Keskustelujen arkisto

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Author

Topic: 200508

(153 messages)
Lars Jensen
Ole Damgaard wrote about CBSV:

> It also contains Barks' Barney Bear and Benny Burro stories, among
> other things.

There are *no* plans to include stories featuring Barney Bear, Benny
Burro, Andy Panda or any other non-Disney characters in CBSV.

Barney Bear will, however, be commented upon in CBSV.

Lars
Lars Jensen
John Chadwick wrote:

> HAUNTED MANSION 1
>
> Can we count this as a Disney comic?

Sure. Why not?

Lars
Lars Jensen
Mickey/Michele wrote:

> With the help of other Italian friends, I've drawn up a synopsis of a
> possible "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck", following the stories
> created by our authors in these decades.

Sounds *very* interesting. Could you post the text here or provide a
link to it?

Lars
Lars Jensen
Fernando Ventura wrote:

> As you "can" read on that site the next edition of brazilian "Mestres
> Disney" will have a new story by Renato Canini, the most peculiar
> Disney brazilian artist (and the most great, the most different, the
> most etc).
>
> It'll be published in August!
>
> Gess who wrote the story? ():-)

Hmm... That's a tricky one... :-) Congrats, Fernando.

I have to admit, though, that I don't know much about Canini, other than
the fact that he (she?) is a big name in Brazilian Disney comics. Any
chance you could enlighten me on this subject? And could you write a
little about the story you're doing with Canini? Who appears in it? How
many pages? Any scans available?

Lars
Ole Damgaard
Ole Damgaard wrote:

>......1500 pages of
> articles and Barks biography, written by Geoffrey Blum. It also contains
> Barks' Barney Bear and Benny Burro stories, among other things.

Correction: Geoffrey Blums material mentions the Barney Bear-stories, and
this, combined with the fact that one of the editors has been asking around
for danish names of some characters in the Barney Bear-series, made me
assume, that CBSV would include the non-Disney Barney/Benny-stuff. Now it
seems that I might have been wrong on that point. I'm checking up on that
right now. Or maybe someone on the list can tell us some facts? Lars, or
someone?

o.
Olaf.Solstrand
Dani?l wrote:
> There's a Barks 1950s ten-pager about Scrooge spending money to get rid
> of it (WDC 144), a plan that fails because Scrooge unconsciously spends
> it to his own factories and businesses, so that he gets almost the same
> big surplus of money at the end.
>
> Would this model work that way in real life, or did Barks use a huge
> artistic liberty to tell the story? If one would spend money at his/her
> own business, then a lot of money would be spend in the costs of the
> production, wouldn't it? Then how can Scrooge get almost the same money
> at the end?
>
> Can someone explain this?

Piece of cake!

1. Most of the money in page ten comes from Scrooge's shopping spree, but
probably not all of it. With all his businesses around the world, it would
be odd if he didn't recieve big money from many other parts of the world
at the same time.

2. "A huge pile of money bags" is not an accurate measure. We don't really
get a good look on exactly how much money it is, and the pile in page ten
could easily be much smaller than the pile in page one. Also, what if the
money on page one is mostly thousand dollar bills while the money on page
ten is mostly dimes and nickles?

3. Scrooge is the incarnation of greed. He uses cheap labour and cheap
material. So, although some money disappears in costs of production,
that's not a very big slice, as Scrooge's profit most likely is huge. And
don't forget that the business in question here is not milk or bread or
electricity, but expensive luxury articles. Many of these shops are
probably made especially for those rich enough to don't care about price
as long as they get what they want, so Scrooge could easily add a few
extra zeroes to the price tag without that many complaints.

In conclusion: Scrooge wouldn't get back all the money, but he would get
back most of it, and he would at the same time get a lot more money from
his other businesses. Put this in to the very inaccurate measure "a huge
pile of money bags", and I have no problems at all seeing how the piles
can be approximately the same size.

Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
Olaf.Solstrand
> First, though, I have a question:
>
> In John Lustig and Vicar's story "Family of Fore" (D 99285), we learn
> that Flintheart Glomgold is related to somebody named Bogey McDivot --
> and through him to Scrooge McDuck and the rest of the Duck Family.
>
> Apart from this story, though: have we ever heard of any of Flintheart's
> relatives?

Quoting from Gilles Maurice's excellent "Calisota Online" pages:

"In "The Top Treasure In Town", by Daniel Branca, Tom Anderson, and Werner
Wejp-Olsen, from 1981, first published in the Swedish "Kalle Anka & C:o"
#1981-41, the Ducks go back in time to old [L]ondon, thanks to Gyro's
science, and the name of Flintheart Glomgold's grandpa, Stoneheart
Glomgold, is mentionned."

http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktree.html

That's the only relative mentioned there (apart from Bogey McDivot), and I
can't remember any others myself either, but perhaps others do?

Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
Dave Rawson
dveijmeren at kabelfoon.nl wrote:

> If one would spend money at his/her
> own business, then a lot of money would be spend in the costs of the
> production, wouldn't it? Then how can Scrooge get almost the same money
> at the end?

Business exists, or more literally persists, because it not only creates
production, but profit as well. If it didn't create profit, it would
cease. (The case could be made that what breaks even could perpetuate,
but in practice this is a precarious equipoise since nearly any adverse
condition would spell doom.)

If, as is likely with one Scrooge's instinct or devising, a business is
inherently efficient (e.g. profitable), more input is leveraged to more
output.

Did this help?

Best,
Lars Jensen
Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> Quoting from Gilles Maurice's excellent "Calisota Online" pages [...]

Thanks. I tried to get onto that site earlier today, but it seemed to be
down.

So... Stoneheart it is. Does anybody else know of any relatives?

Lars
Fernando Ventura
Lars wrote:

"I have to admit, though, that I don't know much about Canini, other than
the fact that he (she?) is a big name in Brazilian Disney comics."

The next edition of Mestres Disney will publish, indeed, a new Joe Carioca
story totally by Renato Canini. He wrote, drew and inked it. I did the color
and can say it's one of the most surreal Disney story I've ever saw! It
remenbers me Bottaros's Disney work! It's 8 pages long and I think Editora
Abril will send a release about it soon, with some image! :-)

The story *I* wrote will be draw by myself and it'll appear (probably) on
the Z? Carioca comic book next year.

Fernando! ;-)
Mickey
Lars:

> Sounds *very* interesting. Could you post the text here or provide a link
to it?

Oh! I thought that attachments were admitted, here. So, nothing's arrived...
This is the synopsis (you could ask more details, if you're interested):

The Italian way to the life and Times of Scrooge McDuck

In the Yukon, from the gold-seekeers Scrooge sr. McDuck (called "Daddy
Scrooge") and "Oretta Paporetta", after the 1897 two twins were born: the
little Scrooge McDuck and his brother, the black sheep of the family, since
he's lavish as much his twin is a tightwad.
The first word pronounced by Scrooge is "dollar" and, when six months old,
he begins to show a silly attraction to the gold. In these days, a strong
competition with John Rockerducks starts.
Later, his sibling Papera ["female duck"] and Gedeon will born.
When 12 years old, Scrooge finds his first goldmine.
Nothing is known about the fate of his family: probably, the McDucks move
after the end of the gold rush in Canada.

The poor Scrooge comes back by boat in his native land. The captain pays him
with three coins: the first to touch his hand is the Number One Dime. Found
a job in the north, in the "Dark Forest", he meets an old witch that puts
him through a trial about generosity, successfully, and that suggests him to
save his first gain.
In this period, he meets Glittering Goldie.
When 18 years old, Scrooge receives from his dad a trunk, containing the
coins of their ancerstors. The magical aura showed later by them must have
confused his memories, since he remembers the deeds of his father and his
uncle [= Barks' stories set in XIX century] as he has lived them. He decides
to leave everything and take his chance.

In 1928 [date of the reprint, not original], Scrooge becomes an university
student and meets Brigitta McBrigde. To free himself from her grasp, he
gifts her an expensive hat of balaboo. Soon, he must have left university.

In the thirties, Scrooge tries his fortune in Duckburg, selling chestnuts,
and meets Molly McGold. They open parallel activities, until they earn their
first million the same day. They decide to build together their own Money
Bins.
Scrooge commissions the construction to the father of John Rockerduck.
Because of an unlucky investment, Molly goes bankrupt and decides to leave.
Scrooge asks her hand in marriage, to make her stay, but she refuses and
breakes his heart.

Still in America, in 1940 Scrooge has earned his first billion, thanks to a
goldmine found in Tucson, Arizona.
In 1948, he reaches the 300 billion dollars target. He buys his hat in Gold
Town, where his sister livea. After more than thirty years, Scrooge and
"Papera" acts like strangers. They begin to go round with each other.
In the night of a 16 September, the two siblings risk to run over a forsaken
duck pup and decide to take him with them. They baptize him Donald, and
rebaptize themselves as "Uncle Scrooge" and "Grandma Duck", since their age.
The child lives with Grandma Duck in Quack Town, near Duckburg, where
Scrooge has his Money Bin.

When Donald is adult, Scrooge makes inquiries about him and discovers that
they're really relatives, even if we don't know how. Meanwhile, Della sends
his children to his cousin Donald, so the very history of the ducks starts.

Finally, Gedeon McDuck moves to Duckburg and launches a newspaper.
Kriton Kyrimis
Dani?l:

> If one would spend money at his/her
> own business, then a lot of money would be spend in the costs of the
> production, wouldn't it? Then how can Scrooge get almost the same money
> at the end?

Wasn't the point of the story that Scrooge had been forced to spend the day's
profits, so that he would be able to close his safe? If so, it doesn't matter
how much money he got back from his businesses, as long as it was any amount:
he still wouldn't be able to close his safe. This also explains why he was
angry at Donald in the end of the story, as he lost money without achieving
anything. I suspect that, had all his money come back to him, as in the corn
crib story, Scrooge might have actually enjoyed the experience of shopping:
all the fun of shopping at fancy places, without actually having to pay anything!

Kriton.
-----
"It sets such a bad precedent when you start letting the world come to an end
every week or so. It seems to erode the confidence people have in their
governments for some reason."
-----
ZeldasTriforce
Hi all!

First of all, Bucky Bug in WDCS 659! When John Clark said that a Bucky Bug
story was oft-requested, I wondered for a second if he meant that many people
had asked for it, or if just one person (me) had asked for it many times! ;)
Thank you Gemstone! Hopefully BB will show up more often in WDCS. I think David
Gerstein once said that Bucky Bug stories were being made in Europe at one
point. I wonder if they were any good and worth one day printing over here?

MMA 4: I noticed that the issue was made with glossy paper similiar to what
US and WDCS are made of. Upon getting DDA 13 today, I found that it had the
same kind of paper that it and MMAs before 4 had used. Was the glossy paper thing
for MMA 4 a one time thing? (Maybe paper prices went down that month, so
glossy paper?) At any rate, MMA 4's paper quality was a nice surprise, especially
since it was for the same price as always. :)

Derek Smith
Lars Jensen
Mateusz Lis wrote:

> I was also very surprised to see the characters from "The Lady and the
> Tramp" (and a direct-to-video sequel of it) in the weekly. I must
> admit that I prefer the ducks and mice universes, but it's nice to see
> some variety in the comic book. Accordind to the credits, this certain
> story (D 2004-341) was written by Lars Jensen, so thank you Lars for
> (re)introducing characters from Disney animated features to the
> weekly.

You're welcome, but I honestly can't take credit for bringing back the
Scamp characters -- I was asked to do so by ECN.

And in case anybody is interested: we won't be using any element
originated in the "Lady and the Tramp II" movie. I'm going to stick with
the first movie, the comic books and the newspaper strip.

Søren Krarup Olesen wrote:

> As Don Markstein recently reintroduced Super Goof sucessfully, so did
> Lars Jensen this week with Scamp in "Just Like Pop" (D 2004-341).
>
> Although I had to get adjusted to the artwork, this is indeed a fine
> little story...very cute, almost too cute :-)
>
> I like this expansion of the universe, yet it isn't, it's more like
> bringing the universe of Disney comics back to normal--as it used to
> be in the old days. The art isn't by Hubbard or Gonzales of course but
> Daniel Pérez does a good and detailed job here.
>
> Thumbs up again, to both of you guys.

The story was *very* cute, yeah, but it was necessary for the purposes
of that particular story. Don't worry: future Scamp stories will be less
cute!

I too thought Daniel Perez did a good job. And yes, to me the "real"
Danish weekly is still the one from the early 1970s, when we had Ducks,
Mice, Scamp, Madam Mim, the Wolves, Little Hiawatha, Chip 'n' Dale,
Br'er Rabbit, the Aristocats etc. Great stuff!

And thanks for the positive words, both of you.

Lars
Olivier
Hi, everyone!

- Dani?l -

>>> In Rosa-adventure 'A Letter From From Home' (D 2003-081), Scrooge is
>>> mourning over never having received letters from his father, and about
>>> not knowing whether or not his father is proud of him. This raises
>>> questions when reading Lo$8 and Lo$9.
>>> In Lo$8 Scrooge gets letters from his mother and father.
>>> In Lo$9 Scrooge meets his farther in Scotland, and he tells Scrooge
>>> that he is proud of him, which is celebrated with a party.
>>> How does this match with the mourning and misunderstandings in 'A
>>> Letter From Home'?

That first letter (Chapter 8) was written in 1896; Scrooge saw his father in
1902 (Chapter 9), and the latter pased away when Scrooge and his siters
left.
Then his sisters parted with him in 1930, when he returns to Duckburg after
almost 30 years travelling around the world, because he has changed so much
in the meantime.
"The Old Castle's Other Secret; or, A Letter From Home" (I like that old
style "or, " kind of title) takes place in the early '50s.
Scrooge knew in 1896 and 1902 that his parents were proud of him at the
time, but he has no idea of knowing whether his father / mother would have
approved of his empire-building, or whether they truly understood what it
all meant to him, however proud of his achievements they might have said
they were.
This letter therefore comforts him, as it gives him the assurance that his
father did understand him.

I only got U$ 342 last month, and was thus only able to finally read the
story a few weeks ago, but unfortunately haven't had time to comment on it
yet. I'll seize this opportunity.

I loved it, it's a great story.
Not for the mystery, the adventure, the puzzle, the rooting in history,
however good they all are. These are definitely not what make the story
outstanding and interesting-- there are other such treasure hunts, and
according to one's taste, possibly better ones by Barks & Rosa.
I'm stating the obvious, but the true interest and point of the story, and
utlimately, the true treasure, for the reader as well as for Scrooge, is the
relationship between Matilda and Scrooge, and the letter.

Don-- Mr Rosa, you excel at character-writing and melodrama-- in a good
sense. I'm not of the overly sensitive kind that cries easily, but I'm not
a rock either, and can be truly moved by fiction. Two comic stories have
brought tears to my eyes; the end of Chapter 9, that splendid finale
featuring the ghosts of Scrooge's parents, and the beautiful conclusion of
this story.

The scene between Matlida and Scrooge, the sad Scrooge, the memories, and
the letter, are wonderful moments. i love the staging too-- Scrogoe's father
solving the clues, finding the treasure, writing this letter and leaving it
with the treasure for Scrooge to find, knowing he will certainly do.

One thing astounded me; I guess it was discussed when the story was first
published, then reprinted, but I skipped all these discussions to avoid
spoilers.
The inclusion in the treasure of the Grail and the Ark was already a
surprise.
But how could Donald do such a thing to the Grail really floored me. And how
could it pass (friendly) censorship? Have there been any complaints?
Of course, one might argue we can't be sure it *is* the Holy Grail.

This story is definitely one of the best, on the basis of its last few
pages; and it's the true conclusion, in a sense, of "The Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck"-- since the very true conclusion, that ditty of a last
adventure of Scrooge's, is something that can probably never be told-- nor
should be...

Olivier
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11