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Topic: New Carl Barks and Don Rosa Libraries from Gemstone!!!

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Roger North
Thanks for agreeing with me Morequack.
Mvblair
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Roger NorthI would think about buying those collections but they would probably be so expensive.
Yes, we are sort of slaves to our passions but there's gotta be a limit. I mean, how many total volumes are being planned? Probably too many for my pocketbook. I have two children to put through college...

Besides, I cannot see the practicality of spending literally thousands of $$$ on reprints of stories most of which we already own/have read and possibly will never read again! How many versions of the same thing do we need? (Sorry to be a such a [Dickens'] Scrooge... bah, humbug!) But somewhere between the grassy fields of wanting and having there exists a very narrow and rocky road known as reason??most often one cannot find it on a map.

Well, there are a lot of people (like me) who don't have any of the collectible volumes. There are also a lot of young fans who could enjoy the collections as well, which is why I would love to see some cheaper, lower quality volumes. Nice packages are always fun, but I want to read the stories over and over, especially during these long winters that Ohio is having!
Dean Rekich
Quote from user: mvblairMarvel and DC Comics have been printing a lot of old comics in 400+ page volumes for only $20. The printing is not the best, basically advanced newsprint in black and white. I'd love to get something like that for some of the Uncle Scrooge authors. Of course I like the high quality volumes that are being put out, but I'm willing to sacrifice that quality for a more reasonable price. That would be perfect for people who aren't as familiar with Barks, Rosa, etcetera than the collectors.
When Gemstone cancelled all of its titles but US and WDC&S in late 2006, they said they were planning on printing some B/W titles like you described. However, later they said they could not do so as they could not publish them for a good price point. I hope they consider the idea again sometime though, as I agree that such volumes would be quite good at reaching more readers that won't pay $7.95 for a 64 page color comic.
JeffT
I would be happiest if Gemstone could find a way to print the Barks stories, sans all the extras, in an affordable series of color trade paperbacks. The fancy hardcover prints would still be available for those who desired that format, and I could more easily feed my kids (and my own) Barks addiction!
As that is exceedingly unlikely, I suppose I will find a way to own these collected works through various means outside of my budget and upset my wife. I still am a reader first, collector second, so $150 ($95 on Amazon) is a steep price indeed, even for this.
By the way, first post here, hello everyone!
Hedberg
Quote from user: JeffT... I will find a way to own these collected works through various means outside of my budget and upset my wife.
By the way, first post here, hello everyone!

Welcome JeffT

Somehow, I think, we all lead somekind'a clandestine lives...
Admittedly, one should allways tell the truth, but as long as it is just a platonic loveaffair, I guess she'll forgive me!

:D
Olivier
Hi and welcome Jeff!

Quote from user: JeffTI still am a reader first, collector second, so $150 ($95 on Amazon) is a steep price indeed, even for this.
It's a lot for me too, but I think the main difference in the end is that individual albums make for smaller purchases; you can spread the total purchase over a long period, and even not buy some issues.

Gladstone's softcover CBL albums were $8.95 or $9.95 each; this would probably be $10 each today, to make things easier, and there were 140. That's $1400 in all.
Ten sets at $100 will cost $1000.
(plus shipping in both cases).
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Mvblair
Quote from user: Dean RekichWhen Gemstone cancelled all of its titles but US and WDC&S in late 2006, they said they were planning on printing some B/W titles like you described. However, later they said they could not do so as they could not publish them for a good price point. I hope they consider the idea again sometime though, as I agree that such volumes would be quite good at reaching more readers that won't pay $7.95 for a 64 page color comic.
I didn't know that Gemstone considered doing that! That's good news. Perhaps they will consider doing it again in the future. At least they're not against doing it. I even saw at the comic book store that Dark Horse is publishing old Casper stories in 500 page volumes with glossy pages, mostly black and white with some color stories, for only $20. I wonder why that's not economically feasible for Gemstone?
JeffT
Quote from user: OlivierGladstone's softcover CBL albums were $8.95 or $9.95 each; this would probably be $10 each today, to make things easier, and there were 140. That's $1400 in all.
Ten sets at $100 will cost $1000.
(plus shipping in both cases).
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I see what you're saying, but I again feel they are pricing for the collector and not the fan, even with those softcovers. Given they don't have to pay any additional rights (surely this is correct?) it doesn't cost them any more to reprint Barks than it does Don Rosa, say.
If they can publish the Life and Times of Scrooge for $17.95 USD, they could publish 3 Barks 280+ page softcovers for the same price (each). That's about half the price of these slipcase hardcovers, and would be even cheaper online. I guess the problem is despite what I want, the US market for Disney comics is very small, and they would not make much money on such a thing. I should be happy if they end up completing this HC library, and will be. Sorry to be so glum and grim in my first posts. It may not have appeared so, but I'm very happy that Gemstone is providing us here in the US with an opportunity to read Disney comics. :)
At least for now I have the "Carl Barks greatest Ducktales" books (and the Rosa trades) to share with my kids at a great price point.
JeffT
Quote from user: mvblairI even saw at the comic book store that Dark Horse is publishing old Casper stories in 500 page volumes with glossy pages, mostly black and white with some color stories, for only $20. I wonder why that's not economically feasible for Gemstone?
Probably for the reason I mentioned above, there simply isn't a large enough market. That's also likely why DH isn't doing complete archives of the Harvey books, but rather these "best of" compilations. I have the Richie Rich one and it is an excellent format though. If I hadn't already psychologically committed myself now to the HC Barks libraries, I'd definitely go for an alternative like this. :)
Olivier
Quote from user: JeffTI see what you're saying, but I again feel they are pricing for the collector and not the fan, even with those softcovers. [...]
I guess the problem is despite what I want, the US market for Disney comics is very small, and they would not make much money on such a thing.

It is a rather limited readership, indeed, I'm afraid.
Many readers would like a third title and b&w paperbacks. Should the two major titles (and the potential third one) downgrade to simpler paper to reduce the printing costs and make them more affordable, to open up the market?
Or is it better to produce more "one-shot" softcovers that contain more stories, will be carried by bookstores, and may appeal more to casual readers?

Yet how much could this affect the cost of the "Library" editions?
JeffT
Quote from user: OlivierOr is it better to produce more "one-shot" softcovers that contain more stories, will be carried by bookstores, and may appeal more to casual readers?
Obviously it's impossible to predict how Disney comics would do in that marketplace, but you can look to DC and Marvel as a guide, perhaps. Both companies are having worse sales since 1995 or so than ever in the history of comics (though they have improved in the last half decade, they are still very low comparatively speaking). BUT, they have actually gained ground and become more profitable because of a healthy trade market through bookstores and popular online merchants. This is because there is a much, much wider audience to reach. To get comics I typically have to go to a local shop that specializes in them, or find a reputable online dealer who also specializes in them. As a comic fan, I'm going there anyway, so no big deal, IF my shop stocks them (not a given). But, how many people go there, or even know where to find one? Until a few months ago I hadn't even realized there were still Disney comics to buy, and I've been collecting comics for 20 years! To get trades, I go to any bookstore or Amazon.com, you're connecting with the casual reader as well. I think any solution that gets comics out in front of people is good by me...provided it's economically feasible for Gemstone of course.
Dean Rekich
Quote from user: OlivierMany readers would like a third title and b&w paperbacks. Should the two major titles (and the potential third one) downgrade to simpler paper to reduce the printing costs and make them more affordable, to open up the market?
Or is it better to produce more "one-shot" softcovers that contain more stories, will be carried by bookstores, and may appeal more to casual readers?

As far as Gemstone going back to printing its titles on newsprint for a cheaper price, I don't think that is an option for them. The reason given for cancelling the newsstand titles with the newsstand format was that they could not make money on them, even if they raised the price to $3.95 an issue. While I in no way can speak for Gemstone, I would *guess* that they would be thrilled if newsstand titles were still possible from an economic point of view. Sadly that no longer seems a option.

Does anyone think though that many kids were reading DD&F and MM&F anyways? While I loved both titles and miss them *very* much, I really do not think many children were reading them. Hopefully I am wrong, but I just think the ship has sailed on kids reading Disney comics in North America. While that sounds sad, and *is* sad, I must also state that I don't think kids are reading much of *any* comic books any more! :( My nephew is 19 years old and I don't think he has read a single comic book in his life, not through lack of effort on my part though. I doubt most of his friends have read a comic book either. It just is not something kids do anymore.

I have to question the idea that "one-shot" softcovers or hardcovers for that matter will be carried by bookstores. Yes, Amazon and other online bookstores carry the two prestige titles and the one-shots. They also used to carry the "pocket format" titles as well. However, do any or many brick and mortar bookstores actually carry Gemstone titles?

I myself have never seen any Gemstone titles of any sort in a Barnes and Nobles or Borders bookstore. Has anyone one in the U.S. every seen any Gemstone titles at either of these two big chain bookstores? If so, please write and tells us about it. I have looked through the years and not see one.

So even though I am *thrilled* with the Gottfredson, Rosa, and Barks' libraries being planned, I doubt any of them will end up at any of the big U.S. bookstores either. Hopefully I am wrong though.

Also, I don't think there is any reason to think that "one-shots" will appeal to casual readers more than a 3rd monthly prestige title. The reason is that I don't think Disney comics in *general* appeal to casual readers. I doubt that *any* format of Disney comics would appeal to many casual readers. That is one of the many reasons why I feel so strongly that Gemstone should publish a 3rd monthly title. Those of us that buy the 2 monthly titles each month are *far* from casual readers -- when it comes to Disney comics you can say that we already have "drunk the Kool-Aid". :) I think most of us that buy each two each month would likely buy a third each month. Of course I may be wrong, but I really wish Gemstone would give a 3rd monthly title a chance. Until they do, how can they tell if there is support for a 3rd monthly title or not? Why couldn't Gemstone try a 3rd monthly title for a six month "trial run"? If the numbers held up, the could keep the 3rd monthly title as an on-going. If sales did not go well, then at least they would have tried and all it would have cost them was a 6 month trial run.

As far as formats of publishing comics go, I doubt 20 years from now in North America there will be Disney comics in a newsstand or prestige format. That is not because I have a bleak view of Disney comics though. That is because in 20 years, I doubt there will many comics from *any* companies in the traditional "floppy" or "pamphlet" formats. I think they will still be around for a number of years yet, but it seems the writing is on the wall for them in the long run. Already in North America, DC and Marvel publish more and more collections in the trade paperback (TPB) format. At this time though, most of the TPB collections are reprints of a number of issues of a monthly "pamphlet" title. How much longer is it going to take though for them to just skip the "middle man" (the monthly "pamphlet" issues) and publish straight to TPBs to begin with? If I were presented with the option of A: twelve monthly issues of Superhero "X" or B: two semi-annual Superhero "X" TPBs, I would gladly pick option B.

Which brings me to me oddest idea. Now I don't think that there is any real chance of Gemstone ever doing this, but here it goes. What if instead of 3 monthly prestige format titles of 64 pages each at $7.95, Gemstone published *one* monthly TPB of 192 pages for say $19.95? In essence, what if Gemstone would publish the equivalent of a "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB each and every month? I know I am in the minority, but I actually would love that! Instead of getting 2 or 3 titles each month and putting them in long comic book boxes, each month I could put a new Disney TPB on my bookshelf!

Well, I have rambled on long enough and probably somewhat off-topic. Feel free to tell me what ideas of mine you like and which (much more likely :)) ideas of mine that you think are plain nuts!
RancidDuck
Quote from user: Dean RekichI myself have never seen any Gemstone titles of any sort in a Barnes and Nobles or Borders bookstore. Has anyone one in the U.S. every seen any Gemstone titles at either of these two big chain bookstores? If so, please write and tells us about it. I have looked through the years and not see one.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it, but I did see two of the Mickey Mouse Take-A-Long comics in the local Books-A-Million. I got excited and thought, yes, maybe more people will see the comics and they will be more accessible to everyone. But, those two were the first and last that I have ever seen anywhere but the comic shop.

It would be great if other stores would carry them, I have to drive about 45-50 miles to the nearest comic shop. They do save them for me, so I only have to make the drive once a month.

Quote:Does anyone think though that many kids were reading DD&F and MM&F anyways? While I loved both titles and miss them *very* much, I really do not think many children were reading them. Hopefully I am wrong, but I just think the ship has sailed on kids reading Disney comics in North America. While that sounds sad, and *is* sad, I must also state that I don't think kids are reading much of *any* comic books any more! My nephew is 19 years old and I don't think he has read a single comic book in his life, not through lack of effort on my part though. I doubt most of his friends have read a comic book either. It just is not something kids do anymore.
I sadly have to agree with you on this one, I too believe that kids are not the ones reading the Disney comics or any other comics. In the past 4or 5 years I have seen only a few kids at the comic shop. Of course if the comics were more accessible then their reading them might change. When I was little, in the late 70's and early 80's, comics where everywhere. I remember getting them in convenience stores and grocery stores all the time.

Why not get the Disney Stores to carry and display the comics, tons of kids go in those stores. They could even put a commercial on the Disney Channel to inform people they are available. I know that this will never happen, just a thought that I believe would help. Disney should be happy to promote Gemstone comics, since they contain their characters. Many parents would be happy to buy their kids Disney comics, but probably don't even know they still exist.

Quote:Which brings me to me oddest idea. Now I don't think that there is any real chance of Gemstone ever doing this, but here it goes. What if instead of 3 monthly prestige format titles of 64 pages each at $7.95, Gemstone published *one* monthly TPB of 192 pages for say $19.95? In essence, what if Gemstone would publish the equivalent of a "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB each and every month? I know I am in the minority, but I actually would love that! Instead of getting 2 or 3 titles each month and putting them in long comic book boxes, each month I could put a new Disney TPB on my bookshelf!
I have to say I enjoy the monthly titles, it would be a shame for these two titles to end. I was sad when the Donald and Mickey titles were canceled. Comics & Stories has been around since the 40's, you just don't want that to stop. But, I would still purchase whatever form the comics came in.
Morequack
Indeed, I don't think I have ever seen kids in the comic shop that I go to. Almost all customers are adults in their thirties or older.
JeffT
Quote from user: RancidDuckWhy not get the Disney Stores to carry and display the comics, tons of kids go in those stores. They could even put a commercial on the Disney Channel to inform people they are available. I know that this will never happen, just a thought that I believe would help. Disney should be happy to promote Gemstone comics, since they contain their characters. Many parents would be happy to buy their kids Disney comics, but probably don't even know they still exist.
This would be a great idea. For whatever reason they (and their counterparts in the superhero comics arena) just don't promote the comics at every opportunity they should. I guess in this case it's possibly because it's a license and not a direct Disney property. That's too bad.
Kids are a rare thing at the comics shop, sadly, but I have noticed recently more kids starting to show up, probably thanks to movies like the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, and the . It's been enough that my shops owner set up a medium-sized kids section which features about 50% Disney. It's thanks to this that my kids have become massive Duck fans, to my great pleasure.
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