so does Duckburg exist in the comic strips or animated cartoons before 1950?
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Topic: 200411
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SRoweCanoe
Duckburg
Message 31 -
2004-11-07 at 15:57:49
Frank Bubacz
Duckburg
Message 32 -
2004-11-07 at 17:09:02
Me:
>Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa". It seems it was
around this time (1948/49) that Barks eventually settled on the name
Duckburg (apart from that strange exception in WDC 101).
It's indeed very probable, however, that Karp/Taliaferro were the first to
use it in their daily strips.
Frank
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>Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa". It seems it was
around this time (1948/49) that Barks eventually settled on the name
Duckburg (apart from that strange exception in WDC 101).
It's indeed very probable, however, that Karp/Taliaferro were the first to
use it in their daily strips.
Frank
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First to name Duckburg
Message 33 -
2004-11-07 at 17:31:07
Le samedi 6 Novembre 2004 19:00, Rob Klein a ?crit?:
>I can't find any evidence that Duckburg was mentioned by Taliaferro before
>Barks.
In most strip, Donald's city is refered to as just "city" or "town", also
"homeville" (1938 September 3), "Centerville" (1939 March 17).
The only city name I found is "Hickville" that can be seen in the August 3,
1938 strip.
Frank:
>Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
>I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
>1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa".
I agree; the name was established in the late 40s. Before that, it was in the
"undecided" phase.
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>I can't find any evidence that Duckburg was mentioned by Taliaferro before
>Barks.
In most strip, Donald's city is refered to as just "city" or "town", also
"homeville" (1938 September 3), "Centerville" (1939 March 17).
The only city name I found is "Hickville" that can be seen in the August 3,
1938 strip.
Frank:
>Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
>I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
>1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa".
I agree; the name was established in the late 40s. Before that, it was in the
"undecided" phase.
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David Gerstein
First to name Duckburg
Message 34 -
2004-11-07 at 19:36:45
Hey Rob,
> I think I DO remember seeing that name [Duckburg] on a panel or two in
> the newspaper strips, but don't have time to look through all the
> reprinted newspaper strips in my old US Comics and Stories issues
For what it's worth, I've carefully read a complete run of WDC&S up to
the point where Duckburg is first mentioned in a Barks story (issue
49), and I've seen no newspaper strip containing the word Duckburg.
A few early strips do mention a home town, but it's never Duckburg.
> I can also picture in my mind viewing the word "Duckburg" or
> "Duckburgh" on the
> header of a newspaper Donald was reading in a very late 1930s or an
> early 1940s
> Donald Duck animated short
With all respect, Rob, I think you may be conflating two memories.
We've just mentioned the word "Quackville" appearing on a newspaper
Donald reads in an early 1940s Barks story ("Kite Weather", WDC&S 42).
And then there's the animated short HOCKEY CHAMP (1939), where Donald
has a trophy naming him hockey champion of a town (or a swamp!) called
"Duck Swamp".
> it may well have been Barks who used it in the short
And Barks did work on HOCKEY CHAMP.
David
> I think I DO remember seeing that name [Duckburg] on a panel or two in
> the newspaper strips, but don't have time to look through all the
> reprinted newspaper strips in my old US Comics and Stories issues
For what it's worth, I've carefully read a complete run of WDC&S up to
the point where Duckburg is first mentioned in a Barks story (issue
49), and I've seen no newspaper strip containing the word Duckburg.
A few early strips do mention a home town, but it's never Duckburg.
> I can also picture in my mind viewing the word "Duckburg" or
> "Duckburgh" on the
> header of a newspaper Donald was reading in a very late 1930s or an
> early 1940s
> Donald Duck animated short
With all respect, Rob, I think you may be conflating two memories.
We've just mentioned the word "Quackville" appearing on a newspaper
Donald reads in an early 1940s Barks story ("Kite Weather", WDC&S 42).
And then there's the animated short HOCKEY CHAMP (1939), where Donald
has a trophy naming him hockey champion of a town (or a swamp!) called
"Duck Swamp".
> it may well have been Barks who used it in the short
And Barks did work on HOCKEY CHAMP.
David
Le Richard
Duckburg
Message 35 -
2004-11-07 at 20:59:08
I will be eternally grateful to the person who will respond to the following
questions.
1) what is the first mention of Duckburg in a non-Barks comic?
2) Even if it came late in the strip, when was it first mentioned by
Taliaferro? I don't even know one single example of that.
3) What is the first use of "Duckburg" in non-US productions? I'm thinking of:
- "Paperopoli" in early Italian productions
- "Donaldville" (maybe I should know)
- Anderville (?) and so on...
- Brazil (what name is it?)
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questions.
1) what is the first mention of Duckburg in a non-Barks comic?
2) Even if it came late in the strip, when was it first mentioned by
Taliaferro? I don't even know one single example of that.
3) What is the first use of "Duckburg" in non-US productions? I'm thinking of:
- "Paperopoli" in early Italian productions
- "Donaldville" (maybe I should know)
- Anderville (?) and so on...
- Brazil (what name is it?)
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Lars Olav Karlsen
First to name Duckburg
Message 36 -
2004-11-07 at 21:32:56
> I think I DO remember seeing that name [Duckburg] on a panel or two in
> the newspaper strips, but don't have time to look through all the
> reprinted newspaper strips in my old US Comics and Stories issues
For what it's worth, I've carefully read a complete run of WDC&S
up to
the point where Duckburg is first mentioned in a Barks story (issue
49), and I've seen no newspaper strip containing the word Duckburg.
A few early strips do mention a home town, but it's never
Duckburg.
But don't you have all the newspapers strips as well? It has already
been documented several places that the first place you get Duckburg in
WDC&S is by Barks but that does not exclude the use of the name in other
places before.
I am now working my way thru the cartoons so I soon will have an answer
to that. But I don't believe that I will find anything there because he
always lives in Hollywood, CA as I remember.
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
> the newspaper strips, but don't have time to look through all the
> reprinted newspaper strips in my old US Comics and Stories issues
For what it's worth, I've carefully read a complete run of WDC&S
up to
the point where Duckburg is first mentioned in a Barks story (issue
49), and I've seen no newspaper strip containing the word Duckburg.
A few early strips do mention a home town, but it's never
Duckburg.
But don't you have all the newspapers strips as well? It has already
been documented several places that the first place you get Duckburg in
WDC&S is by Barks but that does not exclude the use of the name in other
places before.
I am now working my way thru the cartoons so I soon will have an answer
to that. But I don't believe that I will find anything there because he
always lives in Hollywood, CA as I remember.
Lars Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
Le Richard
Duckburg
Message 37 -
2004-11-08 at 00:11:35
Le dimanche 7 Novembre 2004 16:09, Frank Bubacz a ?crit?:
> I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
> 1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa". It seems it was
> around this time (1948/49) that Barks eventually settled on the name
> Duckburg (apart from that strange exception in WDC 101).
I found another one which is a bit earlier in WDC 86 (1947), "Fireman Donald".
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> I just found the name being mentioned in two Barks stories of the late
> 1940s: "The Golden Christmas Tree" and "Letter To Santa". It seems it was
> around this time (1948/49) that Barks eventually settled on the name
> Duckburg (apart from that strange exception in WDC 101).
I found another one which is a bit earlier in WDC 86 (1947), "Fireman Donald".
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Fabio Blanco
Duckburg
Message 38 -
2004-11-08 at 03:14:54
> - Brazil (what name is it?)
In Brazil is "Patopolis"; in the Spanish language countries was always
"Patolandia" (duck land). Patoburgo dont sound so good, but that would be my
personal election or keep the original name.
Anyway, all of you forget the "fact" of Donald having his house for sale in
the funny "Wispy Willie". Maybe he moved to Duckburg from Quackville...
hehehe :-P
Question: Can I use the name Quackville in a non Disney comics or that
detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with antropomorphic
characters...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
In Brazil is "Patopolis"; in the Spanish language countries was always
"Patolandia" (duck land). Patoburgo dont sound so good, but that would be my
personal election or keep the original name.
Anyway, all of you forget the "fact" of Donald having his house for sale in
the funny "Wispy Willie". Maybe he moved to Duckburg from Quackville...
hehehe :-P
Question: Can I use the name Quackville in a non Disney comics or that
detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with antropomorphic
characters...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
David Gerstein
Frank and Olaf (was Duckburg)
Message 39 -
2004-11-08 at 08:26:53
Hey again,
>>The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49
DOESN'T
>>make Duckburg the hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
>>Duckburg exists. :-)
>
>You're of course absolutely right and the discussion might become
really
>interesting now! Until anybody proves me wrong with hard evidence, I
>herewith claim that Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
Several other DCMLers mention some late 1940s stories that also refer
to Duckburg.
But I recall Barks actually mentioning Duckburg a second time as early
as 1945. I don't actually have the story nearby, but I believe it's WDC
61, where the nephews are detectives. While navigating the city,
somebody (the kids themselves?) hold up a map that specifically
mentions Duckburg, or so I believe.
I'd appreciate someone else doublechecking.
David
>>The interesting part is that if I remember it correctly, WDC 49
DOESN'T
>>make Duckburg the hometown of the ducks, does it? It only states that
>>Duckburg exists. :-)
>
>You're of course absolutely right and the discussion might become
really
>interesting now! Until anybody proves me wrong with hard evidence, I
>herewith claim that Donald didn't live in Duckburg until the 1950s...
Several other DCMLers mention some late 1940s stories that also refer
to Duckburg.
But I recall Barks actually mentioning Duckburg a second time as early
as 1945. I don't actually have the story nearby, but I believe it's WDC
61, where the nephews are detectives. While navigating the city,
somebody (the kids themselves?) hold up a map that specifically
mentions Duckburg, or so I believe.
I'd appreciate someone else doublechecking.
David
Fernando Ventura
Vakantie op Mars
Message 40 -
2004-11-08 at 19:23:23
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/H+20048
Dear friends!
Is it possible to find this story in english?
Fernando! :)
Dear friends!
Is it possible to find this story in english?
Fernando! :)
Roy
Frank and Olaf (was Duckburg)
Message 41 -
2004-11-08 at 21:44:33
David Gerstein wrote:
> But I recall Barks actually mentioning Duckburg a second time
> as early as 1945. I don't actually have the story nearby, but I
> believe it's WDC 61, where the nephews are detectives. While
> navigating the city, somebody (the kids themselves?) hold up a map
> that specifically mentions Duckburg, or so I believe.
> I'd appreciate someone else doublechecking.
>
David, your memory doesn't fail you. It's the first panel of page 5
which shows "Map of Duckburg".
Cheers
Roy
> But I recall Barks actually mentioning Duckburg a second time
> as early as 1945. I don't actually have the story nearby, but I
> believe it's WDC 61, where the nephews are detectives. While
> navigating the city, somebody (the kids themselves?) hold up a map
> that specifically mentions Duckburg, or so I believe.
> I'd appreciate someone else doublechecking.
>
David, your memory doesn't fail you. It's the first panel of page 5
which shows "Map of Duckburg".
Cheers
Roy
ZeldasTriforce
Vakantie op Mars
Message 42 -
2004-11-09 at 11:46:50
I have everything Gemstone's made since Disney comics were started again and
I don't recognize that story. Most Gyro stories in Gemstone books are 6 pages
or so. So if that story is in English, I don't think Gemstone is the one that
published it. Plus it looks like Egmont didn't publish that story until this
summer and since Gemstone gets almost all of its material from Egmont, it
wouldn't have had time to be published here.
Derek Smith
I don't recognize that story. Most Gyro stories in Gemstone books are 6 pages
or so. So if that story is in English, I don't think Gemstone is the one that
published it. Plus it looks like Egmont didn't publish that story until this
summer and since Gemstone gets almost all of its material from Egmont, it
wouldn't have had time to be published here.
Derek Smith
Fabio Blanco
Duckburg
Message 43 -
2004-11-10 at 05:39:10
> Question: Can I use the name Quackville in a non Disney comics or that
> detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with
antropomorphic
> characters...
>
> FABIO
>
> bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
No one answer for this question?
FABIO
> detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with
antropomorphic
> characters...
>
> FABIO
>
> bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
No one answer for this question?
FABIO
SRoweCanoe
Duckburg
Message 44 -
2004-11-10 at 14:14:28
In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:40:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
longtom at oeste.com.ar writes:
> Question: Can I use the name Quackville in a non Disney comics or that
> detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with
antropomorphic
> characters...
>
> FABIO
>No one answer for this question?
one word can not be copyrighted, but it could be trademarked....
Unless the word "Quackville" is trademarked for use in your home country,
then you probably would be safe enough. But if you have doubts, contact a local
copyright-tradmark attorney for specifics to your locale.
sr
longtom at oeste.com.ar writes:
> Question: Can I use the name Quackville in a non Disney comics or that
> detail is under copyright? I would like use in an comic with
antropomorphic
> characters...
>
> FABIO
>No one answer for this question?
one word can not be copyrighted, but it could be trademarked....
Unless the word "Quackville" is trademarked for use in your home country,
then you probably would be safe enough. But if you have doubts, contact a local
copyright-tradmark attorney for specifics to your locale.
sr
Lunnan & Hjort
Does Santa exist?
Message 45 -
2004-11-11 at 00:38:32
I seem to have been invited to join a "panel of experts"
in a week's time, organised by writers who really write
about science and scientists, in order to discuss, either
seriously or semi-seriously, whether Santa exists or not.
This is not yet clear, but the other panelists include
at least an astrophysicist and a social anthropologist
(who has recently published a book about the Norwegian
"julenisser", our cousins of the American Santa Claus).
Perhaps our task is to look at this odd cultural social
anthropological existential psychological mythological
hollywoodian cult phenomenon with scientists' glasses
and tools.
Anyway, when being asked about this I thought
about our friends the Duckburgians. Do they believe
in Santa? Does Mr Claus really exist, inside that universe?
Let's put up a small list of hypotheses. I need the help
of you DCMLers to reach answers. Be ready with your
"yes" or "no" or "that's not clear" or "I need to ask dad"
(and your pro et contra arguments).
(a) In Duckburg, at least Huey Louie Dewey (and their
generation, and presumably every Junior Woodchuck
worth his racoon cap's tail) firmly believe that Santa exist.
(b) At least HLD have full observational evidence that
Santa exists; see e.g. Barks' Christmas Parade #1 1949,
the one with the big and expensive fight between Donald
and Scrooge. -- Other stories?
(c) Not only HLD, but also Donald (and his generation)
has full faith in Santa's existence. -- Donald has personally
seen him, at least in the Xmas Parade 1949 story; are
there other trustworthy stories where Donald himself sees
or meets Santa?
(d) Hm, I'm reminded of the Firestone 1948 story.
But that story is apocryphical and cannot be trusted.
(e) A less controversial assumption would be that in
Duckburg, all children believe in Santa, but none of
the grownups really do. -- Are there stories supporting
such a view?
(f) Not even in Duckburg does Santa really exist. -- Again,
are there stories or Duckburg reports that would lend
credit to this view?
(g) Mickey Mouse has never cared about or needed
or believed in Santa. (Again, we cannot really believe
Firestone 1948 as a genuine story, can we?)
Nils Lid Hjort
in a week's time, organised by writers who really write
about science and scientists, in order to discuss, either
seriously or semi-seriously, whether Santa exists or not.
This is not yet clear, but the other panelists include
at least an astrophysicist and a social anthropologist
(who has recently published a book about the Norwegian
"julenisser", our cousins of the American Santa Claus).
Perhaps our task is to look at this odd cultural social
anthropological existential psychological mythological
hollywoodian cult phenomenon with scientists' glasses
and tools.
Anyway, when being asked about this I thought
about our friends the Duckburgians. Do they believe
in Santa? Does Mr Claus really exist, inside that universe?
Let's put up a small list of hypotheses. I need the help
of you DCMLers to reach answers. Be ready with your
"yes" or "no" or "that's not clear" or "I need to ask dad"
(and your pro et contra arguments).
(a) In Duckburg, at least Huey Louie Dewey (and their
generation, and presumably every Junior Woodchuck
worth his racoon cap's tail) firmly believe that Santa exist.
(b) At least HLD have full observational evidence that
Santa exists; see e.g. Barks' Christmas Parade #1 1949,
the one with the big and expensive fight between Donald
and Scrooge. -- Other stories?
(c) Not only HLD, but also Donald (and his generation)
has full faith in Santa's existence. -- Donald has personally
seen him, at least in the Xmas Parade 1949 story; are
there other trustworthy stories where Donald himself sees
or meets Santa?
(d) Hm, I'm reminded of the Firestone 1948 story.
But that story is apocryphical and cannot be trusted.
(e) A less controversial assumption would be that in
Duckburg, all children believe in Santa, but none of
the grownups really do. -- Are there stories supporting
such a view?
(f) Not even in Duckburg does Santa really exist. -- Again,
are there stories or Duckburg reports that would lend
credit to this view?
(g) Mickey Mouse has never cared about or needed
or believed in Santa. (Again, we cannot really believe
Firestone 1948 as a genuine story, can we?)
Nils Lid Hjort