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Fluks, H.W. (Harry)
Lars to Jonathan:
>
> > Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories
> > if I may ask?
>
> Check out this link

A bit shorter link:

http://coa.inducks.org/comp2.php?art=cb&writ=vlo&default_o=1

--Harry.

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Donald D. Markstein
>Different character or not? Of course they are *supposed* to be
>exactly like one another, but if you look through several episodes
>where they do different things and you know which one does what, maybe
>you could find some unintentional (on the part of the writers)
>different character traits anyway?
>
>

An unknown number, probably dozens, of different writers, over a period
of decades, who don't even know each other, somehow managed to
coordinate their stories so that different character traits, amazingly
subtle and yet discernable to the studious reader, appear consistently
among the "different" nephews? And they did this without even intending to?

I don't think so.

I've been reading Duck stories with nephews in them for more than half a
century, and reading them seriously enough and repeatedly enough that I
could quote fairly large sections of Barks, and I've never seen any such
thing. What's more, until the 1980s, I never saw any consistency in the
way they were colored. But perhaps that's because I've never looked,
because as far as I've ever been able to tell, the three are absolutely
interchangeable.

Now, I can't claim to be one of the Master Planners of the Disney
Universe. In fact, most of my writing of Nephews is merely to re-dialog
European stories for American consumption -- at Egmont, where I write
full stories, I mostly do Mickey Mouse. However, even the minor Duck
work I do qualifies me to use the next paragraph's first five words as
an introduction.

SPEAKING AS A DUCK WRITER, I don't distinguish among them at all. If a
nephew speaks in one of the stories I work on, I attribute the balloon
to "Nephew". If two nephews speak in the same panel, I attribute the
ballons to "Nephew 1" and "Nephew 2", in normal reading order. I don't
recall all three nephews speaking in the same panel, but I'm sure you
can guess how I'd attribute the balloons if they ever did. In fact, even
if Phooey, the phantom fourth Nephew who is seen occasionally when
stories aren't proofread carefully enough, were to show up, I'd simply
call him "Nephew 4". (After pointing him out to editors, of course.)

Let someone else decide what color their caps are. Whatever he does,
he'll be consistent, because as far as I've ever seen, there is no
difference whatsoever from one nephew to another.

Didn't Don Rosa once do a story about what incredibly minute differences
you have to perceive to tell them apart? Differences like one of them
has a mosquito bite over his eye, or one has a couple of feathers out of
place? If any reader, anywhere, could see a real difference among them,
that was the time to share it with the rest of us.

Quack, Don
JTorci3511
Everyone:

Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

"Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may ask?"

My guess, as someone who knows Lockman's style quite well, is that it would
have been backups in later issues of UNCLE SCROOGE like "Travel Tightwad" and
"Invisible Intruder".

They read far more like Lockman than Barks.

Joe Torcivia.
Halsten Aastebøl
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at nafsk.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at nafsk.se] On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: 3. august 2006 09:07
To: dcml at nafsk.se
Subject: HDL Coloring: A Walk Down Memory Lane

Snip..

This is what Dan Haley tried to do in "A Who's Who of Huey, Dewey &
Louie" published in the fanzine The Barks Collector #11 (1979). He
doesn't only use those situations where one of the boys is explicitly
named, but all of that story as well, as he assumes that they wear the
same colours throughout a story at least. I wouldn't trust the
colourists that much...

When he initially looked through his Barks collection to find
instances where a nephew with a cap or outfits of some particular
colour was named, he found the following:

Huey Dewey Louie
Red 5 6 8
Green 5 4 6
Blue 1 8 3

(He only used stories by Carl Barks, but of course Unca Carl didn't
colour his stories himself.)

----

So in this little survey Huey was named 11 times, Dewey 18 times and Louie
17 times. Is there a tendency to name one of the nephews more often than the
others? I would suppose not.

Halsten
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Could the nephews-colouring originate from their 1930s debut animated
cartoon 'Donald's Nephews'?
Isn't there a scene where they individually introduce themselves? I've seen
a storyboard drawing of that.
Difference could be that green = yellow. I haven't seen the cartoon for some
time.

Best, Dani?l
Elaine Ramshaw
The Rosa story of which Don Markstein speaks is "An Eye for Detail" (WDCS
622). And Rosa certainly believes that the nephews are identical in
character as well as (to all but themselves and Donald) in appearance. He
wrote on this list a few years back "I still like the idea of them being the
same character times 3, with no individual traits... I think that's part of
the 'gag' for me, that there could be three such noble yet identical
people." He's also more than once included scenes in stories that make clear
that the nephews themselves don't think they're identical; that's also part
of the gag. So Rosa, for instance, would not do a story where the nephews
take advantage of their identical appearance to fool someone else. Barks
actually did have the nephews try (unsuccessfully!) to fool Donald in this
way, in the ten-pager in WDCS 71 (which Gladstone named "Swimming
Swindlers"); perhaps Donald had already at that early stage developed his
eye for detail. Though it's not clear that Donald would have seen through
their masquerade if he hadn't overheard their plans in advance.

The McGreals have written a story, "Happy Birthday Times 3," in which the
nephews apparently try to establish independent identities in order to get
separate (or multiple?) birthday celebrations/presents (I'm just going by
the INDUCKS summary). I'm hoping Gemstone will publish that some time (now
that they've published the April, May & June birthday story!), because I'm
curious to see how the McGreals chose to handle the issue. I'm the younger
sister of identical twins, and my childhood claim to fame was that I was the
*only* one who never got them mixed up (which basically just meant that I
took the time to look carefully before I called out a name; everyone in the
immediate family could tell them apart if they tried), so I'm naturally
drawn to such stories!

And on another note entirely... The Amazon previews for upcoming Gemstone
issues list "Master of Disaster" in both DDA 21 & 22. Is that accurate? Will
it be published in two parts?

And on yet another note... Has anyone ever made April, May & June members of
the Chickadees? (Personally, I'd far rather be a member of the Junior
Bonfire Girls [WDCS 42]--not such a cutesy feminine name! Though to be fair,
it's not like "Junior Woodchuck" would sound like something anyone would
want to be, if we didn't have all the Barksian associations with the name.)

Elaine
Kai Saarto
One thing I've been personally wondering for years are the
"filler"-stories in weeklies. For example "Big Bad Wolf", "Hiawatha"
and others that use different universes than mice/ducks. Those have
evolved little or nothing during decades, 90% of time Zeke tries to
capture the three little pigs or Hiawatha tries to convince everyone
that he is a big warrior. (I am provocating a bit here, I know that
someone could claim duck-stories to be as one-dimensional plotwise)

On the same vein. "Bucky Bug" reads like its something aimed for 3-5
year olds. I know that Bucky is a character from old Silly Symphonies,
but I have only recently seen those new stories appearing. Anyone know
why they are making those now? Have they started to re-use to characters
in cartoons or something and then decided to make a comic version as well?

Are they popular among the readers? Has publishers made polls or
something? I don't like them that much, so I am trying to figure out if
anyone else does.Since so many older characters are now banned by Egmont
for example Moby Duck, I just can?t get why they do stories about Bucky
Bug but not Moby Duck (except for those Italian Bay stories, which are
actually good).

Are publishers trying to meet a quota with these? Perhaps their deal
with Disney includes a clause that "requires" them to use certain
characters besides just ducks and mice.
Elaine Ramshaw
I just saw that INDUCKS lists the author of "The Last Voyage of Ringtail van
Dukke" as Evert Geradts. In Gladstone's DDA 39, the author was listed as Jan
Kruse. Which is correct? Since this story is one of my very favorite duck
stories by someone other than Barks or Rosa, I want to give credit where
credit is due!
Donald D. Markstein
> On the same vein. "Bucky Bug" reads like its something aimed for 3-5
> year olds. I know that Bucky is a character from old Silly Symphonies,
> but I have only recently seen those new stories appearing. Anyone know
> why they are making those now? Have they started to re-use to
> characters in cartoons or something and then decided to make a comic
> version as well?
>
> Are they popular among the readers? Has publishers made polls or
> something? I don't like them that much, so I am trying to figure out
> if anyone else does.Since so many older characters are now banned by
> Egmont for example Moby Duck, I just can?t get why they do stories
> about Bucky Bug but not Moby Duck (except for those Italian Bay
> stories, which are actually good).
>
> Are publishers trying to meet a quota with these? Perhaps their deal
> with Disney includes a clause that "requires" them to use certain
> characters besides just ducks and mice.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, nobody is making new Bucky Bug stories
outside of The Netherlands. I wouldn't even have known that, if Daan
Jippes hadn't mentioned it the one time I met him in San Diego (mid
1990s). Those stories don't have the one quality that stands out so
strongly to me, the fact that they're written in meter and rhyme -- he
told me the character remains popular there because of the contrast
between his tiny world and the one we live in.

And yes, the stories, at least the ones that originated in English, are
aimed at very young readers, a perfectly legitimate demographic. In
fact, it was while reading a stack of 1940s WDC&S aloud to a
stepdaughter in that range (circa 1980) that I became a fan of the
series. I started reading them for the Barks (who goes over great with
ALL ages), but continued with Li'l Bad Wolf, which she liked well enough
(tho I was already a big fan, fascinated by what I call his existential
dilemma), and Bucky -- and it was when I read Bucky, whom I'd never paid
much attention to before, that the whole room lit up. The moment I
started reading the first one, I knew I had a winner. (After a few
months, when I told her I was running out of unread ones -- I have about
80-90% -- she said I should buy more.)

About ten years later, Bucky became the first Disney character I wrote.
Talking with Bob Foster, when he was editor of WDC&S, I found out Bob
was a fan of Bucky too, so I took it into my head to write the first new
one since the '50s. He bought it, and about a dozen more (most
environmental PSAs in the 1-2 page range, tho there are three real
stories that I'm quite proud of), but they've never been illustrated --
they're currently sitting around in a filing cabinet, and in case any
Disney publisher ever wants to publish them and can't find that filing
cabinet, I'll be glad to provide fresh copies.

When I was writing American dialog for Gladstone, I badgered John Clark
into getting a half-dozen of those Dutch stories, so I could write
rhyming dialog for them. They remain my only published Bucky Bug work,
tho I do like to place cameos of him (a picture on a wall, somebody
dressing as him at a costume party, etc.) when I can dream up a
not-too-obtrusive way, in my Mickey Mouse stories.

But by an odd coincidence, I happen to have scheduled some Bucky Bug
work later today. His 75th anniversary is coming up (tho he did appear
in a Silly Symphony nine months after his print debut, he's the very
first Disney character to start in comics), and David Gerstein managed
to talk the PTB at Gemstone into commemorating the fact with a new story.

Will this lead to a full-scale revival, including resurrecting my early
work? Sure, why not? Hold your breath. But it is fun to be working on
Bucky again.

(You can read about him at http://www.toonopedia.com/buckybug.htm)

Quack, Don
Jerryblake2
The PC Police ("Disney" Studios) won't allow Little Hiawatha to be published in this country, so I can't offer an opinion on his adventures, but I'm a strong fan of Zeke Wolf, Bucky Bug, Brer Rabbit, and other non-Duck characters. To say that their universes haven't "evolved" is silly, since the Duck universe hasn't developed much either (nor do I want it to). You could just as easily say that 90% of all Scrooge stories have the old duck searching for buried treasure or trying to defend his money from criminals, or that 90% of all Donald stories have Don trying to suceed at some job or get the best of Jones or Gladstone. The Wolf stories generally follow the same formula, but it's a simple and good formula, capable of much amusing and interesting variation. I also enjoy the old Bucky Bug tales a good deal; the rhyming dialogue is pretty ingenious and the artwork is always good. I certainly look on these stories as more than filler, and I'm sure some other folks do too.
Wouter Van De Zandschulp
Kai Saarto wrote about 'filler stories' in weeklies, featuring Zeke Wolf,
Hiawatha, Bucky Bug and others.

I am from Holland, where there is a great tradition in our weekly magazine
to use these stories. I believe this is because the weekly started out with
American stories like these and they decided not to just get rid of those
characters after those stories where mostly published. That's why dutch
artist started producing these stories themself. A lot of them are drawn by
ComicUp Studio artist these days.

They reason they keep producing them might also be the variety of characters
the weekly thus contains. The dutch weekly produces a magazine with several
'worlds' and characters and is very divers. Readers get Donald every week,
Mickey most weeks, but also some other colorful animals, like dogs, wolves,
mice, etc. Also, the dutch magazine gives a lot of attention to the younger
readers, which these shorter stories are more suitable for.

Finally, considering Zeke Wolf, I guess a lot of dutch people just have a
thing for him. The way he keeps chasing the pigs year after year...
Now most of his stories are the work of ComicUp Studios, but there used to
be another artist who gave the wolf sort of a world of his own, which
probably contributed greatly to his popularity.
Ole Damgaard
Kai Saarto wrote:
>90% of time Zeke tries to capture the three little pigs

Yes, well, that *is* Zekes destiny, isn't it?

The late, great danish poet Dan T?rell once wrote about the day, when Zeke
did actually catch the three little pigs once and for all.
After a lot of soul-searching Zeke finally realized, that there was only one
thing for him to do after this; and that was to let them go again.
Because what was there to do for him next? He had no other goals in life
than to catch these pigs, and his life suddenly felt empty and hollow.
So, you see, that is why the forest universe never evolves. It would mean
the end of Zeke as we know him.

Uncle Danny was a great poet. :-)

/ole
Vernon Meiers
Inducks is right. This is a known error by Gladstone.
Vernon

On 8/5/06, Elaine Ramshaw <elaine1 at snet.net> wrote:
>
> I just saw that INDUCKS lists the author of "The Last Voyage of Ringtail
> van
> Dukke" as Evert Geradts. In Gladstone's DDA 39, the author was listed as
> Jan
> Kruse. Which is correct? Since this story is one of my very favorite duck
> stories by someone other than Barks or Rosa, I want to give credit where
> credit is due!
>
>
>
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Rich
>From: Robert Hutchings (Email removed)>
>Subject: April, May, and June as Chickadees
>
>Elain wrote:
>
> [AMJ] members of the Chickadees?
>
>[Robert replies]:
>
>The answer is yes. [snip]... I haven't figured
>out a way yet to search INDUCKS for this information,
>but perhaps there's a way.

One way that seems to work is to enter, in the "Characters field": Chickadees, AMJ
That will cause the search to look for results that equal both enquiries together only.

Or you can refine your search even more tightly by entering: Chickadees, AMJ, JW

The problem I noticed, however, with "W JW 7-01 The Junior Woodchucks: Whale of a Good Deed" is that the database doesn't
seem to recognized AMJ as appearing in the story.

It lists
Story & script: Carl Barks Pencils & ink: John Carey
Appearances: Uncle Scrooge, Donald Duck, Daisy Duck, The Junior Woodchucks, Chickadees

Thus neither HDL or AMJ are specifically identified as being among either the Junior Woodchucks or the Chickadee Patrol,
though it definitely doesn't rule OUT their possible appearance either. I don't believe this is a "bug" in the search, but you'd
definely have to have a copy of the printed story in your possession to verify the actual presence of HDL or AMJ or any other
recurring "member" of either scouting troop in many stories that pre-date the modern Italian GM [JW] stories where individual
troop members are much more clearly recorded as "appearances."

Hope that helps.

Rich

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