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Kristian Pedersen
Frank Bubacz wrote:
>>>>Just for the sake of completion, there's a fourth
example in "The Money
Champ": The Ducks are talking about their first
encounter with
Flintheart
Glomgold and remember unrolling lots of string (see
"The second richest
Duck"). But I guess that's about it with Barks self
references [...]

I didn't notice anybody mentioning this one yet:
Barks made two tenpagers about new year's resolutions.
In the second one, Donald and the kids keep their vows
in sealed envelopes after a discussion on how last
year they tried getting each other to break them. I
think the stories were published in WDC&S with a
one-year interval between them.

Kristian

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Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
> Elaine Ramshaw wrote:
>
>> So Rosa, for instance, would not do a story where the nephews
>> take advantage of their identical appearance to fool someone else.
>> Barks actually did have the nephews try (unsuccessfully!) to fool
>> Donald in this way, in the ten-pager in WDCS 71 (which Gladstone
>> named "Swimming Swindlers"); perhaps Donald had already at that
>> early stage developed his eye for detail.

Lars Jensen answered:

> No, as far as I know the "eye for detail" idea originated decades later
> in Don Rosa's story "An Eye for Detail" (which you mention further up
> in your post).

Yes, in the mentioned swimming story, Donald OVERHEARD the nephews
scheming to trick him by pretending all three of them were Louie. However,
later in the story, when the scheme is in play, and Dewey comes swimming
pretending to be Louie, Donald immediately thinks ?that's Dewey!?.
Deanmary
If you go to this site:http://www.comicon.com/pulse/ you should be able to link to an interview with David Gerstein about the recently published Walt Disney Treasures TPB. It is a nice, informative interview.

P.S. for David. Now that I have helped promo your interview, can you perhaps give us a little more info about upcoming Gemstone projects, especially a rumored Barks and/or Gottfredson archival series? Hey, I *know* deep down you want to! :) We won't tell anyone! :)
Mads Jensen
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Hi,

I have been reading quite a lot of Gottfredson's strips in the past
year. I'm familiar with the fact that the dailies from 1930-1955 have
been collected, but has anyone here got insider knowledge about anybody
having does with the remaining 20 years (1956-1975) worth of strips by
him ? One thing more, as the topic suggests; the Sunday strips from
1932-1938 equally seem not to be collected ? I can understand the
1956-1975, since they're gag-a-gag and would become dull to read after a
while. The Sunday strips were containing a mixture of both adventure and
gag strips.

Is anyone able of making a scans of "Il grande Floyd Gottfredson" ? I
think I read somewhere that the script for the book was lost.

Any help is appreacited.

Thank you,
- --
Mads Jensen

Dansk Donaldist-Forening - http://ddfr.dk
INDUCKS - http://inducks.org
Elaine Ramshaw
Right, Olaf, Donald can tell which nephew he's seeing. But I still think
that he might have been fooled if he hadn't overheard their plans. Someone's
who's not alerted to the fact that look-alikes will switch places is more
likely to be fooled. You simply don't look carefully, because you assume
it's the person you're expecting. That's certainly my experience with
identical twins in the family. If we really looked at them, we could
certainly tell which one we were looking at; but if they switched places,
that would usually lead even family members to confuse them because we
wouldn't look carefully (well, I never confused them, but I had a reputation
to maintain, so I *always* looked first). And incidentally, only the
immediate family could reliably tell them apart even by looking carefully,
when they were children. All others could consistently be fooled
indefinitely if the twins, say, switched seats at school.

This, of course, is a naturalistic explanation of how identical siblings
work, which I bring up only because it seems relevant to the action in WDC
71 (or, at least, to my understanding of the action). I'm quite willing to
go along with the notion that HD&L are preternaturally identical, that the
fact that they are interchangeable in character as well as appearance is, as
Lars put it, the whole *point* of HD&L. And that then you need Donald to
have developed a preternaturally good "eye for detail" in order to tell them
apart! At the same time, I'm interested in how various writers might choose
to deal with this issue in different ways--hence my curiosity re: the
McGreals' "Happy Birthday Times 3".
Donald D. Markstein
Twice, several years apart, Barks mentioned that one of the Beagle Boys
liked prunes. As far as I know, it's the only individual trait he ever
gave a Beagle Boy, who otherwise were almost as much alike as Nephews.
It's also an example of continuity in his stories. And by the way,
that's what initially turned me off to DuckTales -- the fact that you
could tell one Beagle from another without reading his number. They even
had different names. Booo!

Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical
triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In
fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely
identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and
the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.

Quack, Don
Gary Leach
Elaine:

> I'm quite willing to
> go along with the notion that HD&L are preternaturally identical,
> that the
> fact that they are interchangeable in character as well as
> appearance is, as
> Lars put it, the whole *point* of HD&L.

And what makes them fun. Sure, writers have at times instilled
particular nephews with particular physical and/or personality traits
for the sake of specific stories, but so far none of these one-off
traits has become permanently affixed. May it always be so.

Gary
Rich
Chris Barat said:
> re: Don Markstein comment about the Beagle Boys:
> ...They even had different names. Booo!
>
> The "identifying" of Beagles on DT didn't strike me as an
> "inferior" idea in the least -- merely different. Vic Lockman
> created plenty of "specialty" Beagle Boys in his stories. The
> only difference between that convention and the one used on DT
> was that the "specialty" B-Boys still looked like the "regulars"
> (though Intellectual-176 did wear glasses, as I recall).

Intellectual-176 also wore a graduation mortar-board hat (like Goofy's nephew,
Gilbert). To add to your mention about the BBs, you can just look through the COA
Index and there are lots and lots of specialty BBs, some even recurred on several
ocassions. The idea of distinctively NAMED/Identified or even dressed Beagle Boys
didn't originate in DUCKTALES, nor did the idea of individual BBs having specific
or excentric characteristics (like loving prunes or specializing in explosives).

Back to the issue of HDL, I notice there seems to be no room in some peoples' mind
for even the minimalist hint of distinction between the triplets. That's too
bad. For me, I don't really mind the idea of them having or not having distinct
traits. My point has always been (ever since 1992) that there is precidence in
the comics for a COLOR-CODE attached to them... whether HDL have distinctive
personality traits isn't MY issue... ONLY that before DUCKTALES there were some
depictions in comics that assigned a specific COLOR to a specific NAME, and that
when they DID that, they were, from what I noticed, consistent. H = Red, D = Blue
and L = Green (sometimes even having their first initial labeled on the front of
their shirts). That ALL... nothing else was meant to be implied by that. Whether
ALL creators followed or approved of that convention wasn't MY issue... only that
the precidence existed before DuckTales. DuckTales, and later Quack Pack DID,
however, build on that foundation and tried to assign distinctive personality
traits... much, much more obvious in Quack Pack. There was some subtle
distinction only in appearance though, granted HDL in HOUSE OF MOUSE as can bee
seen by their clothing and hairstyles, but it wasn't easy to tell who was who that
way.

I don't see why the color code couldn't apply, when desirable, while allowing for
their personalities to be indistinct. Why is that such a contentious issue???

I've noticed that it's much more difficult to tell Morty and Ferdie appart, even
when they are colored differently, there's rarely a distinction. I can only
recall once seeing an "M" and an "F" on their shirts, but I don't believe it was
in comics (maybe in a Little Golden Book or some other merchandise?).

Thanks,

Rich
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Marvinw
In the link by deanmary, David gave the following:

GERSTEIN: At this point, Gemstone's publishing license covers only the Disney "Standard Characters" - Mickey, Donald, the Silly Symphonies characters and their respective worlds - and some other characters who appeared in WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES

One of the earliest issues of Gemstone included a story with Jose Carioca and Panchito from Three Caballeros.

However some of the most loved Disney characters also appeared in the golden era of WDC&S including:

Dopey, Figaro, Dumbo, Thumper, Gus the Gremlin (appearing in a Dark Horse Comic in Sept.), Brer Rabbit, Bongo, Little Toot, Tinker Bell, and Lady and Tramp.

In MHOP, instead of Bucky Bug and the Big Bad Wolf, I would prefer new stories or reprints of the above.

I hope that Gemstone can get by "Standard Character", at least on a one-off basis.

With huge numbers of DVD's sold of the animated Disney Films, there should be a revitalized interest in the great classic characters.
Marvin Winitz
Kimba1962
Don Markstein wrote:

> Twice, several years apart, Barks mentioned that one of the Beagle Boys
> liked prunes. As far as I know, it's the only individual trait he ever
> gave a Beagle Boy, who otherwise were almost as much alike as Nephews.
> It's also an example of continuity in his stories. And by the way,
> that's what initially turned me off to DuckTales -- the fact that you
> could tell one Beagle from another without reading his number. They even
> had different names. Booo!

The "identifying" of Beagles on DT didn't strike me as an "inferior" idea in the least -- merely different. Vic Lockman created plenty of "specialty" Beagle Boys in his stories. The only difference between that convention and the one used on DT was that the "specialty" B-Boys still looked like the "regulars" (though Intellectual-176 did wear glasses, as I recall).

> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.

Thomson and Thompson from Tintin immediately come to mind. The only difference between them was that one had more curve in his mustache; it was the sort of thing that you'd miss if you blinked. (Given Don Rosa's "An Eye for Detail", I'll bet Donald could have told them apart with little trouble.) And Henry Boltinoff (I think) created Dover and Clover -- oddly enough, also a pair of twin detectives -- for DC Comics in the 1940s.

Chris Barat
Didier Ghez
Hi,

I have just launched this week the Disney History blog and posted today some vintage pages from a Disney comics drawn in Croatia in the '30s. There will be more extremly rare vintage Disney comics from around the world coming soon on that blog.

Disney History blog: http://disneybooks.blogspot.com

Have a great weekend.

Didier
Shad Daly
> From: "Donald D. Markstein" <ddmarkstein at cox.net>
>
> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.

Well, Heckle & Jeckle aren't 100% identical -- one talks with a
British accent, and the other with a Brooklyn accent. And are they
really twins? I didn't even know they were brothers (but I may have
missed that).

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JTorci3511
Everyone:

Don Marksten writes and several others offer replies to the following:

>>Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.>>

What about April, May, and June? Or the Beagle Brats? Okay, so they are
"spinoffs" created to directly counter HD&L (Girls to Boys and Bad to Good),
but they still count!

Beep Beep the Road Runner (The one who spoke in RHYME like Bucky Bug - as
opposed to Chuck Jones' Road Runner) had three identical SONS (!) in the Dell
and Gold Key comics.

...And, didn't Popeye have FOUR identical nephews in the Famous Studios
cartoons?

Joe Torcivia.
Elaine Ramshaw
Gemstone folks: Has Think Box Bollix been scheduled yet for reprinting in
DDF? (I can check previews of all the other comics on Amazon.) My godson
wants to see it as backstory for "The Duck Who Never Was," and I'm wondering
whether I have to get it in an album or back issue from Gladstone, or
whether Gemstone will provide.
Donald D. Markstein
> Thomson and Thompson from _Tintin_ immediately come to mind. The only
> difference between them was that one had more curve in his mustache;
> it was the sort of thing that you'd miss if you blinked. (Given Don
> Rosa's "An Eye for Detail", I'll bet Donald could have told them apart
> with little trouble.) And Henry Boltinoff (I think) created Dover and
> Clover -- oddly enough, also a pair of twin detectives -- for DC
> Comics in the 1940s.

Dover and Clover! Of course! I even wrote about them in the Toonopedia
(http://www.toonopedia.com/doverclo.htm). (And yes, they were created by
Henry Boltinoff.) Don't know how I managed not to be able to think of
them. As for the Thompsons, I'm not a big fan of Tintin. Now that you
mention it, I recall them, but I'd never have thought of them on my own.
And now that I'm thinking a little more about it, there's also Rube
Goldberg's Mike & Ike (they look alike).

>
> Well, Heckle & Jeckle aren't 100% identical -- one talks with a
> British accent, and the other with a Brooklyn accent. And are they
> really twins? I didn't even know they were brothers (but I may have
> missed that).

Sure, Heckle and Jeckle talk differently. But even Dayton Allen, who did
both voices, didn't know which was which. The accents argue against
their actually being brothers, but related or not, they sure were identical!

Quack, Don
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