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Per Starbäck
In the Swedish "Ankism" list recently we discovered that the Swedish
buildings seen outside the window in a panel in US 19 might be
inspired by a photography from Stockholm in National Geographic,
February 1952. I thought that might be of general interest.

You can for some time see the photography at
<http://stp.lingfil.uu.se/~starback/tmp/sthm.jpg>.
--
Per Starb?ck
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Olaf.Solstrand
> The Italian way to the life and Times of Scrooge McDuck

This sounds very, very interesting! I hope you don't mind that I copy this
onwards to other discussion boards to get other people's points of view on
this?

One comment: Grandma Duck is Scrooge's OLDER sister, isn't she?
Don Rosa
> From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: A Letter from Home, Life of $crooge, Rich scouts
> One thing astounded me;
> The inclusion in the treasure of the Grail and the Ark was already a
> surprise.
> But how could Donald do such a thing to the Grail really
> floored me. And how
> could it pass (friendly) censorship? Have there been any complaints?

None that I've ever heard. But I purposely designed the story so as to leave
the decision to make that goblet be the Holy Grail up to each individual
national editor. They could very easily have just referred to it as a "very
precious bejeweled goblet". So it's not "censorship" if I design it to be
changed at will. Besides, it can never be censorship when I don't own my
work. It's "discretionary decisions".

And thanks for all your kind words about that story! (But I still thought it
was sorta on the lame side as regards humor and action -- the story *I* like
is the one I finally sent in last week, "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek".
But I expect many or most readers will think *that's* the one that's sorta
lame.) (And there will be *more* obvious opportunities for "discretionary
decisions" in a few scenes in that one. Like when the snow melts off the
cabin roof. Ooooh, baby! But I tells 'em like I sees 'em.)
H.W.Fluks
Per Starb?ck wrote on August 3:

> Today [this mailing list is] 13 years old. (A teenager!)

And now it will have to go through puberty... 8-)
Congratulations, Per!

> I can't find the archives of the second incarnation myself!

I must have all DCML mails in my own archive. But only in the form of plain text files, so that's probably not of use in a web archive.

--Harry.
Mickey
> This sounds very, very interesting!

Glad of this.

>I hope you don't mind that I copy this onwards to other discussion boards
to get other people's points of view on
> this?

I don't!

> One comment: Grandma Duck is Scrooge's OLDER sister, isn't she?

Well... who knows? Theorically yes.
The problem is that in the "origin story" of Scrooge there's no reference to
his siblings, neither his twin. Everyone is taken from other stories... and
in the "origin story", Scrooge seems to be the firstborn.
However, about these topics, Italian artists can be so contradictory that
my/our work is a distorsion...

Michele
Dveijmeren
Thanks Per for working on the archives!

Harry Fluks:
> I must have all DCML mails in my own archive.
> But only in the form of plain text files, so that's
> probably not of use in a web archive.

I have the DCML digests of May 1995 to August 2005.

--- Dani?l
Gary Leach
Derek:

> MMA 4: I noticed that the issue was made with glossy paper similiar
> to what US and WDCS are made of. Upon getting DDA 13 today, I found
> that it had the same kind of paper that it and MMAs before 4 had
> used. Was the glossy paper thing for MMA 4 a one time thing? (Maybe
> paper prices went down that month, so glossy paper?) At any rate,
> MMA 4's paper quality was a nice surprise, especially since it was
> for the same price as always. :)

Use of that paper was purely an error on the part of the printer.
It's regular use on the Take-Along titles would not be financially
practical.

Gary
Mads Jensen
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Lars Jensen wrote:

>> Sounds *very* interesting. Could you post the text here or provide a
>> link to it?

The text was posted in his original message, but obviously your
mailreader has some issues (try upgrading). I'll post it here again, in
case others are having the same problem as Lars:

&
The Italian way to the life and Times of Scrooge McDuck

In the Yukon, from the gold-seekeers Scrooge sr. McDuck (called "Daddy
Scrooge") and "Oretta Paporetta", after the 1897 two twins were born:
the little Scrooge McDuck and his brother, the black sheep of the
family, since he's lavish as much his twin is a tightwad.
The first word pronounced by Scrooge is "dollar" and, when six months
old, he begins to show a silly attraction to the gold. In these days, a
strong competition with John Rockerducks starts.
Later, his sibling Papera ["female duck"] and Gedeon will born.
When 12 years old, Scrooge finds his first goldmine.
Nothing is known about the fate of his family: probably, the McDucks
move after the end of the gold rush in Canada.

The poor Scrooge comes back by boat in his native land. The captain pays
him with three coins: the first to touch his hand is the Number One
Dime. Found a job in the north, in the "Dark Forest", he meets an old
witch that puts him through a trial about generosity, successfully, and
that suggests him to save his first gain.
In this period, he meets Glittering Goldie.
When 18 years old, Scrooge receives from his dad a trunk, containing the
coins of their ancerstors. The magical aura showed later by them must
have confused his memories, since he remembers the deeds of his father
and his uncle [= Barks' stories set in XIX century] as he has lived
them. He decides to leave everything and take his chance.

In 1928 [date of the reprint, not original], Scrooge becomes an
university student and meets Brigitta McBrigde. To free himself from her
grasp, he gifts her an expensive hat of balaboo. Soon, he must have left
university.

In the thirties, Scrooge tries his fortune in Duckburg, selling
chestnuts, and meets Molly McGold. They open parallel activities, until
they earn their first million the same day. They decide to build
together their own Money Bins.
Scrooge commissions the construction to the father of John Rockerduck.
Because of an unlucky investment, Molly goes bankrupt and decides to
leave. Scrooge asks her hand in marriage, to make her stay, but she
refuses and breakes his heart.

Still in America, in 1940 Scrooge has earned his first billion, thanks
to a goldmine found in Tucson, Arizona.
In 1948, he reaches the 300 billion dollars target. He buys his hat in
Gold Town, where his sister livea. After more than thirty years, Scrooge
and "Papera" acts like strangers. They begin to go round with each other.
In the night of a 16 September, the two siblings risk to run over a
forsaken duck pup and decide to take him with them. They baptize him
Donald, and rebaptize themselves as "Uncle Scrooge" and "Grandma Duck",
since their age. The child lives with Grandma Duck in Quack Town, near
Duckburg, where Scrooge has his Money Bin.

When Donald is adult, Scrooge makes inquiries about him and discovers
that they're really relatives, even if we don't know how. Meanwhile,
Della sends his children to his cousin Donald, so the very history of
the ducks starts.

Finally, Gedeon McDuck moves to Duckburg and launches a newspaper.
&

Best,
- --
Mads Jensen

Dansk Donaldist-Forening - http://ddfr.dk
INDUCKS - http://inducks.org
David Gerstein
Hey Derek,

> First of all, Bucky Bug in WDCS 659! When John Clark said that a Bucky Bug
> story was oft-requested, I wondered for a second if he meant that many
> people had asked for it, or if just one person (me) had asked for it many
> times!
>
Well, we had several requests from several people, but also many
from you!
In truth, the main reason we haven't been using Bucky is that until
recently, we didn't have the stats to many very good stories with him. Now,
though, we've acquired some really nice ones.
Mostly they will appear next year, but we did get this one onto the
schedule as quickly as we could, partly with you in mind! (-:

> David Gerstein once said that Bucky Bug stories were being made in Europe
> at one point. I wonder if they were any good and worth one day printing
> over here?
>
Some are certainly good. In fact, back in the old Gladstone II days,
John ran a few of them in WDC&S, with Don Markstein creating new English
language dialogue for them. And there's nothing to say we won't do something
like that again, eventually (though not for right now... we're already
scheduled up for awhile, as we tend to plan our issues about eight months in
advance of publication).

> MMA 4: I noticed that the issue was made with glossy paper similiar to
> what US and WDCS are made of. Upon getting DDA 13 today, I found that it
> had the same kind of paper that it and MMAs before 4 had used. Was the
> glossy paper thing for MMA 4 a one time thing?
>
Er, I'm afraid so.

Best, David
Olivier
- Don Rosa -

>>>>> And thanks for all your kind words about that story! (But I still
thought it
>>>>> was sorta on the lame side as regards humor and action

It was good, but the humor is indeed better in "Crown of the Crusader Kings"
for instance (I re-read it before launching into TOCOS/AFH)-- the Voodoo
dolls scene is one of the most hilarious I've read; the action surely is
better in other stories as well.
Overal good, but not among the very best; the characterization, however, is
one of the best such stories. The adventure really is a long setup to that
one final scene, and it sure pays off.

>>> -- the story *I* like is the one I finally sent in last week, "The
Prisoner of White Agony Creek".

I guess I'll be able to read it in 6-12 months...

>>>> But I expect many or most readers will think *that's* the one that's
sorta
>>>> lame.) (And there will be *more* obvious opportunities for
"discretionary
>>>> decisions" in a few scenes in that one. Like when the snow melts off
the
>>>> cabin roof. Ooooh, baby! But I tells 'em like I sees 'em.)

This simple description can already be interpreted several peculiar ways.
Wait and see...

Olivier
Søren Krarup Olesen
Dear all,

I received the following some days ago. Anybody who can help?

S?ren

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

Subject: Mr Num?rio - The Uncle Scrooge Accountant
Date: Monday 25 July 2005 16:47
From: asaramelli <asaramelli at ig.com.br>
To: webmaster at inducks.org

Dear All

I?m writting an article about Uncle Scrooge and his
accountants.
In all histories I read, Uncle scrooge call
his accountant always by "accountant", never by an human name,
like John or Peter. At the same time, I remember that the
Uncle Scrooge called in a history, I don?t remember what, his accountant by
the name " Sr. Num?rio " in portuguese.
Do you know anybody who is able to help me to find mr Num?rio ?

Thank you

Alexandre Saramelli

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Olivier
Hello!

DD 276 (November 1989) reprinted a Gutenberghus story:
D4006
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D++4006//

Though no French publication is listed in INDUCKS, I read this story years
and years ago in Le journal de Mickey, and still have it somewhere (though
probably bound together with other stories-- so that I can't possibly index
that LJdM issue, sorry). I liked this story and read it several times, so I
remember the set-up very clearly.

Donald decides to "undertake some wildnerness landscaping" in his gardne; he
digs a "pond", builds a "mountain", rents animas (lie & stuffed), disguises
and whatnots so that the nephews can camp in the wilderness at home.

In this Gladstone reprint, Donald does it because he's tired of the
"envelope labelling job" he's taken (and does at home): "I can't stay copped
u like this all summer! I need a break!" He thus decides to make thes
wilderness-in-a-backyard; the nephews (who were setting up a tent to train
for their Woodchuck Jamboree) would rather he stuck to his stamp-sticking
job.

In my French version (from memory), the papers strewn about Donald's table
at the beginning are really his bank statements, taxes, .... He can't afford
to take his nephews to camp in the woods (what they were training for), and
decides instead to bring the wilderness home.

Could anyone check the original dialogue of the story, please?
The French dialogue & Donald's motivation therein make a lot more sense than
the American reprint-- the dialogue also fits the art better.
It's really a small "problem", and I'm sure the version I've known for years
is the right one, but I'm curious. There might even be yet another version.

Olivier
ZeldasTriforce
Hi all!

I came across an audio interview Don Rosa gave at the Heroes Convention in
Charlotte, NC back in late June. I had never heard his voice before this, so it
was an interesting find. He basically talks about Carl Barks, his own art and
writing skills, and Disney comics popularity in Europe and lack thereof in
North America.

http://goldenagecomics.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=10287

And you can read a preview of the book Mickey and the Gang, which publishes
all the Good Housekeeping cartoon text pages of the 1930's and 40's, along with
alot of other great stuff (including stuff for Gottfredson/Taliaferro fans).
I won't feel so bad about not getting the $150 hardcover edition, as the
article acts like there's no difference between the softcover and hardcover
versions, except that the hardcover is limited to 1,000 copies. Hopefully there's a
little gold leaf action going on the cover to account for the extra $120. ;)

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=9378&si=121

Derek Smith
Rob Klein
Regarding Scrooge's in-house accountant: In a lot of Barks' stories Uncle Scrooge had
a worker in his offices called "Clerkly". I assume that he was the in-house accountant
for
McDuck Enterprises. In several stories (including a few one-pagers) there was an
accountant who came to see him. I assume this was McDuck Enterprises' outside
"consulting accounting firm", which prepared the firm's tax statements , quarterly and
annual reports. Unfortunately, I don't believe these accountants were ever given names
by Barks.

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Lars Jensen
Mickey wrote:

> The Italian way to the life and Times of Scrooge McDuck

I have to agree with everyone else: this is very interesting! Thank you
for posting it! Only one small "criticism", though: I wish you had
included references. A sentence like

> the little Scrooge McDuck and his brother, the black sheep of the
> family, since he's lavish as much his twin is a tightwad

is incredibly intriguing, but also frustrating because I don't know
which stories to read to find out more about the lavish brother.

And I have a question... You write:

> The first word pronounced by Scrooge is "dollar" and, when six months
> old, he begins to show a silly attraction to the gold. In these days,
> a strong competition with John Rockerducks starts.

According to the Italian tradition, how old is Rockerduck? In some
stories, I've seen it implied he is Donald's age (or only a bit older),
but that doesn't seem to fit with the above text.

Also, you write:

> In 1928 [date of the reprint, not original], Scrooge becomes an
> university student and meets Brigitta McBrigde. To free himself from
> her grasp, he gifts her an expensive hat of balaboo.

What's your source on this information? I like Brigitta MacBridge, but
have always wondered how she and Scrooge first met.

Lars
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