Hi,
Olivier wrote:
The one direct [Barks self] reference I remember is "The Status Seeker", in
which
the Beagle Boys go straight to the candy-striped ruby, guessing that Scrooge
would try and trick them the same way he had in "All at Sea".
Jerry wrote:
Barks refers to his own work in at least one other story, the "Water-Ski
Race" ten-pager from the 1940s. At the beginning, the kids are "rolling in
money," because of the reward they got for capturing the bank robber in last
month's ten-pager (the one where Donald is trying to sabotage the boys'
"detective agency.")
Halsten wrote:
There is also a loose connection between the two adventure stories in Donald
Duck Four Color 62, "Frozen Gold" and "Mystery of the Swamp". On the last
page of "Frozen Gold" Donald and nephews talk about going on vacation to a
warm place, and in the next story, there they are.
Just for the sake of completion, there's a fourth example in "The Money
Champ": The Ducks are talking about their first encounter with Flintheart
Glomgold and remember unrolling lots of string (see "The second richest
Duck"). But I guess that's about it with Barks self references, and that's
the way I like it, at least as far as Disney comics are concerned.
Frank
Author
Topic: 200608
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Frank Bubacz
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 16 -
2006-08-01 at 15:42:42
Lars Jensen
DONALD & HIS COUSINS
Message 17 -
2006-08-01 at 17:04:57
Rich wrote (slightly edited):
> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?
I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient "screen
time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything substantial
about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page story with
enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And
unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a story is
unlikely to happen, sadly.
Lars
> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?
I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient "screen
time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything substantial
about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page story with
enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And
unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a story is
unlikely to happen, sadly.
Lars
Kimba1962
DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1 (color-coded HD&L)
Message 18 -
2006-08-01 at 17:26:07
Gary Leach wrote:
> The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is
> that they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S.
> comics this has generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and
> Louie-green, in that visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than
> any hard-and-fast "policy" on anyone's part.
Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie = green" color scheme. It may have existed prior to DT at isolated moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual repetition, if nothing else). The rationale (sorry, I can't identify where it first appeared) was stated as being:
Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.
Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy changes in "mid-flight."
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's
> nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The
> blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!"
You may be unaware that "a blue streak" is an American colloquialism for moving extremely fast. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the color of anything one's wearing.
Chris Barat
> The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is
> that they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S.
> comics this has generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and
> Louie-green, in that visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than
> any hard-and-fast "policy" on anyone's part.
Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie = green" color scheme. It may have existed prior to DT at isolated moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual repetition, if nothing else). The rationale (sorry, I can't identify where it first appeared) was stated as being:
Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.
Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy changes in "mid-flight."
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's
> nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The
> blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!"
You may be unaware that "a blue streak" is an American colloquialism for moving extremely fast. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the color of anything one's wearing.
Chris Barat
Lars Jensen
Eisner Awards 2006
Message 19 -
2006-08-01 at 17:35:37
Yes, congrats to Todd Klein and Floyd Gottfredson. As already
stated, they both deserve the recognition.
Lars
stated, they both deserve the recognition.
Lars
Jonathan H. Gray
Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
Message 20 -
2006-08-01 at 17:56:56
>From: "Lars Jensen" <lpj at forfatter.dk>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at nafsk.se>
>Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:26:25 +0200
>
>Rich wrote:
>
> > Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>
>No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
>days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
>been merged into one.
Unfortunately?
Jonathan Gray
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at nafsk.se>
>Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:26:25 +0200
>
>Rich wrote:
>
> > Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>
>No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
>days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
>been merged into one.
Unfortunately?
Jonathan Gray
Jonathan H. Gray
Huey's prominence
Message 21 -
2006-08-01 at 18:01:18
>From: Bob Peterson <bobp at contracorner.com>
>To: dcml at nafsk.se
>Subject: Re: Huey's prominence
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:23:15 -0400
>
>That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it. It might
>have been a regionalism. I've only ever heard it used as a reference
>to cussing. In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar
>language. It is also the color
>usehttp://by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=ra&msg=95205D80-DCB2-4B6E-9E79-ABC5B40A0033&start=0&len=3921&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=1c9b76004ecf310985f48289b62aea0464996637d219fb5828677404991a2564#
Sendd when cussing so foully as to
>"turn the air blue."
>
Heehee. A certain relative used to used it when a certain kid would try to
run away from a whooping. Of course I have no idea WHO that certain kid was.
Heeheehee. ^^;;
Another thing, theres also a rather lame movie by the same name with Chris
Tucker and....someone else whom I have suddenly forgotten? I dunno its been
years.
Jonathan H. Gray
>To: dcml at nafsk.se
>Subject: Re: Huey's prominence
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:23:15 -0400
>
>That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it. It might
>have been a regionalism. I've only ever heard it used as a reference
>to cussing. In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar
>language. It is also the color
>usehttp://by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=ra&msg=95205D80-DCB2-4B6E-9E79-ABC5B40A0033&start=0&len=3921&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=1c9b76004ecf310985f48289b62aea0464996637d219fb5828677404991a2564#
Sendd when cussing so foully as to
>"turn the air blue."
>
Heehee. A certain relative used to used it when a certain kid would try to
run away from a whooping. Of course I have no idea WHO that certain kid was.
Heeheehee. ^^;;
Another thing, theres also a rather lame movie by the same name with Chris
Tucker and....someone else whom I have suddenly forgotten? I dunno its been
years.
Jonathan H. Gray
Dan Shane
Big Brother on DCML?
Message 22 -
2006-08-01 at 18:25:21
DANIEL OPINES:
At this moment here at DCML, at least one unknown person is judging our
contributions anonymously, and I think that's wrong. I think people should
be able to know who is looking over their emails. When I asked for blocking
a link mistake, last Saterday, I got an anonymous report which gave me some
eery Big Brother idea, despite the helpfulness. Because the report looked as
if being written by a machine. It's very alienating. I think mentioning at
least the moderator's first name would make the reports look more human and
understandable.
AND I RESPOND:
In Orwell's novel Big Brother was watching whenever and wherever. I can
easily avoid the "eerie" gaze of the NAFSK moderators by not posting to or
unsubscribing from DCML, but I am happy to place trust in those who have
thus far earned it.
Names would be nice, but I don't feel I have *any* right to hold the list
moderators to any sort of accountability as far as their decisions about how
much of my posts they care to keep (including this one). I figure by
self-policing my comments and keeping them on topic there is little need for
concern anyway. I know my messages are going to be read by plenty of folks
I don't know when they are posted, so why worry about who reads them
*before* they circulate? Because a point I want to make doesn't get
through? That's fine with me; it's the moderator's call, and I have no
right to challenge it. I certainly don't want to be a member of a board
that lets people say absolutely any rude or insensitive thing they like.
For the last time (I promise!), if I ever decide any message board I have
joined does not work the way I like, I'll start my own. I won't ever
presume that I have *any* say in how any other individual or company
conducts its own affairs within the law.
Dan
At this moment here at DCML, at least one unknown person is judging our
contributions anonymously, and I think that's wrong. I think people should
be able to know who is looking over their emails. When I asked for blocking
a link mistake, last Saterday, I got an anonymous report which gave me some
eery Big Brother idea, despite the helpfulness. Because the report looked as
if being written by a machine. It's very alienating. I think mentioning at
least the moderator's first name would make the reports look more human and
understandable.
AND I RESPOND:
In Orwell's novel Big Brother was watching whenever and wherever. I can
easily avoid the "eerie" gaze of the NAFSK moderators by not posting to or
unsubscribing from DCML, but I am happy to place trust in those who have
thus far earned it.
Names would be nice, but I don't feel I have *any* right to hold the list
moderators to any sort of accountability as far as their decisions about how
much of my posts they care to keep (including this one). I figure by
self-policing my comments and keeping them on topic there is little need for
concern anyway. I know my messages are going to be read by plenty of folks
I don't know when they are posted, so why worry about who reads them
*before* they circulate? Because a point I want to make doesn't get
through? That's fine with me; it's the moderator's call, and I have no
right to challenge it. I certainly don't want to be a member of a board
that lets people say absolutely any rude or insensitive thing they like.
For the last time (I promise!), if I ever decide any message board I have
joined does not work the way I like, I'll start my own. I won't ever
presume that I have *any* say in how any other individual or company
conducts its own affairs within the law.
Dan
Vernon Meiers
Web forum
Message 23 -
2006-08-01 at 19:09:45
> From: Kai Saarto
>One person seems to be keeping certain type conversation going on there,
>without anyone moderating him out like we have here. No wonder he is so
keen
>to see us all migrate there to be his audience.
100% true. I've read DCML for one year and a half, and the discussions are
interesting.
Mcduck could be great but as far as I see there are flame wars everytime.
Not one is ever moderated. Anonymous posters come out of nowhere sending
attacks under frivolous arguments that go ad-nauseum (I don't want to
explain them here) - discussing all but Disney comics, and continuously
sending long and tricky messages full of insinuations. Such discussions are
not my idea of a forum. I like forums when you can actually ban someone,
when you clearly see that one is never doing any good. Sorry for this topic
not related to Disney comics.
>One person seems to be keeping certain type conversation going on there,
>without anyone moderating him out like we have here. No wonder he is so
keen
>to see us all migrate there to be his audience.
100% true. I've read DCML for one year and a half, and the discussions are
interesting.
Mcduck could be great but as far as I see there are flame wars everytime.
Not one is ever moderated. Anonymous posters come out of nowhere sending
attacks under frivolous arguments that go ad-nauseum (I don't want to
explain them here) - discussing all but Disney comics, and continuously
sending long and tricky messages full of insinuations. Such discussions are
not my idea of a forum. I like forums when you can actually ban someone,
when you clearly see that one is never doing any good. Sorry for this topic
not related to Disney comics.
Luca Boschi
No subject
Message 24 -
2006-08-01 at 21:10:38
RICH, LARS...
> Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>
No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
been merged into one.
***???
Oh, well, maybe in other countries storie, but in Italy they are
considered (and translated) as they STILL were separate and different
characters, with the names of Topesio and Bubbo.
On the "last" I Maestri Disney on Gottfredson, I even wrote a
"theoretic" article to explain the differences (adding also Mr.
Slicker's character) among all those Mickey's rivals, The same in the
"Disney Parade" booklet joined to the Mortimer PVC figurine. Since it
was necessary to make a sculpture of it, a decision about the
Mortimer's *real* look had to be taken.
Ciao!
Luca
> Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>
No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
been merged into one.
***???
Oh, well, maybe in other countries storie, but in Italy they are
considered (and translated) as they STILL were separate and different
characters, with the names of Topesio and Bubbo.
On the "last" I Maestri Disney on Gottfredson, I even wrote a
"theoretic" article to explain the differences (adding also Mr.
Slicker's character) among all those Mickey's rivals, The same in the
"Disney Parade" booklet joined to the Mortimer PVC figurine. Since it
was necessary to make a sculpture of it, a decision about the
Mortimer's *real* look had to be taken.
Ciao!
Luca
Olivier
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 25 -
2006-08-01 at 22:18:21
Thank you for reminding me of these other, early, occurences of Barks'
continuity.
The reference to the reward was necessary to explain how the usually broke
ducks can be "rolling in money".
The "let's go someplace warm" (quoting from memory) does seugue well into
the "Mystery of the Swamp" story, though it might be considered a natural
conclusion as well.
As Robert pointed out, avoiding continuity in the comics was a safe (and
good) idea. It's interesting that Barks did include such links between a
very few stories, if only for (his own) logic's sake.
Olivier
continuity.
The reference to the reward was necessary to explain how the usually broke
ducks can be "rolling in money".
The "let's go someplace warm" (quoting from memory) does seugue well into
the "Mystery of the Swamp" story, though it might be considered a natural
conclusion as well.
As Robert pointed out, avoiding continuity in the comics was a safe (and
good) idea. It's interesting that Barks did include such links between a
very few stories, if only for (his own) logic's sake.
Olivier
Ole Damgaard
Japanese style Barks (Direct references to Barks-stories)
Message 26 -
2006-08-01 at 23:52:43
I wrote:
>D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of 'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS
> 456-03)
> D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of 'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)
And Stefan Persson replyed:
> There are more of these, but I don't have my Japanese Mickey Mouse Comic
> issues
> here right now, so I can't make a list of them.
Oh. I only know these two japanese style remakes, because they have been
printed in JT 9 . Are there more like in "a whole series", or like in "just
a few more" ? And are they all Barks-remakes?
/ole
>D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of 'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS
> 456-03)
> D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of 'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)
And Stefan Persson replyed:
> There are more of these, but I don't have my Japanese Mickey Mouse Comic
> issues
> here right now, so I can't make a list of them.
Oh. I only know these two japanese style remakes, because they have been
printed in JT 9 . Are there more like in "a whole series", or like in "just
a few more" ? And are they all Barks-remakes?
/ole
Greg Wright
Huey's prominence
Message 27 -
2006-08-02 at 06:52:04
<quote>That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it. It
might
have been a regionalism. I've only ever heard it used as a reference
to cussing. In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar
language. It is also the color used when cussing so foully as to
"turn the air blue."</quote>
I can verify that it's an expression I've come across down here in New
Zealand/Australia. It's not too common these days but I've been around a
few years. Which ends my yearly contribution to the list. :-)
Greg
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might
have been a regionalism. I've only ever heard it used as a reference
to cussing. In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar
language. It is also the color used when cussing so foully as to
"turn the air blue."</quote>
I can verify that it's an expression I've come across down here in New
Zealand/Australia. It's not too common these days but I've been around a
few years. Which ends my yearly contribution to the list. :-)
Greg
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Cord Wiljes
Disney Archives from Gemstone in the Offing?
Message 28 -
2006-08-02 at 10:28:54
Quote from: http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/current_news.html
NEWS UPDATE: 7/24
DISNEY ARCHIVES FROM GEMSTONE IN THE OFFING?
Posted at 8:00 PM by gormuu
Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Be patient.
In my further discussions with Gemstone, I asked if there were any plans
to release a comprehensive hardcover archive of Carl Barks' Duck
material. Currently, foreign markets in Norway, Sweden, Germany and
Denmark are getting lovely hardcover reprints of all the Barks Duck
material in chronological order, and while those fans are just ducky
right now, their release in Europe is getting in the way of a domestic
US release. Within a couple years, however, that will change. Once the
non-interference arrangement with European licensees elapses, the decks
will be clear for US release, and that will likely be in 2008.
And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
in color, in hardcover. If this news doesn't make you quack with joy,
check out the next news update:
Are you a Floyd Gottfredson mouse fanatic? Gemstone will have you
covered, too! They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips, which
began back in 1930! This is about all there is to say about this project
right now, but as soon as there is more info to pass on, I'll let you
know!
NEWS UPDATE: 7/24
DISNEY ARCHIVES FROM GEMSTONE IN THE OFFING?
Posted at 8:00 PM by gormuu
Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Be patient.
In my further discussions with Gemstone, I asked if there were any plans
to release a comprehensive hardcover archive of Carl Barks' Duck
material. Currently, foreign markets in Norway, Sweden, Germany and
Denmark are getting lovely hardcover reprints of all the Barks Duck
material in chronological order, and while those fans are just ducky
right now, their release in Europe is getting in the way of a domestic
US release. Within a couple years, however, that will change. Once the
non-interference arrangement with European licensees elapses, the decks
will be clear for US release, and that will likely be in 2008.
And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
in color, in hardcover. If this news doesn't make you quack with joy,
check out the next news update:
Are you a Floyd Gottfredson mouse fanatic? Gemstone will have you
covered, too! They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips, which
began back in 1930! This is about all there is to say about this project
right now, but as soon as there is more info to pass on, I'll let you
know!
Luca Boschi
DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
Message 29 -
2006-08-02 at 11:18:08
- Unprocessed:
RICH
> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really
> center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be
> written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?
>
>
LARS
I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient
"screen
time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything
substantial
about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page
story
with
enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And
- Ignored:
unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a
story is
unlikely to happen, sadly.
???***
Well, you're right, Lars! Il the following story of mine, Fethry is
missing (even if there are many other characters, like Scrooge's
brother)... But it's only 45 pages long!
Check here...
I TL 2234-5 (22-09-1998)
La grande corsa Paperopoli-Ocopoli
/Boschi/Faccini/
45//; QQQ, *Paperino*, *Gastone*, Paperina, EEE, Chiquita,
Brigitta,
Nonna Papera, *Ciccio*, Zio Paperone, Gedeone, *Sgrizzo*, OK Quack,
Umperio Bogarto, Pico, Andy Ascott, Archimede, Edi
Ciao!
Luca
RICH
> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really
> center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be
> written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?
>
>
LARS
I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient
"screen
time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything
substantial
about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page
story
with
enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And
- Ignored:
unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a
story is
unlikely to happen, sadly.
???***
Well, you're right, Lars! Il the following story of mine, Fethry is
missing (even if there are many other characters, like Scrooge's
brother)... But it's only 45 pages long!
Check here...
I TL 2234-5 (22-09-1998)
La grande corsa Paperopoli-Ocopoli
/Boschi/Faccini/
45//; QQQ, *Paperino*, *Gastone*, Paperina, EEE, Chiquita,
Brigitta,
Nonna Papera, *Ciccio*, Zio Paperone, Gedeone, *Sgrizzo*, OK Quack,
Umperio Bogarto, Pico, Andy Ascott, Archimede, Edi
Ciao!
Luca
Niels Houlberg Hansen
Crazy birds
Message 30 -
2006-08-02 at 11:30:24
Hello everyone
Is there anybody who could tell me the original name of the crazy bird
that's driving Donald crazy in the opening Dick Moores story of Donald
Duck #34/1954?
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++34-02
(In Danish, it's called "flatfooted wispybird")
Its behaviour reminds me a little of the aracuan from "Clown of the
Jungle".
Kind regards
Niels
Is there anybody who could tell me the original name of the crazy bird
that's driving Donald crazy in the opening Dick Moores story of Donald
Duck #34/1954?
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++34-02
(In Danish, it's called "flatfooted wispybird")
Its behaviour reminds me a little of the aracuan from "Clown of the
Jungle".
Kind regards
Niels