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Mr. M
Ludwig von Drake in the Italia stories is like a walking talkig Junior Woodstock Guidbook... which is ok but he's almost a diffrent character since he lost a lot of his oryginal wackyness and is very come comepering to his cartoon version
Matilda
Very nice summary of the characters of LVD and Gyro, Robb_K. I agree completely, there's no excuse for maintaining that we only need one of them in Disney comics. Joe Torcivia has said that his favorite LVD story is "Planet X" from Donald Duck 102, and that story does include Gyro, too. LVD is (over-)confident that he has discovered a new planet and and a new form of life, and calls in Gyro to build a spaceship. Gyro is more cautious about LVD's claims, but happy to build the rocket. They work just fine in the same story.
GeoX
Quote from user: Robb_KI am also angry that many editors think that Emil Eagle should not be used, or just be used as a common criminal.
I don't know what you've done with the character, but in all the Lockman stories I've read that use him, he pretty much sucks. The idea of "an evil version of Gyro" is actually really interesting, in theory: imagine someone who shares most of Gyro's character traits, but is bad instead of good--or maybe not even "bad" per se; think of a Gyro version of Glomgold in his earliest appearance. That would be a character of a sort that doesn't currently exist in the Disneyverse; granted, such a one would be difficult to write, but he would be interesting and attention-catching.

But that's not anything like what we have, of course, which is a really banal, generic, and uninteresting villain.
Robb_K
Quote from user: GeoXQuote from user: Robb_KI am also angry that many editors think that Emil Eagle should not be used, or just be used as a common criminal.
I don't know what you've done with the character, but in all the Lockman stories I've read that use him, he pretty much sucks. The idea of "an evil version of Gyro" is actually really interesting, in theory: imagine someone who shares most of Gyro's character traits, but is bad instead of good--or maybe not even "bad" per se; think of a Gyro version of Glomgold in his earliest appearance. That would be a character of a sort that doesn't currently exist in the Disneyverse; granted, such a one would be difficult to write, but he would be interesting and attention-catching.

But that's not anything like what we have, of course, which is a really banal, generic, and uninteresting villain.

I used Emil eagle as a rival inventor to Gyro. He is jealous of Gyro. he wants to get the accolades for inventing the best inventions. He wants to sabotage Gyro's inventions, steal his invention plans so HE can undeservingly get the credit for inventing them, and he invents inventions to help him do dastardly deeds. He is NOt just a petty crook in my stories, as he is in most of the Gold Key stories in which he appeared. The two of them end up in invention contests and invention battles.
Robb_K
Here are some pages of stories in which I used Emil as a rival inventor to Gyro:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/KeyToProblem3.jpg
In this story, "The Key To The Problem", jealous Emil keeps watch on Gyro, to wait for an opening to steal his invention plans. When Gyro has invented a "powerful magnetic misplaced keys retriever", which pulls the keys from where they are to a unit the owner carries, Gyro's keys are pulled so strongly from his workshop, they break the window pane when being pulled out. Emil then runs into the workshop, stealing Gyro's invention plans.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/KeyToProblem2.jpg
Robb_K
In a second Emil/Gyro rival story, "The Innovative Crook Foiler", Emil invents a motor scooter armed with various tools and weapons to help him defeat Gyro, and Gyro has invented a "crook foiler" that can defend a person against attack and robbery, and also apprehends the offender. They use these inventions against each other.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/CrookFoiler1.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/CrookFoiler2.jpg
Robb_K
In a third rival story, ("The Not-So-Alien, Alien") Emil and Gyro are in an Inventor's contest to be the first scientist to make contact with intelligent aliens from another world:
Emil spies on Gyro, copies his plans and uses resultant invention to contact "space aliens" (Gyro)
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/Alien2B.jpg
Thinking each other's contact a space alien, Gyro and Emil shocked to find they've contacted each other.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/Alien5B.jpg
Both Gyro and Emil have cheated Duckburg's people, by contacting a fellow Duckburgian (thinking it a space alien). they and Duckburg's Mayor (event organiser) are chased by the crowd, who want their money back.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/Alien6B.jpg
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
An inventor/thief could be an interesting character, if he used his inventions to steal other people's inventions. But then you're moving into "early Beagle Boys" catagory. It's not like anything that has ever been done by Emil Eagle.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAn inventor/thief could be an interesting character, if he used his inventions to steal other people's inventions. But then you're moving into "early Beagle Boys" catagory. It's not like anything that has ever been done by Emil Eagle.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D++2878

Or am I misunderstanding something?
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAn inventor/thief could be an interesting character, if he used his inventions to steal other people's inventions. But then you're moving into "early Beagle Boys" catagory. It's not like anything that has ever been done by Emil Eagle.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D++2878

Or am I misunderstanding something?

It could be, I don't know. I've never read that story. I meant to say that as far as I know, it never happened. Not that I'm an expert on Emil Eagle... But what do you think about an idea like that? Emil could steal an invention with an invention of his own, then Gyro builds something to get it back, and Emil uses something else, and the contraptions becaome more and more elaborate... but I'm not sure if that sounds like Gyro.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAn inventor/thief could be an interesting character, if he used his inventions to steal other people's inventions. But then you're moving into "early Beagle Boys" catagory. It's not like anything that has ever been done by Emil Eagle.
Emil HAS been used THAT WAY-as I've done it 3 times. In addition, he's been used that way by others before me, which was the source of my confidence that I'd be allowed to use him that way.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAn inventor/thief could be an interesting character, if he used his inventions to steal other people's inventions. But then you're moving into "early Beagle Boys" catagory. It's not like anything that has ever been done by Emil Eagle.
Emil HAS been used THAT WAY-as I've done it 3 times. In addition, he's been used that way by others before me, which was the source of my confidence that I'd be allowed to use him that way.

Okay, good! I'm REALLY not an expert on Emil Eagle, then.
MustangRockstar
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderIn The Netherlands they refuse to use Ludwig. The reason? "We've already got Gyro, and this world ain't big enough for two inventors." And yes, that also sort of counts for Rockerduck. And yet they're all so different.
I always liked LVD more as a Freudian psychologist/sociologist, as compared to the emphasis being on his character being a scientist/inventor.

The humor in Drake is that he's an intellectual who lives in his head. He has theories about people and life, but I think the humor is lost when he actually makes those ideas a reality.

It's what made the character effective as a narrator, because he's observing and theorizing about what he's watching and yet very detached from the action.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderIn The Netherlands they refuse to use Ludwig. The reason? "We've already got Gyro, and this world ain't big enough for two inventors." And yes, that also sort of counts for Rockerduck. And yet they're all so different.
I don't like this policy at all. I want to write and draw stories in which both ludwig and Gyro play a role (very different roles), and other stories to use various rivals of Scrooge, to gang up on him as a group, to try to knock him off the top spot in the "richest Duck (man) contest". I also want to use Fethry, and Thom Roep doesn't want him used. I also want to use Emil Eagle, and Thom doesn't like him, either. Bah!
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