Ole Damgaard wrote:
> Oh. I only know these two japanese style remakes, because they have been
> printed in JT 9 . Are there more like in "a whole series", or like in "just
> a few more" ? And are they all Barks-remakes?
Here's a list of the ones that Inducks knows about:
http://coa.inducks.org/simp.php?showimage=on&d1=&d2=&d4=D+N&creat=&exactpg=&pagel=l
As your can see, it's not only Barks remakes. And I guess there are
enough to call them "a whole series" :-)
Thomas
Author
Topic: 200608
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Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Japanese style Disney comics [was: Japanese style Barks]
Message 31 -
2006-08-02 at 12:17:00
Olivier
Disney Archives from Gemstone in the Offing?
Message 32 -
2006-08-02 at 14:40:24
- Cord -
>>>> Quote from: http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/current_news.html
>>>> And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
>>>> in color, in hardcover.
>>>> They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
>>>> cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips,
Wonderful, wonderful news!
Thanks for the link, Cord!
And thanks to the Gemstone team for their efforts!
:)
Olivier
>>>> Quote from: http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/current_news.html
>>>> And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
>>>> in color, in hardcover.
>>>> They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
>>>> cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips,
Wonderful, wonderful news!
Thanks for the link, Cord!
And thanks to the Gemstone team for their efforts!
:)
Olivier
Gary Leach
Huey's prominence
Message 33 -
2006-08-02 at 18:27:26
Chris,
> Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was
> primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie =
> green" color scheme. It may have existed prior to DT at isolated
> moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual
> repetition, if nothing else). The rationale (sorry, I can't
> identify where it first appeared) was stated as being:
>
> Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
> Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
> That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.
DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid-
summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,
either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.
> Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent
> Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the
> identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy
> changes in "mid-flight."
Colorists are only human, though they are often expected to be able
to read minds, especially those of editors and artists ;-)
Gary
> Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was
> primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie =
> green" color scheme. It may have existed prior to DT at isolated
> moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual
> repetition, if nothing else). The rationale (sorry, I can't
> identify where it first appeared) was stated as being:
>
> Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
> Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
> That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.
DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid-
summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,
either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.
> Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent
> Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the
> identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy
> changes in "mid-flight."
Colorists are only human, though they are often expected to be able
to read minds, especially those of editors and artists ;-)
Gary
Paul Koko
Blue Streak
Message 34 -
2006-08-02 at 19:25:39
Not to belabor a minor talking point, but the expression "Like a Blue
Streak", is very American, and goes way-way back to the hey-day of the
Newspaper business. Back in the 19th Century and the early years of the
20th Century, Newspapers were extremely competitive, and as there were
no Radios or TV's then and very few people had Telephones, the vast
majority of people got their news from the newspapers. When there was a
breaking story, the papers would RUSH to publish a special edition and
get it out onto the streets as quickly as possible; and the front page
was usually marked with a "Blue Streak" down the right edge to
distinguish it from the regular edition. The final edition for that
particular day was the "Red Streak".
Just a little bit of history from an old codger who has been reading
Disney Comics since his Dad started bringing them home in 1940! --30--
Streak", is very American, and goes way-way back to the hey-day of the
Newspaper business. Back in the 19th Century and the early years of the
20th Century, Newspapers were extremely competitive, and as there were
no Radios or TV's then and very few people had Telephones, the vast
majority of people got their news from the newspapers. When there was a
breaking story, the papers would RUSH to publish a special edition and
get it out onto the streets as quickly as possible; and the front page
was usually marked with a "Blue Streak" down the right edge to
distinguish it from the regular edition. The final edition for that
particular day was the "Red Streak".
Just a little bit of history from an old codger who has been reading
Disney Comics since his Dad started bringing them home in 1940! --30--
Olof Siverbo
DCML maintenance, present and future
Message 35 -
2006-08-02 at 21:27:23
Daniel van Eijmeren:
> Who is the second moderater?
That's me!
Olof Siverbo (on the board of NAFS(k) since 1983 or so)
> Who is the second moderater?
That's me!
Olof Siverbo (on the board of NAFS(k) since 1983 or so)
Rich
HDL Coloring: A Walk Down Memory Lane
Message 36 -
2006-08-03 at 09:06:31
Of course, some of us know this discussion about the COLORS of the NEPHEWS ballcaps goes back to the beginning of time,
the Big Bang, the origin of what is now INDUCKS, etc. LOL!
Here's an exerpt from a discussion in the primitive days between Per, Harry and myself about this very subject in 1992:
http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-September.txt
(start quote) *************************************************************
>From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Sep 24 14:19:42 1992
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 14:19:42 +0200
Subject: Huey, Dewey, and Louie
Message-ID:
The question on who's who of Huey, Dewey and Louie came up in
rec.arts.disney. This was my contribution:
========================================
Rich Bellacera :
> [...] The truth is is that they *are* seperate characters. Each has o
> has only a slightly different characteristic, but different none the less.
Harry Fluks :
> Nonsense. You can't tell the character of an individual by the color of
> his shirt. H, D and L are fully interchangeable. Their cloth colors fully
> depend on the (dozens) different color artists (especially in the comics).
Of course *everything* about them "fully depend on" the different
artists, including their looks, their clothes, their lines and their
personalities.
The problem with the colouring in the comics is that it's so
inconsistent. Maybe the nephews exchange their caps between panels,
but even that won't explain the whole of it, as they sometimes
exchange colours when they are apart from each other. 8-)
The colouring in the animated shorts have always been better, but the
red-blue-green thing was invented in comics, so you won't find it in
the classical cartoons. Instead they wore different colours in
different cartoons, very often red. In their first cartoon ("Donald's
Nephews") they wore red, orange and green. In DuckTales they are
consistent about it, as Steven P. Calica
already has pointed out: Huey red, Dewey blue, and Louie green.
Different character or not? Of course they are *supposed* to be
exactly like one another, but if you look through several episodes
where they do different things and you know which one does what, maybe
you could find some unintentional (on the part of the writers)
different character traits anyway?
This is what Dan Haley tried to do in "A Who's Who of Huey, Dewey &
Louie" published in the fanzine The Barks Collector #11 (1979). He
doesn't only use those situations where one of the boys is explicitly
named, but all of that story as well, as he assumes that they wear the
same colours throughout a story at least. I wouldn't trust the
colourists that much...
When he initially looked through his Barks collection to find
instances where a nephew with a cap or outfits of some particular
colour was named, he found the following:
Huey Dewey Louie
Red 5 6 8
Green 5 4 6
Blue 1 8 3
(He only used stories by Carl Barks, but of course Unca Carl didn't
colour his stories himself.)
Rich again:
> Several years ago a comic book story had Grandma Duck knitting sweaters
> for each of the ducklings. One each she knitted the first letter of their
> names. H = Red, D = Blue and L = Green. This story was written back in
> the sixties so the link between the Grandma Duck story and the Ducktales
> story verifies that Dewey is still in blue.
Harry again:
> Pure coincidence.
Maybe, but I'm not totally convinced. It wouldn't surprise me if at
least some of the colourists had their opinions on what colours the
boys wear, and it would be very easy to follow that opinion in the
sweater example. I guess the problem for the colourists was that they
didn't have the time to actually read the stories, and you had to do
that to keep track of the boys. I'd like more data on the colouring
in scenes such as the sweaters episode Rich mentioned where the
colourists are bound to have noticed which boy the gave which colour.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
Disney comics mailing list administrator.
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
**************************************************************** (end quote)
For the record, here is more Pre-DuckTales evidence that the coloring for the Nephews was already somewhat established as
HUEY = RED, DEWEY = BLUE & LOUIE = GREEN (notice Lunch boxes)
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DG+++22-03F//++_
I wish I could recall where I saw the picture of the knitted sweaters with the initials of HDL on them and the stockings humg
on the fireplace with the Nephews names listed that also matched the same color scheme.
Of course, this does not mean that every colorist was either aware of this notion or followed it.
Thanks,
Rich
(Email removed)
---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/
the Big Bang, the origin of what is now INDUCKS, etc. LOL!
Here's an exerpt from a discussion in the primitive days between Per, Harry and myself about this very subject in 1992:
http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-September.txt
(start quote) *************************************************************
>From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Sep 24 14:19:42 1992
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 14:19:42 +0200
Subject: Huey, Dewey, and Louie
Message-ID:
The question on who's who of Huey, Dewey and Louie came up in
rec.arts.disney. This was my contribution:
========================================
Rich Bellacera :
> [...] The truth is is that they *are* seperate characters. Each has o
> has only a slightly different characteristic, but different none the less.
Harry Fluks :
> Nonsense. You can't tell the character of an individual by the color of
> his shirt. H, D and L are fully interchangeable. Their cloth colors fully
> depend on the (dozens) different color artists (especially in the comics).
Of course *everything* about them "fully depend on" the different
artists, including their looks, their clothes, their lines and their
personalities.
The problem with the colouring in the comics is that it's so
inconsistent. Maybe the nephews exchange their caps between panels,
but even that won't explain the whole of it, as they sometimes
exchange colours when they are apart from each other. 8-)
The colouring in the animated shorts have always been better, but the
red-blue-green thing was invented in comics, so you won't find it in
the classical cartoons. Instead they wore different colours in
different cartoons, very often red. In their first cartoon ("Donald's
Nephews") they wore red, orange and green. In DuckTales they are
consistent about it, as Steven P. Calica
already has pointed out: Huey red, Dewey blue, and Louie green.
Different character or not? Of course they are *supposed* to be
exactly like one another, but if you look through several episodes
where they do different things and you know which one does what, maybe
you could find some unintentional (on the part of the writers)
different character traits anyway?
This is what Dan Haley tried to do in "A Who's Who of Huey, Dewey &
Louie" published in the fanzine The Barks Collector #11 (1979). He
doesn't only use those situations where one of the boys is explicitly
named, but all of that story as well, as he assumes that they wear the
same colours throughout a story at least. I wouldn't trust the
colourists that much...
When he initially looked through his Barks collection to find
instances where a nephew with a cap or outfits of some particular
colour was named, he found the following:
Huey Dewey Louie
Red 5 6 8
Green 5 4 6
Blue 1 8 3
(He only used stories by Carl Barks, but of course Unca Carl didn't
colour his stories himself.)
Rich again:
> Several years ago a comic book story had Grandma Duck knitting sweaters
> for each of the ducklings. One each she knitted the first letter of their
> names. H = Red, D = Blue and L = Green. This story was written back in
> the sixties so the link between the Grandma Duck story and the Ducktales
> story verifies that Dewey is still in blue.
Harry again:
> Pure coincidence.
Maybe, but I'm not totally convinced. It wouldn't surprise me if at
least some of the colourists had their opinions on what colours the
boys wear, and it would be very easy to follow that opinion in the
sweater example. I guess the problem for the colourists was that they
didn't have the time to actually read the stories, and you had to do
that to keep track of the boys. I'd like more data on the colouring
in scenes such as the sweaters episode Rich mentioned where the
colourists are bound to have noticed which boy the gave which colour.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
Disney comics mailing list administrator.
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
**************************************************************** (end quote)
For the record, here is more Pre-DuckTales evidence that the coloring for the Nephews was already somewhat established as
HUEY = RED, DEWEY = BLUE & LOUIE = GREEN (notice Lunch boxes)
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DG+++22-03F//++_
I wish I could recall where I saw the picture of the knitted sweaters with the initials of HDL on them and the stockings humg
on the fireplace with the Nephews names listed that also matched the same color scheme.
Of course, this does not mean that every colorist was either aware of this notion or followed it.
Thanks,
Rich
(Email removed)
---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/
Yossi Horowitz
Huey's prominence
Message 37 -
2006-08-03 at 15:45:38
Wouldn't ink and paint work on Ducktales have been well underway by
then, though?
dcml-request at nafsk.se wrote on 8/3/2006, 6:13 AM:
>
> DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
> originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid-
> summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
> That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,
> either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.
then, though?
dcml-request at nafsk.se wrote on 8/3/2006, 6:13 AM:
>
> DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
> originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid-
> summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
> That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,
> either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.
Per Starback
HDL colours
Message 38 -
2006-08-03 at 15:56:35
Gary Leach wrote:
> DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
> originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in
> mid-summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
> That's not to say that Another Rainbow/ Gladstone originated it,
> either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even
> then.
I think this is interesting, since I also thought that the HDL =
red/blue/green colouring originated in DuckTales. Where else would it
come from? Where would it have been well-established? Not in any
animation before DuckTales and not in any comics before Gladstone, as
far as I know, so where?
Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)
Do other AR people remember where they heard about it?
--
Per Starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
> originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in
> mid-summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
> That's not to say that Another Rainbow/ Gladstone originated it,
> either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even
> then.
I think this is interesting, since I also thought that the HDL =
red/blue/green colouring originated in DuckTales. Where else would it
come from? Where would it have been well-established? Not in any
animation before DuckTales and not in any comics before Gladstone, as
far as I know, so where?
Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)
Do other AR people remember where they heard about it?
--
Per Starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Jerryblake2
Huey, Dewey, and Louie
Message 39 -
2006-08-03 at 16:46:40
You know, it's funny, but I can't recall where I first heard that Huey, Dewey, and Louie's cap colors are red, blue, and green, respectively. However, I seem to have "known" that since my earliest days reading Disney comics. It used to irritate me no end when Donald addressed a green-capped nephew as "Huey," or a blue-capped nephew as "Dewey," or whatever. Maybe the knowledge is instinctively born in Duck fans? Well, maybe not. But I can't recall picking up the knowledge anywhere; I knew it before I began to see Ducktales, even.
Travis Seitler
Huey, Dewey, and Louie
Message 40 -
2006-08-03 at 17:25:09
On 8/3/06, jerryblake2 at juno.com <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:
> I can't recall where I first heard that Huey, Dewey, and Louie's cap
> colors are red, blue, and green, respectively. However, I seem to have
> "known" that since my earliest days reading Disney comics.
>
Me, too. Of course, I was only five when I first saw DuckTales, so maybe
that *was* what solidified the nephews' colors in my mind... but I seem to
have "always known" that Huey's cap was red -- even if I mixed up the other
two occasionally. ;)
// Travis Seitler :: travis at webseitler.com
> I can't recall where I first heard that Huey, Dewey, and Louie's cap
> colors are red, blue, and green, respectively. However, I seem to have
> "known" that since my earliest days reading Disney comics.
>
Me, too. Of course, I was only five when I first saw DuckTales, so maybe
that *was* what solidified the nephews' colors in my mind... but I seem to
have "always known" that Huey's cap was red -- even if I mixed up the other
two occasionally. ;)
// Travis Seitler :: travis at webseitler.com
Gary Leach
Blue Streak
Message 41 -
2006-08-03 at 18:19:14
My earliest distinct encounter with "blue streak" was in fifth grade,
when our class clown got the attention of everyone in the lunchroom
and told a very shaggy-dog joke in which the meaning of the term
"blue streak" was the non-punchline. As far as the joke was concerned
it could have been any term, though the "blue" did suggest something,
well, suggestive.
In later life I've heard the term most often used in the context of
someone speaking fast and rather relentlessly - "talking a blue
streak." But it's always been that joke that's stuck in my mind.
Gary
when our class clown got the attention of everyone in the lunchroom
and told a very shaggy-dog joke in which the meaning of the term
"blue streak" was the non-punchline. As far as the joke was concerned
it could have been any term, though the "blue" did suggest something,
well, suggestive.
In later life I've heard the term most often used in the context of
someone speaking fast and rather relentlessly - "talking a blue
streak." But it's always been that joke that's stuck in my mind.
Gary
Lars Jensen
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 42 -
2006-08-03 at 18:44:55
Jonathan H. Gray wrote:
> Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> to Barks'?
The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.
> what was Barks's collaboration like with other duck and mouse
> writers and artists during his time? Has he ever spoken of Strobl
> or Murry or Fallberg or Taliaferro?
The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
used many characters from it.
And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.
Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.
And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
as an old hack.
Lars
> Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> to Barks'?
The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.
> what was Barks's collaboration like with other duck and mouse
> writers and artists during his time? Has he ever spoken of Strobl
> or Murry or Fallberg or Taliaferro?
The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
used many characters from it.
And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.
Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.
And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
as an old hack.
Lars
Jonathan H. Gray
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 43 -
2006-08-03 at 19:17:13
>Jonathan H. Gray wrote:
>
> > Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> > references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> > to Barks'?
>
>The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
>In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
>they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.
>
I'd forgotten about Bucky Bug. Plus (if I remember correctly) weren't some
minute parts of the newspaper serials referenced in early Bucky stories
also? Surprising that it had as much continuity as it did though I guess the
nice thing about that is that each story could stand on it's own. I suppose
the same goes for Moores and Murry's Brer Rabbit serials as well.
To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the
Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories and it surprised me just how many
resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of
small cameos - i.e Brer Terrapin, Brer Groun'hawg, the raccoon from that
same story, and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger
role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly
dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the
states...I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was
referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were
incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense. Do the
characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states? And
also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside
of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I
seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually
did appear though I imagine he had no hand in writing it.
>The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
>Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
>used many characters from it.
Hence Bolivar. And Taliaferro made extensive use of Scrooge later on too.
>And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.
^__^
>Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.
Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may ask?
>And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
>as an old hack.
LOL! I dont know why that strikes me as funny as it does. :)
Jonathan H. Gray
>
> > Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> > references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> > to Barks'?
>
>The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
>In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
>they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.
>
I'd forgotten about Bucky Bug. Plus (if I remember correctly) weren't some
minute parts of the newspaper serials referenced in early Bucky stories
also? Surprising that it had as much continuity as it did though I guess the
nice thing about that is that each story could stand on it's own. I suppose
the same goes for Moores and Murry's Brer Rabbit serials as well.
To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the
Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories and it surprised me just how many
resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of
small cameos - i.e Brer Terrapin, Brer Groun'hawg, the raccoon from that
same story, and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger
role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly
dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the
states...I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was
referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were
incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense. Do the
characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states? And
also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside
of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I
seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually
did appear though I imagine he had no hand in writing it.
>The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
>Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
>used many characters from it.
Hence Bolivar. And Taliaferro made extensive use of Scrooge later on too.
>And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.
^__^
>Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.
Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may ask?
>And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
>as an old hack.
LOL! I dont know why that strikes me as funny as it does. :)
Jonathan H. Gray
Gary Leach
Nephew's hat colors
Message 44 -
2006-08-03 at 20:01:05
Per:
> Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
> Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
> you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)
My best guess is that Bruce Hamilton established it with Carl Barks -
his touchstone for all artistic matters concerning the Ducks,
including color - during one of the countless Q&As they exchanged
during the early 1980s. Again, it doesn't mean they would necessarily
have originated the formula, but simply agreed that it would be the
one that Gladstone would use.
Gary
> Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
> Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
> you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)
My best guess is that Bruce Hamilton established it with Carl Barks -
his touchstone for all artistic matters concerning the Ducks,
including color - during one of the countless Q&As they exchanged
during the early 1980s. Again, it doesn't mean they would necessarily
have originated the formula, but simply agreed that it would be the
one that Gladstone would use.
Gary
David Gerstein
Direct references to Barks-stories
Message 45 -
2006-08-03 at 20:01:52
Hey Jonathan,
> To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories [#576, 1992] and it surprised me just how many resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of small cameos [...] - i.e Brer Terrapin [...] and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the states...
>
You suppose correctly.
In those countries that have continued to produce Brer Rabbit stories in modern times (Denmark through 1997, Holland right up to the present), both Brer Terrapin and Molly have been frequently recurring characters. IMHO, Molly is actually overused, typically as the victim of Brer Fox whom Brer Rabbit must rescue from the stewpot. I myself once wrote such a story, not realizing the idea had been done to death. Ho hum...
> I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was
> referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense.
>
Darn tootin' it makes sense! It's not a big surprise to discover that the pigs and wolf are also in the original Joel Chandler Harris Brer Rabbit stories (see: "Brer Wolf and the Pigs" in Harris' _Further Tales of Uncle Remus_ ...no kidding!).
Brers Fox and Bear actually call Zeke "Brer Wolf" in quite a large number of old W-coded stories, so it's actually the characters' traditional custom; we're carrying it on these days at Gemstone.
> Do the characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states?
>
Until the early 1990s, the answer was generally yes; both Egmont and Dutch-produced comics contained a lot of both Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories.
In the mid-1990s, Egmont's local publishers decided they wanted less of the forest characters. Brer Rabbit was dropped from most of the Egmont weeklies in the late 1990s. Wolf stories still appear, though rather seldom.
The Dutch, however, carry on with lots of Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories even today.
OTOH, Jonathan, remember that we have a Wolf story here in the States in about nine out of every ten WDC&S issues. So we're still getting a fairly good supply.
> And also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually did appear though I imagine [Barks] had no hand in writing it.
>
Gil Turner began a tradition that the Brer and Wolf characters lived in the forest outside of Mickey's and Donald's cities. Vic Lockman and others carried this on in the 1960s, doing a huge number of crossovers - including the Barks-drawn Grandma story you mention.
At Egmont in the 1990s the rule was that we couldn't mix the forest characters with mouse and duck continuity. I suspect the Dutch have a similar rule, but I'm not sure; going by the stories I've seen, though, that's what I'd suspect.
David
> To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories [#576, 1992] and it surprised me just how many resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of small cameos [...] - i.e Brer Terrapin [...] and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the states...
>
You suppose correctly.
In those countries that have continued to produce Brer Rabbit stories in modern times (Denmark through 1997, Holland right up to the present), both Brer Terrapin and Molly have been frequently recurring characters. IMHO, Molly is actually overused, typically as the victim of Brer Fox whom Brer Rabbit must rescue from the stewpot. I myself once wrote such a story, not realizing the idea had been done to death. Ho hum...
> I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was
> referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense.
>
Darn tootin' it makes sense! It's not a big surprise to discover that the pigs and wolf are also in the original Joel Chandler Harris Brer Rabbit stories (see: "Brer Wolf and the Pigs" in Harris' _Further Tales of Uncle Remus_ ...no kidding!).
Brers Fox and Bear actually call Zeke "Brer Wolf" in quite a large number of old W-coded stories, so it's actually the characters' traditional custom; we're carrying it on these days at Gemstone.
> Do the characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states?
>
Until the early 1990s, the answer was generally yes; both Egmont and Dutch-produced comics contained a lot of both Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories.
In the mid-1990s, Egmont's local publishers decided they wanted less of the forest characters. Brer Rabbit was dropped from most of the Egmont weeklies in the late 1990s. Wolf stories still appear, though rather seldom.
The Dutch, however, carry on with lots of Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories even today.
OTOH, Jonathan, remember that we have a Wolf story here in the States in about nine out of every ten WDC&S issues. So we're still getting a fairly good supply.
> And also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually did appear though I imagine [Barks] had no hand in writing it.
>
Gil Turner began a tradition that the Brer and Wolf characters lived in the forest outside of Mickey's and Donald's cities. Vic Lockman and others carried this on in the 1960s, doing a huge number of crossovers - including the Barks-drawn Grandma story you mention.
At Egmont in the 1990s the rule was that we couldn't mix the forest characters with mouse and duck continuity. I suspect the Dutch have a similar rule, but I'm not sure; going by the stories I've seen, though, that's what I'd suspect.
David