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Topic: Ludwig Von Drake

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Robb_K
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: Robb_KI beg to differ! Your style and Tim's are EXTREMELY different!
Tim? Are you talking to me (Bruno Kops being Tim) or Bruno (me being Tim)? Either way, neither of us is McDuck Menu, or I missed something big.
Quote from user: Robb_KI don't suppose you think your style is like mine, too?
No, not really. But I think I need to change my earlier sentence.
Indeed, it's not exactly how I draw, it's how I've had it in my mind for years, how I WANT to draw. But I don't think I'm ever going to draw like that. I've been doodling Ducks for 7 years now, and I'm still not that good. I'm not really a natural talent at drawing. :(
Shall we get back on topic again, and discuss this on McDrake (topic: Stromingen)?

You are right. I referred to Bruno as "Tim". Sorry, - I forgot for the moment whose style you said yours was like.

I drew Ludwig without spats. Does he always wear spats? I didn't remember that being the case. Spats were worn by rich people and people who wanted to look "fancy". Most university professors dressed simply, "modestly" (not fancy).
David K
I think Ludwig deserves to wear spats.
Robb_K
I have looked at his comic books, and seen that he did NOT wear spats.
David K
I know.
Quote from user: David KopsI also gave him spats, because I thought they suited the character well.
Sim
Quote from user: David KopsI know.
Quote from user: David KopsI also gave him spats, because I thought they suited the character well.

I think he needs them. I mean, he is not rich, but he cannot walk on bare feet as Donald do, and shoes are too much invasive, in my opinion obviously. ;)
Robb_K
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: David KopsI know.
Quote from user: David KopsI also gave him spats, because I thought they suited the character well.

I think he needs them. I mean, he is not rich, but he cannot walk on bare feet as Donald do, and shoes are too much invasive, in my opinion obviously. ;)

Why so? Is he a TENDERfoot? University professors don't walk on sharp rocks and hot desert sands? Of course Donald and his nephews and Daisy do.
Chabacano
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: ChabacanoAs if it wasn't confused enough the kinship between Ludwing and the other Disney Ducks...
The relationship between Ludwig and the other Ducks is very straightforward: Ludwig is Donald Duck's uncle. It was established in the old TV cartoons.

Hi, Mr. Jensen! I'm your fan! I truly appreciate the way how you respect Dick Kinney and Al Hubbard's legacy by using some of their great characters every now and then, mainly Fethry, of course. I'd like to read that story you wrote with Belle Duck, but unfortunately this one wasn't published in Brazil yet... I really like Belle! She's a woman with strong personality, such as Brigitta and Glittering. She's a daring girl!

Back to the point of your reply: Well, I've learnt to love Al Taliaferro's strips, as I said before somewhere here in this forum, and I've also learnt that Ludwig was truly created to be Donald's uncle reading some of his strips. And I must say I love this FACT, but the point is that Ludwig's was presented in the comics just as a relative of Donald ("Duckburg USA" by the fabulous Tony Strobl), who never called Ludwig as 'uncle' in the comic books, as far as I know. Oh, and, being a daring boy, I like to think Ludwig and Humperdink Duck are half-brothers on mother's side.
Lars Jensen
I've been busy with work, so I haven't had time to respond to this until now. Sorry.

Quote from user: ChabacanoI truly appreciate the way how you respect Dick Kinney and Al Hubbard's legacy by using some of their great characters every now and then, mainly Fethry, of course. I'd like to read that story you wrote with Belle Duck, but unfortunately this one wasn't published in Brazil yet... I really like Belle! She's a woman with strong personality, such as Brigitta and Glittering. She's a daring girl!
Yeah, Belle Duck is a great character, isn't she? One of the very few people who can outmaneuver Scrooge... and do it in a charming way. I've used her in a couple more stories, but those haven't been drawn yet.

Quote from user: ChabacanoQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: ChabacanoAs if it wasn't confused enough the kinship between Ludwing and the other Disney Ducks...
The relationship between Ludwig and the other Ducks is very straightforward: Ludwig is Donald Duck's uncle. It was established in the old TV cartoons.

Back to the point of your reply: Well, I've learnt to love Al Taliaferro's strips, as I said before somewhere here in this forum, and I've also learnt that Ludwig was truly created to be Donald's uncle reading some of his strips. And I must say I love this FACT, but the point is that Ludwig's was presented in the comics just as a relative of Donald ("Duckburg USA" by the fabulous Tony Strobl), who never called Ludwig as 'uncle' in the comic books, as far as I know.

When Ludwig first appeared, it was in the TV special "An Adventure in Color". Here, he met Walt Disney and described him as "the fellow who works for my nephew Donald Duck". Walt replied: "If you want to put it that way..." ?? which, to me at least, confirms that Donald is Ludwig's nephew (and that Ludwig therefore is Donald??s uncle). Walt Disney??s statement should automatically mean this relationship is canon (in my opinion).

As for comic books: in "The Family Tree Spree" drawn by Strobl and Liggera (http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+LVD+++3-03), Donald calls Ludwig "Uncle Ludwig". And Donald does the same in Maximino and my "Wiener Schnitzel Woes" (http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2008-041).

So the way I see it, it is firmly established that Ludwig is Donald??s uncle.
Mr. M
I love this character however the one from American cartoons and the one from Italian comics are two separate characters two me. He lost all the odd, zany personaliy and become more of a walking "Junior Woodchuck Guidebook"...
MustangRockstar
I still think he and Scrooge look very similar.
Monochrome
Does anyone remember the old cartoon "Scrooge McDuck and Money"? Due to the drawing style, the resemblance to Von Drake is pure uncanny.
I like Ludwig Von Drake, I think he made a great narrator to the cartoons. At least in the old cartoons, being compared to Gyro Gearloose (for I've never seen him in an actual comic before) for being similar characters is weird to me. Yes, they are both genius's but they deal with situations completely differently, and Ludwig tended to deal with different things and used different tactics then Gyro from what I've seen...which is limited unfortunately.
I guess it's kind of like how you don't see Glomgold and Rockerduck in the same place very often, if at all even though that alone would be a good situation for a plot.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
In The Netherlands they refuse to use Ludwig. The reason? "We've already got Gyro, and this world ain't big enough for two inventors." And yes, that also sort of counts for Rockerduck. And yet they're all so different.
Monochrome
Well that's... really strange still because their universe's economy seems to be handle to handle two ridiculously rich people at a time, and not too much harm came from it. In fact many a story came out of Scrooge McDuck and Glomgold/ Rockerduck. Why similar things couldn't be done with Ludwig and Gyro.... Perhaps it because they aren't enemies, but still there could be plenty of scenarios where the two inventors could be a part of I would imagine.
Robb_K
According to his 4 Dell comic books, Ludwig is a very egotistical, absent-minded know-it-all professor, who is also a braggart and a ham actor and attention-seeker (always wishing to be in the limelight). he might invent something, once in a while. But that is not anywhere near his main focus. yes, he is a scientist (as is Gyro). But, he is also an historian, art expert,musician, and expert on EVERYTHING! Gyro Gearloose is strictly a workaholic inventor (yes, a scientist-but only in the sense of making machines to meet the desires of people that come to him for help. He is shy, unassuming, and doesn't seek credit, and shuns the limelight. These two characters are EXTREMELY different. They should not be considered "duplication", EXCEPT when a secondary character is needed, just to confirm or bring up scientific facts. Even then, Ludwig is better to bring up facts, Gyro better to build a machine that can get a job done. i don't really see much overlap at all. I don't see why they both can't be rich, well developed characters in their own rights, and appear in the same story, without creating an excess. In fact, they are natural characters prone to conflict with each other, which would make for some very nice characters.
I am not a fan of Thom Roep's stand on this, nor am I a fan of Egmont's. I am also angry that many editors think that Emil Eagle should not be used, or just be used as a common criminal. I like to use him as an unscrupulous rival inventor to Gyro,-and jealous of the latter to the point of constant conflict and "invention wars". I have written and storyboarded 3 stories with that theme, and I'd like to make more.
Monochrome
I couldn't have put it any better Robb_K, and you brought up some really good facts. To tell the truth, I don't even remember Ludwig inventing much at all now that think about it. He was rather as a professor / doctor to me, which even showed in his narration style in the old cartoons. He seems to like telling people what to do for helping them, and likes to point out facts (even obvious ones to the audience). I hope some day he can be used in the comics. It seems like a waste not to use him.
Emil Eagle? I don't remember his name really, but was he that short bird character that lived near Gyro and pretty much invented just to ruin Gyro's inventions? I only seen that character once, and it was in an old Gold Key Comic.
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