy, and I keep feeling comfortable myself, I'd like
to try to continue just a little while more. Of course, as soon as a true
talent shows up for my position, I'll gladly step aside to ensure that the job
gets done as well as possible.

Meanwhile, John, I sincerely hope that whenever I come across some of your
writing, I can render it in a way that will please both yourself and the
Swedish audience.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Klaus Harms
> Betreff: RE: Eta Beta's Covers Extravaganza

> > >[SNIP!] http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
> > >This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
> > >adress of the homepage: http://www.donald.org
>
> Author Eta Beta replied:
>
> > The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site
>
> But it's annoying that D.O.N.A.L.D. suggests that they are. They even claim
> the copyright for your (and many other people's) pages! And the real URLs of
> the links are hidden (in my browser) by some banner about "das schwarze
> Brett".

I took the liberty to inform the Brettmeister (i.e.: admin) about the
problem (internal and external links getting mixed up in inadmissable
form) and expect it to be solved very soon.

Klaus, member (and ex-Pr?sidente) of D.O.N.A.L.D.
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Hi
Let me first say that I noticed Kriton's april gag very much. As usual
I'm naive and I wrote at once to him and asked, what he wants in
return... fooled!
Don is the basis of two gags this april then. A fun person on the
norwegian newsgroup with the subject comics fooled everyone.

But anyway, isn't it wish-thinking more than fooling? wouldn't it be
great with a story done especially for Komix? BTW Kriton you goofed on
the K-code, that's reserved for Disney Studios in the 90'es, for some
reason...

I understand John garvin saying as he does, also because he's a writer
and artist himself. But don't be too hard on Stefan Di?s (It's at least
usual to spell the name right:-) He's a talented translator, and it
seems to necessary at some times to correct mistakes.

Denmark is also giftet with a good translator I think. Mr.
Soendergaard. is his name and he's been there since 1992 -His first job
might have been the Lo$ starting chapters, on Rosaic terms I mean.
The combination of Rosa's talent of drawing and telling combined with
the translators weel translated wordpuns is great. He even made a
better joke than Don in the 10th chapter of Lo$. In the american
version Mathilda says that the Canoe-dragging story was more likely
(Scrooge and Teodore Roosevelt have been talking about what happened
since chapter 4). The danish one mentions the soft gold, and Mathilda
says a very catchy thing, maybe to modern. "Then we believe that one!
And the one about the soft gold." (Scrooge just told that he will fill
the bin to the top 100 feet.

With the Kalevala there was some mistakes, but they aren't his fault,
but some other leak on the line, I am told.

AC
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