Hi fellow DCMLers,
I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!" (W
US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to browse
INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember other
instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
Author
Topic: 200607
(106 messages)
Kai Saarto
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 91 -
2006-07-31 at 14:26:51
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Moderation of DCML
Message 92 -
2006-07-31 at 14:28:59
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:56:23 +0200
> Subject: Re: Rodney's scrubbed email about fora
<However, I wonder why there suddenly are so many replies to your post on
*that* site, when the topic is clearly related to *this* mailing list.>
Don't know. Ask them. I think it's because McDuck is well-visited, where
everyone can log in. No need to subscribe. Just put down a name and comment.
It's as easy as that.
<The posts there could just as well have been mails here(?!)>
I'm not so sure of that. Especially now I've posted an email that got
blocked by DCML last year. Together with the report why it was blocked.
Will I be allowed to discuss that here on DCML, as an example case of
moderation and liberty of speech?
http://discussion.mcduck.nl/viewtopic.php?id=35
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:08:26
> From: Rich <xephyr at cwnet.com>
<Wow! I've read some pretty heated items here in the past but this attack
on the Moderator is really uncalled for.>
Your email isn't scrubbed in the digest. (In the archive version it is
scrubbed.)
http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-July/024360.html
<As one of the original members of the DCML (since it's creation in 1992 in
a more abreviated and primitive format) I find the mean-spirited comment
really sad. The Moderator is doing an awesome job. He has a REAL LIFE too
and shouldn't be expected to do anything more than provide a friendly place
where people can chat about Disney comics and creators. Keeping people
from doing things that would disrupt that format is part of the role of a
moderator and a valuable asset.>
If there's moderation there should be rules what to expect from it. Is that
so difficult? In real life there are rules, too. And virtual life is part of
real life.
<The DCML was originally created when there was no formalized database of
Disney comics and it's formation has GREATLY enhance the ability of everyone
to contribute to the database, as a wonderful sidebar, it also opened the
door for creators and others who have production and publishing standing in
the Disney realm to also meet and discuss items of interest with the fans
directly. >
That's history now. As a long-time member you should know that DCML was a
very lively place, in contrast to recent years. One might expect that DCML
would have become very popular now many people internet, but the opposite
happens. People rather go other places. Why would that be?
<If I might add one thing? No one is forcing ANYONE to read or post to this
mailing list. We are ALL here of our own volition and because of a shared,
INTERNATIONAL interest. Thus, if you don't like it here, there is no one on
EARTH forcing you to remain.>
It's rather the opposite: Nowadays, DCML seems to force people to go away.
If DCML is so grand, then why is it so quiet here? Have you seen the other
fora? How lively they are and how much news they bring? There are authors
and editors contributing on those fora. Just compare the current DCML with
those sites. Is my criticism really so "uncalled for"? Well, at least it
wasn't blocked or srcubbed. So, it can't be that bad.
Positive thing about moderation is that now someone can be held responsible
for what appears on DCML.
Best,
Dani?l
> Subject: Re: Rodney's scrubbed email about fora
<However, I wonder why there suddenly are so many replies to your post on
*that* site, when the topic is clearly related to *this* mailing list.>
Don't know. Ask them. I think it's because McDuck is well-visited, where
everyone can log in. No need to subscribe. Just put down a name and comment.
It's as easy as that.
<The posts there could just as well have been mails here(?!)>
I'm not so sure of that. Especially now I've posted an email that got
blocked by DCML last year. Together with the report why it was blocked.
Will I be allowed to discuss that here on DCML, as an example case of
moderation and liberty of speech?
http://discussion.mcduck.nl/viewtopic.php?id=35
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:08:26
> From: Rich <xephyr at cwnet.com>
<Wow! I've read some pretty heated items here in the past but this attack
on the Moderator is really uncalled for.>
Your email isn't scrubbed in the digest. (In the archive version it is
scrubbed.)
http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-July/024360.html
<As one of the original members of the DCML (since it's creation in 1992 in
a more abreviated and primitive format) I find the mean-spirited comment
really sad. The Moderator is doing an awesome job. He has a REAL LIFE too
and shouldn't be expected to do anything more than provide a friendly place
where people can chat about Disney comics and creators. Keeping people
from doing things that would disrupt that format is part of the role of a
moderator and a valuable asset.>
If there's moderation there should be rules what to expect from it. Is that
so difficult? In real life there are rules, too. And virtual life is part of
real life.
<The DCML was originally created when there was no formalized database of
Disney comics and it's formation has GREATLY enhance the ability of everyone
to contribute to the database, as a wonderful sidebar, it also opened the
door for creators and others who have production and publishing standing in
the Disney realm to also meet and discuss items of interest with the fans
directly. >
That's history now. As a long-time member you should know that DCML was a
very lively place, in contrast to recent years. One might expect that DCML
would have become very popular now many people internet, but the opposite
happens. People rather go other places. Why would that be?
<If I might add one thing? No one is forcing ANYONE to read or post to this
mailing list. We are ALL here of our own volition and because of a shared,
INTERNATIONAL interest. Thus, if you don't like it here, there is no one on
EARTH forcing you to remain.>
It's rather the opposite: Nowadays, DCML seems to force people to go away.
If DCML is so grand, then why is it so quiet here? Have you seen the other
fora? How lively they are and how much news they bring? There are authors
and editors contributing on those fora. Just compare the current DCML with
those sites. Is my criticism really so "uncalled for"? Well, at least it
wasn't blocked or srcubbed. So, it can't be that bad.
Positive thing about moderation is that now someone can be held responsible
for what appears on DCML.
Best,
Dani?l
Kai Saarto
Moderation of DCML
Message 93 -
2006-07-31 at 14:43:58
I'm in much agreement with Rich. List has long tradition, we've been
lacking a bit in discussion for some time now, but its not necessarily a
bad thing. At some point there was too much discussion going on for a
_mailing-list_, forums are much more suitable for all that generic
chatter that casual/younger disney-fans have, since you can easily
select what you read.
I much prefer DCML since I can actually find the time to read all the
posts, and I know that they have been written with thought and by long
time fans and professionals. People also use their own names and you can
see their email-addresses. Anonymity behind aliases in forums tends to
bring worst out of people. I wish all the best to that forum, its
probably a really fun and useful place to many fans that do not like
archaic technology we have here. It's just not for everyone.
lacking a bit in discussion for some time now, but its not necessarily a
bad thing. At some point there was too much discussion going on for a
_mailing-list_, forums are much more suitable for all that generic
chatter that casual/younger disney-fans have, since you can easily
select what you read.
I much prefer DCML since I can actually find the time to read all the
posts, and I know that they have been written with thought and by long
time fans and professionals. People also use their own names and you can
see their email-addresses. Anonymity behind aliases in forums tends to
bring worst out of people. I wish all the best to that forum, its
probably a really fun and useful place to many fans that do not like
archaic technology we have here. It's just not for everyone.
Dan Shane
To DCML or not to DCML?
Message 94 -
2006-07-31 at 15:19:57
RICH WRITES:
Wow! I've read some pretty heated items here in the past but this attack on
the Moderator is really uncalled for. As one of the original members of the
DCML (since it's creation in 1992 in a more abreviated and primitive format)
I find the mean-spirited comment really sad. The Moderator is doing an
awesome job. He has a REAL LIFE too and shouldn't be expected to do
anything more than provide a friendly place where people can chat about
Disney comics and creators. Keeping people from
doing things that would disrupt that format is part of the role of a
moderator and a valuable asset.
<< snip >>
If I might add one thing? No one is forcing ANYONE to read or post to this
mailing list. We are ALL here of our own volition and because of a shared,
INTERNATIONAL interest. Thus, if you don't like it here, there is no one on
EARTH forcing you to remain.
Thanks,
Rich
xephyr at cwnet.com
AND I CONCUR:
Film director Jean-Luc Godard once said the way to criticize a movie is to
make another movie. I think the same rule can apply here. If the original
poster does not like the way DCML is being run he can start a new mailing
list or forum (which he has done) and see if everyone migrates there. No
bullying the moderator or whining to DMCL members is required. A simple
advertisement about the virtues of the competing forum should suffice.
We are grown-ups (well, most of us are) and can make up our own minds if we
prefer one over the other, or we could see the benefit of using both. (What
a concept!) I am very happy here at DCML and have been practically since
its inception. I have also visited the recently touted forum and see much I
like there. I also see some posts I don't happen to agree with, but that
has been true here and on any other Web forum or mailing list I have
frequented. Some message boards give evidence of a lot of owner/moderator
involvement, some less.
I used to be a SysOp of a computer BBS, and sometimes discussions got heated
and required some intervention. It was up to me to decide how much or how
little, though off-line input by members was always welcome. The final
decision was mine, though, and that is how it should be unless someone sets
up a messaging system as a democracy.
I have said in the past (and it remains true) that DCML is by far the
friendliest forum I have ever been involved with. Only occasionally have
hot topics surfaced, and overall the moderator has shown restraint until
common sense dictated the necessity to intervene. I would hold up DCML as a
beautiful example of how an online community can exist and even thrive with
good manners and respect for human feelings.
Yes, DCML is running on old technology, but the message is the thing. DCML
is like a comfortable old blanket that continues to keep me warm and happy,
even if the colors have faded a bit.
Dan the Contented
Wow! I've read some pretty heated items here in the past but this attack on
the Moderator is really uncalled for. As one of the original members of the
DCML (since it's creation in 1992 in a more abreviated and primitive format)
I find the mean-spirited comment really sad. The Moderator is doing an
awesome job. He has a REAL LIFE too and shouldn't be expected to do
anything more than provide a friendly place where people can chat about
Disney comics and creators. Keeping people from
doing things that would disrupt that format is part of the role of a
moderator and a valuable asset.
<< snip >>
If I might add one thing? No one is forcing ANYONE to read or post to this
mailing list. We are ALL here of our own volition and because of a shared,
INTERNATIONAL interest. Thus, if you don't like it here, there is no one on
EARTH forcing you to remain.
Thanks,
Rich
xephyr at cwnet.com
AND I CONCUR:
Film director Jean-Luc Godard once said the way to criticize a movie is to
make another movie. I think the same rule can apply here. If the original
poster does not like the way DCML is being run he can start a new mailing
list or forum (which he has done) and see if everyone migrates there. No
bullying the moderator or whining to DMCL members is required. A simple
advertisement about the virtues of the competing forum should suffice.
We are grown-ups (well, most of us are) and can make up our own minds if we
prefer one over the other, or we could see the benefit of using both. (What
a concept!) I am very happy here at DCML and have been practically since
its inception. I have also visited the recently touted forum and see much I
like there. I also see some posts I don't happen to agree with, but that
has been true here and on any other Web forum or mailing list I have
frequented. Some message boards give evidence of a lot of owner/moderator
involvement, some less.
I used to be a SysOp of a computer BBS, and sometimes discussions got heated
and required some intervention. It was up to me to decide how much or how
little, though off-line input by members was always welcome. The final
decision was mine, though, and that is how it should be unless someone sets
up a messaging system as a democracy.
I have said in the past (and it remains true) that DCML is by far the
friendliest forum I have ever been involved with. Only occasionally have
hot topics surfaced, and overall the moderator has shown restraint until
common sense dictated the necessity to intervene. I would hold up DCML as a
beautiful example of how an online community can exist and even thrive with
good manners and respect for human feelings.
Yes, DCML is running on old technology, but the message is the thing. DCML
is like a comfortable old blanket that continues to keep me warm and happy,
even if the colors have faded a bit.
Dan the Contented
Timo Ronkainen
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 95 -
2006-07-31 at 15:45:21
At least there is Return to Bear Mountain by Tom Anderson and Daniel Branca.
Kind of sequel to the famous Barks story. (No Finnish translation of that
yet. You can find it in Donald Duck Adventures #32-33.)
Vicar have drawn several Barks' side characters in his comics. Don't
remember actual story references right now.
I'm sure there are lots of these.
Timo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kai Saarto" <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
To: "dcml" <dcml at nafsk.se>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
> Hi fellow DCMLers,
>
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!" (W
> US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to browse
> INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember other
> instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> http://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Kind of sequel to the famous Barks story. (No Finnish translation of that
yet. You can find it in Donald Duck Adventures #32-33.)
Vicar have drawn several Barks' side characters in his comics. Don't
remember actual story references right now.
I'm sure there are lots of these.
Timo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kai Saarto" <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
To: "dcml" <dcml at nafsk.se>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
> Hi fellow DCMLers,
>
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!" (W
> US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to browse
> INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember other
> instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> http://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Olivier
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 96 -
2006-07-31 at 16:18:02
Hello!
- Kai Saarto -
>>>>> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
>>>>> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
>>>>> (W
>>>>> US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062).
Olaf Solstrand's included references to some of Gyro's inventions in
"Being Donald Duck", but I don't remember which.
( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+D+2001-013 )
Not quite what you asked, but here goes: when drawing "Duckmade Disaster"
from Barks's script, Daan Jippes included a caricature of him among the
egg-throwers.
( http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/us/US++287 )
Darn, I've been reading some Gladstone back issues I have been buying these
past two years, and have seen a few references, but seeing as I picked the
comics somewhat randomly, I don't remember in what stories I saw
references-- and pulling out those issues I remembering reading is a bit
troublesome right now.
I wll try and pay attention, now, and will let you know what I have found.
By the way, Barks himself rarely referred to older stories, or did he? He
would throw in a line about Magica's desire for his dime to introduce her to
readers that didn't know her, but not to actual events-- or am I forgetting
some obvious instances?
The one direct reference I remember is "The Status Seeker" (
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+US+++41-02//Status+See++_ ), in which
the Beagle Boys go straight to the candy-striped ruby, guessing that Scrooge
would try and trick them the same way he had in "All at Sea" (
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/au/GS+433#b ).
Olivier
- Kai Saarto -
>>>>> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
>>>>> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
>>>>> (W
>>>>> US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062).
Olaf Solstrand's included references to some of Gyro's inventions in
"Being Donald Duck", but I don't remember which.
( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+D+2001-013 )
Not quite what you asked, but here goes: when drawing "Duckmade Disaster"
from Barks's script, Daan Jippes included a caricature of him among the
egg-throwers.
( http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/us/US++287 )
Darn, I've been reading some Gladstone back issues I have been buying these
past two years, and have seen a few references, but seeing as I picked the
comics somewhat randomly, I don't remember in what stories I saw
references-- and pulling out those issues I remembering reading is a bit
troublesome right now.
I wll try and pay attention, now, and will let you know what I have found.
By the way, Barks himself rarely referred to older stories, or did he? He
would throw in a line about Magica's desire for his dime to introduce her to
readers that didn't know her, but not to actual events-- or am I forgetting
some obvious instances?
The one direct reference I remember is "The Status Seeker" (
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+US+++41-02//Status+See++_ ), in which
the Beagle Boys go straight to the candy-striped ruby, guessing that Scrooge
would try and trick them the same way he had in "All at Sea" (
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/au/GS+433#b ).
Olivier
Per Starbäck
DCML Digest, Vol 41, Issue 30
Message 97 -
2006-07-31 at 16:49:16
Replies to a couple of messages by Dani?l van Eijmeren:
>> an internal link pointer on the DCML at:
>> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/pointers.html
> The page contains dead links. For example:
It certainly does. As you can see at the bottom of the page it is last
updated in 2001, so like a big part of the web it is severely
outdated. Like many other old parts of the web it can sometimes be
partly useful anyway, so it's generally better to keep it than to
remove it completely. If nothing else, the state of affairs in 2001
can be rather interesting to see now. If you just want fresh
information you can certainly find it elsewhere. Old parts of the web
will fade away by being less and less googleable, so it's generally
not really a problem. I haven't checked, but I would assume that the
google ranking of the page you referred to is really low now.
(My plan when handing my Disney mailing lists over to NAFS(k) was to
hand over the accompanying web pages as well, but that hasn't happened
yet. If it ever will happen or not I don't know, or what might happen
after that in that case. At least as long as they still are with me
I don't plan on doing anything with them so you can see them as a
historical exhibit.)
> Rodney's message was "scrubbed". Is this scrubbing problem still
> going on at DCML?
I don't know. Today I updated NAFS(k)'s Mailman to the latest
version (2.1.8). Something about the "scrubbing" was mentioned in the
release notes, but I don't know if the problem you refer to has been
fixed with this. If you are interested in working on this, get in
contact with the Mailman people. I will certainly not do any
development of the list software myself, and I'm sure the same goes
for the rest of the NAFS(k) board as well, but if there is a bug in
Mailman you can help fix that will eventually be of benefit not only
for this list but for lots of other lists as well.
Dani?l has also written a lot about the moderation here and writes
several times of "The Moderator", meaning me. I introduced moderation
before I handed over the list to NAFS(k), because of an emergency
situation that you know about, so back then I was "The Moderator", but
right now we are actually two moderators from NAFS(k). If anything
really hard to judge should come up we will refer to the whole board,
but no moderation has been necessary for a long time so it doesn't
feel like a big issue. That the list should continue to be watched
like this was one of the requirements that NAFS(k) had on accepting
the list though. My personal take was that I had got enough and would
have preferred not to be involved at all anymore, partly because now
that I'm still here I guess the break hasn't been that noticeable, and
some people are still seeing it as my list. But I still thought the
continuation of the list was important enough that I preferred to be a
part of it over closing it down, and those seemed to be the only
options.
None of the above is really about Disney comics. I'm sorry about that.
I hope this will answer Dani?l's questions to his satisfaction so this
half-off-topic thread won't have to be continued.
--
Per Starb?ck
>> an internal link pointer on the DCML at:
>> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/pointers.html
> The page contains dead links. For example:
It certainly does. As you can see at the bottom of the page it is last
updated in 2001, so like a big part of the web it is severely
outdated. Like many other old parts of the web it can sometimes be
partly useful anyway, so it's generally better to keep it than to
remove it completely. If nothing else, the state of affairs in 2001
can be rather interesting to see now. If you just want fresh
information you can certainly find it elsewhere. Old parts of the web
will fade away by being less and less googleable, so it's generally
not really a problem. I haven't checked, but I would assume that the
google ranking of the page you referred to is really low now.
(My plan when handing my Disney mailing lists over to NAFS(k) was to
hand over the accompanying web pages as well, but that hasn't happened
yet. If it ever will happen or not I don't know, or what might happen
after that in that case. At least as long as they still are with me
I don't plan on doing anything with them so you can see them as a
historical exhibit.)
> Rodney's message was "scrubbed". Is this scrubbing problem still
> going on at DCML?
I don't know. Today I updated NAFS(k)'s Mailman to the latest
version (2.1.8). Something about the "scrubbing" was mentioned in the
release notes, but I don't know if the problem you refer to has been
fixed with this. If you are interested in working on this, get in
contact with the Mailman people. I will certainly not do any
development of the list software myself, and I'm sure the same goes
for the rest of the NAFS(k) board as well, but if there is a bug in
Mailman you can help fix that will eventually be of benefit not only
for this list but for lots of other lists as well.
Dani?l has also written a lot about the moderation here and writes
several times of "The Moderator", meaning me. I introduced moderation
before I handed over the list to NAFS(k), because of an emergency
situation that you know about, so back then I was "The Moderator", but
right now we are actually two moderators from NAFS(k). If anything
really hard to judge should come up we will refer to the whole board,
but no moderation has been necessary for a long time so it doesn't
feel like a big issue. That the list should continue to be watched
like this was one of the requirements that NAFS(k) had on accepting
the list though. My personal take was that I had got enough and would
have preferred not to be involved at all anymore, partly because now
that I'm still here I guess the break hasn't been that noticeable, and
some people are still seeing it as my list. But I still thought the
continuation of the list was important enough that I preferred to be a
part of it over closing it down, and those seemed to be the only
options.
None of the above is really about Disney comics. I'm sorry about that.
I hope this will answer Dani?l's questions to his satisfaction so this
half-off-topic thread won't have to be continued.
--
Per Starb?ck
Francesco Spreafico
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 98 -
2006-07-31 at 16:58:54
Kai Saarto wrote:
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
> (W US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to
> browse INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember
> other instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
Cavazzano's "Zio Paperone e l'uomo dei paperi" (I TL 1919-C) contains
many references to Barks stories... the story being a "fake" interview
to Barks itself.
Then we have Massimo De Vita's "Topolino e l'imperatore d'America" (I TD
18-2) that's a sequel to the Golden Helmet.
And Luciano Bottaro's "Paperino e la vera storia della cimice Tuff-Tuff
(I TD 18-1), that references Rip Van Winkle.
Francesco
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
> (W US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to
> browse INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember
> other instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
Cavazzano's "Zio Paperone e l'uomo dei paperi" (I TL 1919-C) contains
many references to Barks stories... the story being a "fake" interview
to Barks itself.
Then we have Massimo De Vita's "Topolino e l'imperatore d'America" (I TD
18-2) that's a sequel to the Golden Helmet.
And Luciano Bottaro's "Paperino e la vera storia della cimice Tuff-Tuff
(I TD 18-1), that references Rip Van Winkle.
Francesco
Fluks, H.W. (Harry)
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 99 -
2006-07-31 at 17:47:49
Kai:
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories
> I have tried to browse
> INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana.
There is a lot of information in Inducks, actually. But in this case it
takes some effort to get it out of it.
*WARNING*: the rest of this message is getting very technical! Skip over
it, if you like.
I tried to do a query on the Inducks database like this:
SELECT s2.storycode, s2.title
FROM inducks_storyreference sr, inducks_story s1, inducks_story s2,
inducks_storyjob sj, inducks_storyversion sv
WHERE sr.fromstorycode=s1.storycode
AND sr.tostorycode=s2.storycode
AND sj.storyversioncode=sv.storyversioncode
AND sv.storycode=s2.storycode
AND sj.personcode='CB'
But the Inducks server reported that it simply takes too much time to
perform this query...
One reason for this may be that we are currently working on improving
COA. This includes defining new Inducks tables.
The new Inducks tables have not been optimised for speed yet.
I tried a simpler one, knowing that Barks stories usually have a
"creation date" while others don't:
SELECT sr.fromstorycode, sr.tostorycode
FROM inducks_storyreference sr, inducks_story sto, inducks_story sfrom,
inducks_storyversion sv
WHERE sr.tostorycode=sto.storycode
AND sr.fromstorycode=sfrom.storycode
AND sv.storyversioncode=sfrom.originalstoryversioncode
AND sto.creationdate<>''
AND sv.kind ='n'
This results in a bunch of story codes, including the Rosa ones, the
Jippes redrawings of Barks scripts, Brazilian re-makes with Joe Carioca,
Japanese-Manga-remakes, and even Barks re-using his own plots.
I filtered some of these out, and here is the rest. The ^ is used as a
separator.
fromstorycode^tostorycode^
AR 145^W OS 62-02^
AR 145^W OS 456-02^
AR 145^W US 21-02^
AR 145^W US 59-01^
B 75132^W US 48-01^
B 780409^W DD 26-02^
B 790164^W US 44-04^
B 800002^W OS 62-03^
B 800047^W US 22-04^
B 800079^W US 60-01^
B 810098^W US 32-02^
B 820155^W JW 16-01^
B 830019^W US 20-03^
B 830179^W WDC 199-01^
B 850108^W US 65-01^
B 870024^W US 60-01^
B 870069^W US 66-02^
B 910160^W US 39-02^
B 930085^W CP 9-01^
B MK 298-D^W US 32-02^
B RJC 029^W WDC 259-01^
B RJC 030^W WDC 263-01^
B RJC 034^W WDC 256-01^
B RJC 036^W WDC 248-01^
B RJC 039^W WDC 267-02^
B RJC 053^W WDC 273-01^
B RJC 055^W WDC 274-01^
D 3829^W US 65-01^
D 4175^W WDC 306-00^
D 4813^W WDC 146-01^
D 5866^W WDC 206-02^
D 6006^W OS 422-02^
D 6274^W WDC 71-02^
D 7250^W WDC 99-02^
D 7274^W WDC 92-02^
D 7710^W OS 386-02^
D 8584^W LGBD 84-03^
D 2000-079^W OS 223-02^
D 2000-188^W US 12-02^
D 2001-143^W OS 367-02^
D 2002-042^W US 28-01^
D 2003-081^W US 10-02^
D 2004-012^W OS 223-02^
D 88139^W WDC 93-02^
D 88176^W OS 159-01^
D 90161^W CGW Y 1-01^
D 90172^W OS 1184-10^
D 90314^W US 6-02^
D 90314^W US 14-02^
D 91076^W WDC 107-02^
D 91192^W US 18-02^
D 91362^W OS 263-05^
D 91411^W US 11-01^
D 91411^W USGD 1-02^
D 92008^W US 69-02^
D 92083^W US 10-03^
D 93554^W WDC 141-02^
D 93577^W OS 199-02^
D 94066^W US 13-02^
D 94144^W OS 408-02^
D 94202^W US 33-02^
D 96066^W OS 422-02^
D 96089^W US 26-04^
D 96203^W DISBP 1-03^
D 96264^W OS 62-02^
D 96264^W OS 147-02^
D 96325A^D 96325^
D 98062^W US 13-02^
D 98346^W DD 54-01^
D 98346^W OS 263-02^
D 98346^W US 39-02^
D 99072^W US 34-04^
D D 2001-013^W WDC 249-01^
D D 2005-035^W OS 386-02^
D D 2005-035^W OS 456-02^
D D 2005-035^W US 27-01^
D D 2005-035^W US 56-02^
D D 2005-035^W US 59-01^
D ZM70-09-06^W US 39-01^
F BHNS-71-1^W CID 1-02^
F JM 96332^W OS 189-03^
F JM 97999^W WDC 99-02^
F JM 97999^W WDC 142-02^
F JM 97999^W WDC 188-01^
F JM 97999^W WDC 198-02^
F JM 98998^W WDC 78-02^
F PM 95307A^W US 18-05^
H 24193^W WDC 64-02^
H 74mont1^W OS 422-02^
H 94138^W WDC 48-02^
S 63053^W WDC 159-01^
S 70130^W US 23-02^
S 70159^W WDC 210-02^
S 70192^W US 11-02^
S 76178^W WDC 260-02^
S 84155^W WDC 269-02^
W CGW W 1-01^W OS 9-02^
W DD 54-01^W MOC 20-01^
W DD 76-05^W WDC 178-02^
W DD 79-02^W WDC 155-01^
W DG 38-06^W WDC 161-01^
W MM 74-01^W OS 422-02^
W MM 77-01^W OS 9-02^
W MM 87-05^W WDC 204-01^
W OS 1109-02^W WDC 141-02^
W OS 1140-02^W OS 263-02^
W OS 1151-05^W OS 422-02^
W PPTC 1-07^W OS 9-02^
W US 20-01^W OS 263-02^
W US 30-04^W WDC 98-02^
W US 34-04^W OS 29-02^
W US 38-05^W WDC 154-01^
W US 41-02^W US 31-01^
W US 61-02^W US 19-02^
W US 64-01^W US 5-04^
W USM 1-11^W US 28-05^
W VP 1-09^W OS 238-04^
W WDC 184-01^W WDC 43-02^
W WDC 185-02^W WDC 173-02^
W WDC 186-02^W WDC 45-02^
W WDC 190-01^W WDC 54-02^
W WDC 197-02^W WDC 94-02^
W WDC 212-02^W WDC 93-02^
W WDC 215-01^W WDC 105-02^
W WDC 217-01^W WDC 128-02^
W WDC 219-01^W WDC 59-01^
W WDC 224-01^W WDC 117-02^
W WDC 228-01^W WDC 58-02^
W WDC 229-01^W WDC 34-01^
W WDC 231-01^W WDC 89-02^
W WDC 235-02^W WDC 81-02^
W WDC 236-01^W WDC 77-02^
W WDC 243-01^W WDC 143-01^
W WDC 248-01^CS WDC 64^
WM WDC 249^W US 10-02^
XU GEM 105^W OS 291-02^
ZM 54-02-28^W WDC 56-02^
ZM 55-02-27^W OS 147-01^
Have fun! 8-)
--Harry.
This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories
> I have tried to browse
> INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana.
There is a lot of information in Inducks, actually. But in this case it
takes some effort to get it out of it.
*WARNING*: the rest of this message is getting very technical! Skip over
it, if you like.
I tried to do a query on the Inducks database like this:
SELECT s2.storycode, s2.title
FROM inducks_storyreference sr, inducks_story s1, inducks_story s2,
inducks_storyjob sj, inducks_storyversion sv
WHERE sr.fromstorycode=s1.storycode
AND sr.tostorycode=s2.storycode
AND sj.storyversioncode=sv.storyversioncode
AND sv.storycode=s2.storycode
AND sj.personcode='CB'
But the Inducks server reported that it simply takes too much time to
perform this query...
One reason for this may be that we are currently working on improving
COA. This includes defining new Inducks tables.
The new Inducks tables have not been optimised for speed yet.
I tried a simpler one, knowing that Barks stories usually have a
"creation date" while others don't:
SELECT sr.fromstorycode, sr.tostorycode
FROM inducks_storyreference sr, inducks_story sto, inducks_story sfrom,
inducks_storyversion sv
WHERE sr.tostorycode=sto.storycode
AND sr.fromstorycode=sfrom.storycode
AND sv.storyversioncode=sfrom.originalstoryversioncode
AND sto.creationdate<>''
AND sv.kind ='n'
This results in a bunch of story codes, including the Rosa ones, the
Jippes redrawings of Barks scripts, Brazilian re-makes with Joe Carioca,
Japanese-Manga-remakes, and even Barks re-using his own plots.
I filtered some of these out, and here is the rest. The ^ is used as a
separator.
fromstorycode^tostorycode^
AR 145^W OS 62-02^
AR 145^W OS 456-02^
AR 145^W US 21-02^
AR 145^W US 59-01^
B 75132^W US 48-01^
B 780409^W DD 26-02^
B 790164^W US 44-04^
B 800002^W OS 62-03^
B 800047^W US 22-04^
B 800079^W US 60-01^
B 810098^W US 32-02^
B 820155^W JW 16-01^
B 830019^W US 20-03^
B 830179^W WDC 199-01^
B 850108^W US 65-01^
B 870024^W US 60-01^
B 870069^W US 66-02^
B 910160^W US 39-02^
B 930085^W CP 9-01^
B MK 298-D^W US 32-02^
B RJC 029^W WDC 259-01^
B RJC 030^W WDC 263-01^
B RJC 034^W WDC 256-01^
B RJC 036^W WDC 248-01^
B RJC 039^W WDC 267-02^
B RJC 053^W WDC 273-01^
B RJC 055^W WDC 274-01^
D 3829^W US 65-01^
D 4175^W WDC 306-00^
D 4813^W WDC 146-01^
D 5866^W WDC 206-02^
D 6006^W OS 422-02^
D 6274^W WDC 71-02^
D 7250^W WDC 99-02^
D 7274^W WDC 92-02^
D 7710^W OS 386-02^
D 8584^W LGBD 84-03^
D 2000-079^W OS 223-02^
D 2000-188^W US 12-02^
D 2001-143^W OS 367-02^
D 2002-042^W US 28-01^
D 2003-081^W US 10-02^
D 2004-012^W OS 223-02^
D 88139^W WDC 93-02^
D 88176^W OS 159-01^
D 90161^W CGW Y 1-01^
D 90172^W OS 1184-10^
D 90314^W US 6-02^
D 90314^W US 14-02^
D 91076^W WDC 107-02^
D 91192^W US 18-02^
D 91362^W OS 263-05^
D 91411^W US 11-01^
D 91411^W USGD 1-02^
D 92008^W US 69-02^
D 92083^W US 10-03^
D 93554^W WDC 141-02^
D 93577^W OS 199-02^
D 94066^W US 13-02^
D 94144^W OS 408-02^
D 94202^W US 33-02^
D 96066^W OS 422-02^
D 96089^W US 26-04^
D 96203^W DISBP 1-03^
D 96264^W OS 62-02^
D 96264^W OS 147-02^
D 96325A^D 96325^
D 98062^W US 13-02^
D 98346^W DD 54-01^
D 98346^W OS 263-02^
D 98346^W US 39-02^
D 99072^W US 34-04^
D D 2001-013^W WDC 249-01^
D D 2005-035^W OS 386-02^
D D 2005-035^W OS 456-02^
D D 2005-035^W US 27-01^
D D 2005-035^W US 56-02^
D D 2005-035^W US 59-01^
D ZM70-09-06^W US 39-01^
F BHNS-71-1^W CID 1-02^
F JM 96332^W OS 189-03^
F JM 97999^W WDC 99-02^
F JM 97999^W WDC 142-02^
F JM 97999^W WDC 188-01^
F JM 97999^W WDC 198-02^
F JM 98998^W WDC 78-02^
F PM 95307A^W US 18-05^
H 24193^W WDC 64-02^
H 74mont1^W OS 422-02^
H 94138^W WDC 48-02^
S 63053^W WDC 159-01^
S 70130^W US 23-02^
S 70159^W WDC 210-02^
S 70192^W US 11-02^
S 76178^W WDC 260-02^
S 84155^W WDC 269-02^
W CGW W 1-01^W OS 9-02^
W DD 54-01^W MOC 20-01^
W DD 76-05^W WDC 178-02^
W DD 79-02^W WDC 155-01^
W DG 38-06^W WDC 161-01^
W MM 74-01^W OS 422-02^
W MM 77-01^W OS 9-02^
W MM 87-05^W WDC 204-01^
W OS 1109-02^W WDC 141-02^
W OS 1140-02^W OS 263-02^
W OS 1151-05^W OS 422-02^
W PPTC 1-07^W OS 9-02^
W US 20-01^W OS 263-02^
W US 30-04^W WDC 98-02^
W US 34-04^W OS 29-02^
W US 38-05^W WDC 154-01^
W US 41-02^W US 31-01^
W US 61-02^W US 19-02^
W US 64-01^W US 5-04^
W USM 1-11^W US 28-05^
W VP 1-09^W OS 238-04^
W WDC 184-01^W WDC 43-02^
W WDC 185-02^W WDC 173-02^
W WDC 186-02^W WDC 45-02^
W WDC 190-01^W WDC 54-02^
W WDC 197-02^W WDC 94-02^
W WDC 212-02^W WDC 93-02^
W WDC 215-01^W WDC 105-02^
W WDC 217-01^W WDC 128-02^
W WDC 219-01^W WDC 59-01^
W WDC 224-01^W WDC 117-02^
W WDC 228-01^W WDC 58-02^
W WDC 229-01^W WDC 34-01^
W WDC 231-01^W WDC 89-02^
W WDC 235-02^W WDC 81-02^
W WDC 236-01^W WDC 77-02^
W WDC 243-01^W WDC 143-01^
W WDC 248-01^CS WDC 64^
WM WDC 249^W US 10-02^
XU GEM 105^W OS 291-02^
ZM 54-02-28^W WDC 56-02^
ZM 55-02-27^W OS 147-01^
Have fun! 8-)
--Harry.
This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html
Donald D. Markstein
DCML Digest, Vol 41, Issue 32
Message 100 -
2006-07-31 at 18:29:05
> I am looking for direct references to Barks-stories by other writers
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
> (W US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to
> browse INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember
> other instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
>
I wrote a story several years ago, in which the Skeptics Club (from
"Micro-Ducks from Outer Space") offered their standard billion-dollar
reward to anyone who could prove the existence of consistent, reliable
luck, and Scrooge showed them Gladstone Gander. (One of these days, I've
got to have them offer a reward for witches, so I can figure out how
Scrooge maneuvers Magica deSpell into their meeting.)
By the way, I've noticed over the years that whenever there's a heated
controversy on this otherwise extremely friendly list, leading to
moderators "scrubbing" posts lest things get out of hand, there's always
one particular person in the thick of it. Need I mention who? (Most of
these controversies at least touch on the topic of changing the nature
of the list itself, or supposeded improprieties on the part of the
moderators, usually stemming from allegations on the part of this
person, but that's neither here nor there.)
Quack, Don
> besides Rosa. I know that Van Horn referred to "Land Beneath Ground!"
> (W US 13-02) in his "Creature Comforts" (D 98062). I have tried to
> browse INDUCKS for more, but so far no banana. If anyone can remember
> other instances of this happening, this would be greatly appreciated.
>
I wrote a story several years ago, in which the Skeptics Club (from
"Micro-Ducks from Outer Space") offered their standard billion-dollar
reward to anyone who could prove the existence of consistent, reliable
luck, and Scrooge showed them Gladstone Gander. (One of these days, I've
got to have them offer a reward for witches, so I can figure out how
Scrooge maneuvers Magica deSpell into their meeting.)
By the way, I've noticed over the years that whenever there's a heated
controversy on this otherwise extremely friendly list, leading to
moderators "scrubbing" posts lest things get out of hand, there's always
one particular person in the thick of it. Need I mention who? (Most of
these controversies at least touch on the topic of changing the nature
of the list itself, or supposeded improprieties on the part of the
moderators, usually stemming from allegations on the part of this
person, but that's neither here nor there.)
Quack, Don
Stefan Persson
[Moderation of DCML]
Message 101 -
2006-07-31 at 18:48:07
[From nobody Mon Jul 31 19:25:48 2006
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:36:44 +0200
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> http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-July/024360.html
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text digests and not in MIME digests.
Stefan
]
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]
Robert Hutchings
Barks' self-references
Message 102 -
2006-07-31 at 19:36:46
Regarding the question of Barks referencing his own
earlier stories in subsequent stories, he made a very
concerted effort not to do so. He was concerned that
he might lose readers (and readership) if he made
these references. Don Rosa coming many years later has
departed substantially from this philosophy. Barks
also reintroduced the characters each time they
appeared in a story; there is a panel or two in almost
all his stories that establishes Uncle Scrooge as the
wealthiest duck in the world, Donald as a carefree
guy, the Beagle Boys as terrible thugs, etc. There is
an excellent dialogue on this in Donald Ault's
collection of Barks interviews, titled Conversations
with Carl Barks. In that interview, he actually
mentions the Status Seeker story as one of the only
examples of referencing an earlier story. Ault's book,
by the way, is well worth reading.
Regards,
Robert
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earlier stories in subsequent stories, he made a very
concerted effort not to do so. He was concerned that
he might lose readers (and readership) if he made
these references. Don Rosa coming many years later has
departed substantially from this philosophy. Barks
also reintroduced the characters each time they
appeared in a story; there is a panel or two in almost
all his stories that establishes Uncle Scrooge as the
wealthiest duck in the world, Donald as a carefree
guy, the Beagle Boys as terrible thugs, etc. There is
an excellent dialogue on this in Donald Ault's
collection of Barks interviews, titled Conversations
with Carl Barks. In that interview, he actually
mentions the Status Seeker story as one of the only
examples of referencing an earlier story. Ault's book,
by the way, is well worth reading.
Regards,
Robert
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Arie Fachrisal
Huey in Ducktales
Message 103 -
2006-07-31 at 19:55:39
Hi, in Barks' Ducktales #1, I noticed that many panels and important
actions/sayings were made by Huey more than the other two. I didn't notice
it in other publications, but in that particular issue, Huey (the one with
red hat) really stood out on his own. Why? In many panels with only 1 nephew
shown, most of the times it's Huey. In most panels were 1 of the nephews
will come up with an idea or interesting question, again most of the times
it's Huey.
I am not aware if there are distinct characteristics among the nephews (if
there exists any), so I wanted to make sure whether it was intended by the
colorist or purely coincidental that Huey steals most of the spotlight.
btw just wanted to say that the Barks' Ducktales comic book is one of the
best that I've read so far, compared to the other titles, the price/content
ratio is perfect. Great articles as well, looking forward to number 2. If
possible, include 1 page comparison each of Barks' tale with corresponding
Ducktales episode. For someone who didn't watch the Ducktales when he was a
kid, it'd be nice to have some kind of reference to see how far/close the
Ducktales' crew adapted the Barks' stories.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal and a guy named Joe from Singapore
actions/sayings were made by Huey more than the other two. I didn't notice
it in other publications, but in that particular issue, Huey (the one with
red hat) really stood out on his own. Why? In many panels with only 1 nephew
shown, most of the times it's Huey. In most panels were 1 of the nephews
will come up with an idea or interesting question, again most of the times
it's Huey.
I am not aware if there are distinct characteristics among the nephews (if
there exists any), so I wanted to make sure whether it was intended by the
colorist or purely coincidental that Huey steals most of the spotlight.
btw just wanted to say that the Barks' Ducktales comic book is one of the
best that I've read so far, compared to the other titles, the price/content
ratio is perfect. Great articles as well, looking forward to number 2. If
possible, include 1 page comparison each of Barks' tale with corresponding
Ducktales episode. For someone who didn't watch the Ducktales when he was a
kid, it'd be nice to have some kind of reference to see how far/close the
Ducktales' crew adapted the Barks' stories.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal and a guy named Joe from Singapore
Jerryblake2
Cross-references
Message 104 -
2006-07-31 at 20:20:09
Barks refers to his own work in at least one other story, the "Water-Ski Race" ten-pager from the 1940s. At the beginning, the kids are "rolling in money," because of the reward they got for capturing the bank robber in last month's ten-pager (the one where Donald is trying to sabotage the boys' "detective agency.")
Ole Damgaard
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 105 -
2006-07-31 at 20:40:41
Just a few Barks-references not already mentioned:
D 5308 'The Lost Ship' by Werner Wejp-Olsen, Tom Anderson and Vicar has some
reference to 'Hall of the Mermaid Queen'.(W US 68-02 )
There is also these remakes:
D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of 'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS
456-03)
D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of 'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)
-these two stories must be read backwards like manga comics.
/ole
D 5308 'The Lost Ship' by Werner Wejp-Olsen, Tom Anderson and Vicar has some
reference to 'Hall of the Mermaid Queen'.(W US 68-02 )
There is also these remakes:
D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of 'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS
456-03)
D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of 'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)
-these two stories must be read backwards like manga comics.
/ole