Keskustelujen arkisto

This whole "Bomer Affair" is simply ridiculous and has gotten way out of
hand. My sympathies are with Kai and Rodney, since it seems to me that
every single one of Daniel's messages for the past two months or more has
been a thinly disguised attack on Don Rosa. I honestly can't understand
what there is to get so upset about on Daniel's part. If he doesn't care
for some parts of Don's view of the "Duck Universe"--that's fine, I don't
accept everything Don says as "gospel" either--for instance, his
statement that Mickey doesn't exist in the Duck World. But I don't have
any lasting grudge or "hate case" (as we'd call it here in the States)
against Don just because I disagree with him on that facet of his
"Universe". If Daniel doesn't like Don's stories and Don's use of the
Barks characters, why doesn't he just stop reading Don's stories?

I also don't really understand why Daniel seems so "afraid" of Don's
criticisms of him--criticisms in private e-mails. Doesn't he think Don
has a right to sort of dislike him after all the things Daniel's said
about Don's work and Don's friends? If I were in Daniel's place I
wouldn't find Rosa's "complaints" about him "very very scary." I can only
think that Daniel is a very mild-mannered man or else that he's trying to
make Don out to be some kind of bullying boogeyman--for what reason I
can't imagine. Daniel has become almost a mirror image of Sigvald
Grosfeld--Sigvald's every message was a potentially inflammatory defense
of some "anti-Rosa" statement that offended only Sigvald, and now
Daniel's every message has become a potentially inflammatory attack on
some "wrong-doing" of Rosa's that offends only Daniel.

I don't know all the background history on this feud that has been hinted
at here--stuff about the "Carl Barks Studio" and so forth. All I know is
that I love the stories of Carl Barks and the stories of Don Rosa, and I
don't see why there has to be an eternal war over which author is
"better." If I were Don I'd be ready to give up working in comics after
this; I sincerely hope he doesn't feel that way. I also hope that Kai
doesn't leave the list, and I hope peace can be restored all around.

In a message dated 3/14/2005 8:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dve at kabelfoon.nl writes:

>I have better things to do.

then why dont you do it? instead of harrassing a mailing list?
and stalking a comic book creator?

sr

Hello

I wonder if you could help me with a piece of information that I need for an
article I'm writing:

In the early issues of the Danish "Anders And & Co." it says that the text
has been translated and edited by a wellknown Danish professor. Likewise, a
teacher/writer of children's books is credited as translator/editor in the
Norwegian "Donald Duck & Co."

Could you tell me if it says in the early issues of "Kalle Anka & Co." that
they were approved/edited/translated/guaranteed by a Swedish
educationalist/writer/professor?

Kind regards
Niels

I live in Norway but I have gotten the impression that there is no such
approval on Swedish issues.

In Norway there were Mrs Helene Kloevstad, and the comics had this
"approval" on them:

"...The text is translated and edited by Mrs. Helene

Kloevstad, teacher at Oslo public schools."

The reason for this was because cartons was looked upon as bad language and
that children could damage their language by reading cartoons so if a
teacher had translated it then more people accepted it. Even when I was a
child in the 70/80 there were people that believed that cartoons were
damaging for the language.

Denmark had the same thing. I don't remember her name but she was really
well known in Denmark (so you should know her name) and when she died last
year there was some great articles about her. She had a great influence on
the Danish language.

Lars

_____

Fra: Niels Houlberg Hansen [mailto:NHH at ra.sa.dk]
Sendt: 15. mars 2005 10:27
Til: 'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'
Emne: A question for the Swedish members

Hello

I wonder if you could help me with a piece of information that I need for an
article I'm writing:

In the early issues of the Danish "Anders And & Co." it says that the text
has been translated and edited by a wellknown Danish professor. Likewise, a
teacher/writer of children's books is credited as translator/editor in the
Norwegian "Donald Duck & Co."

Could you tell me if it says in the early issues of "Kalle Anka & Co." that
they were approved/edited/translated/guaranteed by a Swedish
educationalist/writer/professor?

Kind regards
Niels

Niels Houlberg Hansen:

>In the early issues of the Danish "Anders And & Co." it says that the text
>has been translated and edited by a wellknown Danish professor. Likewise,
>a teacher/writer of children's books is credited as translator/editor in
>the Norwegian "Donald Duck & Co."
>
>Could you tell me if it says in the early issues of "Kalle Anka & Co."
>that they were approved/edited/translated/guaranteed by a Swedish
>educationalist/writer/professor?

Yes, indeed. It seems the Swedish editors were just as wary about being
regarded as "bad influence for children", as many comics were at this time,
so they made great efforts to find some reliable name as a translator. They
found Axel Norbeck, who did the job from 1948 to 1957. He was a
schoolteacher and "library consultant" in Gothenburg, who spent many years
of his professional career in the early-to-mid-20th century developing
school libraries all over Sweden (even helping out in the rest of
Scandinavia), as well as working tirelessly for better children's
literature - writing books and articles for educationalists, compiling and
translating story books, and so on.

The Kalle Anka job came late in life for Norbeck, close to and beyond his
retirement. But I'm sure he was one of the more prominent names of his time
regarding childrens' literature and education, and the editors were proud
to have him. The early Kalle Anka magazines usually contained an assurance,
as if to guarantee quality, that the drawings were made by "Walt Disney,
the world-famous artist" (!) and the text translated and adapted by "the
well-known Swedish educationalist and school-master, Axel Norbeck".
(Swedish: "Den k?nde svenske pedagogen, magister Axel Norbeck".)

When Norbeck retired, the editors advertised for a replacement. They chose
Per Anders Westrin, a student of psychology and education at Lund
University. His wife, Maibrit, was a language scholar, and they jointly
wrote the Kalle Anka dialogue for 24 years, along with their successful
academic careers. Maibrit didn't want her name credited, but the editors
always proudly published Per Anders' academic degree next to his name and
also, now and then, put in a special announcement that their texts were
being written by an established university lecturer.

Now, sadly, all that is deteriorating... we have no longer any such
academic brilliance behind the weekly translations, just a plain old
Donaldist... ;-)

There is an article (in Swedish) about Axel Norbeck in the 1953, Book 1,
collection of Kalle Anka & C:o facsimile reprints; and one about the
Westrins in 1957, Book 4.

Stefan Di?s
Stockholm / Malm?, Sweden

I take note Olivier; i'm around, i have been reading the messages for the last weeks, but like some others, i haven't time to write currently; i will try to write something in the next days...maybe... ; regards.

Hi all!

I just got through reading "The River of Time" from MMA2 and if more Mickey
stories were like this one, I think his popularity would be closer to Donald's.
From my Disney comics reading experience, it's pretty unique. The art style
really reminds me of something, but I can't think what. I can't say it's a
style I would want to see all the time, but it has an aura around it. Mickey seems
so... rundown? Sort of haggard looking? In a way, I suppose that fits with
the story as he's reliving his past from an unspecified point in the future. I
really like how the story ties in with Steamboat Willie. I wonder if there are
any other Mickey stories that make such use of his past.

Question about the story, so don't read if you haven't read it: Starting on
page 23, Panel 3 of the story, Pete says there's only one way to settle who's
in charge of the ship. So he rips off a button on Mickey's pants, throws it in
the air saying that if the button has 4 holes in it, he's the captain. The
button comes down and it does have four holes. My question is, what is the point?
As far as I know, almost all buttons have four holes in them for the thread
to go through, so his bet seems kind of stupid. Or is that the point of it? He
can't lose the bet and for some reason, Mickey accepts his premise of the bet
and allows Pete to be the captain? When I read that part, I felt like perhaps
I was losing something in the translation.

Speaking of translation, I noticed that Dwight Decker translated the story.
Did he do the translation for Gemstone or was this something he did years ago?
(If not for Gemstone, I assume for Egmont, going from Italian to English).

Also a question about dialogue credits in Gemstone comics. When someone is
created with the dialogue for the story, does they mean they adapted the
dialogue from a foreign language and/or made changes to make it more familiar to an
American audience? Or does it simply mean that the person wrote the dialogue
for the story based on the synposis/summary written by another person? (i.e. at
Egmont the person who creates a story isn't always the same person who writes
the dialogue you read in the final comic).

Anyway, this email is already getting too long, I just wanted to say that I'm
glad more Italian stories are showing up in Gemstone books (Scarpa, etc.) and
I hope it continues (especially if we also eventually get stories from the
Mickey X, Papernik, etc. Italian stories).

Derek Smith

Bishop, Deborah wrote:

> My 13 year old grandson loves art and wants to one day work in the animation
> field. When his junior high school class was asked to write reports for
> Black History week on someone they admired, he didn't want to write about
> the same Black heroes that most kids write about. He decided to write about
> someone who worked in animation; and he chose Floyd Norman.
>
> He said that Mr. Norman worked at Walt Disney years ago. He has books from
> the library but is looking for material that he could use with his report.
> e.g. picture of Mr. Norman, a picture of animated characters that he drew,
> anything that would help him bring his report to life and capture the
> essence of who Mr. Norman is and his accomplishments in the field of
> animation. Can you help guide us to resources that could help. His report
> is due next week so a reply back quickly would help.
>
> Thanks in advance.

You can contact Floyd directly at FLOYDSTER35 at yahoo.com. I'm sure he'd
get a kick out of your grandson's interest.

Best,