Thanks for the report & the pictures, Sigvlad!
:)
Quote from user: SigvaldSo, shortly said, besides having experienced increasing problems with his vision, Don Rosa has lost the inspiration needed to do more stories.
Rather than a loss of "inspiration" in the poetic sense, I think it's rather (understandable) frustration with the system and ultimate weariness.
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Sigvaldc) Finally, he has had enough of the way many publishers treats him. In the interview he in particular mentioned the publishers in Brazil and Greece, where (according to him) they keeps using his name in order in to increase the sales of their products. Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co.
c) [...] I didn't know that publishers (Greece and Brazil) must get Don Rosa's permission in order to print his name in their comics. Actually I don't find that reasonable, unless I misunderstood Sigvald's statement. Do other artists need to provide approval for a pub. to print his name in an advertisement or article? I suppose it depends on the individual's contract with a publisher?
I think it's rather a cynical observation, namely, that not only do Disney artists not get paid royalties when his material is used in a comic, because he does not own the characters, but if they were, that share would be even bigger in the case of the big names.
Additionally, Don is lamenting the fact that what he does own is being re-used freely, without paying him a cent, as it is assimilated to Disney material, either because it is indeed related to it (notes), or because it is considered as added bonus to Disney material, and therefore as Disney material (a syllogism).
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Topic: Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
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Olivier
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 61 -
2008-06-10 at 17:54:34
Morequack
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 62 -
2008-06-10 at 18:21:17
Quote from user: OlivierQuote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Sigvaldc) Finally, he has had enough of the way many publishers treats him. In the interview he in particular mentioned the publishers in Brazil and Greece, where (according to him) they keeps using his name in order in to increase the sales of their products. Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co.
c) [...] I didn't know that publishers (Greece and Brazil) must get Don Rosa's permission in order to print his name in their comics. Actually I don't find that reasonable, unless I misunderstood Sigvald's statement. Do other artists need to provide approval for a pub. to print his name in an advertisement or article? I suppose it depends on the individual's contract with a publisher?
I think it's rather a cynical observation, namely, that not only do Disney artists not get paid royalties when his material is used in a comic, because he does not own the characters, but if they were, that share would be even bigger in the case of the big names.
Additionally, Don is lamenting the fact that what he does own is being re-used freely, without paying him a cent, as it is assimilated to Disney material, either because it is indeed related to it (notes), or because it is considered as added bonus to Disney material, and therefore as Disney material (a syllogism).
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.... I'm sorry, I don't understand your point. Can you rephrase in more simple terms? Thanks.
(And whose observation are you referring to as cynical?)
c) [...] I didn't know that publishers (Greece and Brazil) must get Don Rosa's permission in order to print his name in their comics. Actually I don't find that reasonable, unless I misunderstood Sigvald's statement. Do other artists need to provide approval for a pub. to print his name in an advertisement or article? I suppose it depends on the individual's contract with a publisher?
I think it's rather a cynical observation, namely, that not only do Disney artists not get paid royalties when his material is used in a comic, because he does not own the characters, but if they were, that share would be even bigger in the case of the big names.
Additionally, Don is lamenting the fact that what he does own is being re-used freely, without paying him a cent, as it is assimilated to Disney material, either because it is indeed related to it (notes), or because it is considered as added bonus to Disney material, and therefore as Disney material (a syllogism).
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.... I'm sorry, I don't understand your point. Can you rephrase in more simple terms? Thanks.
(And whose observation are you referring to as cynical?)
Cacou
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 63 -
2008-06-10 at 21:01:03
I've heard Don Rosa trade-marked the name "Don Rosa".
That's a way (or that was a way) for him to complain about using his name on books cover. He can not complain about copyright violation as his Disney work is owned by Disney.
That's a way (or that was a way) for him to complain about using his name on books cover. He can not complain about copyright violation as his Disney work is owned by Disney.
Morequack
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 64 -
2008-06-10 at 21:15:52
Quote from user: cacouI've heard Don Rosa trade-marked the name "Don Rosa".
That's a way (or that was a way) for him to complain about using his name on books cover. He can not complain about copyright violation as his Disney work is owned by Disney.
So, if a newspaper or magazine reported or wrote an editorial about Don Rosa, would they be in violation of a © law? That would be ridiculous. How can Don Rosa "enforce" such a ©?
That's a way (or that was a way) for him to complain about using his name on books cover. He can not complain about copyright violation as his Disney work is owned by Disney.
So, if a newspaper or magazine reported or wrote an editorial about Don Rosa, would they be in violation of a © law? That would be ridiculous. How can Don Rosa "enforce" such a ©?
Cacou
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 65 -
2008-06-10 at 21:42:27
I think this was when his name is used as an argument for selling more copies, e.g. Don Rosa libraries, where his name is the main title of a series of books and is prominently shown on the covers.
I know Hachette's Picsou received legal complaints from Don Rosa's lawyers at one point.
I know Hachette's Picsou received legal complaints from Don Rosa's lawyers at one point.
Timoro
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 66 -
2008-06-10 at 22:28:07
Thanks, Sigvald for very detailed info!
I think Don is mostly annoyed by this part of the copyright issue:
Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co.
So even if his duck comics are © Disney, all the other extra stuff is definitely © Don Rosa, quite simple.
Timo
I think Don is mostly annoyed by this part of the copyright issue:
Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co.
So even if his duck comics are © Disney, all the other extra stuff is definitely © Don Rosa, quite simple.
Timo
LadyQuackly
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 67 -
2008-06-11 at 00:52:43
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: LadyQuacklyQuote from user: Roger NorthRomano Scarpa is dead. I don't know who does the Tio Patinhas in Brazil but I'm sure he might do a good job.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that. Dang, I'll miss him. :(
I tried to get some information about Tio Patinhas, but the comics were made up of assorted cartoonists
(including Rosa and Barks), so I guess it's not by any one person. I imagine there's still some good artists out there, though. :)
There are several Brasilian artists, too. You can look them up on COA, at: www.inducks.org
Thank you much! :) They've got lots of good stuff on that site, too. :)
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that. Dang, I'll miss him. :(
I tried to get some information about Tio Patinhas, but the comics were made up of assorted cartoonists
(including Rosa and Barks), so I guess it's not by any one person. I imagine there's still some good artists out there, though. :)
There are several Brasilian artists, too. You can look them up on COA, at: www.inducks.org
Thank you much! :) They've got lots of good stuff on that site, too. :)
Roger North
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 68 -
2008-06-11 at 11:03:00
So the rumor is true Don Rosa is retiring.
Olivier
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 69 -
2008-06-11 at 11:34:29
Quote from user: Morequack.... I'm sorry, I don't understand your point. Can you rephrase in more simple terms? Thanks.
(And whose observation are you referring to as cynical?)
And I'm sorry I was not any help.
François & Timo's messages since then have made things clearer and even added important information, so I guess I need not add anything-- except that I was thinking of Don Rosa; I understand his mix of frustration, bitterness and cynicism, which many aother authors/artists (Disney or not) must have shared over the years.
(And whose observation are you referring to as cynical?)
And I'm sorry I was not any help.
François & Timo's messages since then have made things clearer and even added important information, so I guess I need not add anything-- except that I was thinking of Don Rosa; I understand his mix of frustration, bitterness and cynicism, which many aother authors/artists (Disney or not) must have shared over the years.
JeffT
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 70 -
2008-06-11 at 13:51:39
Quote from user: SigvaldWhen asked he said he expects that the extra art will be included in Gemstone's "Don Rosa Library". He was actually much more worried about weather Gemstone would manage to stay in business in the future.
All due sympathy to Don Rosa and his eye problems - and I certainly wish him all the best and that we could look forward to more of his work down the road - the idea of Gemstone closing down is far more disturbing to me. Their books are the only regular monthlies I'm still buying. It's a highlight for me and my kids to read together whenever they come out.
All due sympathy to Don Rosa and his eye problems - and I certainly wish him all the best and that we could look forward to more of his work down the road - the idea of Gemstone closing down is far more disturbing to me. Their books are the only regular monthlies I'm still buying. It's a highlight for me and my kids to read together whenever they come out.
Mcduck_Enterprises
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 71 -
2008-06-11 at 15:13:36
I don't think there is anything to fear as far as Gemstone shutting down. As discussed in previous threads, they have much more in store for the future. The price may rise, the distribution may wane, but they'll keep on going....Regardless, with Disney starting Kingdom Comics as so many other potential bidders out there, Uncle Scrooge and WDC&S will probably be around for a long, long time regardless of who's brand is on the cover. Just think, Uncle Scrooge has been under 6 different brands in the USA since debut! (all in coinciding issue #'s might I add...:)) I think Disney Comics fans will be okay in the long run.
Morequack
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 72 -
2008-06-11 at 16:06:27
Quote from user: Mcduck_EnterprisesI don't think there is anything to fear as far as Gemstone shutting down. As discussed in previous threads, they have much more in store for the future. The price may rise, the distribution may wane, but they'll keep on going....Regardless, with Disney starting Kingdom Comics as so many other potential bidders out there, Uncle Scrooge and WDC&S will probably be around for a long, long time regardless of who's brand is on the cover. Just think, Uncle Scrooge has been under 6 different brands in the USA since debut! (all in coinciding issue #'s might I add...:)) I think Disney Comics fans will be okay in the long run.
I certainly hope you're right. However, business is business?and ultimately, Gemstone Publishing is a business?and in business anything can happen at any time and often does. As you recall Disney comics did "shut down" from 1984-1986 and again from 1999-2003. Could happen again. With the digital world upon us to stay, less and less people are reading, particularly the younger generation.
I certainly hope you're right. However, business is business?and ultimately, Gemstone Publishing is a business?and in business anything can happen at any time and often does. As you recall Disney comics did "shut down" from 1984-1986 and again from 1999-2003. Could happen again. With the digital world upon us to stay, less and less people are reading, particularly the younger generation.
LadyQuackly
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 73 -
2008-06-11 at 17:29:54
Quote from user: SigvaldI was at KOMIKS too and watched that interview. Don Rosa came up with several reasons why he has stopped doing new stories:
a)
His vision has became worse and worse the last 5-10 years. Thus it has become more and more demanding for him to draw such tiny and detailed art as seen in his stories. I have met him several times since 2001, but this last time is the only time that his vision-trouble has been obvious.
b)
When he sold a part of his comics collection a few years ago, he ended up earning more money in 6 months than he earned during 6 years doing stories for Egmont. The last few years he has also learned that his stories are now being republished over and over again making more profit for the publishers.
c)
Finally, he has had enough of the way many publishers treats him. In the interview he in particular mentioned the publishers in Brazil and Greece, where (according to him) they keeps using his name in order in to increase the sales of their products. Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co. These publishers are actually treating his bonus-material as if it was Disney's material like his stories.
For the most recent Rosa-book in the Hall of Fame series (book 6) Don Rosa specially asked Egmont to include a © Don Rosa in start of the book. This line however only appeared in the Norwegian edition. It is missing in both the Danish and the Swedish editions. During the KOMIKS both the Danes and the Swedes made it very clear though, that they would never have removed that line of text by them selves. So somehow the central editorial office for the HOF series, in Norway seems to have forgotten to distribute that information to the other publishers.
Don Rosa is also disappointed that so far, the extra art he has made for the multi-part versions of his long stories, have not been included in the HOF series. Egmont claims that the readers don't want it, but it seems that Rosa has got another impression about that matter, and as always he is the one who ends up being asked by many fans about why that art is missing in the HOF-series, etc. Anyway he thinks that that art should have been included in order to provide a complete presentation of his work ? as was originally said to be the intention of the Rosa-books in the HOF-series.
When asked he said he expects that the extra art will be included in Gemstone's "Don Rosa Library". He was actually much more worried about weather Gemstone would manage to stay in business in the future.
So, shortly said, besides having experienced increasing problems with his vision, Don Rosa has lost the inspiration needed to do more stories.
The eye "thing" alone would be reason enough for Rosa to throw in the towel, but I don't like the way they're treating him. What I know of copyright issues would fill up a thimble; but Disney "property"
or not, Rosa WAS the author of these stories and as such, deserved better than he apparently got.
I must confess, I was annoyed at Egmont anyway because of his attitude about Ludwig von Drake (but then, as a devout Von Drake fan I'm biased anyway. :) ). I also felt he was limiting Rosa's creativity far too much. But I'd hate to think Rosa's been taken for granted (and maybe taken to the
cleaners) on top of everything else. But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong. *shrugs*
a)
His vision has became worse and worse the last 5-10 years. Thus it has become more and more demanding for him to draw such tiny and detailed art as seen in his stories. I have met him several times since 2001, but this last time is the only time that his vision-trouble has been obvious.
b)
When he sold a part of his comics collection a few years ago, he ended up earning more money in 6 months than he earned during 6 years doing stories for Egmont. The last few years he has also learned that his stories are now being republished over and over again making more profit for the publishers.
c)
Finally, he has had enough of the way many publishers treats him. In the interview he in particular mentioned the publishers in Brazil and Greece, where (according to him) they keeps using his name in order in to increase the sales of their products. Also some non-Egmont publishers are translating all extra-material written by him for the Hall of Fame books, even though the texts, the illustrations from The Pertwillaby Papers and Don's childhood material is © Don Rosa *not* © Disney Co. These publishers are actually treating his bonus-material as if it was Disney's material like his stories.
For the most recent Rosa-book in the Hall of Fame series (book 6) Don Rosa specially asked Egmont to include a © Don Rosa in start of the book. This line however only appeared in the Norwegian edition. It is missing in both the Danish and the Swedish editions. During the KOMIKS both the Danes and the Swedes made it very clear though, that they would never have removed that line of text by them selves. So somehow the central editorial office for the HOF series, in Norway seems to have forgotten to distribute that information to the other publishers.
Don Rosa is also disappointed that so far, the extra art he has made for the multi-part versions of his long stories, have not been included in the HOF series. Egmont claims that the readers don't want it, but it seems that Rosa has got another impression about that matter, and as always he is the one who ends up being asked by many fans about why that art is missing in the HOF-series, etc. Anyway he thinks that that art should have been included in order to provide a complete presentation of his work ? as was originally said to be the intention of the Rosa-books in the HOF-series.
When asked he said he expects that the extra art will be included in Gemstone's "Don Rosa Library". He was actually much more worried about weather Gemstone would manage to stay in business in the future.
So, shortly said, besides having experienced increasing problems with his vision, Don Rosa has lost the inspiration needed to do more stories.
The eye "thing" alone would be reason enough for Rosa to throw in the towel, but I don't like the way they're treating him. What I know of copyright issues would fill up a thimble; but Disney "property"
or not, Rosa WAS the author of these stories and as such, deserved better than he apparently got.
I must confess, I was annoyed at Egmont anyway because of his attitude about Ludwig von Drake (but then, as a devout Von Drake fan I'm biased anyway. :) ). I also felt he was limiting Rosa's creativity far too much. But I'd hate to think Rosa's been taken for granted (and maybe taken to the
cleaners) on top of everything else. But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong. *shrugs*
Roger North
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 74 -
2008-06-11 at 18:26:08
I'm sure there could be lots of different reasons for Don Rosa's retirement. I sent him an E-mail wishing him good luck on his retirement.
Morequack
Don Rosa's Detached Retina Update
Message 75 -
2008-06-11 at 18:37:59
Quote from user: Roger NorthI'm sure there could be lots of different reasons for Don Rosa's retirement. I sent him an E-mail wishing him good luck on his retirement.
Is his e-mail publicly available?
Is his e-mail publicly available?