Here is a letter originally sent to Gladstone, but as they couldn't
answer it they sent it along to NAFS(k) among others, and here it is
for you to ponder. Anyone recognize this story?
! Sirs:
!
! I have a quest which is personally very important for me. I am
! looking for a certain $crooge McDuck comic---but I don't know the
! issue number, the date or even the picture on the cover.
!
! It concerns a race to a diamond mine in Africa. $crooge, Donald and
! the boys encounter military apes, explore the ruins of an ancient
! village, and finally end up accidentally exploding the volcanic
! mountain where the diamond mine is located.
!
! Cost (within reason!) is not an object, and I don't care if it is a
! reprint or an original.
!
! If you have this comic, please contact me and tell me the price.
!
! If you don't have it at present, could you please give me any
! information about the issue number, date etc.---or tell me how I could
! get this information.
!
! I really need this comic! (Even a xerox)
!
! Thank-you,
!
! Edith Crocker
! 2300 Joshua Circle
! Middletown, OH 45044, USA
Author
Topic: 199303
(100 messages)
Per Starbäck
Race to a diamond mine
Message 1 -
1993-03-03 at 12:42:49
Per Starbäck
Gladstone again
Message 2 -
1993-03-03 at 12:54:25
As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in
the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting
with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge
(#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and
Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles
will be bimonthly.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting
with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge
(#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and
Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles
will be bimonthly.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Torsten Wesley Adair
Gladstone again
Message 3 -
1993-03-03 at 19:19:49
On Wed, 3 Mar 1993, Per Starb{ck wrote:
> As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in
> the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting
> with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge
> (#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and
> Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles
> will be bimonthly.
For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the
numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of
confusing, but look out for the numbers.
Also, Gladstone has acknowledged that Mickey and Donald will be
retitled Donald and Mickey because Donald sells more comics. As a person
who despises the "post-lobotomy" Mickey Mouse, this is refreshing.
The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos
storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted
Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored. I have not read much of
these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially
this storyline. The only criticism is that the strips are too small.
Did everyone see the cover story on Gladstone in a recent issue of
the Comics Buyer's Guide? There was an interview with Rosa and another
duck artist whose name escapes me. I'll snail mail (paper) copies to anyone
who wants them.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
> As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in
> the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting
> with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge
> (#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and
> Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles
> will be bimonthly.
For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the
numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of
confusing, but look out for the numbers.
Also, Gladstone has acknowledged that Mickey and Donald will be
retitled Donald and Mickey because Donald sells more comics. As a person
who despises the "post-lobotomy" Mickey Mouse, this is refreshing.
The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos
storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted
Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored. I have not read much of
these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially
this storyline. The only criticism is that the strips are too small.
Did everyone see the cover story on Gladstone in a recent issue of
the Comics Buyer's Guide? There was an interview with Rosa and another
duck artist whose name escapes me. I'll snail mail (paper) copies to anyone
who wants them.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Harry Fluks
Gladstone again
Message 4 -
1993-03-04 at 18:54:58
" (yes, there's a " on this line 8-)
Per Starback wrote:
> As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in
> the USA. (...)
and Torsten Adair wrote:
> For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the
> numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of
> confusing, but look out for the numbers.
What about the paper quality and prices? Will Gladstone go back to the
old 'quality', or retain the excellent (and expensive) quality of the
Disney comics?
> The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos
> storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted
> Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored.
Gottfredson. The story is about an island in the sky.
> I have not read much of
> these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially
> this storyline.
Yes, the experts are right: the old stories from about 1935 to 1940 are
very good indeed!
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Per Starback wrote:
> As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in
> the USA. (...)
and Torsten Adair wrote:
> For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the
> numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of
> confusing, but look out for the numbers.
What about the paper quality and prices? Will Gladstone go back to the
old 'quality', or retain the excellent (and expensive) quality of the
Disney comics?
> The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos
> storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted
> Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored.
Gottfredson. The story is about an island in the sky.
> I have not read much of
> these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially
> this storyline.
Yes, the experts are right: the old stories from about 1935 to 1940 are
very good indeed!
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Rich.Bellacera
Marsupilami & Aladdin in comics
Message 5 -
1993-03-06 at 07:26:00
For those interested according to Preview magazine the whacky critter from
Disney's "RAW TOONAGE" will be starring in his own regular feature in DISNEY
ADVENTURES magazine starting soon. I think in May. Marsupilami, of course,
will probably NOT be featured the same as he originally did in comics, but
will probably parallel Disney's own "re-creation" of the critter. Probably
teaming him up with Maurice, and continue using Norman as the butt of the
joke. This will personally disappoint me. I'd really like to see Disney
develop his character in comics, maybe give us some insight into him and his
species. The cartoon is usually relegated to a series of gags. :-(
Marsupilami has been a regular character appearing in the back of the last
four issues of D.A. in the section for games. His tail was used as a maze,
his name as a descrambler, and others.
I think Marsupilami is a great character with lots of potential...all of which
is going to waste in the "gag" format. Don't get me wrong, gags are perfect
for him, but I'd really like to see more. I'd also like to see Disney or even
Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American
population to peruse.
Aladdin has also begun seeing print in comics. A couple months ago Disney
printed the "Movie" into a graphic format, and now they've released the first
of a two-part story which takes place immediately following the movie's story
(e.g. Alladin & Jasmine are bored with palacial life). Since Aladdin is due
to premier on the Disney Afternoon in the Fall of 1994 I wonder if this story
is the first tale from that same series? Also, Aladdin has appeared in Disney
Adventures which means this current comic will probably also see print in that
magazine eventually (others have).
As far as Disney Adventures comics go it seem that the bulk of them are being
reprinted in Disney's Colossal Collection pretty regularly. The prime
acceptions to this being all Roger Rabbit stories. Goof Troop reprints have
begun appearing in C.C. as the Darkwing Duck tales have been doing for the
past year. One good thing though, I think that since Chip'n Dale Rescue
Rangers, Ducktales, Tail Spin, Darkwing Duck and Goof Troop have all been
seeing print in D.A. and then moving to C.C. it only goes to reason that the
other Disney Afternoon features coming up (BONKERS!, ALADDIN, and DUCK DAZE)
will eventually see print in Disney Adventures, also. I can't wait to see
Fawn Deer in print. ;-)
It seems to me that with the exception of an occasional Mickey Mouse or Roger
Rabbit tale, Disney Adventures is dedicated to Disney Television Animation, as
is Colossal Collection. C.C. has also seen reprints of THE LITTLE MERMAID
tales which came out in comics about a year ago. TLM is currently running on
Saturday Morning TV. I wonder if any Winnie the Pooh or Wuzzles or even Gummi
Bears stories will ever see print in D.A. or C.C.?
One cool thing of note is that about a year ago I wrote to the staff at Disney
Comics (they even printed my letter in the letters column in WDC&S) where I
requested they reprint some of their classic animated features like "The Brave
Little Tailor" and that they start new features for "Disney Babies" and
"Minnie'n Me". So far they've begun reprinting said classics and have run one
of the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French
magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me)
where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything
about this?
See ya.
-Rich
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best
buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage)
Disney's "RAW TOONAGE" will be starring in his own regular feature in DISNEY
ADVENTURES magazine starting soon. I think in May. Marsupilami, of course,
will probably NOT be featured the same as he originally did in comics, but
will probably parallel Disney's own "re-creation" of the critter. Probably
teaming him up with Maurice, and continue using Norman as the butt of the
joke. This will personally disappoint me. I'd really like to see Disney
develop his character in comics, maybe give us some insight into him and his
species. The cartoon is usually relegated to a series of gags. :-(
Marsupilami has been a regular character appearing in the back of the last
four issues of D.A. in the section for games. His tail was used as a maze,
his name as a descrambler, and others.
I think Marsupilami is a great character with lots of potential...all of which
is going to waste in the "gag" format. Don't get me wrong, gags are perfect
for him, but I'd really like to see more. I'd also like to see Disney or even
Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American
population to peruse.
Aladdin has also begun seeing print in comics. A couple months ago Disney
printed the "Movie" into a graphic format, and now they've released the first
of a two-part story which takes place immediately following the movie's story
(e.g. Alladin & Jasmine are bored with palacial life). Since Aladdin is due
to premier on the Disney Afternoon in the Fall of 1994 I wonder if this story
is the first tale from that same series? Also, Aladdin has appeared in Disney
Adventures which means this current comic will probably also see print in that
magazine eventually (others have).
As far as Disney Adventures comics go it seem that the bulk of them are being
reprinted in Disney's Colossal Collection pretty regularly. The prime
acceptions to this being all Roger Rabbit stories. Goof Troop reprints have
begun appearing in C.C. as the Darkwing Duck tales have been doing for the
past year. One good thing though, I think that since Chip'n Dale Rescue
Rangers, Ducktales, Tail Spin, Darkwing Duck and Goof Troop have all been
seeing print in D.A. and then moving to C.C. it only goes to reason that the
other Disney Afternoon features coming up (BONKERS!, ALADDIN, and DUCK DAZE)
will eventually see print in Disney Adventures, also. I can't wait to see
Fawn Deer in print. ;-)
It seems to me that with the exception of an occasional Mickey Mouse or Roger
Rabbit tale, Disney Adventures is dedicated to Disney Television Animation, as
is Colossal Collection. C.C. has also seen reprints of THE LITTLE MERMAID
tales which came out in comics about a year ago. TLM is currently running on
Saturday Morning TV. I wonder if any Winnie the Pooh or Wuzzles or even Gummi
Bears stories will ever see print in D.A. or C.C.?
One cool thing of note is that about a year ago I wrote to the staff at Disney
Comics (they even printed my letter in the letters column in WDC&S) where I
requested they reprint some of their classic animated features like "The Brave
Little Tailor" and that they start new features for "Disney Babies" and
"Minnie'n Me". So far they've begun reprinting said classics and have run one
of the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French
magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me)
where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything
about this?
See ya.
-Rich
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best
buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage)
Rich.Bellacera
Marsupilami...
Message 6 -
1993-03-06 at 15:13:00
> From: jamal at juts
> Marsupilami is a French made character, isnt he? That was what came
> to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many
> different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use
> (the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject.
> Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs?
> Or was it someone else?
> - JH
Sorry, but I think there are some more able-minded comics fans who can answer
your queries. Rest assured that you are not hallucinating over Mars' origin,
however. He is definitely one-and-the same of Spirou & Fantasio fame. As to
what country his comics originated, I don't know. I was under the impression
he was from Sweden or Denmark, but he was definitely from Europa. The
characters of Spirou & Fantasio do not exist in Disney's version on RAW
TOONAGE. Marsupilami has been established to be both his "name" and his
"species" on the show as he seems to use it interchangably. His longtime
companion (since infanthood) is his simian friend the ape Maurice. And,
his longtime adversary is the human, Norman. Apparently Mars' happy-go-lucky
attitude about life has kept him naive to Norman's villianous tendancies
toward him. The most outstanding feature of both the show and the character
himself is Mars' prehensile tail which is so amazing it can do and be almost
anything. That is the extent of my knowledge of the critter in the Disney
format.
So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans
who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they
serve? Norman is usually depicted as an explorer or pilfer of the jungles
where Mars lives. Though, on occassion Norman has appeared as a bellhop, a
witch doctor, a hockey player, an ice cream man, and a mad scientist.
Personaly, I don't care for Norman, but I guess he gives Mars "purpose" for
whatever plot the Disney staff throws at the critter.
While I really like Mars, and hope to soon own a plush version of him, I think
Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy
as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode"
acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-)
In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's
subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without
getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand,
Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features
for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further
exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be
done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless
Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and
usually tends toward the "totally boring" side.
If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I
think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were
far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting.
-Rich
> Marsupilami is a French made character, isnt he? That was what came
> to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many
> different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use
> (the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject.
> Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs?
> Or was it someone else?
> - JH
Sorry, but I think there are some more able-minded comics fans who can answer
your queries. Rest assured that you are not hallucinating over Mars' origin,
however. He is definitely one-and-the same of Spirou & Fantasio fame. As to
what country his comics originated, I don't know. I was under the impression
he was from Sweden or Denmark, but he was definitely from Europa. The
characters of Spirou & Fantasio do not exist in Disney's version on RAW
TOONAGE. Marsupilami has been established to be both his "name" and his
"species" on the show as he seems to use it interchangably. His longtime
companion (since infanthood) is his simian friend the ape Maurice. And,
his longtime adversary is the human, Norman. Apparently Mars' happy-go-lucky
attitude about life has kept him naive to Norman's villianous tendancies
toward him. The most outstanding feature of both the show and the character
himself is Mars' prehensile tail which is so amazing it can do and be almost
anything. That is the extent of my knowledge of the critter in the Disney
format.
So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans
who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they
serve? Norman is usually depicted as an explorer or pilfer of the jungles
where Mars lives. Though, on occassion Norman has appeared as a bellhop, a
witch doctor, a hockey player, an ice cream man, and a mad scientist.
Personaly, I don't care for Norman, but I guess he gives Mars "purpose" for
whatever plot the Disney staff throws at the critter.
While I really like Mars, and hope to soon own a plush version of him, I think
Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy
as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode"
acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-)
In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's
subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without
getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand,
Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features
for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further
exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be
done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless
Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and
usually tends toward the "totally boring" side.
If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I
think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were
far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting.
-Rich
Jamal Hannah
Marsupilami...
Message 7 -
1993-03-06 at 23:36:30
Marsupilami is a French made character, isnt he? That was what came
to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many
different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use
(the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject.
Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs?
Or was it someone else?
- JH
to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many
different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use
(the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject.
Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs?
Or was it someone else?
- JH
Jamal Hannah
Marsupilami, Ren&Stimpy, etc.
Message 8 -
1993-03-07 at 02:04:19
> While I really like Mars, and hope to soon own a plush version of him, I think
> Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy
> as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode"
> acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-)
> In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's
> subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without
> getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand,
> Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features
> for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further
> exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be
> done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless
> Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and
> usually tends toward the "totally boring" side.
>
> If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I
> think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were
> far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting.
>
> -Rich
>
The appeal of Ren & Stimpy was, I think, spacific to the idiosyncratic
talents of the creator/director John Kricfilusi [sp], who's work was somehow
somewhat subliminally bizzare, touching a nerve with it's timing &
satire of life in general. The newer episodes, directed by Bob Camp,
are just as "discusting", but just not as good as the older shows..
call me a purist, but for the most part I think it's the director who
makes the flavor of a story or characters enjoyable or not. I mean,
Carl Barks and Walt Kelly were enjoyable not just because of the artwork
or characters alone, but the writing and "attitude" of the comics they did
as well, I think, had appeal for people. (strips like Lil' Abner &
Ally Oop had pretty good artwork, but dont seem quite as popular as
the others.)
Every time something artistically ground-breaking comes out, I see
companies scrambling to imitate aspects of said comic or animation
such as the violence or "grossness" content, number of futuristic
weapons, glossy look, recognizable characters, and so on. I'm still
wondering when companies like Disney will get it through their heads that
it's the creator/director that is pretty much the key element. If
Disney pulls off a success with some characters resembling Ren & Stimpy,
I dont think it will be because they resemble them in some direct way..
more likly because the stories are engauging, topical, and the characters
believable. I suppose "formulas" work to the extent that there may be
a market created for a spacific topic that is "hot" at the time, but
a really good, origional writer/director cant really be created from
thin air. They are somewhat rare.
To give an example,
I like Don Rosa as a "Barks imitator" considerably more than Freddie Milton,
mostly because Don clearly puts something of himself into his work that
ads a sort of adventersome spice to it. Freddie's "Gnuff" stories
just didnt strike me as being as engauging, even though they were both
people heavily inspired by Barks. Anyone else share that impression?
As for who created the Smurfs, it was some guy named "Peyo" who also made
some characters called the "Swoofs" I think.. the may have been French,
and I think he died just this last December. (I used to read smurf
graphic novels years ago.. they were a heck of a lot more interesting than
the TV show, which actualy had it's moments, however few..)
-JH
> Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy
> as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode"
> acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-)
> In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's
> subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without
> getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand,
> Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features
> for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further
> exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be
> done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless
> Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and
> usually tends toward the "totally boring" side.
>
> If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I
> think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were
> far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting.
>
> -Rich
>
The appeal of Ren & Stimpy was, I think, spacific to the idiosyncratic
talents of the creator/director John Kricfilusi [sp], who's work was somehow
somewhat subliminally bizzare, touching a nerve with it's timing &
satire of life in general. The newer episodes, directed by Bob Camp,
are just as "discusting", but just not as good as the older shows..
call me a purist, but for the most part I think it's the director who
makes the flavor of a story or characters enjoyable or not. I mean,
Carl Barks and Walt Kelly were enjoyable not just because of the artwork
or characters alone, but the writing and "attitude" of the comics they did
as well, I think, had appeal for people. (strips like Lil' Abner &
Ally Oop had pretty good artwork, but dont seem quite as popular as
the others.)
Every time something artistically ground-breaking comes out, I see
companies scrambling to imitate aspects of said comic or animation
such as the violence or "grossness" content, number of futuristic
weapons, glossy look, recognizable characters, and so on. I'm still
wondering when companies like Disney will get it through their heads that
it's the creator/director that is pretty much the key element. If
Disney pulls off a success with some characters resembling Ren & Stimpy,
I dont think it will be because they resemble them in some direct way..
more likly because the stories are engauging, topical, and the characters
believable. I suppose "formulas" work to the extent that there may be
a market created for a spacific topic that is "hot" at the time, but
a really good, origional writer/director cant really be created from
thin air. They are somewhat rare.
To give an example,
I like Don Rosa as a "Barks imitator" considerably more than Freddie Milton,
mostly because Don clearly puts something of himself into his work that
ads a sort of adventersome spice to it. Freddie's "Gnuff" stories
just didnt strike me as being as engauging, even though they were both
people heavily inspired by Barks. Anyone else share that impression?
As for who created the Smurfs, it was some guy named "Peyo" who also made
some characters called the "Swoofs" I think.. the may have been French,
and I think he died just this last December. (I used to read smurf
graphic novels years ago.. they were a heck of a lot more interesting than
the TV show, which actualy had it's moments, however few..)
-JH
Hannes.Faestermann
Marsupilami etc.
Message 9 -
1993-03-07 at 11:12:44
Hi there,
just a few remarks to the Marsupilami etc.
The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created
Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou
comics first. After Franquin retired from the Spirou series (which was drawn by
different artists after that, until it finally went to the hands of Tome &
Janry, who do a very good job) he refused to give the rights for it away. Just
1 or 2 years ago he accepted that a young artist - Batem - should create a new
series based on the Marsupilami alone.
Anyone who wants to know more about that should send me a personal email.
I will be cut off from the net for at least 2-3 weeks as I just got a new job
without internet access. So it will be a while before answers will arrive. This
is the reason why I won't be able for at least the next 4 weeks to do anything
for the Gladstone index :((
C U in a few weeks
Hannes
just a few remarks to the Marsupilami etc.
The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created
Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou
comics first. After Franquin retired from the Spirou series (which was drawn by
different artists after that, until it finally went to the hands of Tome &
Janry, who do a very good job) he refused to give the rights for it away. Just
1 or 2 years ago he accepted that a young artist - Batem - should create a new
series based on the Marsupilami alone.
Anyone who wants to know more about that should send me a personal email.
I will be cut off from the net for at least 2-3 weeks as I just got a new job
without internet access. So it will be a while before answers will arrive. This
is the reason why I won't be able for at least the next 4 weeks to do anything
for the Gladstone index :((
C U in a few weeks
Hannes
Per Starbäck
This and that, like distribution of list members and Marsipulami
Message 10 -
1993-03-07 at 17:06:23
About that story with a diamond mine and an explosion:
Harry:
> I guess it's a USA story of the late 60s, not long before they started
> reprints-only.
That sounds very probable, but I really haven't the faintest. It's
really frustrating looking for a story you don't remember particularly
well. If someone on the list have a long-lost story like that, please
go ahead and ask about it. Maybe someone can give a pointer to it.
Thanks for Dutch Barks index, Harry! I've made a dutch/ subdirectory
on the ftp server like the swedish/ one and put it there.
From where are we?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rich:
> According to their answer there in a French magazine "Le Mickey" or
> something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me) where they
> said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
> any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know
> anything about this?
Probably not, judging by the email addresses, but the readership is
getting a little more international all the time, so maybe soon...
Here is the distribution of the current disney-comics members:
Sweden 17
Denmark 2
Norway 1
The Netherlands 3
Germany 1
Spain 1
(Europe 25)
USA 18 (edu 12, com 4, gov 2)
Canada 1
(North America 19)
Brazil 1
New Zealand 1
(total sum: 46)
Marsupilami, the Smurfs, and other French/Belgian comics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, I don't look upon Marsupilami as a Disney character, but I guess
he is nowadays, at least in the US.
Jamal:
> Kind of made me wonder just how many different characters Disney is
> trying to liscence for their own use (the Muppets, etc)
Of course Disney's "always" made existing characters into Disney
characters (like Snow White, Baloo, Winnie-the-Pooh, etc), but I think
it's not quite the same thing when they use characters that already
were cartoon characters or from the comics. I can accept e.g.,
Winnie-the-Pooh as a Disney character even though I love the *real*
Winnie-the-Pooh, as I look upon them as more or less different
characters, but I think that would be harder if they both were used in
the same medium, e.g., comics.
Rich:
> So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans
> who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they
> serve?
Exactly that: pet owners. Spirou and Fantasio are the main
characters and go around having adventures a la Tintin, and
Marsupilami is mostly used for comic releaf, like another pet of
Spirou, the squirrel Spip.
There were some questions on the origin of Marsupilami, but Hannes has
already answered that:
> The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created
> Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou
> comics first.
Just a minor correction: Although Franquin did Spirou & Fantasio many
years he didn't create those characters, but was only the third to
work with them. The were created by Rob Vel 1938, and made by Joesph
"Jij'e" Gillain since 1940, and then Franquin took it over in 1946.
As for nationalities they are from Belgium, not France as Jamal
thought. (It's *in* French though). (The same goes for Peyo who also
was mentioned.)
ObDisney: Franquin has said that the main influences on him and other
comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo,
Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from
Belgium).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry:
> I guess it's a USA story of the late 60s, not long before they started
> reprints-only.
That sounds very probable, but I really haven't the faintest. It's
really frustrating looking for a story you don't remember particularly
well. If someone on the list have a long-lost story like that, please
go ahead and ask about it. Maybe someone can give a pointer to it.
Thanks for Dutch Barks index, Harry! I've made a dutch/ subdirectory
on the ftp server like the swedish/ one and put it there.
From where are we?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rich:
> According to their answer there in a French magazine "Le Mickey" or
> something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me) where they
> said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
> any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know
> anything about this?
Probably not, judging by the email addresses, but the readership is
getting a little more international all the time, so maybe soon...
Here is the distribution of the current disney-comics members:
Sweden 17
Denmark 2
Norway 1
The Netherlands 3
Germany 1
Spain 1
(Europe 25)
USA 18 (edu 12, com 4, gov 2)
Canada 1
(North America 19)
Brazil 1
New Zealand 1
(total sum: 46)
Marsupilami, the Smurfs, and other French/Belgian comics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, I don't look upon Marsupilami as a Disney character, but I guess
he is nowadays, at least in the US.
Jamal:
> Kind of made me wonder just how many different characters Disney is
> trying to liscence for their own use (the Muppets, etc)
Of course Disney's "always" made existing characters into Disney
characters (like Snow White, Baloo, Winnie-the-Pooh, etc), but I think
it's not quite the same thing when they use characters that already
were cartoon characters or from the comics. I can accept e.g.,
Winnie-the-Pooh as a Disney character even though I love the *real*
Winnie-the-Pooh, as I look upon them as more or less different
characters, but I think that would be harder if they both were used in
the same medium, e.g., comics.
Rich:
> So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans
> who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they
> serve?
Exactly that: pet owners. Spirou and Fantasio are the main
characters and go around having adventures a la Tintin, and
Marsupilami is mostly used for comic releaf, like another pet of
Spirou, the squirrel Spip.
There were some questions on the origin of Marsupilami, but Hannes has
already answered that:
> The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created
> Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou
> comics first.
Just a minor correction: Although Franquin did Spirou & Fantasio many
years he didn't create those characters, but was only the third to
work with them. The were created by Rob Vel 1938, and made by Joesph
"Jij'e" Gillain since 1940, and then Franquin took it over in 1946.
As for nationalities they are from Belgium, not France as Jamal
thought. (It's *in* French though). (The same goes for Peyo who also
was mentioned.)
ObDisney: Franquin has said that the main influences on him and other
comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo,
Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from
Belgium).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Jamal Hannah
Belgian Artists/Cartoonists
Message 11 -
1993-03-07 at 18:12:12
> ObDisney: Franquin has said that the main influences on him and other
> comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo,
> Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from
> Belgium).
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>
Interesting.. So this is a Belgian Phenomenon. Dont forget "Attila Durgey"
(sp?) from Belguim who did "Vuk", otherwise known as "The Little Fox"..
which seemed, at some point, to have almost Disneylike popularity over
there (they made some very nice stamps of the fox.)
I wonder if the Fantasy artist Mobius is Belgian? And is the magazine
"Metal Herlant" (Euro version of "Heavy Metal) Belgian too?
(I seem to remember alot of subtle jokes about
Disney characters in issues of "Metal Herlant, just to keep this
relevant: mostly in the form of tributes by putting the characters in the
background. However, I have seen far more tributes to Herge's work,
and the occasional Europian Intelligencia complaint about Disney
being too "kitschy"... Mad magazine used to do the same.)
-JH
> comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo,
> Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from
> Belgium).
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>
Interesting.. So this is a Belgian Phenomenon. Dont forget "Attila Durgey"
(sp?) from Belguim who did "Vuk", otherwise known as "The Little Fox"..
which seemed, at some point, to have almost Disneylike popularity over
there (they made some very nice stamps of the fox.)
I wonder if the Fantasy artist Mobius is Belgian? And is the magazine
"Metal Herlant" (Euro version of "Heavy Metal) Belgian too?
(I seem to remember alot of subtle jokes about
Disney characters in issues of "Metal Herlant, just to keep this
relevant: mostly in the form of tributes by putting the characters in the
background. However, I have seen far more tributes to Herge's work,
and the occasional Europian Intelligencia complaint about Disney
being too "kitschy"... Mad magazine used to do the same.)
-JH
Darin Reid
Gladstone and Rosa
Message 12 -
1993-03-08 at 04:16:40
So now that Gladstone is publishing Disney again, will Don Rosa do original
works for them?
About Mars: I don't really think every Disney comic character needs
to be "developed". If Mars (I've never seen "Raw Toonage") is a gag
character, why convert him? I think that we [Disney comics fans] have
become so used to the adventure type story, led by The Ducks or MM,
that we forget that this is Disney. Disney shouldn't try to turn
every character into a Batman or even another duck.
What I mean is, if you love adventure stories buy adventure
books, we shouldn't try to turn sight gag characters into anything
else...
My $.02
- Darin
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works for them?
About Mars: I don't really think every Disney comic character needs
to be "developed". If Mars (I've never seen "Raw Toonage") is a gag
character, why convert him? I think that we [Disney comics fans] have
become so used to the adventure type story, led by The Ducks or MM,
that we forget that this is Disney. Disney shouldn't try to turn
every character into a Batman or even another duck.
What I mean is, if you love adventure stories buy adventure
books, we shouldn't try to turn sight gag characters into anything
else...
My $.02
- Darin
--
Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc __ _ __
Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu / ) ' ) ) /
Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu / / __. __ o ____ /--' _ o __/
DECnet : MARY::AREID /__/_(_/|_/ (_<_/ / <_ / \_</_<_(_/_
Freenet : Bz809 at Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Torsten Wesley Adair
FTP sites?
Message 13 -
1993-03-08 at 04:20:09
Are the various Disney indexes available via FTP? If they are,
has Rec.Arts.Comics been notified? The address for disney-comics is
there, BTW.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
has Rec.Arts.Comics been notified? The address for disney-comics is
there, BTW.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE
Rich.Bellacera
Romano Scarpa & Pete's Trudy
Message 14 -
1993-03-08 at 08:11:00
Hi-
I was reading the inside front cover of "Mickey and Donald" #6 (published by
Gladstone, Oct 1988) and it was giving some background on Romano Scarpa. In
this data it listed some of his creations for Mondadori Publishing as includinfg
including Brigitta MacBridge, Uncle Scrooge's "fiancee"; Jubal Cock, a hustling
rival of Old McDuck's; Atomino Bip-Bip, an enlarged atom who lived with
Mickey for a while; Dickie Duck, Glittering Goldie's teen-age niece; and
Trudy, Peg-leg Pete's partner in life and crime.
Werer any of these characters continuing characteres or were they "one-shots"
and if continuing, do you feel they are noteworthy enough to be listed in
my listing of Disney Characters.
I would also be interested in hearing whatever info you can provide about them.
especially "Trudy." I had never heard that Pete had a partner other than a
weasel who's only name I'd ever seen was also Weasel. Is Trudy (as the article
seems to imply) Pete's "wife" in these Scarpa stories? Does anyone know of
any comics in the U.S. that some stories depicting "her" may have appeared. I
would assume that they may have been reprinted in Gladstone or Dell.
Thanks
-Rich
I was reading the inside front cover of "Mickey and Donald" #6 (published by
Gladstone, Oct 1988) and it was giving some background on Romano Scarpa. In
this data it listed some of his creations for Mondadori Publishing as includinfg
including Brigitta MacBridge, Uncle Scrooge's "fiancee"; Jubal Cock, a hustling
rival of Old McDuck's; Atomino Bip-Bip, an enlarged atom who lived with
Mickey for a while; Dickie Duck, Glittering Goldie's teen-age niece; and
Trudy, Peg-leg Pete's partner in life and crime.
Werer any of these characters continuing characteres or were they "one-shots"
and if continuing, do you feel they are noteworthy enough to be listed in
my listing of Disney Characters.
I would also be interested in hearing whatever info you can provide about them.
especially "Trudy." I had never heard that Pete had a partner other than a
weasel who's only name I'd ever seen was also Weasel. Is Trudy (as the article
seems to imply) Pete's "wife" in these Scarpa stories? Does anyone know of
any comics in the U.S. that some stories depicting "her" may have appeared. I
would assume that they may have been reprinted in Gladstone or Dell.
Thanks
-Rich
Harry Fluks
"Le Mickey"
Message 15 -
1993-03-08 at 10:51:09
Rich Bellacera wrote:
> I'd also like to see Disney or even
> Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American
> population to peruse.
I think you can compare the original Marsupilami comics with the original
"Junglebook", "Winnie the Pooh" etc. I.e. they are quite different from what
Disney made of them; only the character(s) is(are) the same (like Per already
noted). Therefore, I don't expect Disney or Gladstone to reprint European
(B e l g i a n) Marsupilami.
> (...) the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French
> magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me)
It's "Le Journal de Mickey".
> where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
> any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything
> about this?
Disney Babies have been a gag strip (one-page) for the last 10 years or so.
Those french strips are sometimes reprinted in Holland. I think the strip
is not only _about_ babies, but also _meant_for_ babies.
> "Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best
> buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage)
If I remember well, the Belgian Marsupilami can't talk (only say "Hooba")...
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yes, I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> I'd also like to see Disney or even
> Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American
> population to peruse.
I think you can compare the original Marsupilami comics with the original
"Junglebook", "Winnie the Pooh" etc. I.e. they are quite different from what
Disney made of them; only the character(s) is(are) the same (like Per already
noted). Therefore, I don't expect Disney or Gladstone to reprint European
(B e l g i a n) Marsupilami.
> (...) the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French
> magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me)
It's "Le Journal de Mickey".
> where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there
> any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything
> about this?
Disney Babies have been a gag strip (one-page) for the last 10 years or so.
Those french strips are sometimes reprinted in Holland. I think the strip
is not only _about_ babies, but also _meant_for_ babies.
> "Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best
> buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage)
If I remember well, the Belgian Marsupilami can't talk (only say "Hooba")...
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yes, I've _heard_ of coral barques!"