Hi all
Donald Markstein wrote about an interesting tv-programe - thanks for the
interesting description!
> (And by the way, I believe the Urban Legend about someone being denied a
> patent on the basis of this earlier published description is true. About
> 30-35 years ago, when I was working for the New Orleans newspaper, I
> wrote a story about a local diver who CLAIMED, at least, that had
> happened to him. I got the assignment because I was the only one on
> staff who could supply panels from the comic book to illustrate the story.)
It's a fact that the danih inventor Karl Kr?yer tried to take a patent on his
little light balls with which he raised a ship in the persian gulf. He
couldn't take the patent because it was already invented by Donald Duck.
I've seen references to this in several dansih articles about Donald Duck.
AC
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Topic: 200411
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Acsive
Shipraising by ping pon balls - urban legend? no!
Message 16 -
2004-11-05 at 13:12:43
Donald D. Markstein
DCML Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5
Message 17 -
2004-11-05 at 14:01:03
>
>
>With known weight and volume of a single ping pong ball they
>should surely have been able to exactly calculate this on
>beforehand down to the last ping pong ball.
>
Well, yes, I suppose they could. But let's not forget this show is less
a treatise on the efficient pursuit of knowledge than -- well, a SHOW.
Calculating isn't as visually interesting as filling a space with balls
and measuring, especially considering the ridiculous lengths they go to
for accurate measurement.
> Or they could have taken a floating ship, stored it full of
>ping pong balls and then flooded it. And see if the water
>which now flows in the spaces between the ping pong balls
>is too heavy for the ship and drowns it.
>
And how could that possibly substitute for the triumphant moment when
the boat, which had been resting on the bottom, suddenly floated to the
surface?
>I hope they counted the balls and not
>just the total volume they filled with balls. Because packaging
>can make a big difference there.
>
OF COURSE they counted the balls (or at least, poured them in from boxes
the manufacturer claimed held a certain number). These guys are nothing
if not fanatically devoted to numerical accuracy, at least when it can
be achieved in a way that amuses the audience.
>The most efficient way top raise a sunken ship would probably be
>to put a giant, empty ballon inside and pump it up below water.
>
Which, in fact, IS how sunken ships are often raised. (As noted on the
show.)
Quack, Don
>
>With known weight and volume of a single ping pong ball they
>should surely have been able to exactly calculate this on
>beforehand down to the last ping pong ball.
>
Well, yes, I suppose they could. But let's not forget this show is less
a treatise on the efficient pursuit of knowledge than -- well, a SHOW.
Calculating isn't as visually interesting as filling a space with balls
and measuring, especially considering the ridiculous lengths they go to
for accurate measurement.
> Or they could have taken a floating ship, stored it full of
>ping pong balls and then flooded it. And see if the water
>which now flows in the spaces between the ping pong balls
>is too heavy for the ship and drowns it.
>
And how could that possibly substitute for the triumphant moment when
the boat, which had been resting on the bottom, suddenly floated to the
surface?
>I hope they counted the balls and not
>just the total volume they filled with balls. Because packaging
>can make a big difference there.
>
OF COURSE they counted the balls (or at least, poured them in from boxes
the manufacturer claimed held a certain number). These guys are nothing
if not fanatically devoted to numerical accuracy, at least when it can
be achieved in a way that amuses the audience.
>The most efficient way top raise a sunken ship would probably be
>to put a giant, empty ballon inside and pump it up below water.
>
Which, in fact, IS how sunken ships are often raised. (As noted on the
show.)
Quack, Don
Donald D. Markstein
DCML Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5
Message 18 -
2004-11-05 at 14:04:14
>
>
>About a half year ago someone of the production crew of Mythbusters asked me for these scans of the story. They had already shot the episode but they had actually not seen the Barks story itself yet.
>
>I haven't seen the episode -- did the pages of the story look alright on TV
>
They looked fine -- white pages with sharp reproduction, which is what
made me think they came from an album. I figured they'd gotten an actual
album and sliced the spine off so they could display individual pages
scattered across a table, but I guess those must have been reproductions
from it.
Quack, Don
>
>About a half year ago someone of the production crew of Mythbusters asked me for these scans of the story. They had already shot the episode but they had actually not seen the Barks story itself yet.
>
>I haven't seen the episode -- did the pages of the story look alright on TV
>
They looked fine -- white pages with sharp reproduction, which is what
made me think they came from an album. I figured they'd gotten an actual
album and sliced the spine off so they could display individual pages
scattered across a table, but I guess those must have been reproductions
from it.
Quack, Don
Richard
Barks in the National Geographic
Message 19 -
2004-11-05 at 14:44:47
Bjorn:
>I have now seen this in several versions, however it is a mystery to me why
>my own issue of July 2002 (the D-Day issue) definitely does not contain this
>page. Any explanation?
When I looked it up after it was mentioned in the DCML, I could not find it in
the French language edition. But then I looked at the English language
version and it was there. So you may have looked at one of those different
editions that doesn't have it (there could even be several English languages
versions: the US one, an "international" or European one etc.).
As far as I remember it was only two pages long, so it's easy to remove it or
add it.
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>I have now seen this in several versions, however it is a mystery to me why
>my own issue of July 2002 (the D-Day issue) definitely does not contain this
>page. Any explanation?
When I looked it up after it was mentioned in the DCML, I could not find it in
the French language edition. But then I looked at the English language
version and it was there. So you may have looked at one of those different
editions that doesn't have it (there could even be several English languages
versions: the US one, an "international" or European one etc.).
As far as I remember it was only two pages long, so it's easy to remove it or
add it.
--
I'm not reading mails sent to lerichard at free.fr anymore. To contact me use
f-wi at induREMOVE.also.THIScks (remove the hyphen and add ".org").
Lars Olav Karlsen
Duckburg
Message 20 -
2004-11-06 at 03:09:47
I have always been in the impression that it was Carl Barks that
invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
came up with that name?
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
came up with that name?
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
Lars Olav Karlsen
Duckburg
Message 21 -
2004-11-06 at 03:10:20
I have always been in the impression that it was Carl Barks that
invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
came up with that name?
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
came up with that name?
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
Adel Khan
Duck who never was scans
Message 22 -
2004-11-06 at 05:11:02
Hi all,
I was wondering if any of u could scan me some pages to Don Rosa"s story the "Duck Who Never was".It would be really helpful if any of you could scan the english version.If u cant could u tell me the main plot what really happens instead of a brief thing.
From,
Adel
I was wondering if any of u could scan me some pages to Don Rosa"s story the "Duck Who Never was".It would be really helpful if any of you could scan the english version.If u cant could u tell me the main plot what really happens instead of a brief thing.
From,
Adel
Adel Khan
Duck who never was
Message 23 -
2004-11-06 at 05:17:51
Hi all,
I was wondering if any of u could scan me some pages to Don Rosa"s story the "Duck Who Never was".It would be really helpful if any of you could scan the english version.If u cant could u tell me the main plot what really happens instead of a brief thing.
From,
Adel
I was wondering if any of u could scan me some pages to Don Rosa"s story the "Duck Who Never was".It would be really helpful if any of you could scan the english version.If u cant could u tell me the main plot what really happens instead of a brief thing.
From,
Adel
Richard
Duckburg
Message 24 -
2004-11-06 at 15:56:38
Le samedi 6 Novembre 2004 02:09, Lars Olav Karlsen a ?crit?:
> on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago someone noted quickly that although
> Barks was not the first to use the name Duckburg he was surely the one that
> made it what it was today.
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
I know nothing like that! As far as I know or knew the first mention of
Duckburg is in the last panel of "High-wire Daredevils" (1944, WDC 49). There
is an earlier name for Donald's city in a Barks story, in WDC 42, "Kite
Weather", as "Quackville" (it's written on the newspaper).
Other towns in Duckburg's area from Barks stories include:
Pumpkinburg (WDC 54)
Pickleburg (WDC 72)
Codfish Cove (WDC 114)
Omelet (WDC 146)
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> on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago someone noted quickly that although
> Barks was not the first to use the name Duckburg he was surely the one that
> made it what it was today.
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
I know nothing like that! As far as I know or knew the first mention of
Duckburg is in the last panel of "High-wire Daredevils" (1944, WDC 49). There
is an earlier name for Donald's city in a Barks story, in WDC 42, "Kite
Weather", as "Quackville" (it's written on the newspaper).
Other towns in Duckburg's area from Barks stories include:
Pumpkinburg (WDC 54)
Pickleburg (WDC 72)
Codfish Cove (WDC 114)
Omelet (WDC 146)
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Lars Olav Karlsen
Duckburg
Message 25 -
2004-11-06 at 17:15:59
I know that lots of websites states that Barks was the first to use the
term Duckburg but it should have been mentioned by someone else before
him, maybe on a sign on the wall or something.
Lars
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno [mailto:perel.bruno at wanadoo.fr]
Sent: 6. november 2004 15:13
To: Lars Olav Karlsen
Subject: Re: Duckburg
It seems that Carl Barks was the fiest to use the nameof Duckbug,
if we are referring to the duckman page
(http://duckman.pettho.com/history/chapter0.html)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Olav Karlsen" <donald at lokarlsen.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:09 AM
Subject: Duckburg
>
>
> I have always been in the impression that it was Carl Barks that
> invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
> someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
> name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
>
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
>
>
> Lars Karlsen
> Oslo, Norway
>
>
>
>
term Duckburg but it should have been mentioned by someone else before
him, maybe on a sign on the wall or something.
Lars
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno [mailto:perel.bruno at wanadoo.fr]
Sent: 6. november 2004 15:13
To: Lars Olav Karlsen
Subject: Re: Duckburg
It seems that Carl Barks was the fiest to use the nameof Duckbug,
if we are referring to the duckman page
(http://duckman.pettho.com/history/chapter0.html)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Olav Karlsen" <donald at lokarlsen.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:09 AM
Subject: Duckburg
>
>
> I have always been in the impression that it was Carl Barks that
> invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
> someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
> name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
>
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
>
>
> Lars Karlsen
> Oslo, Norway
>
>
>
>
Rob Klein
First to name Duckburg
Message 26 -
2004-11-06 at 20:00:40
> I have always been in the impression that it was Carl Barks that
> invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
> someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
> name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
>
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
>
>
> Lars Karlsen
> Oslo, Norway
Barks re-wrote and drew the first Donald Duck (thereby, Duck) story for "Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories' in 1943. He had co-written and drawn the first
Donald Duck one-shot story in 1942. He first used the name "Duckburg" for the
town where Donald lived in the early 1940s. If someone had used it before him,
it would have had to be Bob Karp or another of Al Taliaferro's writers in the
Donald Duck newspaper comic strip, or in the Donald Duck animated shorts. I
think I DO remember seeing that name on a panel or two in the newspaper strips,
but don't have time to look through all the reprinted newspaper strips in my
old US Comics and Stories issues (after all-it may NOT have been in those! It
may have only been in a strip that was NEVER reprinted in the comic books! I
can also picture in my mind viewing the word "Duckburg" or "Duckburgh" on the
header of a newspaper Donald was reading in a very late 1930s or an early 1940s
Donald Duck animated short (of course, that means even if this were true, it
may well have been Barks who used it in the short).
Rob Klein
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> invented the name Duckburg, but on a Carl Barks seminar some days ago
> someone noted quickly that although Barks was not the first to use the
> name Duckburg he was surely the one that made it what it was today.
>
> Does anybody here know what story Duckburg first was mentioned and who
> came up with that name?
>
>
> Lars Karlsen
> Oslo, Norway
Barks re-wrote and drew the first Donald Duck (thereby, Duck) story for "Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories' in 1943. He had co-written and drawn the first
Donald Duck one-shot story in 1942. He first used the name "Duckburg" for the
town where Donald lived in the early 1940s. If someone had used it before him,
it would have had to be Bob Karp or another of Al Taliaferro's writers in the
Donald Duck newspaper comic strip, or in the Donald Duck animated shorts. I
think I DO remember seeing that name on a panel or two in the newspaper strips,
but don't have time to look through all the reprinted newspaper strips in my
old US Comics and Stories issues (after all-it may NOT have been in those! It
may have only been in a strip that was NEVER reprinted in the comic books! I
can also picture in my mind viewing the word "Duckburg" or "Duckburgh" on the
header of a newspaper Donald was reading in a very late 1930s or an early 1940s
Donald Duck animated short (of course, that means even if this were true, it
may well have been Barks who used it in the short).
Rob Klein
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ZeldasTriforce
Barks/Geppi Picture-Article
Message 27 -
2004-11-06 at 21:15:58
Hi all!
At Scoop there's a picture of Carl Barks with Steve Geppi in 1994 during the
time Steve commissioned a painting from Barks.
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=6792&si=121
Derek Smith
At Scoop there's a picture of Carl Barks with Steve Geppi in 1994 during the
time Steve commissioned a painting from Barks.
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=6792&si=121
Derek Smith
Frank Bubacz
Duckburg
Message 28 -
2004-11-07 at 13:22:26
Richard:
>As far as I know or knew the first mention of Duckburg is in the last panel
>of "High-wire Daredevils" (1944, WDC 49). There is an earlier name for
>Donald's city in a Barks story, in WDC 42, "Kite Weather", as "Quackville"
>(it's written on the newspaper).
That's correct. Also of note is the mention of Burbank as Donald's hometown
in at least two later Barks stories, which reminds me of an unanswered
question I asked some time ago [quote]:
Being largely unfamiliar with the original versions of the Barks stories, I
find it surprising that Donald still mentions Burbank as his location in WDC
101 (Donald Duck's Worst Nightmare). I knew of its mention in the early
story Maharadjah Donald, but if Burbank still is mentioned as late as 1949,
I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks? And from when on was the name
Duckburg used regularly?
Frank
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>As far as I know or knew the first mention of Duckburg is in the last panel
>of "High-wire Daredevils" (1944, WDC 49). There is an earlier name for
>Donald's city in a Barks story, in WDC 42, "Kite Weather", as "Quackville"
>(it's written on the newspaper).
That's correct. Also of note is the mention of Burbank as Donald's hometown
in at least two later Barks stories, which reminds me of an unanswered
question I asked some time ago [quote]:
Being largely unfamiliar with the original versions of the Barks stories, I
find it surprising that Donald still mentions Burbank as his location in WDC
101 (Donald Duck's Worst Nightmare). I knew of its mention in the early
story Maharadjah Donald, but if Burbank still is mentioned as late as 1949,
I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks? And from when on was the name
Duckburg used regularly?
Frank
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Duckburg
Message 29 -
2004-11-07 at 15:16:27
Frank Bubacz <frankbubacz at hotmail.com> skreiv Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:22:26
+0100
> I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
> that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks?
The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49 DOESN'T
make Duckburg the hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
Duckburg exists. :-)
+0100
> I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
> that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks?
The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49 DOESN'T
make Duckburg the hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
Duckburg exists. :-)
Frank Bubacz
Duckburg
Message 30 -
2004-11-07 at 15:48:27
Olaf:
>The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49 DOESN'T
>make Duckburg the >hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
>Duckburg exists. :-)
You're of course absolutely right and the discussion might become really
interesting now! Until anybody proves me wrong with hard evidence, I
herewith claim that Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
Frank
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>The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49 DOESN'T
>make Duckburg the >hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
>Duckburg exists. :-)
You're of course absolutely right and the discussion might become really
interesting now! Until anybody proves me wrong with hard evidence, I
herewith claim that Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
Frank
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