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Topic: New Carl Barks and Don Rosa Libraries from Gemstone!!!

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Hedberg
The Egmont Starship Carl Barks samlede Værker was produced and printed in Denmark along with the Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian and German editions.

It's okay to co-produce, but do you remember what caos it made, when someone found out that - in a portion of the Danish editions (50 of 1800) - the Duck suddenly spoke German! (I guess of the 1800 buyers, at least 100 were speculators, who has not looked in their books - but in time will try to sell a mint condition Danish/German book, ha ha)

Egmont switched over the "German" books without any delay for the two persons of whom I've heard about - with books imprinted "Forlags kopi" (or something?)

This would not have happened in an all-American book, would it?
Maybe in an Taiwan/Hongkong produced book in English/Malaiian language?
Olivier
Quote from user: Robb_KOlivier: What does this comic strip have to do with this thread? I get the joke in the comic strip. But, surely, I've missed the result you wanted in our seeing and reading it.
I had concluding my previous message by saying that "people could really do with such nice, wholesome comic strips" as Taliaferro's-- hence my use of this Pogo strip on "good clean fun".
Hedberg
I have just checked Egmonts Danish homepage and here is my translation of it:

So we lift the veil of the content of CBSV vol. 9 - the secondlast with Carl Barks' collected Disneycomics.

As usual we again have articles, that is solely writen for the Danish CBSV.

In earlier volumes you've been able to read about Barks' rejected story about the Golden Apples. Barks told, among others, the American Disneycomic-artist Robert Klein about the story. From Barks memories, Klein has sketched the story, and in vol. 9 you can see Klein's sketch of page 8 of the story and read about his meeting with Barks. Here's a little except:

"We also talked about "The Golden Apple Story", that Malcolm had already told me was being dicarded by Barks' Editors. He said, that not alone it was never printed, but that the original drawings had been lost. It was planned for WDC&S # 144 i 1952. Carl told me, that the story was about Daisy's jealousy, that Donald had a crush for the Beautyqueen of the Duckburg Apple Festival. He said his Editor (Chase Craig) thought that Daisy's "rages" over Donald, where she threw "whatsoever in the face of him" was to "unfeminin"."


....this might be of-topic, but I didn't know where to put it (but the fun part for me was that Robb_K is mentioned!)
Robb_K
Quote from user: HedbergI have just checked Egmonts Danish homepage and here is my translation of it:

So we lift the veil of the content of CBSV vol. 9 - the secondlast with Carl Barks' collected Disneycomics.

As usual we again have articles, that is solely writen for the Danish CBSV.

In earlier volumes you've been able to read about Barks' rejected story about the Golden Apples. Barks told, among others, the American Disneycomic-artist Robert Klein about the story. From Barks memories, Klein has sketched the story, and in vol. 9 you can see Klein's sketch of page 8 of the story and read about his meeting with Barks. Here's a little except:

"We also talked about "The Golden Apple Story", that Malcolm had already told me was being dicarded by Barks' Editors. He said, that not alone it was never printed, but that the original drawings had been lost. It was planned for WDC&S # 144 i 1952. Carl told me, that the story was about Daisy's jealousy, that Donald had a crush for the Beautyqueen of the Duckburg Apple Festival. He said his Editor (Chase Craig) thought that Daisy's "rages" over Donald, where she threw "whatsoever in the face of him" was to "unfeminin"."


....this might be of-topic, but I didn't know where to put it (but the fun part for me was that Robb_K is mentioned!)

I'm making here just a few small changes to your translation, as Danish has some tense differences from English, and so, shouldn't be translated verbatim:

I did not talk to Barks in 1952. Nor did I know Malcolm Willits at that time. I first met Carl barks at his house in 1969, after having talked to him on the telephone, having been introduced to him by Willits in 1966.

So, the quotation should read:

"Malcolm had already told me that the story HAD BEEN discarded by Barks' editors. He said, that not only was it never printed, but the original drawings had been lost. It was planned for WDC&S #144 in 1952. Carl told me that the story was about Daisy's jealousy caused by Donald's crush on The Beauty Queen of Duckburg's Apple Festival. His new editor, Chase Craig, thought that Daisy's violent tirades direct at Donald, 'where she threw everything but the kitchen sink at him 'were too unfeminin, and too violent for the little kiddies' ".

That has to be taken in the context of what Barks told me. It was behavior that was too violent to be coming from a character that the readers also had to believe loved Donald. Of course, Craig seems very naïve on this point, as it is exactly the people that profess to love the people they are close to, that so often can be the most violent to them.

The Editor of The German "Carl Barks Collection" has already requested a copy of my article from The Danish Egmont office. So, I have high hopes it will appear in their version as well. I hope it is also used in Gemstone's version, and in an eventual Dutch version (if a Dutch version will be made-many of us have hopes for that).

In addition to my article, there are articles by several others of the people who met Carl Barks as far back as the 1960s and early 1970s, including Malcom Willits, Barbara Boatner and several others (perhaps Don Ault, Tom Andrae, Bill Spicer, Geoffry Blum and other contributors to "The Carl Barks Library). I haven't seen the list, so I don't know who they will be. But I'll be interested to read about their experiences with Mr. Barks.
Hedberg
Thank you for enlighting me, Robb, I've got what I deserve - actually I got more than I deserve, because you provided me with insider-informations that is so dear to me - understanding the relations you had with Mr. Barks ...

Give me more! :)

As for my translation, it only goes to show how much effort one has to put into that work. I just did it as I went along (not verbatim, as you mentioned, isn't the English syntax okay?).

The translation, syllable by syllable, was actually the main problem in the first three sets of books in Denmark (the first seven books, if I'm not wrong). We were arguing with Egmont, that the translation was made with Babelfish, but never got through with our arguments! (Till this day, I think, the Chiefeditor still can't (wont) see the problem!)

I even wrote to Geoffrey Blum, telling him that his articles was next to non-understandable - he admitted that his writing was full of colloquialisms and playfull and ironically at times, so he, himself, could very well understand that it was a demanding job. I look foreward to read his "colloquialisms and playfull and ironically" articles in his native tungue, because 1/3 of them was translated "as a broken leg" (as we playfully and ironically say in Danish!)
Robb_K
Quote from user: HedbergThank you for enlighting me, Robb, I've got what I deserve - actually I got more than I deserve, because you provided me with insider-informations that is so dear to me - understanding the relations you had with Mr. Barks ...

Give me more! :)

As for my translation, it only goes to show how much effort one has to put into that work. I just did it as I went along (not verbatim, as you mentioned, isn't the English syntax okay?).

The translation, syllable by syllable, was actually the main problem in the first three sets of books in Denmark (the first seven books, if I'm not wrong). We were arguing with Egmont, that the translation was made with Babelfish, but never got through with our arguments! (Till this day, I think, the Chiefeditor still can't (wont) see the problem!)

I even wrote to Geoffrey Blum, telling him that his articles was next to non-understandable - he admitted that his writing was full of colloquialisms and playfull and ironically at times, so he, himself, could very well understand that it was a demanding job. I look foreward to read his "colloquialisms and playfull and ironically" articles in his native tungue, because 1/3 of them was translated "as a broken leg" (as we playfully and ironically say in Danish!)

From what I have seen of so-called "translations" by Babelfish and similar programmes, they are not capable of translating ANY paragraph of writing in another language that would result in a readable passage. They can't decipher context, and do not recognise idiomatic phrases, and they "look" in their foreign dictionaries, ONLY for the first listed word, and so often use a word whose meaning bears NO RELATION to the original word in their own language. All these programmes are good for is creating some very, very funny combinations of words.

I hope, with all my heart, that Egmont has NOT used Babelfish for translations. And why should they, when they have such fine English/Dansk translators as Freddy Milton, A.C. Sivebæk and others, who do a fine job? Furthermore, many of their regular staff speak and write English very well. There will be no excuse for their having nonsensical Danish text for articles written originally in English.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: HedbergThe Egmont Starship Carl Barks samlede Værker was produced and printed in Denmark along with the Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian and German editions.

It's okay to co-produce, but do you remember what caos it made, when someone found out that - in a portion of the Danish editions (50 of 1800) - the Duck suddenly spoke German!

I haven't heard about any chaos due to that, no. As far as I know the solution was a simple matter of substituting the afflicted books.

Quote from user: Hedberg(I guess of the 1800 buyers, at least 100 were speculators, who has not looked in their books - but in time will try to sell a mint condition Danish/German book, ha ha)
We must have different senses of humour.

Earlier you wrote:

Quote from user: HedbergI want the American edition of this book, not Ellstree Lithorian Publishinghouse Lt., London...alas, I have recieved books printed i Singapore or Spain etc. when ordering i USA!

Just trying to get the "most" original American version. We are highly globalised, but I can't help it, a Harley Davidson produced in Taiwan isn't a real Harley Davidson. Get it?

And now you write:

Quote from user: Hedberg[The language screw-up] would not have happened in an all-American book, would it?
Maybe in an Taiwan/Hongkong produced book in English/Malaiian language?

OK, I'm getting confused here, so I need to summarize this for myself: you're against an "American edition" that isn't printed in the US because that makes it non-American. Also, you're OK with the books being co-produced, but (I assume) see a co-printing as opening the doors for possible mix-ups leading to some of Country A's pages in Country B's books, as long as that printing isn't made in the US. In other words: you will only accept these books if they are printed in the US.

OK, got it. I don't get, though, why you think the "language switch" would only happen in some non-American part of the world. If an American printing company were printing Carl Barks volumes in English and Malaiian, they would be just as likely to screw up as a company in Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Anyway, let's drop this subject.
Hedberg
Quote from user: HedbergEgmont switched over the "German" books without any delay for the two persons of whom I've heard about - with books imprinted "Forlags kopi" (or something?)
Lars, when you quote please don't edit the parts that doesn't fit your purpose. Ever since I started in this forum, I have felt a sence of patronizing from you!

Quote from user: Hedberg.... I couldn't care less - we're just different! ;)
I agree that I haven't got a scollarship in Donaldism, allthough a lifetime membership (as long as I have a memory of, at least) of this worldwide brotherhood, should qualify me as a "Lifetime Honoury member" :)

As for "the Caos" I mentioned, one could ad "a storm in a cup of water" - depending on where you get your informations from.
We were many who just had had enough, when die Ente plötzlich spracht Deutch. We had tried to convince the Editors - even before the book was printed - that this "CBLiC" in Danish should be the definit, conclusiv Honour to put Mr. Barks on that Piedestal where he belonged!

Sorry to say it, but Egmont put him on a three and a half legged kitchenstool - if you get the drift...

Please, tell about "en Blikkenslagers ven" or haven't you heard about him either?
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: HedbergQuote from user: HedbergEgmont switched over the "German" books without any delay for the two persons of whom I've heard about - with books imprinted "Forlags kopi" (or something?)
Lars, when you quote please don't edit the parts that doesn't fit your purpose. Ever since I started in this forum, I have felt a sence of patronizing from you!

Sorry, I apologize. Sometimes posts (including my own) may address several points at once, so when I want to reply to a specific point, I always try to simplify quotes (including my own) by deleting anything "irrelevant". I just didn't see what the line above (about receiving "forlagskopier") had to do with the alleged chaos. No patronizing intended. :)

Quote from user: HedbergAs for "the Caos" I mentioned, one could ad "a storm in a cup of water" - depending on where you get your informations from.
Again: the fact that some books were misprints didn't lead to chaos, as far as I know. Sorry.

Quote from user: HedbergPlease, tell about "en Blikkenslagers ven" or haven't you heard about him either?
Sure I have, but I honestly don't see what that has to do with the topic at hand. In fact, we're probably getting too off-topic in this thread (which is supposed to be about Gemstone's hopefully-upcoming Barks and Rosa Collections).

And now I've *really* got to step out of this discussion. I've been sick for a week now, due to that freezing weather, and I'm still low on energy.
Mvblair
Quote from user: SigvaldI do hope that many people will buy the Rosa Library too ?? that series will be a dream come true for many Duck-fans.
I will certainly buy the Rosa Library. The cost ($30-$40 + shipping) is not very prohibitive (unless it's really tiny!). I can afford that. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the $100 for the Barks volumes.

Marvel and DC Comics have been printing a lot of old comics in 400+ page volumes for only $20. The printing is not the best, basically advanced newsprint in black and white. I'd love to get something like that for some of the Uncle Scrooge authors. Of course I like the high quality volumes that are being put out, but I'm willing to sacrifice that quality for a more reasonable price. That would be perfect for people who aren't as familiar with Barks, Rosa, etcetera than the collectors.
Quote:Amazon.com: The Don Rosa Collection
Book Description
This is it! Duck fans worldwide, wiggle your webbed feet for joy - the complete, chronological Keno Don Rosa collection is here! Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Donald Duck, and Huey, Dewey, and Louie headline a cast of classic Carl Barks bit-players, reinvigorated in fighting trim for Don's first 1987-1988 triumphs: "Son of the Sun," "Nobody's Business," "Mythological Menagerie," "Last Sled to Dawson," "Metaphorically Spanking" and more. Restored, recolored, and furnished with numerous editorial features, here's the first in a cracking, wakking Gemstone multi-volume series!

Quote:Amazon.com: The Carl Barks Collection
Book Description
It's here - a ten-volume hardback set collecting Carl Barks' complete Disney comics cycle! Remastered in more exceptional quality and color than earlier editions, the great tales of Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Gladstone Gander, and Gyro Gearloose are accompanied by a vast selection of archival rarities and fascinating new editorials by lifetime Barks scholar Geoffrey Blum. This initial boxed set includes Barks' very first 1940s adventures, including "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold," "The Mummy's Ring," and "Pluto Saves the Ship!"
Roger North
I would think about buying those collections but they would probably be so expensive.
Morequack
Quote from user: Roger NorthI would think about buying those collections but they would probably be so expensive.
Yes, we are sort of slaves to our passions but there's gotta be a limit. I mean, how many total volumes are being planned? Probably too many for my pocketbook. I have two children to put through college...

Besides, I cannot see the practicality of spending literally thousands of $$$ on reprints of stories most of which we already own/have read and possibly will never read again! How many versions of the same thing do we need? (Sorry to be a such a [Dickens'] Scrooge... bah, humbug!) But somewhere between the grassy fields of wanting and having there exists a very narrow and rocky road known as reason??most often one cannot find it on a map.

Happy Easter!
Hedberg
The library is by far the most complete I have heard of (and seen) - so please do consider it again.

Only thing I must ask of Gemstone is - NOT to take the colours that Egmont used in the first three sets!
The past five or six sets are much more in the FC, U$, WDC&S-mode and really a joy to read...
It's full value for all the money !!
Hedberg
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Roger NorthI would think about buying those collections but they would probably be so expensive.
Yes, we are sort of slaves to our passions but there's gotta be a limit. I mean, how many total volumes are being planned? Probably too many for my pocketbook. I have two children to put through college...

Happy Easter!

I missed your question about how many! It's 30 books - three books in each set = ten sets all in all...

But Egmont is considering to send out nine books further = tree sets more - with Barks' non-Disney's Barney Bear, Droopie (Porgy Pig, I guess?) and the Donkey (sorry, slipped my mind!) - his Calgary Eye Opener and all his drawings for Story-boards, his oil-paintings and the lot...
I, for one, said YES!

B.t.w. a Happy Easter to you too...
Olivier
Quote from user: HedbergBut Egmont is considering to send out nine books further = tree sets more - with Barks' non-Disney's Barney Bear, Droopie (Porgy Pig, I guess?) and the Donkey (sorry, slipped my mind!) - his Calgary Eye Opener and all his drawings for Story-boards, his oil-paintings and the lot...
An excellent idea!
Somewhere down the line, an new, individual (ie, not part of a set, for those interested in it only) book of Barks' painting (an updated version of the first hardcover) would be most welcome.

Happy Easter!

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