Does anybody know where to find a scan of Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro's
version of Donna? (As seen in the 1951 Donald Duck strip.)
Lars
Author
Topic: 200407
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Lars Jensen
Karp and Taliaferro's Donna
Message 106 -
2004-07-23 at 13:01:39
Chris Hilbig
Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message 107 -
2004-07-23 at 15:27:07
Steven sez:
the fact that while attractive looking, his strip just wasnt (to me)
very
funny or very interesting (even the censored ones) may have something
to do with
his strips lack of success in the newspaper marketplace. Of course i am
several decades older than the target audience for this strip ....so it
wasnt meant
to appeal to me....
comic strips are a tough sell in today's market - a recent newspaper
chain
in the USA (knight-rider?) has stated they plan to drop 1/3 of their
comics
unless they get a 1/3 price cut....! Newspaper editors are a notorious
nervous
lot, and what is good for movies or tv, isnt quite right for papers....
Now me:
I digress. Comic strips are a cutthroat market. And the info you posted
makes it all the more blatant. Creating a strip for a niche within such
a tight market is quite difficult. But it doesn't help when newspaper
editors think of comics as over glorified filler to print. Maybe with a
different mind set, it might be possible to take advantage of what they
have. Maybe do a promo of some sort to promote newspapers as a family
thing. I'm afraid outside of that, I don't really have a dynamic
solution to this problem. Most likely comic strips will become a relic
of the past in newspapers. It's a shame, because newspaper comics have
had such a rich and colorful history. If you can't take my word for it,
just check out the book "Smithsonian Collection of Newspaper Comics" by
Bill Blackbeard.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0874741726/
qid=1090583457/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-3705020-6216930?v=glance&s=books>
It's quite astounding what was.
Oh well... As far as the Donald Duck strip's concerned, I'm not sure if
it's even being produced today. I visited King Features Syndicate's
site (Disney's Syndicator for the past 50, 60 years), and it's not
listed. I do remember one of the self proclaim Donaldists on this list
posted a link to a site that links to a Danish or Norwegian DD strip.
Wish I had it bookmarked. But that was being distributed by a local
distributer, not King Features and I have no clue if they're reprints
or not. Doesn't bring a lot of hope. :P I assume when King Features'
contract with Disney expired, the DD and MM strips went along with it.
Chris
the fact that while attractive looking, his strip just wasnt (to me)
very
funny or very interesting (even the censored ones) may have something
to do with
his strips lack of success in the newspaper marketplace. Of course i am
several decades older than the target audience for this strip ....so it
wasnt meant
to appeal to me....
comic strips are a tough sell in today's market - a recent newspaper
chain
in the USA (knight-rider?) has stated they plan to drop 1/3 of their
comics
unless they get a 1/3 price cut....! Newspaper editors are a notorious
nervous
lot, and what is good for movies or tv, isnt quite right for papers....
Now me:
I digress. Comic strips are a cutthroat market. And the info you posted
makes it all the more blatant. Creating a strip for a niche within such
a tight market is quite difficult. But it doesn't help when newspaper
editors think of comics as over glorified filler to print. Maybe with a
different mind set, it might be possible to take advantage of what they
have. Maybe do a promo of some sort to promote newspapers as a family
thing. I'm afraid outside of that, I don't really have a dynamic
solution to this problem. Most likely comic strips will become a relic
of the past in newspapers. It's a shame, because newspaper comics have
had such a rich and colorful history. If you can't take my word for it,
just check out the book "Smithsonian Collection of Newspaper Comics" by
Bill Blackbeard.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0874741726/
qid=1090583457/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-3705020-6216930?v=glance&s=books>
It's quite astounding what was.
Oh well... As far as the Donald Duck strip's concerned, I'm not sure if
it's even being produced today. I visited King Features Syndicate's
site (Disney's Syndicator for the past 50, 60 years), and it's not
listed. I do remember one of the self proclaim Donaldists on this list
posted a link to a site that links to a Danish or Norwegian DD strip.
Wish I had it bookmarked. But that was being distributed by a local
distributer, not King Features and I have no clue if they're reprints
or not. Doesn't bring a lot of hope. :P I assume when King Features'
contract with Disney expired, the DD and MM strips went along with it.
Chris
UNDBKB
Rosa in San Diego
Message 108 -
2004-07-23 at 17:11:40
Just a short note updating you about Don Rosa in San Diego.
Don met with 2 Digest Friends from Finland on Wednesday,
Riku Perala and Jukka Heiskanen. We had a very nice visit and evening meal.
Plenty of Walking and plenty of comics and "Pop" culture to see.
Gemstone will have Don signing at their Booth Friday and Saturday.
Disney also has a booth here. I will try to take some pictures and post next
week.
I said, short, so that's all.
Barry
Don met with 2 Digest Friends from Finland on Wednesday,
Riku Perala and Jukka Heiskanen. We had a very nice visit and evening meal.
Plenty of Walking and plenty of comics and "Pop" culture to see.
Gemstone will have Don signing at their Booth Friday and Saturday.
Disney also has a booth here. I will try to take some pictures and post next
week.
I said, short, so that's all.
Barry
Katie Sullivan
Fanfiction
Message 109 -
2004-07-23 at 20:55:06
> From: "Mickey" <mickey at iol.it>
> Subject: Fan fiction
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:49:39 +0200
> Maybe it's already been posted, but I've read this fan fiction
>
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/yukonfic/fic-main.htm
> dedicated to the love story between Scrooge and Goldie. I
> think it's very
> good. Do you agree?
> It's the only real "Ducks" fan fiction I've found on the web
> :-/
*blush* Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it! I waited
over a year after writing the darn thing to post it on the Net
because I was too shy. LOL!
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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> Subject: Fan fiction
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:49:39 +0200
> Maybe it's already been posted, but I've read this fan fiction
>
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/yukonfic/fic-main.htm
> dedicated to the love story between Scrooge and Goldie. I
> think it's very
> good. Do you agree?
> It's the only real "Ducks" fan fiction I've found on the web
> :-/
*blush* Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it! I waited
over a year after writing the darn thing to post it on the Net
because I was too shy. LOL!
Katie Sullivan
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Reprints in October Gemstone comics
Message 110 -
2004-07-23 at 22:12:23
Well, I am less than pleased to see so many reprints in the
October Gemstone issues. :( I was wondering if Gary could tell us if
this is an exception, or if this is now going to be par for the
course? I afraid due to comments such as, "In response to numerous
requests that Donald Duck and Friends contain more vintage material"
and a similar one for Mickey Mouse and Friends, that we will be seeing
a lot more reprints than we did see in the first 16 months or so of
Gemstone titles. At least the reprint stories in these issues of MM&F
and DD&F are stories that have not been reprinted to death...
As far as Rosa's "Son of the Sun" being reprinted in US#335 and
the requests for it, I am as baffled as Derek Smith is. Why reprint
this when is was just printed in 1987 and then re-reprinted *4* times
later in various albums?!? I realize that there are many fans of
Rosa's work. I am a huge fan of his work myself. And it would be
great if *every* issue of US had a new Rosa story. However since Don
only creates 2 or 3 stories a year, there can only be 2 or 3 issues a
year of new Rosa stories. Do people really want to read reprints of
Rosa stories in US each month instead of new European stories that
have never been printed in the USA? I am afraid that Gemstone will
start reprinting *all* of Don's stories rather frequently in upcoming
issues! :( Are there really a lot of people who want to see say "Cash
Flow" reprinted in the December US and then say "Last Sled to Dawson"
in the February 2005 issue? I don't think so, but I would love to
hear from members on the list who agree or disagree with me on that.
It seems to me that readers of almost no other comics series than
Disney comics readers have to put up with the re-re-reprints like
Disney comic readers do. I realize that there are HUGE differences
between Disney comics and superhero comics from DC and Marvel. Still
though, imagine if issues of Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc. had on
a regular basis reprints of stories from the past. I think very few
fans of these comics would buy these issues that had all of these
reprints. If they don't have to settle for old stories, why should
Disney comic readers? Plus it is all the worse with Disney comics in
that there are literally *thousands* of European stories that have
never been printed in North America before! Gemstone could publish
all their titles for *years* without once using a reprint if they
wanted to.
I think the saddest thing is that this does not have to be a
problem. There are at least two ways to make fans of new and old
stories both happy. One if for Gemstone to start publishing TPBs of
classic Disney stories. I am so emphatic about that that I would have
written the whole last sentence in capital letters except that it
would be very annoying to read! :) I was surprised that Gemstone did
not very early on start publishing such TPBs. Then I thought they
might start early in 2004. It seems that in at least one letter
column a month that Gemstone mentions publishing them someday. Well,
I have been reading that month after month for so long that I am
starting to think of Gemstone in this regard as "The Boy Who Cried
Wolf"! Maybe someday we will see such TPBs, but I am not exactly
holding my breath...
The other option would be a "Walt Disney Classics" monthly title.
Imagine if in October Gemstone had a "Disney Classics" 64 page
prestige format issue like US and WDC&S. They could have reprinted
"Son of the Sun", "Westward Whoa", and "Snow Day" in this *one* issue!
Then the other titles could have new European stories in them. In
this case, wouldn't fans of old and new stories both be satisfied?
I can understand why many European members on the list don't have
this as a big issue one way or another. However, for North America
and the English reading population, Gemstone is our only outlet for
these stories. It is not like if they publish a lot of reprints that
we have the option of getting new Disney stories from someplace else.
So I would really appreciate if members on the list gave their
thoughts on this reprints issue pro or con. It wouldn't have to be a
long piece, just a few sentences saying how you see the issue and why.
And if anyone from the list or from Gemstone for that matter want to
tell me why my views on this subject are wrong, unfeasible, etc. I
would *love* to hear that! I may still not like there being so many
re-reprints, but perhaps then I would at least understand why.
Dean Rekich
October Gemstone issues. :( I was wondering if Gary could tell us if
this is an exception, or if this is now going to be par for the
course? I afraid due to comments such as, "In response to numerous
requests that Donald Duck and Friends contain more vintage material"
and a similar one for Mickey Mouse and Friends, that we will be seeing
a lot more reprints than we did see in the first 16 months or so of
Gemstone titles. At least the reprint stories in these issues of MM&F
and DD&F are stories that have not been reprinted to death...
As far as Rosa's "Son of the Sun" being reprinted in US#335 and
the requests for it, I am as baffled as Derek Smith is. Why reprint
this when is was just printed in 1987 and then re-reprinted *4* times
later in various albums?!? I realize that there are many fans of
Rosa's work. I am a huge fan of his work myself. And it would be
great if *every* issue of US had a new Rosa story. However since Don
only creates 2 or 3 stories a year, there can only be 2 or 3 issues a
year of new Rosa stories. Do people really want to read reprints of
Rosa stories in US each month instead of new European stories that
have never been printed in the USA? I am afraid that Gemstone will
start reprinting *all* of Don's stories rather frequently in upcoming
issues! :( Are there really a lot of people who want to see say "Cash
Flow" reprinted in the December US and then say "Last Sled to Dawson"
in the February 2005 issue? I don't think so, but I would love to
hear from members on the list who agree or disagree with me on that.
It seems to me that readers of almost no other comics series than
Disney comics readers have to put up with the re-re-reprints like
Disney comic readers do. I realize that there are HUGE differences
between Disney comics and superhero comics from DC and Marvel. Still
though, imagine if issues of Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc. had on
a regular basis reprints of stories from the past. I think very few
fans of these comics would buy these issues that had all of these
reprints. If they don't have to settle for old stories, why should
Disney comic readers? Plus it is all the worse with Disney comics in
that there are literally *thousands* of European stories that have
never been printed in North America before! Gemstone could publish
all their titles for *years* without once using a reprint if they
wanted to.
I think the saddest thing is that this does not have to be a
problem. There are at least two ways to make fans of new and old
stories both happy. One if for Gemstone to start publishing TPBs of
classic Disney stories. I am so emphatic about that that I would have
written the whole last sentence in capital letters except that it
would be very annoying to read! :) I was surprised that Gemstone did
not very early on start publishing such TPBs. Then I thought they
might start early in 2004. It seems that in at least one letter
column a month that Gemstone mentions publishing them someday. Well,
I have been reading that month after month for so long that I am
starting to think of Gemstone in this regard as "The Boy Who Cried
Wolf"! Maybe someday we will see such TPBs, but I am not exactly
holding my breath...
The other option would be a "Walt Disney Classics" monthly title.
Imagine if in October Gemstone had a "Disney Classics" 64 page
prestige format issue like US and WDC&S. They could have reprinted
"Son of the Sun", "Westward Whoa", and "Snow Day" in this *one* issue!
Then the other titles could have new European stories in them. In
this case, wouldn't fans of old and new stories both be satisfied?
I can understand why many European members on the list don't have
this as a big issue one way or another. However, for North America
and the English reading population, Gemstone is our only outlet for
these stories. It is not like if they publish a lot of reprints that
we have the option of getting new Disney stories from someplace else.
So I would really appreciate if members on the list gave their
thoughts on this reprints issue pro or con. It wouldn't have to be a
long piece, just a few sentences saying how you see the issue and why.
And if anyone from the list or from Gemstone for that matter want to
tell me why my views on this subject are wrong, unfeasible, etc. I
would *love* to hear that! I may still not like there being so many
re-reprints, but perhaps then I would at least understand why.
Dean Rekich
Lars Olav Karlsen
Chronological Donald
Message 111 -
2004-07-23 at 23:20:35
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up so if this isn't turning up either I give up.
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Adel Khan
Sent: 23. juli 2004 01:39
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: Chronological Donald
Hi all,
I just bought 'The Chronological Donald 1" the set has 36 cartoons from
1934 - 1941. If you notice most Donald Duck shorts were censored Leonard
Maltin tells the reason the short was censored, shows the whole cartoon.
Most shorts from the 30"s I didn't enjoy another reason is because of
the quality. The second disc had much better shorts and the sound is
better. Most of you might agree that I felt irritated they should have
made it a five disc complete set from the 50"s to 60"s. Take this as a
rumor, but the following are probably the sets for the next year Mickey
Mouse in Black and White Volume II, Mickey Mouse Club, The Complete
Pluto and Chronological Donald 2. The shorts should be better then the
first set.
Adel
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many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up so if this isn't turning up either I give up.
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Adel Khan
Sent: 23. juli 2004 01:39
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: Chronological Donald
Hi all,
I just bought 'The Chronological Donald 1" the set has 36 cartoons from
1934 - 1941. If you notice most Donald Duck shorts were censored Leonard
Maltin tells the reason the short was censored, shows the whole cartoon.
Most shorts from the 30"s I didn't enjoy another reason is because of
the quality. The second disc had much better shorts and the sound is
better. Most of you might agree that I felt irritated they should have
made it a five disc complete set from the 50"s to 60"s. Take this as a
rumor, but the following are probably the sets for the next year Mickey
Mouse in Black and White Volume II, Mickey Mouse Club, The Complete
Pluto and Chronological Donald 2. The shorts should be better then the
first set.
Adel
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Chronological Donald
Message 112 -
2004-07-23 at 23:49:56
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up. I do hope that I have found the problem now, and
trying another time with this. If anybody with approval privileges could
approve my 2 first emails then I would be grateful because I wrote them
away from home so I don't have any record of them on my computer.
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up. I do hope that I have found the problem now, and
trying another time with this. If anybody with approval privileges could
approve my 2 first emails then I would be grateful because I wrote them
away from home so I don't have any record of them on my computer.
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
Lars Jensen
Disney's New Look in Comics
Message 113 -
2004-07-24 at 00:46:42
There's an article on Newsarama about new Disney comics, such as Kylion.
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952
Lars
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952
Lars
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
Son of the Sun reprint
Message 114 -
2004-07-24 at 02:24:53
I already have 1 reprint of this book (in one of the rare Comics In Color books), so I'm not clamoring to get another copy, but I must respond to this:
>Tell them to be
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3 instead
>of
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue.
Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3? The copy at my local shop is $19.
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>Tell them to be
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3 instead
>of
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue.
Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3? The copy at my local shop is $19.
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Disney Treasures/New Look/Son of The Sun
Message 115 -
2004-07-24 at 04:25:03
Lars Olav Karlsen posted:
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
---------------------------------------
Too bad about Donald not being released along with this batch, but
considering how much material there is to release, I can see why Volume 2 was delayed in
favor of something else. I really hope that sometime down the line, Disney
releases a second volume of the Silly Symphonies cartoons. Hopefully the first
set sold enough to encourage them to do so at some point.
Lars Jensen posted:
There's an article on Newsarama about new Disney comics, such as Kylion.
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952
------------------------------------------------
And no or nearly no mention of Gemstone in that article. To talk about
'Disney' comics in the US and not mention Gemstone is almost laughable. That's a
problem I have with Disney USA (not Disney Italy, since they clearly promote both
old and new stuff): They trip over themselves to promote stuff like
W.I.T.C.H. and yet Donald Duck/Scrooge might as well not exist to them. And frankly
that kind of attitude is just stupid on their part, though not unexpected. Still,
it would be interesting to have this new stuff come to the US, along with
alot of other non-Disney European stuff that never gets puiblished in the US.
Rodney posted:
I already have 1 reprint of this book (in one of the rare Comics In Color
books), so I'm not clamoring to get another copy, but I must respond to this:
>Tell them to be
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3
instead
>of
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue.
Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3? The copy at my local shop is
$19.
------------------------------------------------------
Okay, I may have overstated a bit. Not about my own experience, but with the
general market. My copy of US 219 is what I would call NM. Now would that
correspond to Mr. Overstreet's idea of NM, I don't know. The inside pages of my
copy were all in great condition (no tears, stains, etc.) though it was somewhar
yellowed. The cover had a few creases on it, but no tears, etc. My idea of NM
and it cost $3. Not I'll admit, that my comics shop could never be accused of
ripping people off, he certainly charges fair or even more than fair prices
for his stuff. He had/has a lot of Series I/Disney Comics for $2-3 in NM/Mint
condition. Not too much Series II stuff for the same (no prestige format, just
regular comics). And of course, Whitman stuff varying from $4-15 in conditions
I'd call less than NM. Probably ranging from Fair to Very Good.
I haven't checked eBay lately, I'm sure prices there are much more, though
you can get deals similiar to what I pay at my comics shop if you're lucky and
depending on what comics you want. I remember getting the last or near last
issues of Uncle Scrooge Adventures 52/53 mint for like, $3-4 each including
shipping.
So I probably overstated stuff a bit. Most comic shops probably aren't as
good with their prices as mine is (if they have Disney back issues at all, some
I've been to don't). Though for $19, I'm sure Rodney's The Son of The Sun issue
is in better shape than mine is (though his isn't US219. His is, I assume
part of that Don Rosa four issue Scrooge series that was like the Carl Barks
Scrooge in Color albums. $19, that's a good amount, but it is rarer than some of
the other albums and it cost like $8-9? when originally released, so I guess
$19 isn't a bad price for what you're getting. I've seen some on eBay go for
$20-25.) I got several US in Color Barks albums for about $8-9 each a few years
ago on eBay. Some were Mint, others were fine except for a bad crease in the
lower right corner. However none came with the collector cards, so that's a
big reason why the price was so low. I just wanted the stories, so I didn't care
about the cards (though one day, I may try to collect them).
So anyway, that's my story on what shape my issue is in, and how my shop is
probably more lenient than others in terms of back issue price.
Derek Smith
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2
The Mickey Mouse Club
The Complete Pluto
True Life Adventures
---------------------------------------
Too bad about Donald not being released along with this batch, but
considering how much material there is to release, I can see why Volume 2 was delayed in
favor of something else. I really hope that sometime down the line, Disney
releases a second volume of the Silly Symphonies cartoons. Hopefully the first
set sold enough to encourage them to do so at some point.
Lars Jensen posted:
There's an article on Newsarama about new Disney comics, such as Kylion.
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952
------------------------------------------------
And no or nearly no mention of Gemstone in that article. To talk about
'Disney' comics in the US and not mention Gemstone is almost laughable. That's a
problem I have with Disney USA (not Disney Italy, since they clearly promote both
old and new stuff): They trip over themselves to promote stuff like
W.I.T.C.H. and yet Donald Duck/Scrooge might as well not exist to them. And frankly
that kind of attitude is just stupid on their part, though not unexpected. Still,
it would be interesting to have this new stuff come to the US, along with
alot of other non-Disney European stuff that never gets puiblished in the US.
Rodney posted:
I already have 1 reprint of this book (in one of the rare Comics In Color
books), so I'm not clamoring to get another copy, but I must respond to this:
>Tell them to be
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3
instead
>of
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue.
Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3? The copy at my local shop is
$19.
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Okay, I may have overstated a bit. Not about my own experience, but with the
general market. My copy of US 219 is what I would call NM. Now would that
correspond to Mr. Overstreet's idea of NM, I don't know. The inside pages of my
copy were all in great condition (no tears, stains, etc.) though it was somewhar
yellowed. The cover had a few creases on it, but no tears, etc. My idea of NM
and it cost $3. Not I'll admit, that my comics shop could never be accused of
ripping people off, he certainly charges fair or even more than fair prices
for his stuff. He had/has a lot of Series I/Disney Comics for $2-3 in NM/Mint
condition. Not too much Series II stuff for the same (no prestige format, just
regular comics). And of course, Whitman stuff varying from $4-15 in conditions
I'd call less than NM. Probably ranging from Fair to Very Good.
I haven't checked eBay lately, I'm sure prices there are much more, though
you can get deals similiar to what I pay at my comics shop if you're lucky and
depending on what comics you want. I remember getting the last or near last
issues of Uncle Scrooge Adventures 52/53 mint for like, $3-4 each including
shipping.
So I probably overstated stuff a bit. Most comic shops probably aren't as
good with their prices as mine is (if they have Disney back issues at all, some
I've been to don't). Though for $19, I'm sure Rodney's The Son of The Sun issue
is in better shape than mine is (though his isn't US219. His is, I assume
part of that Don Rosa four issue Scrooge series that was like the Carl Barks
Scrooge in Color albums. $19, that's a good amount, but it is rarer than some of
the other albums and it cost like $8-9? when originally released, so I guess
$19 isn't a bad price for what you're getting. I've seen some on eBay go for
$20-25.) I got several US in Color Barks albums for about $8-9 each a few years
ago on eBay. Some were Mint, others were fine except for a bad crease in the
lower right corner. However none came with the collector cards, so that's a
big reason why the price was so low. I just wanted the stories, so I didn't care
about the cards (though one day, I may try to collect them).
So anyway, that's my story on what shape my issue is in, and how my shop is
probably more lenient than others in terms of back issue price.
Derek Smith
Katie Sullivan
Gemstone reprints
Message 116 -
2004-07-24 at 07:12:38
I don't really mind reprints of stories that haven't been seen
in decades or are otherwise rare. But I'd much prefer all-new
material--*especially* the Rosa stories that haven't been
published in America yet!! I guess as long as there's a mix
it's acceptable. Although it would be a nice idea to have the
reprint in trade paperback size books and more new stuff in the
prestige titles. *shrug*
On the other hand, I'd like it even more if I could get the
Donald Duck title *without* the comic being 1/3 Mickey Mouse. I
know there are lots of Mickey fans. I'm just not one of them.
I'm not going to buy the Mickey Mouse title to get one duck
story, either. So I miss one duck story every month and get one
mouse story that I don't really care about. I'll admit I'm so
Disney-comics-starved that I do read the Mickey stories, and
some of them are entertaining, but I'd still rather have ducks.
Maybe it's just me, but it irritates me to buy "Donald Duck" and
find a third of the comic is mice. (And yes, I know it's
"Donald Duck *and Friends*" but it's still "Donald Duck" as far
as the numbering system and my pocketbook are concerned.) What
is so wrong about having one of the "non-prestige" titles be all
mice, and one all ducks? We already get a mix in WDC&S.
Pet peeve of mine. ;)
My $00.02,
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in decades or are otherwise rare. But I'd much prefer all-new
material--*especially* the Rosa stories that haven't been
published in America yet!! I guess as long as there's a mix
it's acceptable. Although it would be a nice idea to have the
reprint in trade paperback size books and more new stuff in the
prestige titles. *shrug*
On the other hand, I'd like it even more if I could get the
Donald Duck title *without* the comic being 1/3 Mickey Mouse. I
know there are lots of Mickey fans. I'm just not one of them.
I'm not going to buy the Mickey Mouse title to get one duck
story, either. So I miss one duck story every month and get one
mouse story that I don't really care about. I'll admit I'm so
Disney-comics-starved that I do read the Mickey stories, and
some of them are entertaining, but I'd still rather have ducks.
Maybe it's just me, but it irritates me to buy "Donald Duck" and
find a third of the comic is mice. (And yes, I know it's
"Donald Duck *and Friends*" but it's still "Donald Duck" as far
as the numbering system and my pocketbook are concerned.) What
is so wrong about having one of the "non-prestige" titles be all
mice, and one all ducks? We already get a mix in WDC&S.
Pet peeve of mine. ;)
My $00.02,
Katie Sullivan
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Jason Gerstein
Son of the Sun reprint and others
Message 117 -
2004-07-24 at 09:04:14
Just to throw in my two cents about the reprinting of Rosa's stories...
I agree with the idea that it may be a bit too soon for most of his stories,
but for a select few I don't think it's an outrageous concept. I mean, Son
of the Sun is almost 17 years old already! Of course if you start there when
do you stop? I would personally like to see all of his stories printed in
the US in english on a nicer quality paper at some point(since I seem to
recall some of the Gladstone ones were newsprint), but that could easily be
accomplished in a collection(which never seems to be done in the US or
elsewhere in english). But they certainly don't need to start recycling all
of them in normal comics quite yet(and not at $7/pop).
On a similar note, I would actually prefer it if they stopped reprinting
some of the same Barks stories again and again. Any of the obscure ones are
welcome, but it seems I always stumble across the same stories again and
again. What makes this a problem for me is that I know there are soooooo
many stories that have been printed overseas by guys like Vicar and Branca
that have never made it here. I would prefer new stuff constantly than just
repeating the same things again and again.
One other thing I wanted to touch on was the idea that finding Disney comics
in the US was easy. Gosh no. I've scoured so many comic shops in a variety
of states for Disney comics, and the amount of times I can actually find
anything from the Gladstone era(or anything Don did) is such a rarity. I
find myself almost exclusively having to resort to online or mail order from
a few random stores I find here and there around the country, and even then
they never have a full run available to pick through but just a few random
issues here and there. Nobody stocks them since so few read them.
I've listened to a few people overseas talk about being able to walk into
plenty of stores and look through piles of duck back issues, but here in the
US the ducks are usually relegated to out of the way places or simply not
even carried(with the exception of some of the old Barks comics which have
got prices only collectors can buy). The overseas folk have definately got
it much easier:)
Ok, so maybe that was more than two cents...
-Jason
I agree with the idea that it may be a bit too soon for most of his stories,
but for a select few I don't think it's an outrageous concept. I mean, Son
of the Sun is almost 17 years old already! Of course if you start there when
do you stop? I would personally like to see all of his stories printed in
the US in english on a nicer quality paper at some point(since I seem to
recall some of the Gladstone ones were newsprint), but that could easily be
accomplished in a collection(which never seems to be done in the US or
elsewhere in english). But they certainly don't need to start recycling all
of them in normal comics quite yet(and not at $7/pop).
On a similar note, I would actually prefer it if they stopped reprinting
some of the same Barks stories again and again. Any of the obscure ones are
welcome, but it seems I always stumble across the same stories again and
again. What makes this a problem for me is that I know there are soooooo
many stories that have been printed overseas by guys like Vicar and Branca
that have never made it here. I would prefer new stuff constantly than just
repeating the same things again and again.
One other thing I wanted to touch on was the idea that finding Disney comics
in the US was easy. Gosh no. I've scoured so many comic shops in a variety
of states for Disney comics, and the amount of times I can actually find
anything from the Gladstone era(or anything Don did) is such a rarity. I
find myself almost exclusively having to resort to online or mail order from
a few random stores I find here and there around the country, and even then
they never have a full run available to pick through but just a few random
issues here and there. Nobody stocks them since so few read them.
I've listened to a few people overseas talk about being able to walk into
plenty of stores and look through piles of duck back issues, but here in the
US the ducks are usually relegated to out of the way places or simply not
even carried(with the exception of some of the old Barks comics which have
got prices only collectors can buy). The overseas folk have definately got
it much easier:)
Ok, so maybe that was more than two cents...
-Jason
Chris Hilbig
Son of the Sun reprint and others
Message 118 -
2004-07-24 at 16:33:40
I've been under the impression that Gemstone operates trying to make
publishing Disney Comics as economical as possible. (For them) That's
why we in the US we'll mainly see Egmont and Barks material because
Gemstone won't have to pay to produce it, because it already exists.
(Three years worth of Egmont material that's never seen print in the
USA or in English.) I don't know how the Disney license works out for
them or what the schedule at Gemstone is, (I assume every now and then
the staff gets a little behind in their work schedule. It happens. :P)
but I'm left scratching my head as to why stories like "Son of the Sun"
and "His Majesty Mc Duck", which you can find them in a non-yellowed
"in-color" album over at Gladstone, when there is such a back-log of
material from Europe. I think there would be a greater appreciation if
the U$ title featured Rosa/Vicar/Branca material that hasn't seen print
here in the US.
Barks is sort of a different matter, there is such a vast collection
of his work, it's probably very easy to re-re-reprint his work. What
some fans may have seen, others haven't. In his case, I would suggest
reprinting work that hasn't been seen in the past 10-20 years. I also
agree with the idea of a classics title or special collection/library
in TPB dedicated to Rosa, Bark, etc. Gemstone could easily keep them
in print for months if not years at a time.
I'm also not much of a fan of mixing Mouse and Duck material in both
"the Friends" and "Adventure" titles, but I'm assuming Gemstone wants
to maximize sales with this strategy. I don't know if this has been a
success compared to both the Gladstone and Disney runs. (For
Gladstone's second run, you had to purchase WDC&S, D and M, or DD and
MM titles if you wanted to read any mouse stories. Otherwise, the Duck
titles had been kept segregated from Mouse stuff.)
Nonetheless, selling Disney comics here in the US is a tuff bit. I
remember towards the end of Gladstone's second run, shops here in San
Antonio just quit carrying them. Although back issues of Disney Comics'
run are still in ample supply, compared to Gladstone and other runs.
But comic shops haven't been as enjoyable since most of them have
converted over to being collector stores. On top of that, over the
years comic stores have become few and farther between. So ordering
online and through mail order has become more and more of an attractive
alternative.
Speaking of ordering online, can anyone recommend an online Italian
comic shop that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for shipping?
Chris
publishing Disney Comics as economical as possible. (For them) That's
why we in the US we'll mainly see Egmont and Barks material because
Gemstone won't have to pay to produce it, because it already exists.
(Three years worth of Egmont material that's never seen print in the
USA or in English.) I don't know how the Disney license works out for
them or what the schedule at Gemstone is, (I assume every now and then
the staff gets a little behind in their work schedule. It happens. :P)
but I'm left scratching my head as to why stories like "Son of the Sun"
and "His Majesty Mc Duck", which you can find them in a non-yellowed
"in-color" album over at Gladstone, when there is such a back-log of
material from Europe. I think there would be a greater appreciation if
the U$ title featured Rosa/Vicar/Branca material that hasn't seen print
here in the US.
Barks is sort of a different matter, there is such a vast collection
of his work, it's probably very easy to re-re-reprint his work. What
some fans may have seen, others haven't. In his case, I would suggest
reprinting work that hasn't been seen in the past 10-20 years. I also
agree with the idea of a classics title or special collection/library
in TPB dedicated to Rosa, Bark, etc. Gemstone could easily keep them
in print for months if not years at a time.
I'm also not much of a fan of mixing Mouse and Duck material in both
"the Friends" and "Adventure" titles, but I'm assuming Gemstone wants
to maximize sales with this strategy. I don't know if this has been a
success compared to both the Gladstone and Disney runs. (For
Gladstone's second run, you had to purchase WDC&S, D and M, or DD and
MM titles if you wanted to read any mouse stories. Otherwise, the Duck
titles had been kept segregated from Mouse stuff.)
Nonetheless, selling Disney comics here in the US is a tuff bit. I
remember towards the end of Gladstone's second run, shops here in San
Antonio just quit carrying them. Although back issues of Disney Comics'
run are still in ample supply, compared to Gladstone and other runs.
But comic shops haven't been as enjoyable since most of them have
converted over to being collector stores. On top of that, over the
years comic stores have become few and farther between. So ordering
online and through mail order has become more and more of an attractive
alternative.
Speaking of ordering online, can anyone recommend an online Italian
comic shop that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for shipping?
Chris
Lars Jensen
DISNEY GLOBAL POWERHOUSE - Incredibles, Pirates o/t C,
Message 119 -
2004-07-25 at 00:04:14
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ZeldasTriforce
2003 Eisner Award Winners
Message 120 -
2004-07-25 at 04:05:18
Hi all!
Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003. The Uncle
Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a Younger Audince. Yay!!! I wonder who
accepted the award in San Diego. BTW, the guy who won Best Lettering, his initials
are T. K. That's probably all the explanation that's needed. ;)
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Derek Smith
Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003. The Uncle
Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a Younger Audince. Yay!!! I wonder who
accepted the award in San Diego. BTW, the guy who won Best Lettering, his initials
are T. K. That's probably all the explanation that's needed. ;)
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=002541
Derek Smith