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Niels and Daniel

Very good your analysis about Duckburg "closed economy" !

In 1920s... and 1930s... in the State of S?o Paulo Brazil,
we have a very good example of closed economy (based in only a few rich mans
), with the count Francisco Matarazzo,
an italian inmigrant who turned a very rich man, really dominated the
Brazilian Market ( I say Brazilian, because the S?o Paulo?s state was and is
the strongest economy in Brazil ), and in many aspects, his life is very
near of our Uncle Scrooge Life.

Count Francisco Matarazzo was an incredible business man, who used to see in
1920s... and 1930s... businesses tactics only are being aplicated now, and,
in a world without financial electronics based services, he used the "
humanware" technics.

I?m going to write more about Francisco Matarazzo, many stories can inspire
ideas for new adventures for Mr Uncle Scrooge , or as We call in Brazil Sr.
Tio Patinhas !

Alexandre Saramelli

Dani?l wrote:
There's a Barks 1950s ten-pager about Scrooge spending money to get rid of
it (WDC 144), a plan that fails because Scrooge unconsciously spends it to
his own factories and businesses, so that he gets almost the same big
surplus of money at the end.
Would this model work that way in real life, or did Barks use a huge
artistic liberty to tell the story? If one would spend money at his/her own
business, then a lot of money would be spend in the costs of the production,
wouldn't it? Then how can Scrooge get almost the same money at the end?

If Scrooge owns the car factories and restaurants, he probably also owns the
businesses that supply them - and their suppliers etc. etc. And when
Scrooge's employees spend their (meagre) wages, they buy McDuck cars and eat
at McDuck restaurants.
In theory the story would work for a closed economy (i.e. few imports) where
the consumers have a very low savings rate (i.e. they spend all their money)
and where one producer (=Scrooge) dominates the market (i.e. supplies
consumers with most of the goods they demand). So maybe if the US economy
was like that
in the 1950s....

Kind regards
Niels

From: Halsten Aastebol <Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no>
>
>
> At 01:19 17.08.2005 -0300, Fabio Blanco wrote:
>
> > But is strange that they (Donald and the nephews) have a dog in
> > some stories and not in others.
> >
> > If Don Rosa use or will use, I hope he uses the later name of
> > Bolivar. I liked most, everybody can guess why.
>
> Later name Bolivar?
> You mean his original name Bolivar.
> If I'm not mistaken, Barks had to change the name from Bolivar to
> Bornworthy because the publisher was afraid the use of the name
> Bolivar on a dog could offend readers in Latin America.

The story I heard was that the name actually had offended some Latin Americans...

Does anyone know the truth?

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I have vivid memories from reading Egmont produced Donald Duck weeklies
in the 1970's, when Bolivar occasionally appeared. Back then, there was
a slew of supporting characters: Cousin Fethry, Ludwig Van Drake, Clara
Cluck, the nephews of Goofy and Gyro Gearlose. None of them I see
appearing in the Donald Duck weekly I've read since 2003, since my son
started to take an interest in Donald Duck - and immediately became an
avid fan of Don Rosa stories!

I presumed Bolivar was one of those characters fallen into disuse and
who Egmont nowadays prefer their artists not to use. I overlooked the
sentence: "when I went to work for Europe, I saw that Bolivar was still
being used as the Nephews' dog in new stories".

I was more intrigued by the sentence: "Bolivar - had disappeared from
the American stories before my sisters starting saving the comics". But
Bolivar did make a glorious show of himself in 1951! What happened then?

He apparently belonged to the Barks of the forties, the domestic
adventures of Donald and his naughty nephews. When the boys became
Junior Woodchucks and they all started traveling with Uncle Scrooge,
Barks found little use of the dog, it seems.

(Come to think of it, were there generally more animals in Barks'
stories in the forties? I remember something about Donald feeding a
lion, training a falcon, exasperating over a sitting schnauzer. Were
those stories "early Barks"?)

Knowing how ingeniously and imaginatively Mr Rosa has set about
exploring the unmentioned assumptions and unchartered backgrounds of the
Barksian Duck universe, I think it's a pity if Bolivar must be left
unexplored.

Perhaps he did get lost in a snowstorm?

Perhaps they gave him away, or traded him, to their pig-boy neighbour
Herbert?

Perhaps he lives, happily but lonely, in a home for retired Junior
Woodchucks pets?

Couldn't Mr Rosa make one more attempt to bring him back?

Johan

Oh, it was very sad that the editors didn't allow Rosa to use Bolivar like that.
That must have been Egmont.
But if Don wanted, he could (might) have sended the story with Bolivar
to another Publisher. Why not the french who he have send some stories
to?

>From: "Franzon, Johan F I:
>I presumed Bolivar was one of those characters fallen into disuse and
>who Egmont nowadays prefer their artists not to use. I overlooked the
>sentence: "when I went to work for Europe, I saw that Bolivar was still
>being used as the Nephews' dog in new stories".

There is one pretty recent story by Kari Korhonen and N??ez, where Bolivar
is almost leading character:
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/0/D+2003-135
It's pretty nice story.

Timo

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DCML Friends :

Situation is not good in brazilian subsidiary of McDuck Enterprises .
Unfortunately, Disney Comics in Brazil is in an advanced death penalty
process.

To understand the problem in Brazil is not difficult : Suppose Goofy
Athlete, and suppose he won a gold medal in last olympic games, in Greek . I
ask for all the group :
What happens if we, in an nonsense action, we don?t feed Goofy,
if we don?t offer for him a good coach, if we don?t give him water, he will
be able to win another gold medal in the next olympic games, in China ?
It?s what we see in Brazil: a nonsense action .

Under this situation, I decided to write for you , and ask for all Disney
artists : Your work actually is very good quality . Increase the quality to
be magnificent , and demand from the Disney and Editora Abril your work
needs to be published for brazilian readers .

If they say, is not possible because people no more buy Disney Comics, they
prefer japanese mangas, it?s expensive, we are a poor country, people no
more like classics disney characteres, it?s difficult, paper is expensive,
we haven?t media etc, etc, say for him : ITS NOT THE TRUE.
Only in the city of S?o Paulo, lives more than 2 millions school age people,
and all the Brazilian territory is a giant market, with at least 30 millions
of people to sale Disney Comics.
It?s only Knowhow to sale !

And, please, send Scrooge Mc Duck for Brazil sooner as possible.
I Know he are with lots of problems to resolve in Duckburg, but we need him
personally here, to encourage their brazilian staff .

Alexandre Saramelli
S?o Paulo - Brasil
Friend of Scrooge's accountant in brazilian subsidiary of Mc Duck
Enterprises
(Please, never say for him I wrote this letter, but I need to take an action
: he is in fear of lost his job )

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>
>> From: "Franzon, Johan F I"
>> Subject: Bolivar
>> What a pity Bolivar cannot be "officially" resurrected.
>
>How do you mean? He is used regularly (so I understand) in Duck stories. I
>was only explaining why *I* can't find a way to use him in my few stories
My
>works represent an almost negligible amount of all the Duck stories
>produced!
>
>----------
>Don Rosa wrote:
>>I wanted to start featuring him in my own stories.
>>But how would I suddenly begin using a dog as a household pet
>>which clearly had never existed before, either in my stories or in
>>the comics I had grown up with?
>
>It's my impression that Bolivar rarely (never) obeys Donald's commands.
>Maybe Donald got tired and sent him to a training camp for disobedient
dogs.
>And in 1959 Bolivar returned as the welltrained dog that played checkers
>with Gyro's little helper in "The Gab-Mufer".
>
>Kind regards
>Niels
>
>----------
>Lars Jensen:
>
>> Hmm... A hypothetical question: if I was going to
>> write a story
>> featuring Rockerduck, which age should I show him
>> at? Donald's age (or
>> slightly older)? Or Scrooge's age? Any opinions out
>> there? (And people
>> other than Mickey are welcome to reply, too.)
>
>In my opinion, Rockerduck should be aged in the middle
>between Scrooge and Donald: Scrooge usually addresses
>him as "novice", but Donald calls him "Mister", with a
>kind of respect treatment.
>
>Another visual detail to compare their ages: Scrooge
>has white sideburns; Rockerduck has black sideburns;
>Donald has no sideburns.
>
>Might Richard Attenborough be Scrooge and Nicolas Cage
>be Donald? Then let Martin Sheen be Rockerduck ;-)
>
>Santiago.
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>
>Niels and Daniel
>
>Very good your analysis about Duckburg "closed economy" !
>
>In 1920s... and 1930s... in the State of S?o Paulo Brazil,
>we have a very good example of closed economy (based in only a few rich
mans
>), with the count Francisco Matarazzo,
>an italian inmigrant who turned a very rich man, really dominated the
>Brazilian Market ( I say Brazilian, because the S?o Paulo?s state was and
is
>the strongest economy in Brazil ), and in many aspects, his life is very
>near of our Uncle Scrooge Life.
>
>Count Francisco Matarazzo was an incredible business man, who used to see
in
>1920s... and 1930s... businesses tactics only are being aplicated now, and,
>in a world without financial electronics based services, he used the "
>humanware" technics.
>
>I?m going to write more about Francisco Matarazzo, many stories can inspire
>ideas for new adventures for Mr Uncle Scrooge , or as We call in Brazil Sr.
>Tio Patinhas !
>
>Alexandre Saramelli
>
>Dani?l wrote:
>There's a Barks 1950s ten-pager about Scrooge spending money to get rid of
>it (WDC 144), a plan that fails because Scrooge unconsciously spends it to
>his own factories and businesses, so that he gets almost the same big
>surplus of money at the end.
>Would this model work that way in real life, or did Barks use a huge
>artistic liberty to tell the story? If one would spend money at his/her own
>business, then a lot of money would be spend in the costs of the
production,
>wouldn't it? Then how can Scrooge get almost the same money at the end?
>
>If Scrooge owns the car factories and restaurants, he probably also owns
the
>businesses that supply them - and their suppliers etc. etc. And when
>Scrooge's employees spend their (meagre) wages, they buy McDuck cars and
eat
>at McDuck restaurants.
>In theory the story would work for a closed economy (i.e. few imports)
where
>the consumers have a very low savings rate (i.e. they spend all their
money)
>and where one producer (=Scrooge) dominates the market (i.e. supplies
>consumers with most of the goods they demand). So maybe if the US economy
>was like that
>in the 1950s....
>
>Kind regards
>Niels
>
>----------
>
>Paolo :
>
>The Uncle Scrooge accountant
>
>Thanks for your help, as I saw , " Down for the Count " wasn?t
>published in Brazil, but I?m verifying with the members of the brazilian
>Disney List to more information, because the image I remember in my mind
>about Sr, Num?rio is very closer than I saw in
>"Dow for the Count"
>
>Thanks a lot !
>
>Alexandre Saramelli
>S?o Paulo - Brazil
>
>----------
>I received the following some days ago. Anybody who can help?
>Do you know anybody who is able to help me to find mr Num?rio ?
>
>Could it be Down for the Count (W US 61-03)?
>http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+US+++61-03
>
>- Paolo
>
>http://www.papersera.net
>
>----------
>
>----------
>From: Halsten Aastebol
>>
>>
>> At 01:19 17.08.2005 -0300, Fabio Blanco wrote:
>>
>> > But is strange that they (Donald and the nephews) have a dog in
>> > some stories and not in others.
>> >
>> > If Don Rosa use or will use, I hope he uses the later name of
>> > Bolivar. I liked most, everybody can guess why.
>>
>> Later name Bolivar?
>> You mean his original name Bolivar.
>> If I'm not mistaken, Barks had to change the name from Bolivar to
>> Bornworthy because the publisher was afraid the use of the name
>> Bolivar on a dog could offend readers in Latin America.
>
>The story I heard was that the name actually had offended some Latin
>Americans...
>
>Does anyone know the truth?
>
>--
>Shad Z. ^Q^
> http://shadz.homestead.com/files/
>HONK TO SEE PUPPIES
> Sign along US 287, Loveland CO
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Hi,
Are there others of them beyond this list?
What's the market value?

Always Another Rainbow
Dude for a day
Pick and Shovel Laborer
Sixty years Quacking
The Quintessential Scrooge
The Scrooge McDuck Midnight Egg
Lavender and old Lace
The Expert

Paolo Bontempi

On Aug 20, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Don Rosa wrote:

>> From: "Franzon, Johan F I" <franzon at kouvola.helsinki.fi>
>> Subject: Bolivar
>> I was more intrigued by the sentence: "Bolivar - had
>> disappeared from the American stories before my sisters
>> starting saving the comics". But Bolivar did make a glorious
>> show of himself in 1951! What happened then?
>>
>
> Then my sister missed buying an issue. No reason was given for her
> action. I
> would have complained, but at the time I was preoccupied in waiting
> to be
> born. I tried to mention the matter the first chance I had, but
> somehow my
> best efforts resulted in unintelligible gurgles and drools. (This
> is the
> point at which a better man than me would put a little smiley-face
> icon.)
>

Don, do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that if you
personally missed reading an issue as a child, then somehow that
story never happened? Going back and reading the story as an adult
doesn't count, or doesn't make it "real?"

If so, that's a real shame, because having Bolivar just show up and
tag along with HDL on one of $crooge's quests could be a lot of fun.
In fact the more I think about, the more I am convinced that I've
already read such a story by you? But I must certainly be imagining
things.

I certainly respect and admire your decision to create your own
guidelines and tell your stories as you choose to tell them - but in
this case, I also think that you're one of those little detail-
obsessed continuity freaks like Marvel and DC is afflicted with :-)

- Tor